It’s only hypocritical if we say it is.

From the saga of Notre Dame and Omar Hunter’s withdrawn verbal commitment:

… The loss of Hunter is no doubt a huge blow to Notre Dame’s and the whole saga which has been unraveling over the last couple weeks has tested Weis’s policy of “If they’re looking, we’re looking,” that he instituted last year after the defections of Justin Trattou, Greg Little, and Chris Little all in January. According to Jeff Carroll of the South Bend Tribune, citing two different sources including Tom Lemming, Notre Dame informed Hunter that his Notre Dame offer would be off the table if he visited elsewhere.

According to an Internet report earlier this week by Rivals.com’s Mike Farrell, the Notre Dame coaching staff had informed Hunter that if he chose to take other official visits like he was talking about, then the Notre Dame offer would be withdrawn.

“That’s a fact,” competing recruiting analyst Tom Lemming confirmed Tuesday from the U.S. Army All-American Bowl in San Antonio. “You can print that.”

Many will debate whether or not this was the best course of action over the month and it will be very interesting to see what Weis has to say on the matter at his Signing Day press conference next month.

Regardless, the only silver lining in this mess is that it happened in the beginning of the month and not the middle to end of January as last year’s defections did. The most likely replacement for Hunter in this class seems like it may be current Michigan commit Mike Martin according to NBCSports.com.

With committed nose tackle Omar Hunter now looking at Florida and USC, one name to keep in mind for the Irish is Novi (Mich.) Catholic Central’s Michael Martin. The 6-2, 290-pound Martin committed to Michigan but could be open to switching because of the coaching changes in Ann Arbor.

Martin is a four star DT from both Rivals and Scout and ranked as the #12 DT by both. ESPN has Martin as the #9 DT in the country. Look for Martin to visit Notre Dame sometime this month and decide whether or not he is sticking with Michigan or joining the Irish.

Martin would be much, much more than just a plan B type recruit should he land at Notre Dame . Martin likely would have been very heavily pursued by the Irish staff all along had Hunter not committed to the Irish so early which in essence ended Notre Dame’s recruiting at the position.

So to summarize:

  1. If you’re a recruit who’s committed to Notre Dame and you want to look around to make sure you’ve made the most informed decision about where to spend the next four years of your life, you’re dead to Charlie Weis.
  2. If you’re a recruit who’s committed to another school and you want to look around to make sure you’ve made the most informed decision about where to spend the next four years of your life and one of the places you want to explore is Notre Dame, Charlie Weis would be happy to talk with you.
  3. If you walk away from your verbal commitment to Notre Dame, you probably weren’t that great in the first place.
  4. If you walk away from your verbal commitment to another school to commit to Notre Dame, you’re an elite prospect.
  5. “That’s a fact.  You can print that.”?  Why don’t they just end this fiction, officially put Tom Lemming on the Notre Dame payroll and be done with it?  He’d be thrilled.
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20 responses to “It’s only hypocritical if we say it is.

  1. cajason80

    Has Lemming dropped Hunter from a 5-star prospect to a 2-star prospect now that he’s no longer committed to the greatest college football program of all time ever in the history of the ultraverse?

  2. Depends where he winds up. ;)

  3. Ally

    I’m no fan of Notre Dame, but I can understand their policy. It seems only fair to me.

    Charlie Weiss & Co. are not looking around for insurance until a kid pulls his “committment.”

    In other words he telling them if you commit, commit. If not, then neither are we. What’s so wrong about that? Why should schools sacrifice their need for a great recruiting class to the ever-changing whims of 18 yr old divas?

    I have absolutely no problem with a kid shopping around looking for his best fit all the way to signing day. I would encourage that in my own child. What disturbs me is that kids don’t understand the meaning of the word commit. Don’t give someone your word until you are absolutely sure. If you make a committment, stick to it. Maybe I’m just too old school.

  4. Tenn_Dawg

    Is Hunter looking at the real USC (Southern Cal) or South Carolina? Also there are rumors that he is now considering UGA. Do you know if this is true?

  5. kckd

    I think what the Senator’s saying is if your gonna take the committment thing as a moral stand and say you can’t be looking at others and claim being committed to the Irish, then how can the Irish turn around and ask kids who are already committed elsewhere to come check out Notre Dame. Do you honestly think their coaching staff takes a hands off approach to kids who are committed to other schools?

  6. Exactly, kckd. Here’s the key quote: “Martin likely would have been very heavily pursued by the Irish staff all along…” [Emphasis added.]

    Notre Dame’s stance on kids like Hunter is just a bunch of pious BS. And I’ll tell you one other thing about ND’s recruiting – they’ve clearly let their academic standards slide since Weis arrived. Which is the biggest reason they’ve gotten much better classes than Willingham brought in.

  7. Is Hunter looking at the real USC (Southern Cal) or South Carolina? Also there are rumors that he is now considering UGA. Do you know if this is true?

    If ND is too far away, I don’t get the rationale for him looking at Southern Cal.

    There are lots of rumors that Hunter has let the Georgia staff know he’s got some interest. I have no direct knowledge if these are true, but I’ve got to say that Richt’s recent warning to kids like Toby Jackson that are still taking their official visits makes me think that this rumor may have some legs.

    We’ll see. I think the Dawgs would have to be interested – Hunter’s got an explosive first step and looks like he could be a disruptive presence at DT.

  8. …Why should schools sacrifice their need for a great recruiting class to the ever-changing whims of 18 yr old divas?

    I have absolutely no problem with a kid shopping around looking for his best fit all the way to signing day. I would encourage that in my own child. What disturbs me is that kids don’t understand the meaning of the word commit. Don’t give someone your word until you are absolutely sure. If you make a committment, stick to it. Maybe I’m just too old school.

    I believe part of the problem here is because of the media spotlight of their on-field accomplishments, we tend to see this kids as being more mature than they really are. Were you really that certain about what you wanted to do with the next four years of your life when you were 17-18? And even if you were, were you right? Did you have any regrets? It’s a tough decision – especially when you have viable options.

    I have no doubt that some of these kids are prima donnas. But some of these kids, like A.J. Harmon, seem terribly conflicted to me and are just doing their best to sort the situation out. Don’t forget, also, the tremendous pressure some of these kids face from their communities about their decision as to where to play college ball.

  9. kckd

    And now, Toby Jackson says he’s finished with looking and is 100 percent Dawg. Funny how all this works.

  10. peacedog

    Rumors continue to circulate regarding Hunter visiting UGA this weekend.

  11. There’s also this recruiting note in the AJ-C this morning about another kid.

  12. LD

    “What disturbs me is that kids don’t understand the meaning of the word commit. Don’t give someone your word until you are absolutely sure. If you make a committment, stick to it. Maybe I’m just too old school.”

    The consideration left unstated is duress. What kind of pressure does Weis place on a recruit to make a commitment in the first place? Does he have the “offer is good for 24 hours then your scholarship is someone else’s” rule that he had a year ago?

    If Hunter was forced into committing, that changes the dynamic in my opinion.

  13. Ally

    Forced into commiting? Seriously? Unless Weiss is holding a 38 to their heads, I think that argument is laughable. These recruits aren’t as naive as some would love to believe.

    And Senator, I completely agree that the decision is difficult. I was a recruited swimmer for several colleges. Granted, the level of attention is NOWHERE near what these kids experience (not even in the same universe), but my parents made sure to counsel me to only give my word when I was sure. I knew that when I made a choice & accepted a scholarship, I was taking a spot that someone else would want & need. I took that responsibility seriously.

    That’s all I’m saying – I don’t think 18 is too young to learn & respect the meaning of a commitment. UGA honors their commitments to those they offer and I think the recruits should as well – or don’t commit so early. Sorry, but I think its relatively simple. Just don’t commit if you’re not sure. Maybe a better solution is to either have an early signing day or forgo verbal committments all together.

    Again, maybe I’m just old school. I still believe “your word is your bond.”

  14. Ally

    from today’s ABH:

    “We’re true to our word to these guys and we want them to be that to us,” Richt said. “I’m not going to sit here and say that if you do this, we’ll do that, but if they do that they do take a risk.”

    I couldn’t agree more.

  15. Ole Dokes

    Big O visits Florida this weekend & makes his last official visit to Athens next weekend. Coach Searles is hard after him. Don’t be surprised if this kid signs with us. Best part is Omar’s character is absolutely stellar!

  16. LD

    “Sorry, but I think its relatively simple. Just don’t commit if you’re not sure.”

    And if you’re not sure, you lose the opportunity to go to that school? If a kid is 90% sure he wants to go to a school, and Charlie Weis says “now or never”, what’s the kid to do?

    That’s duress.

    In this story (and a dozen stories last year or the previous), it’s clear that Weis wants to have all the control in the process. He most certainly does make kids decide sooner than they’d want.

    Richt, from what I’ve understood, has never given a “now or never” ultimatum. UGA isn’t the issue here. ND is. It’s one thing to be upfront with kids and say “we could run out of scholarships”, but it’s another to require an immediate commitment or else the offer is rescinded.

  17. What do you want to bet that if a recruit changed his mind a second time and decided to honor his original commitment to ND, Weis would take him back if he had an open slot…

  18. kckd

    Weis views the committment like a draft pick and signing day as working out the contract. He’s never left the NFL mind set behind.

    I told my ND friend here, who doesn’t see what’s so bad about this, that Charlie and ND are just like all the rest of us, this happens to everyone. It’s part of the game of recruiting.

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  20. Joe

    Uhh, as to letting their standards slide, Notre Dame graduates almost all of their football players, and under Weis, the team’s GPA has improved. This happens at a place that requires the players to graduate in four years, and has no Intro to Basket Weaving classes. Now, are you going to say Notre Dame has convinced all the instructors to bump the players grades under Weis? Get your facts straight before making ignorant comments.