But this time he really means it.

Besides, you’d leave Bowling Green at the first drop of a hat, too, wouldn’t you?

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20 responses to “But this time he really means it.

  1. The Realist

    I have no problem with a denial. If someone asked me if I was staying at my job where my boss could hear, I would certainly say that I planned to stay until retirement… regardless of whether or not I was currently looking.

    I just think it is delusional to wholeheartedly believe that a traveling salesman coach who has made it known that a college other than his current employer is his “dream job” will stay at said current employer forever and ever. Sort of how football began around 1990. Delusions all around.

  2. RedCrake

    On top of which, Meyer has moved around a great deal (both as a head coach and an assistant):

    3 HC Jobs In 8 Years
    4 Assistant Jobs In 15 Years

    Now this is not to bash on ol’ Urban, cause lord knows I’ll get around to doing that for other reasons, as most coaches do so as they work their way up.

    My point would be that history and stability due have some bearing on the believability of statements like this regardless of Corch Meyers’ intentions.

    There was recently a comment about trusting Richt on the same issue.

    He held 2 Assistant positions in a 15 year period
    and 1 HC position over a 9 year period.

    While Meyer may not be moving or planning to move, the fact that he has moved on average every 3.3 years while Richt has moved on average every 8 years demonstrates that he has more capacity and willingness to do so.

    Plus, though it sickens me to the core, for obvious reasons, he is going to be more in demand.

    • The Realist

      Ack! Richt has been at Georgia for eight full seasons and is starting his ninth. If he moves every eight years, then he is overdue for another move! He must be going back to Florida State or Miami… whichever job opens first.

      (tongue in cheek, for those that don’t get such things)

  3. On the Bright Side

    When your first head coaching gig is at Uga, you’re less likely to move that a guy who starts out at Bowling Green and then Utah. That should be pretty obvious.

    • RedCrake

      It is obvious. I agree that most guys have to move up and said as much. My point is threefold:

      1) Urban has demonstrated that he is willing to move on to other jobs when he views it as a step up.

      2) Urban has been willing to tell his previous schools and fan bases that he has know interest in leaving.

      3) Urban has repeatedly stated in the past that Notre Dame is his dream job and, as such, he views it as a step up.

      That seems like pretty good reason for some to be skeptical about his most recent comments.

      To my knowledge, Richt never told FSU that he wasn’t interested in leaving. He also never told East Carolina that he didn’t intend to leave for FSU.

      Hence, on this issue, Richt is viewed by many in the Georgia fanbase as more trustworthy.

  4. Dog in Fla

    Studies in Disinformation – Thus Quoth Urban:

    “This is a long term process (building a football program). I always say there are only about eight or 10 really good football programs where year in and year out they win.”
    Source: Urban Meyer Press Conference, November 13, 2002

    “We are nowhere near what we can do here. That’s what’s driving me right now. Everybody’s worried about those other places; nothing’s going on.”
    Source: Bowling Green Sentinel, December 6, 2002

    “I was contacted by one, but I’m not interested. I love it here. We have a lot of work to do. That’s the bottom line.”
    Source: Bowling Green Sentinel, December 6, 2002

    “With recruits, that’s been for two years, even before we won. [They say,] ‘that guy’s not going to be there very long'; that’s silly … The future is fantastic here … I’m proud to be the football coach here. Once they get to know me, know my family, know how important it is to have continuity, my kids going to school somewhere.”
    Source: Bowling Green Sentinel, December 6, 2002

    “I think you all but guarantee that you are one of the top two, three teams in the league every year if you get that [new athletic facility] here. I feel so strong about the academics, about the community, the environment, about the people. It’s the last piece; it’s a significant piece.”
    Source: Bowling Green Sentinel, December 6, 2002

    “In the words of any Bowling Green football player today: ‘I thought we were your family.’ Bowling Green’s players are understandably angry at Meyer for leaving. Every day he would preach team loyalty. Meyer carried his we-are-family concept to the extreme, even bunking in the same dorm with the Falcons during preseason workouts.”
    Source: Toledo Blade, December 13, 2002

    “Notre Dame is my dream job.”
    Source: Memory, January 1, 2003

    “It [leaving Bowling Green] was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done. It was devastating. I didn’t realize — and maybe I wasn’t thinking clearly — but I thought it was going to be one of those things where you shake hands, give a big hug and say ‘good luck.'”
    Source: Deseret News, October 5, 2004

    “First of all, I love it here. But I’m second fiddle. My family is No. 1, and they love it here. As long as we’re filling the stadium, as long as we’re continuing to grow as a program and as long as I feel these student-athletes are getting the best opportunity to be a top 25 program — which I think it is — I’m going to be the coach here.”
    Source: Deseret News, October 30, 2004

    “I plan on coaching here for a long time.”
    Source: Deseret News, November 15, 2004

    “Meyer told the New York Times last week, ‘I’m chicken. It would be excruciating to leave. When I left Bowling Green, it was the worst three months.'”
    Source: Deseret News, November 17, 2004

    “Wrote Mike Sorenson, ‘It’s been well-documented that Meyer’s wife, Shelley, was a big factor in Meyer taking the Utah job. She wanted to move back to the West because she enjoyed the family’s time in Colorado when he was an assistant at Colorado State. Shelley and the kids seem to love the outdoor lifestyle, and she has told friends and neighbors that they aren’t going anywhere.'”
    Source: Deseret News, November 17, 2004

    “Mike Sorenson wrote, ‘Some folks may question his loyalty because he left Bowling Green after just two years. But Meyer has said, the six months after that was one of the hardest times of his life, because he felt so bad for leaving. Does he really want to go through that again just two years later?’ [um, yes.]”
    Source: Deseret News, November 17, 2004

    “I plan on coaching at Utah next year. There’s been no contact made. Period. It’s almost comical. We’re playing the biggest game in the history of the school and we’re talking about that. That’s nothing to do with nothing. [Shelley Meyer served her employer 2-weeks notice the next day.]”
    Source: Deseret News, November 17, 2004

    “Wrote Antony A Engligh, “Shelley will be heavily involved in Meyer’s next move. ‘She’s a coach’s wife, that’s what she does for a living,’ Bud Meyer said. ‘It’s a big job. It’s a job that she (wants) to be informed, but she does a very good job.'””
    Source: St. Petersburg Times, November 17, 2004

    “There’s been no contact and I really don’t anticipate any. I’m certainly not looking for a job. I love where I’m coaching.”
    Source: Deseret News, November 18, 2004

    “When asked by a young boy if he was going to be the coach next year, Urban replied very directly, ‘I plan on being the coach at the University of Utah next year.'”
    Source: Urban Meyer Coach’s Show, November 18, 2004

    “As long as I’m married, I’ll be the coach at Utah. [exact date unknown, source is a local sports show]”
    Source: Memory, November 20, 2004

    “Though Meyer is frequently mentioned as a candidate for more lucurative coaching jobs, he denies any contact has been made. ‘I’m not out looking, so if someone’s waiting for me to pick up the phone it’s not going to happen,’ said Meyer. And there’s little chance of that over the next four days. Meyer plans to turn his telephone off over the holiday break while he spends lost time with his family. He isn’t expecting a lot of calls, anyhow. Word is out that he loves Utah, Meyer explained, and schools are funny about that. Despite speculation to the contrary, including a Florida fan-based Web site that reported a deal with Meyer has already been reached, the coach insists he represents himself. And that no talks have taken place. ‘I don’t have an agent. People are trying to get me to have one, but I’m just not comfortable with that kind of stuff,’ said Meyer. ‘I’m coaching my team and taking care of my family.'”
    Source: Deseret News, November 24, 2004

    “[When asked about Florida:] No. I have no real comment. All I keep saying is I plan on being the coach here at Utah.”
    Source: Deseret News, November 30, 2004

    ” It’s not about prestige and it’s certainly not about money. In today’s climate, you don’t have time to build a program. Too many coaches are let go before they can build a program.”
    Source: Deseret News, December 2, 2004

    “I’m going to a place where I think we can really win, because no good can come of losing. Losing is never good.”
    Source: Deseret News, December 2, 2004

    “I’m the head coach at Utah. If for some reason I’m not, I still anticipate coaching in the bowl game.”
    Source: Deseret News, December 3, 2004

    “This was a family decision. University of Florida has been in the mix since the day, uh [pause] after our rival game. … There was no intention to hurt a great university [Notre Dame], including this university [Utah the afterthought].”
    Source: ESPN SportsCenter, December 4, 2004

    “Recruiting at Utah doesn’t start ’till January. That’s when these kids that wanted to go to USC and UCLA find out they won’t be and then the Utes get them.”
    Source: Press Conference, December 4, 2004

    “I didn’t want to put Utah into disarray. I had to do this now to protect Utah.”
    Source: KUTV News, December 4, 2004

    “I am certainly excited about the opportunity to be the head coach at the University of Florida. There were a lot of factors that went into this decision that our entire family had to consider. The opportunity to compete at the highest level at one of the nation’s most-respected academic institutions is something that was attractive for us.”
    Source: GatorZone.com, December 4, 2004

    “The quality of recruits within the state of Florida and the Southeast Region offers a tremendous recruiting base for us.”
    Source: GatorZone.com, December 4, 2004

    “There’s no such thing as luck, there’s a big word called investment. If there was luck, why work as hard as we do. I’ve never been involved in a game where the most invested team lost.”
    Source: GatorZone.com, December 4, 2004

    “[Referring to Florida:] This is a place you can put your feet down hopefully for a long time.”
    Source: ESPN, December 7, 2004

    “I have no aspirations to coach in the NFL None whatsoever. It’s all about the pageantry and tradition of college football, which in my opinion is second to none.”
    Source: ESPN, December 7, 2004

    “This is a place you can put your feet down for a long time. It’s over [moving every 2 years]. I’m not doing this again.”
    Source: GatorSports.com, December 8, 2004

    “If he goes to the NFL, you can call me a liar,” his wife, Shelley, said. “That’s not happening.”
    Source: GatorSports.com, December 8, 2004

    “In the words of any Bowling Green football player today: ‘I thought we were your family.’ Bowling Green’s players are understandably angry at Meyer for leaving. Every day he would preach team loyalty. Meyer carried his we-are-family concept to the extreme, even bunking in the same dorm with the Falcons during preseason workouts.”
    Source: Toledo Blade, December 13, 2004

    “I’m not going to Notre Dame. Ever.”
    Source: Pat Dooley, It’s Always Sunny in Gainesville, July 13, 2009

  5. On the Bright Side

    i think the most interesting part of this whole exercise is getting to watch fans of other schools pin all their hopes on this materializing. the day spurrier resigned was as much a reflection of uga’s resignation to never doing anything while he was there as anything else. i guess that’s why that seems awfully familiar.

    • Let me get this straight: Spurrier resigned his position at Florida in part because he got tired of beating Georgia.

      I guess that explains why he wound up in Columbia.

    • RedCrake

      It’s not so much that I hope he leaves from a UGA winning perspective…it’s that I love the taste of Gator tears.

      They are just so sweet and delicious. And with the opportunity for Tebow tears gone after this year, this seems like the most likely future source.

    • Dog in Fla

      To me the most interesting part of this exercise is that no one really has any way of knowing whether what a coach says about his career opportunities is true or not.

      Richt has said he’s going nowhere but why would any Georgia fan be shocked if he did?

      I hope Urban stays a long time after Tebow leaves. I want to watch his expression on the sidelines in Jacksonville as we even things out. I think Urban’s record post-Tebow is going to be much along the lines that Vince Dooley’s was after Dooley being 33-3 (.916) with Herschel and 50-18 (.753) post-Herschel.

      In fact, I think that the only place in college that could tempt Urban would be USC if Pete Carroll had a moment of insanity and was lured back to the NFL. South Bend is too grey and cold.

  6. On the Bright Side

    To clarify, the celebratory mood in Athens at the time Spurrier resigned said a lot about the relative status of the two programs. This seems to be a case of history repeating itself. I mean, Senator, the sheer volume of your Meyer to ND posts together with the thinly veiled/overt attempts to discredit or otherwise spin his comments give a pretty nice peek under the hood as to the collective mindset of the uga fanbase. Even ND websites seem to have moved on, with a plurality if not majority of fans backing Gruden if the job is available.

    • Sheer volume? Dude, it was two posts.

      And my point – again – isn’t to discredit Meyer (hell, there won’t be an opening at ND unless the Irish win less than nine games this year, and I don’t see that happening with that schedule), but to remind Gator fans that nothing a successful head coach says is written in stone.

  7. On the Bright Side

    Comeon man, three Meyer posts since he made his comments, which has been about two days. Not to mention the other posts anytime a new iteration of this story pops up. And again, I don’t think anyone would deny your point that coaches can’t be taken at face value, even despite numerous examples of coaches actually following through on such vows. I’m just saying that all the signs which are used to explain why Richt would never move appear similar to the ones which would give credence to his statement (ie, he passed up the job already, has a job which allows him advantages that ND cannot match, the ND job isn’t likely to be open, and the possibility that ND wouldn’t even look his way first if it were).

    • X-Dawg

      Dude,
      YOUR obsession with this topic is awesome! God Bless the Senator for getting fans outside of UGA to contribute to a discussion on a UGA blog.

      Thanks again for your input!

    • JasonC

      What do you expect? Kiffin hasn’t done anything in at least 36 hours.

      Senator, I joke, because I love.

  8. 69Dawg

    Why short of 10 million dollars would a coach leave UF and go to ND. Why would ND be a dream job. They have academics, a no thug policy etc. CUM is not bothered by any of that at UF. He has the only in-state programs that used to go head to head with UF on the rocks. If he left UF they should certify him crazy.

    • Dawg93

      I could see him leaving, absolutely. Think about it – he’s stated it’s his “dream” job, so we know he has a piece of his heart in South Bend. And he’s won 2 nat’l titles in 4 years at UF – he’s already accomplished so much at UF and may add to the trophy case this year that sticking around G’ville may seem a bit boring. He’s still young in coaching terms, so energy/enthusiasm wouldn’t be an issue for him if he moved on to a new gig.

      And what better challenge is there (besides the NFL) than Notre Dame? I mean, for as much as we all mostly despise the place, they have their own friggin’ TV contract and are arguably the most tradition-laden college FB program in the country. Think about where Meyer would rank in the history of coaching legends if he were to return ND to glory.

      You make a good point about the differences between UF and ND, but if you’re a super-competitive guy like Meyer, wouldn’t you view those differences as challenges as opposed to obstacles?

      Who knows, he may retire at Florida. But I get this nagging feeling that he would bolt if he felt he couldn’t accomplish anything more at UF and truly wanted to try a new and very different challenge. Especially a challenge that he has an emotional attachment to.