If you’re an Ohio State fan, it’s not so much that you’re learning anything new, it’s just that the steady drip of information will drive you mad.
Filed under Big Ten Football, The NCAA
Tagged as Tatgate
And yet, since the NCAA allegation’s don’t accuse Ohio State of a lack of institutional control or a failure to monitor, the program will be intact when this is said and done; it looks like the damage will be mostly to Tressel. Also, due to the timing of the first revelations about the tattoos, the Sugar Bowl win won’t get vacated, so the SEC bowl losing streak is over. I don’t actually feel too bad today.
That’s some SEC-quality rationalizing, my friend. Here, take my hand, I don’t want you to stumble as you climb down from your Big Ten high horse.
I’ve been told Ohio State is an honorary SEC team before, and yeah, pretty much. I’m amused by the idea that I’m riding a high horse, but so it goes. I’m just relieved that Tressel is getting the brunt of it and the compliance department is doing its job. Beyond that, I have to shrug and accept whatever else comes.
Yes, because Ohio State doesn’t cheat. Only their coaches.
How do you figure that the compliance department is doing its job? Considering that Ohio State players and the head coach were clearly not in compliance, wouldn’t that sort of thing blow back on the people in charge of… you know… compliance?
You could argue that the compliance department didn’t promote an atmosphere of compliance, I suppose, but this isn’t a case where the people involved can claim ignorance of the rules. It educated everybody properly, discovered the violations despite Tressel covering up his email evidence, launched the investigation and completed it thoroughly enough that there hasn’t been any revelation that wasn’t in its report, and that the NCAA’s report matches it.
I want avoid being defensive, but the compliance department has done pretty much everything it is supposed to do.
Please pardon my syntax in the previous comment.
I seem to remember a passionate mea copa for not having taught the boys right from wrong when the Tatgate thing broke. If the NCAA does not vacate the 2010 season they owe Bobby Bowden a damn apology cause those guys were ineligible to play whether the compliance department knew it or not. The fact that the NCAA signed off on the Sugar Bowl and the 5 game suspension when they were lied to should just serve to piss them off.
@mikesanders… I’ve been a buckeye fan, as my middle-american school, since 1968! my practice jersey in h/s was a #JIMOTIS replica! #1, i am #UGA , #2 i am #THEOHIOSTATEUNIVERSITY ! this whole story-line saddens me greatly! as an #UGAFAN, i can honestly say that i wish we could reach the level of the buckeyes… but not at the price of this type of scandal!
And yet, since the NCAA allegation’s don’t accuse Ohio State of a lack of institutional control or a failure to monitor…
I read that and did a double-take. Didn’t USC just get hammered for lack of institutional control in a situation where the coaches were the ones that knew or should have known about Reggie Bush transgressions and didn’t report it to the compliance department or the AD? Isn’t that exactly what Tressel did? Am I missing something here? Consistency, thy name is not NCAA…
The sad thing is Ohio State will get off and then USC will appeal and get off. In this case, two wrongs do in fact make a right.
You don’t feel too badly that the head coach of your institution of choice blatently lied to NCAA investigators? Really? I would be ashamed. I would also be worried about what else has happened under that coach’s watch that may not have reflected quite so well on the institutional control.
But even if you were speaking about the competitive impact, I guess you’re more confident in OSU’s ability to find another Tressel than another John Cooper. Clearly OSU’s got so many built in advantages that they’re never going to be bad, but history has shown it’s not your God given right to win the Big 10/11/12 every year.
This just in:
“Tressel accused of dishonesty for hiding violations ”
Way to go out on a limb there fella.
“Ohio State officials declined immediate comment on the NCAA notice.”
They are withholding comment until they’ve had a chance to study up on the Florida Way to determine how to handle the worst case scenario punishment from the NCAA: a six game suspension for Jim.
I really think this is the OSU football team’s best chance at beating the SEC in something. Tressel has to be stoked.
The O-Lie-O State University.
If one of two things doesn’t happen: Jim Tressel gets fired or The Ohio State University gets the death penalty, then the NCAA becomes totally irrelevant and completely loses control of D1 football. Not that they have too firm a grip at this point anyway. Rarely has such an egregious violation been treated in such a cavalier manner. Except of course, at SMU. OSU believes they are “too big to fail” or in this case “too big to punish” and is simply daring the NCAA to do something. If they don’t, the major conferences will eventually come up with their own organization and bid the NCAA goodbye. And they should.
After everything that’s happened over the past couple of years and all the different scandals, this is your turning point for the NCAA? If the Ohio State case really is it for you (that’s fine by me: there’s little logic here), the turning point should have been when the NCAA decided to let everybody play in the Sugar Bowl. In the future, August 12th is when we’ll find out what the NCAA does.
Oddly enough, I’m actually completely with you on this point. This isn’t what’s going to cause my break with the NCAA, that came back in the Cam scandal, and the OSU thing just hasn’t helped matters much. Besides, even with Maurice Clarett and then this debacle, I don’t think the death penalty is justified… certainly not if USC didn’t get it.
Yes, I think it’s BECAUSE of everything else that’s happened over the past couple of years that this becomes the tipping point. I know that nobody, especially not OSU, is getting the death penalty. But they deserve something close. I agree that the the NCAA allowing everybody to play SHOULD have been the issue. But that’s part of what makes the OSU case unique. Not only did the head coach know, not report and knowingly and intentionally lie to gain competitive advantage, he also made the NCAA look like the incompetent fools that they are in the process. With the Sugar Bowl ruling the NCAA became complicit in his lie. As such, if they don’t come down especially hard then they are publicly admitting, “we’re a bunch of incompetent idiots who don’t have a clue. But hey, as long as people watch and the money is rolling in, who cares?” As it is, after the Newton case pretty much everybody is out there shopping their kid and making sure that “he doesn’t know.” Given the NCAA’s stance why wouldn’t they? If Tressel gets away with this coaches will act with impunity and simply not say anything in order to “protect confidentiality.” We are already on the cusp of absolutely no rules and no compliance as it is. If Tressel and OSU get away with this what purpose does the NCAA even serve?
If Tressel and OSU get away with this what purpose does the NCAA even serve?
Clearly more evidence that the NCAA is exactly who should be in charge of a football post-season tournament.
The NCAA is good at making money via playoffs. Even better than the bowls, and even better than the BCS.
To address paul: the only thing that happened today is that you and I became aware of what the NCAA is alleging Ohio State to have done. Because Ohio State self-reported and because the compliance department has been active, the NCAA will focus on Tressel instead of the university. (If you really want to see OSU get serious sanctions, there’s an outside chance b/c of possible repeat offender status) The message this sends, if Tressel gets a show-cause order and OSU vacates 2010 regular season wins and OSU goes on probation, is “if your coach lies to you and the NCAA and you do your best to report it, you’ll have moderate sanctions but the coach will get the worst of it.” That would be a reasonable outcome, IMO.
Why do you believe the NCAA is better than the bowls and BCS at making money off of the post season? If the NCAA had a better revenue model don’t you think the decision makers in college football would adopt that model? I find it hard to believe that the BCS powers are fighting to keep a system that makes them less money.
He chose his words carefully. Notice that he doesn’t say anything about regular season football money, which is where the bulk of college $$$ come from.
I wasn’t being deceptive, but if you me to be blunter I will be. The additional revenue from a playoff more than offsets the lost revenue from the regular season, if the regular season actually does lose revenue. The NCAA is good at running playoffs, and they’re good at making money through those playoffs.
I didn’t think you were being deceptive, simply accurate. The NCAA has no involvement with regular season revenues.
Sorry. I totally misread that.
Generally speaking, I agree. However, there are some extenuating factors here. The school, once it became aware, levied a ridiculously lenient pentlty on the coach that even he asked to have increased. The school has also admitted the fine they imposed won’t pay for the cost of the investigation. Then you have the president of the university openly admitting that the coach is the most powerful person on campus (I just hope he doesn’t fire ME!). If I were a memeber of the faculty I’d be pushing for a vote of no confidence but that’s a different discussion. OSU is essentially taking the Auburn approach of “all in” and waiting to see how the NCAA reacts before they actually do anything. This shows a serious lack of respect for the organization as well as the process. Under current conditions I don’t blame them, I’d do the same. The NCAA has done nothing in recent years to make anyone believe they are serious about enforcement. My belief is that the NCAA must take a stand here or simply crumble into total irrelevance. As dumb and incompetent as they are I’m guessing they’re at least smart enough to recognize this. But maybe not. OSU and Auburn certainly don’t seem to think so. However, if the NCAA is ever going to wake up and take a shot across the bow to let everyone know they’re serious, this seems to be their last best chance. My only regret is that Michael Adams didn’t get the job. This would be highly entertaining if he were responsible for this trainwreck.
Mike-Gotta hand it to you for taking it straight up-A lot of fans of other schools would not keep their replys as intelligent as you have-Kudos for handling yourself like a gentleman
Coming soon to a closed-door infractions panel hearing not near you on August 12, 2011, “The NCAA: Hunting the Edge of Space: The Ever Expanding Universe” in which the NCAA once again does not reveal the mysterious forces shaping the cosmos of compliance
Wow! No one has read any further! My Graille was that Tressel had been complicit in planning and using the coverup to let the players finish the season and play in the Sugar Bowl. All that planning and keeping mouths closed was a larger offense than just a few e-mails to other than the correct authorities at OSU (now designated JTU). In doing so he played players who were ineligible (think AJ Green) and risked forfeiture of games and the Sugar Bowl. I howled against that travesty as the greatest adjunct to this whole miserable mess.
Well, Lord, Howdy. The NCAA agreed! The statement taken from their missile said in part: ” permitted student-athletes to participate in intercollegiate athletics while ineligible”. And that calls for forfeiture of games. I am now content to wait for Aug. to hear the news.
Wonder if the school that should have been Arkansas’s opponent can sue them for monies that should have been theirs? And it also means that the Bowl game should be forfeited , to wit; Ohio State still hasn’t beaten an SEC legitimately and Tressel can now go down with that ignominious honor. Stuff that Delany!
How about, “Stuff That!, Delany.” ?
I like both versions.
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