When you put it like that, it’s hard not to love you.

As most of you have no doubt surmised, I’m skeptical that the SEC presidents will do much of substance next week about oversigning, but when I read a quote like this, I wish they would surprise me.

“Where we get involved in roster management is looking out for the best interest of the student-athlete,” SEC associate commissioner Charles Bloom said. “There are cases we have heard in the past that make an argument for oversigning. Things happen during the summer prior to practice, or a student-athlete will leave on his own volition, and that will create a gap in the numbers. Oversigning, in that regard, takes care of that.

What we don’t want to have happen is a student-athlete be displaced against his own choice after signing his letter of intent. [Emphasis added.] There are different issues involved, and the conference has looked at this pretty in depth.”

Because that pretty much nails the oversigning fault line.  And it can’t be that impossible to come up with some guidelines which respect both sides of that.

But, then again, maybe it can.

… But as Farrell — who is against over-signing — pointed out: “In the SEC, the right way is winning.”

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19 responses to “When you put it like that, it’s hard not to love you.

  1. ChicagoDawg

    Would love to be wrong, but I am beyond cynical when it comes to these cats doing the right thing. My sense is they will inact some trivial change and spin it as though they have done something groundbreaking and profound (Tony B. – aka ‘Mr. Conventional Wisdom’, aka ‘Mike Slive’s Useful Idiot’ will be leading the spin) . It will be something that may have an appearance of being meaningful, but will have a purposeful loophole big enough to drive a crimson colored truck through.

    • Texas_Dawg

      Maybe so.

      If so, Georgia needs to be doing all it can to stay as tight as possible with Florida to be best positioned for the next round of Big 10 Network footprint increasing.

      These pathetic SEC West institutions are becoming a serious handicap to the academic reputation and brand of the University of Georgia. Florida and Georgia need to be following Texas’s and A&M’s lead. Quit treating these schools as equals and friends. They aren’t. They are much poorer, much weaker universities in much poorer, much more slowly-growing states. The gap between us and them will only continue to grow exponentially.

      Georgia needs to be preparing itself to ditch these losers as soon as possible.

      • Zdawg

        Damn Texas Dawg, tell us whats really on your mind…

      • I’d just like to observe that you want to ditch “poor, much more slowly-growing states” for a conference with schools located in Ohio and Michigan. Have you been to Lansing or Akron lately?

        • ChicagoDawg

          Not to get into a whole thing here, but SC is #47 out of 50 states in per capita GDP. Alabama is #45, Arkansas is #44 and Mississippi is #50. I am not sure if those stats have anything to do with oversigning, but most of the offenders are in states that are systemically poorer and less educated, when compared statistically to the rest of the country (even including the ‘rust belt’). BTW, I am from GA origionally and I am not advocating UGA and FLA switching to the Big10. However, I think the point being made by Texas_Dawg was that UGA & FLA are peers in more ways than just choosing not engage in oversigning.

          • Peers in the sense that Florida is 40th in those rankings and Michigan is 42nd?

            • ChicagoDawg

              Do you really want to debate academics of the Big10 schools (or the state public schools) vs the over signing cohort (Ala, Ark, Miss, SC)? UGA and UF are in a different tier in both academics of the University and the wealth of the States they reside. By the way, FLA per capita GDP is no doubt drug down by the huge retirement population they possess. Their economy is larger than AR, AL, MS, and SC — combined. Lastly, the population sizes (TV markets) of GA and FL are also outliers/differentiators as compared to the others. Again, more comparable to the Big10 peer group.

              • No, I don’t really want to debate this issue. I just want to screw with you guys a bit, as I find this conversation thoroughly amusing.

              • Stoopnagle

                I see what you did there:

                “drug down”

                Very nice.

                • Yeah, you’re probably right. I feel kind of stupid about this now. Sorry, guys.

                  Let me just leave it at this: I think the chances of UGA and UF joining the B10, regardless of perceptions of their similarity to the B10 member institutions, are practically nil.

      • Mayor of Dawgtown

        If something like what you are suggesting were to happen I would rather that UGA and FLA take the SEC schools that are not cheaters and form a new conference along with some other schools of like mind. I would imagine that by now the UNCs and Wakes of the ACC are getting a little sick of being in the same conference with the Miamis and FSUs of the world. The 4 North Carolina schools would all want to stick together for basketball reasons and they are more like UGA and Florida than FSU, Miami and Va Tech anyway, so get the four of them plus UGA, FLA, UK and Vandy together. That deal would appeal to Vandy for academic reasons, as well as basketball. UK would be happy about the basketball, too. I don’t really think UGA and FLA just leaving for the Big 10 is viable.

      • Dave

        Just a laughable notion. Michigan’s running the highest unemployment in the country, and it’s football program has a multi-year APR of 928. Alabama’s recruiting academic kids nationally into an honors college by paying them almost $4,000 a year above their total cost, plus a semester abroad. My niece just graduated from there. She’s taking two years to do Teach for America, and then she’s off to Duke or UAB for med school. She could have gone to Stanford — and graduated with massive debt.

        You’re living in the past, TD.

        • Stoopnagle

          Dave, do you know why Bama is recruiting out-of-state (particularly Georgia) so hard?

          It’s precisely because UA can’t raise its profile by sticking to in-state students. There aren’t enough good ones to go around, while Georgia is busting at the seams with college-ready students. They (and Carolina del Sud) are throwing money at students from certain well-positioned schools to build pipelines. Basically, they want your niece to go back home to her hometown (quite likely in Cobb or Gwinnett) to tell her pals about her great experience in T-town so that her younger friends (and HS counselors) will funnel more students to them (for less money in the future).

          Given the changes to HOPE, this is a pretty good strategy.

          • Dave

            True. Also, 32’s on the ACT occur at a fairly predictable statistical rate. If you want more than your state’s fair share, given your state’s population base, you have to go get them.

            They recruited her hoping that she would stay in state after she graduated. And given that she’s leaning towards UAB, they’re off to a good start with her.

            Look at the political fights, budget woes, and unemployment rates in Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota…. That area’s suffering something of an identity crisis at the moment. It’ll be interesting to see in which direction they head and what that means to their flagship universities in the long term.

  2. Wonderful Ohio on the Gulf 'Dog

    If a player leaves a team for another FBS team, the player has to sit out for a year.

    Why shouldn’t, then, when a team cuts a player that the team loses the scholarship slot for a year?

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Unless, of course, winning games is more important to the NCAA than student-athelete welfare.

    • Scott W.

      That is a creative solution but it will never happen. We all know that this grandstanding is just to placate the teams trying to honor their commitments to their student athletes while coming up with new rules that can be circumvented. Much like officiating can become “officiating”.

  3. Mike

    If a scholarship is not offered to a player each year, then the least that could be done is to allow the guy to transfer without sitting out a year.

    • Normaltown Mike

      As long as Lane Kiffin is employed in college athletics, I think all coaches will be opposed to such a rule.

      • Mayor of Dawgtown

        Why? The original coach has given up on the player. That is why he took the player’s scholarship away. Sure, Kiffin is a slimeball but so what? The former coach has released the player, not the other way around. I don’t see how a Kiffin can abuse that. Kiffin can’t recruit guys until they are released and then how can the former coach who cut the kid gripe about it?