NCAA to Chizik: it’s not over until we say it’s over.

It’s hard to say whether this exchange was born from innocence or arrogance, but it probably wasn’t the brightest move on the part of the Auburn head coach:

… Julie Roe Lach, the N.C.A.A.’s vice president for enforcement, made a presentation to the group, which included every men’s basketball coach, football coach and athletic director in the conference. When she opened up the room for discussion, Auburn’s football coach, Gene Chizik, raised his hand first.

He peppered Roe Lach with a flurry of questions about the N.C.A.A.’s investigation into Cam Newton and why the N.C.A.A. had not publicly announced that the investigation was over. Chizik complained that the inquiry’s open-ended nature had hurt Auburn’s recruiting and he followed up at least three times, leading to a testy exchange.

“You’ll know when we’re finished,” Roe Lach told Chizik, according to several coaches who were at the meeting. “And we’re not finished.”

As amazed as I am that Chizik would try to show her up in front of other coaches like that, you know what really amazes me?  How a story like that – again, in front of witnesses – doesn’t get reported until a month later by the New York Times.  What were all the southern fried reporters doing then, getting suntans?  Or, worse, did some of them sit on this?

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39 responses to “NCAA to Chizik: it’s not over until we say it’s over.

  1. Hogbody Spradlin

    Negative recruiting, tsk, tsk, tsk.

    I’m as surprised as you that we’re just now hearing about this. Plenty of local reporters would have been happy to bring Auburn down a notch or two.

  2. That sat on, covered up, an offered to pay the coach’s greens fees!!! #WhistleSniffers

  3. Chadwick

    I don’t wish ill will on folks, but Chizik and the Auburn administration are begging for a full blown flogging from the NCAA. Too many of the reporters chum up to the Birmingham offices and the schools. They’re part of the problem for they see themselves as part of the “media package” and don’t do investigative reporting. That might screw up their meal ticket, a la Tony Barnhart. If Tony put the screws to the Jimmy Swaggart inspired “Chiz”, Tony may not get the “head ball coach” on his radio show. Pussies.

  4. BeerMoney

    Well, it’s only a matter of time until Ward Eagle shows up to tell us all how the Senator posting this just shows UGA’s jealousy of Auburn and only further demonstrates AU’s death-lock grip they possess over the entire sports universe. We should all aspire to be such upstanding, clean, character-based scholars like the Auburn Tigers.

  5. 69Dawg

    Ward Eagle in 3…2…1.

  6. 81Dog

    Ward’s busy figuring how he can work “butthurt” and “NCAA” into one sentence.

  7. Marmot

    Not Ward, but I’ll speak for Auburn fans. This is a very weird story for those of us who listen to Chiz quotes on a regular basis. He has never to my memory made a careless statement, to the frustration of fans who want to know something about the football team. To press this NCAA suit in front of other coaches is beyond risky and has totally backfired. It’s like he lost his mind. Does the NCAA even declare investigations over if there are no penalties? And why do it in front of other coaches unless you were sure you were going to get a favorable answer? Maybe he was sure, but the risk wasn’t worth it as we are now seeing.

    However, since that time Auburn’s compliance guy has started talking about the Cam investigation, something he couldn’t do if it was on-going, or so they say. While news stories like the NYT article don’t do Auburn any favors, there will not be any penalties for Auburn’s recruitment of Cam. It’s over and has been over since before Cam ever played his first game. Auburn’s compliance knew all the facts and vetted Cam before the season (and Auburn’s compliance is very good). Everything since then has been Public Relations and “checking the boxes”, including declaring him ineligible and the NCAA reinstating him within 24 hours.

    • The other Doug

      The NCAA is waiting to see what they get from the Feds in the Bingogate trial.

    • The Original Cynical in Athens

      Troy Reddick told me that Auburn’s compliance was AUsome. Again, yes, we know it is painful to be the little brother in your home state, and to also be the school where kids from Georgia go when they cannot get into UGA. However, Auburn, as a whole still sucks at most everything unless cheating, and to spin it any other way is simply delusion.

      The fact is that Cam Newton’s pimp, I mean “dad”, was going to sell him to Mississippi St for $180,000. Then he got a better offer. The facts will come out, eventually, and maybe not anytime soon, but they will come out at some point. I know it, you know it, Cecil Newton knows it, Gene Chizik knows it, Mark Emmert knows it, Bobby Lowder knows and Pat Dye knows it.

      There is a legacy going back over 60 years that plainly equates Auburn’s brief periods of footballl success with rampant cheating within in the organization. 2010 will turn out to have been no different. It’s absolutely disgusting, and I feel deeply sorry for the Auburn fans who are so deluded as to feel like they need to defend the renegade actions of their university in the name of football. What a sad existence.

      • WarD Eagle

        What a sad existence indeed. Spending your time reposting the same thoughts over and over in the deluded hope that something – anything – justifies your petty angst.

        HAW HAW LET’S BARK IN PUBLIC COOTER!!111

    • AlphaDawg

      I heard the following from a well informed friend who is a Ohio State grad a few months ago “Ohio state has the largest and best compliance department in NCAA, theres no way all this has happened”….Just Sayin

  8. WarD Eagle

    I think I’m surprised as all the other coaches. It seems like an unusual venue – esp. to pressure her.

    But, as I understand it, AU has received no notice of an investigation.

    I’m sure it’s entertaining from the other side.

    • The other Doug

      It’s interesting that Chizik confronted her in front of the other coaches instead of privately after the presentation was concluded.

      • Hogbody Spradlin

        Possibly an intentional implication that two can play at the negative recruiting game.

        • WarD Eagle

          I would hope this is the case. However, there’s the distinct possibility that any person at any point fumes a little too much over even perceived slights and busts out some comments later regretted.

    • Go Dawgs!

      I don’t think that Chizik does anything that’s not carefully calculated, though I’m sure that he didn’t anticipate the soundbyte-worthy snarky response. I wouldn’t be surprised if I found out that Chizik wanted to get it out there so he’d have some ammo to throw back against negative recruiting — “there’s no investigation, and I even got after that NCAA woman to defend Cam!”

  9. Michael

    Now that Cam has moved on, what’s to stop Cecil from shakin down Auburn for more money to keep quiet. If there is anything that should worry Auburn, it is that Cecil will not keep his big mouth shut unless they place another greenback sammich in there!

    • Why would he do that? The Newtons have their big NFL payday coming soon. They won’t be hurting for money.

      • Go Dawgs!

        And that’s precisely why Auburn will never get in trouble over any of this.

        IF Cecil did ask anyone from Auburn for a payout for Cam’s services (and, Ward, note here that I’m not saying he did, and I’m certainly not saying Auburn or any Auburn booster paid money, so go ahead and save your time on writing a typically “butt hurt” response) …. there’s no way that any booster is ever going to tell on themselves and get the school in trouble! The only reason that Reggie Bush has a dust-ring on a coffee table where the Heisman used to be is that he was a dumbass and didn’t sign with the guy he promised to sign with in order to get that big house. If he had, the agent would have gone on as if nothing had happened, and collected on his investment, and Pete Carroll would still be terrorizing the Pac 12. The NCAA has no power of subpoena, and they seemingly have less desire to investigate than Yahoo! Sports. Unless someone from Auburn stepped up to report wrongdoing, the NCAA would never find it. Auburn’s in the clear.

        • WarD Eagle

          “And that’s precisely why Auburn will never get in trouble over any of…”

          What?

          Any of what?

          C’mon, you can say it.

          It’s obvious ain’t?

          Just fill in the blank.

          Auburn is going to be penalized because they ________ Cam Newton.

          • Go Dawgs!

            Auburn isn’t going to get into any trouble over anything regarding the recruitment of Cam Newton, whether anything illegal happened or not.

            Again, Ward, read. Slow down. Sound out the words syllable by syllable. You can do it. I said that I wasn’t even saying they did anything wrong, although the entire recruitment of Newton stinks to high heaven. And, again, if there WAS anything wrong… even if Cecil just asked for cash from a booster and was laughed at… we’ll never know, because nobody is going to out themselves. So, you can keep making these snarky little posts with impunity, because nothing will ever be found. Not necessarily because Auburn didn’t do anything wrong, although that certainly could be the case.

            You continue, however, to be the only Auburn fan I know who won’t even acknowledge the possibility that Saint Cam could be tainted. But don’t worry, it doesn’t make you look like an unreasonable homer fan boy.

      • HK

        I presume Cecil newton doesn’t really give a shit about Auburn. Therefore, its risk free money. Plus its money he doesn’t have to ask his kid for.

        • Go Dawgs!

          lol…. yeah, because the guy’s got a sense of shame when it comes to getting money from his son.

        • Mayor of Dawgtown

          It’s not risk free. Cammie might have to give back the Heisman if the truth came out.

    • WarD Eagle

      I hear you.

      I can’t wait to hear what Caleb King has to say about all the goings on in the UGA AD’s tutoring support.

      Obviously, the real story is how he was able to remain eligible for this long considering his educational capabilities.

      • Go Dawgs!

        That’s a good analogy, considering that nobody has made an accusation about Georgia’s tutoring support program while the NCAA did find Cam Newton’s dad guilty of soliciting money from a college football program for his son’s services. The idea that Cam Newton’s Auburn career is tainted really is just something that people have created out of thin air without cause.

  10. Ridley

    So according to Coulter’s reasoning in his tour de force, someone with serious connections at the NY Times must be envious of the Barner’s success.

  11. Dog in Fla

    “What were all the southern fried reporters doing then, getting suntans? Or, worse, did some of them sit on this?”

    Odds are it’s the latter. The joint meeting among head football and basketball coaches and AD’s with only four basketball coaches being willing to go on the record will ensure that next year’s meeting will be broken into separate sessions between the football coaches and basketball coaches. At least the football coaches and AD’s know about the Circle of Trust around the Cone of Silence

    “Four SEC basketball coaches confirmed the exchange and one was Kennedy, who was the most quoted source in Pete Thamel‘s article published late Wednesday night.
    Here’s an excerpt:
    Mississippi’s basketball coach, Andy Kennedy, said that he believed Chizik “was trying to get some finality to when the process was over, and it was an interesting debate, to say the least. I think the format of the meeting was set up to be generally about the lay of the land going forward. When he got into specific questions regarding their situation, I think we were all sitting back saying, ‘I didn’t know that we were going here.’ ”
    It’s interesting that not one football coach or athletic director decided to go on the record. Three basketball coaches are quoted in the story — Vanderbilt’s Kevin Stallings, LSU’s Trent Johnson and Kennedy.”

    http://blogs.clarionledger.com/um/2011/07/13/andy-kennedy-discusses-the-cam-newton-investigation/

    • WarD Eagle

      Re: “At least the football coaches and AD’s know about the Circle of Trust around the Cone of Silence”

      NYT says,”…said Stallings, who was with other basketball coaches at a recruiting event.”

      Not everything is a conspiracy.

      • 81Dog

        “not everything is a conspiracy”….

        now there’s one for you fans of irony.

      • Scott W.


        Not everything is a conspiracy.

        Never thought I’d hear that from a WarEagle/Plainsman/Tiger. Something I thought I would hear, “I don’t know how that pig got here officer!?”

      • Dog in Fla

        That’s easy for you to say. Any good conspiracy theorist worth his salt knows that “[n]ot everything is a conspiracy, but let’s face it: those who strive for power are also those most likely to abuse it.” For example, The SEC and its primary operatives, such as its awesome SEC West head football coaches, its ‘loose lips sink ships’ head basketball coaches and its football officiating krewes who always just follow orders as well as The NCAA COI could be nothing more “false fronts coordinated by a global shadow government” consisting of the Commissars of the Big 6 Conferences a/k/a ESPN, a totally-owned and tightly-controlled subsidiary of the Disney Company and New World Order

        http://montalk.net/conspiracy/

      • Lee Harvey Oswald

        “Not everything is a conspiracy.” +1.

        • Carlos Marcello

          “Not everything is a conspiracy.”

          That’s bullshit. That’s why I had Jack Ruby shoot you in the first place.