Should we blame Bobo for this, too?

From Chris Brown’s “The Future of the NFL: More Up-tempo No-huddle” post today:

It’s only a slight exaggeration to say that huddling is an archaism destined for the dustbin. I say it’s a slight exaggeration because there is a value to huddling, primarily when you have a great leader at quarterback as a huddle is an opportunity for him to show his leadership skills. But otherwise, it’s inherently inferior to going no-huddle. It’s slower, which is a problem both in games but also in practice where your offense gets fewer reps, and, maybe most importantly, the safety net of a huddle leads coaches to transform plays that can be communicated in just one or two words into multi-syllabic monstrosities.

The NFL has been slow to adapt, but he thinks that may not continue.

But things may be changing, led by an influx of college quarterbacks comfortable in the movements of the no-huddle. As Tom Brady shows every week, there’s an art to manipulating the defense in the no-huddle. As Tom Brady shows every week, there’s an art to manipulating the defense in the no-huddle. And there’s an incredible value to this, as NFL defenses become more and more complex…

… I’m somewhat more confident about seeing more no-huddle in the NFL both because there was more of it last season, but also because of those young quarterbacks…

A couple of things to consider here:  first, if the NFL is in fact trending in that direction, will that blur the value to the pros between college quarterbacks coming out of pro-style systems like Georgia’s and those coming out of spread attacks?  And second, if that’s the case, is it possible that was on the mind of Bobo when he pushed Georgia’s offense in more of a no-huddle direction last season?

Don’t laugh.  Georgia takes pride in preparing quarterbacks for the next level (remember the bragging about how Detroit’s coaches loved Stafford’s readiness coming out of college?).  It’s something to sell on the recruiting trail.  And I don’t think it’s a sales point they want to lose.  Has Bobo seen enough from Brady and Manning and the systems their teams run to have drawn a conclusion similar to Brown’s?

I may be reading too much into this – hell, I probably am.  But I will be curious to hear what scouts have to say about Aaron Murray and Murray’s coaching as he gets closer to the NFL draft one day soon.

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45 responses to “Should we blame Bobo for this, too?

  1. Always Someone Else's Fault

    Have we seen a combo of “up-tempo” offense with a stifling defense? What is about the two that seems to make them mutually exclusive?

      • Puffdawg

        Question. Is Gates supposed to hop/shuffle when he’s pulling at 1:53? That jumped out to me for some reason. Looks kind of “hitchy” for lack of a better word. I was a skill guy so I don’t profess to know the intricacies of lineman technique. Could someone shed a little light on this for me?

      • yurdle

        Only for a half. I don’t think we threw the ball in the second half. They huddled up and played duck duck goose between every play in the second half. The winner got to run the ball. And he still got 6 yards. I’ll miss you, Ted Roof.

        The no huddle should be a weapon, but controlling the clock and spelling the defense are too important to make the huddle obsolete.

  2. Sanford222View

    The scouts will say Murray is too short.

    • Puffdawg

      Agreed, and after we win the SEC this season and Aaron declares at the Downtown Athletic Club in December he’s coming back for his senior season, I’m going to tell all the dumbasses on here who bitched about Richt redshirting him: “I told you so.”

      • Pretty sure he wasn’t redshirted because Richt wanted to, and more for the fact that he was out injured from August to late October.

        • Mayor of Dawgtown

          Correct. Plus if he has an outstanding junior season he’s gone. I would like for him to stay but….what I want is irrelevant.

  3. Puffdawg you should probably puff puff pass now

  4. paul

    You know, a while back I agreed to stop blaming Bobo after a series of articles you posted finally bludgeoned me into agreement. As a man of my word, so far at least, I have respected that commitment. But you keep making it hard. I will not blame Bobo. I will NOT blame Bobo. Deep breaths.

    • JunkYard Dawg '00

      Your a fair man, Paul. I know we’ve had our differences. Just keep remaining calm. Its all good, and I expect it to be really good come about 7pm on Saturday Dec 1st!

    • Cojones

      You ARE a good Dawg, son, and you have found salvation! Unlike the other dude who threw away “Born Again Dawg” as a new moniker.

  5. IveyLeaguer

    Certainly there is value in producing QB’s who are prepared for the NFL, and we have been the beneficiaries of that value since Richt arrived. We have no trouble attracting top QB’s. But yeah, you’re reading too much into it. Several things …..

    Bobo didn’t bring the no-huddle to the Richt system, it’s been there all along, though dormant at times. Bobo did tweak it a little last year and it dominated the plan for Boise. Of course it was a disaster, in terms of execution and preparedness (both Bobo weaknesses), and we looked like the second day of installation. From there we un-tweaked it to something like we have always done, and by the next week there was a noticeable change and improvement. It was better the rest of the year, but still not near as effective as it should be.

    To see what a no-huddle should look like in this system, one has to go back to the Richt 1 era, 2001-2005. There you will see an effective no-huddle offense, especially in the earlier years of that period. It was so effective, BTW, that it prompted a rule change to slow us down, at which time Richt pretty much abandoned it.

    Not sure when the rule was tweaked to sort of allow it back, but Bobo was the OC by then. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with using it, provided we can coach it to the point where it’s smooth and effective. In fact, I would say any pro-style offense these days should be proficient at running the no-huddle, to the point where they don’t have to think about it. When it is smoothed out, execution-wise, to the point where Richt had it early on, it’s downright dangerous.

    But whether that kind of efficiency can be achieved under Bobo is an open question.
    ~~~

    • RE: your concern about efficiency

      Total number of offensive plays run, by season:

      — 2011: 1,016
      — 2010: 814
      — 2009: 793
      — 2008: 826
      — 2007: 874
      2006: 768
      — 2005: 818
      — 2004: 826

      I would humbly suggest that one of those numbers is unlike the others.

      • James Stephenson

        Wasn’t 2006 Stafford’s freshman season, and we used like 3 QBs that year. I think the True Freshman part played a big part in that 768.

      • IveyLeaguer

        Thanks, but that’s not what I meant. I’d much rather run 768 plays, and be good at it, than 1016 and be all over the place. Stats are misleading anyway, as many other factors affect those numbers.

        Maybe efficiency is the wrong word. To me, when an offense is efficient, it is effective and sound. It doesn’t misfire very often. And it certainly doesn’t do things to hurt itself. A well-coached offense will not make very many mental mistakes, because it is very well prepared, and almost always has a good plan for its opponent. And so on.

        We have not seen an offense like that under Bobo, except in spurts, like this past Auburn game. Certainly we didn’t have an efficient and effective offense this past year, as offensive inefficiency and ineffectiveness was the primary contributor in 3 of our 4 losses. Running more plays didn’t help that one bit.

        We have not had offensive consistency since 2007, and it hasn’t mattered who the personnel were.
        ~~~

        • Cojones

          Maybe you should read the players’s words from time to time to get a comprehensive view of why the perfect offense hasn’t stepped forth. Most say exactly what they did and when they did it, contrary to what they had been trained to do. Bobo can’t get on the field to play the plays he teaches and to blame the smoothness of a hurry up offense solely on the Offensive Coordinator is unjustified and folly.

          Your inability for stating what you meant could be reduced to “I don’t like Bobo” more easily than thinking up fallaceous reasoning that doesn’t hold water. Looks like you are another one who just won’t enjoy the games this year. You missed some good’ens last year.

          • IveyLeaguer

            You couldn’t be more wrong about me.

            But BTW, which games did I miss enjoying last year? I mentioned Auburn (as I have many times as I go out of my way to credit Bobo when he deserves it – and that was good preparation and a well managed game).

            Let’s see, Boise State? No, I didn’t enjoy that one. South Carolina? There were some enjoyable moments in there, but fumbling and bumbling the game away wasn’t very enjoyable. The other 9 wins? They were OK, though Vanderbilt was somewhat frustrating. LSU? The first half was very enjoyable, the 2nd? … embarrassing and humiliating. No, on the whole that wasn’t enjoyable. Glad you enjoyed it, though. And then Michigan State? Another embarrassing collapse, especially by the offense. No, not real enjoyable.

            So let’s see, we played 4 good teams last year, and lost to all 4. And almost all of it our own doing. So I guess I’m just different from you, but that’s just not my idea of fun Georgia football.

            I like it much better when we’re rock solid, and then the other guy folds.
            ~~~

            • Cojones

              I rest my case. You just described Ws and Ls. Not a word about the players, the great plays that cemented some games. defeating a group of East teams in one season that we haven’t done in 20 years, etc. Doesn’t sound like you enjoyed a thing that the rest of us watched and cheered for. Once again, I hope you pay attention this year to the small things that change player’s lives and hopefully yours enough for you to enjoy the games.

      • StirBaby's ManPiece

        More important stat would be how many draws on 3rd and long we ran in each of those seasons.

        If you’re going to “blame Bobo” for being smart, you’d better be willing to blame him for being dumb.

        Cause, let’s be serious, if you’ve got Carlton Thomas and Logan Grey on your team, you’d put Carlton Thomas in to run between the tackles on 3rd and 14, and your mobile QB, who was a 4 star out of high school, out there to field, I mean fair catch, punts.

      • yurdle

        That trend is interesting in light of a few others. (1) Total points was not markedly up, but total yards was through the roof. (2) Yards per play was down, but roughly in line with 2007 (when we ran 150 fewer plays). (3) TOP was way up.

        I think the lack of points is largely a function of bad kicking. But increased plays could also be a function of a defense that forced 3-and-outs like crazy. Plays per possession would be an interesting stat.

        • Cojones

          We have been through those “stats” all last summer and they led to nothing. This year they have improved. You now can see right away that they lead to nothing.

          • yurdle

            Maybe you can. I can’t.

            I’m not a Bobo basher. I like his offense (and I blame Richt for the occassional maddening screw up), and I think that Bobo is an innovator. Figuring out what works and what doesn’t is a complicated process, and I want to see how it plays out in the stats. Stats don’t resolve all possible arguments, but they ain’t nothin, either.

            • Cojones

              Saying Bobo is an innovator proves that you aren’t a basher. I try to avoid those words. My words stand as to stats. We have had some to flay the good works of players when trying to use statistics. Statistics in science are used to elucidate a theme, a trend. They are not used to prove a point by cherry picking inane data. By running statistics of data, we look for ways to elucidate problems, not use statistics to prove an answer as a starting point. That’s the way stats are used here, without regard that it is a complicated mathematical science.

              Vegas uses stats to predict ODDS that something will happen, not to prove it will happen.

      • Mayor of Dawgtown

        Senator this is really good info. The knock on an up tempo O has always been that if/when it goes bad your D is back out on the field too quickly. Do you have the corresponding numbers for offensive plays run by the opponents’ offenses? I’ll bet that in 2011 UGA’s opponents’ Os also ran more plays simply because of the faster paced game.

  6. I Blame Bobo. Period. For developing QBs, for gettig the best out of what he has to work with, & for getting a whole lot of very good players who want to play for him.
    Bobo Bashers Beware, he will be around as long as Richt is the HC. You may as well learn to live with It.

    • IveyLeaguer

      I’m not a Bobo basher. I just call it like I see it. We obviously look at the same offense, and see 2 different things.

      I know it’s not all bad, and have always pointed that out. I’ve said time and again Bobo is not that bad a playcaller, he can be brilliant at times, though he does have, what I call, his ‘dud’ moments. I try to give him credit when it is due him.

      But the record speaks for itself, and the record is the game film from 2007-2011. I watch the film, and speak of what I see. Much of it is obvious to all.

      I know Bobo is not going anywhere, and I learned to live with that some years ago. So I’m living with it. Not only that, I’d be perfectly happy with it if he produced a consistent, effective offense. But that hasn’t happened yet, and this will be his 6th year at the helm.

      There are many, many things that go into making that happen, things that us fans don’t spend a lot of time talking about, and most of them Bobo hasn’t done very well.

      I’m hoping one day he will. Maybe even this year. We certainly have plenty of firepower to work with. So I’m pulling for him, just like you.

      But I still have to call it as I see it.
      ~~~

      • Cojones

        If you have “seen” it you should go on TV with it. Your opinion about Bobo has been consigned in the same direction that the “feeling” about Richt has gone in the last year. Its old tiresome hat refuted by most fans on here. Take it back to the Vent and quit telling knowledgeable fans you can’t quite put your negativity into a “stat”. You forget that many have seen Bobo’s ratings among SEC and D-1 coaches on this site about 2 and1/2 months ago. They were fine. And his “Hurry Up” offense is a humdinger.

        • NRBQ

          Bobo doesn’t run a hurry-up.

          He did use the no-huddle a lot last year.

          Snapping the ball with 5 seconds on the play-clock does not speed up the attack, whether you huddle or not.

          Lay the bong aside. Watch some tape.

          • Cojones

            Learned long ago not to smoke and enjoy college football. I’ve seen a hurry-up on many occasions. Seen the no-huddles too, but you are right, I was referring to the no-huddle.

      • W Cobb Dawg

        Iveyleaguer makes some valid points. The offense has consistently been the weakest unit during the CMR era.

        UGA’s offense develops NFL-calibre QB’s?! Other than Stafford – who had an NFL-arm when he arrived on campus, name a UGA QB from the CMR era who is currently in the NFL. Saying CMB develops nfl QB talent is a fairy tale.

        • Mayor of Dawgtown

          Westy, CMR has only had 4 starting QBs before Murray. 3 played in the NFL (Stafford is still there after 3 years and appears headed to the Hall IMHO–the other 2 lasted about 4 years each with 3 years being an average NFL player’s career). Joe Cox has physical limitations and was always going to coach, not play pro ball. How many coaches from other schools have had that many?

  7. Bobo is a great qb coach, a pretty good overall OC (say what you want but they do put points on the board). His problem has been that he has not done his job (blame shared by Richt on this one too) of developing the right coach/recruits etc. for the OL. Some has been bad luck of injuries (Sturdivant and others) but for the length of time it has been an issue it is moer than just that. Hopefully Friend will get that problem straightened out and we will find out how good his play calling really is. Sorry but you don’t do what he did to LSU in the first half of the game last year without having a clue about what you are doing. As the protection wore down though his play calling suddenly looked very bad. Like I said the OL is his responsibility too but I think that is the issue way more than his play calling.

    • Mayor of Dawgtown

      I think I agree with just about everything in your post but you left out Bobo’s (CMR’s?) biggest deficiency, IMHO: the bad offensive call at/near the end of the game that causes the team to lose the game rather than win it. Everyone on the team, coaches and players alike, has busted his ass all game long and defeat is snatched from the jaws of victory by one bonehead decision. Absolutely maddening. There are too many examples to list.

  8. Otto

    NFL success has very little do with success at the college level. Bama runs a defense 1st and a slow clock killing offense. LSU can do the same when needed. NFL rules are much more firendly to offenses than college (which I very much dislike). The fast offenses that have won the title have been spread teams UF and Auburn which is not exactly NFL style.

    What I can blame Bobo for is being 119th in scoring on methodical drives that last 10 or more plays. UGA is very boom or bust or brilliant at times and head scratching at other times. Until UGA can improve that Stat they will likely win a weak East and then be 2nd to Bama and LSU. UGA has to finish clock killing drives in the 4th without knowing they can go for it on 4th down. To be fair it isn’t 100% Bobo, UGA does not have the OL Bama and LSU have, which In my opinion has been strength and conditioning.

    • IveyLeaguer

      I think you have to be very careful with stats, but I agree with your post. It goes straight to consistency, and all of that can’t be explained by the less than desirable OL’s we’ve had. Some of it goes to game preparation, some to gameplan, some to playcalling, some to mental preparation, etc.. So it isn’t 100% Bobo, but it isn’t just a lack of a great OL either.

      Your obsessive/compulsive description of Bobo is accurate, IMHO. During a game, he can be brilliant, as in the first half of the LSU game, and then call a head-scratching “dud series” which results in a shift of momentum to our opponent. The halftime decision to get the ball and run it straight down LSU’s throat, with our average OL vs. their stout front (which we knew would be fired up), and with NO RB’s, is one such “dud series” example. A second half plan as good as the first half might have given us a chance to win that game.

      Consistency. Finishing drives. Of course there are many other examples of the “dud series”, the ole scratch-your-head, momentum-killing, 3-and-outs. But my criticism of play-calling pretty much ends there, and I’ve regarded Bobo as a capable playcaller. And IMHO, it’s fair to say that most of the fan criticism of Bobo’s playcalling is unjustified. As Richt has said, most of us don’t really know what’s going on exactly. My concern about Bobo has to do with a variety of other issues that are part of his job, issues that manifests themselves on the field. I suspect fans see this and, lacking an understanding of everything that goes into a game, contribute the manifestations to playcalling.

      Regardless, I certainly agree we can point to S&C as a factor that has kept the OL from succeeding as it should at a place like Georgia. But not the only factor, IMHO. Some of it has been evaluation and recruiting, which Bobo heads up. We’ve offered and signed a lot of the wrong kids. There’ve been some significant injuries, but don’t put too much into that factor, either. Good evaluation and recruiting, and competent development would’ve covered almost all of those. It’s not like we haven’t dedicated enough spots to the OL.

      Then there are coaching and motivating factors, for the offense as whole, that are in play as well. For example, BVG and Grantham had a certain impact on their Defenses. Willie Martinez also had a certain impact on his Defense. But the effects of the Martinez impact were completely different, an almost opposite effect from BVG and Grantham. That’s coaching.

      And so on.

      You might recall a few games in the Richt 1 years where we controlled the entire 4th quarter with long drives. Georgia needs to regain that ability, certainly when facing an inferior opponent. No doubt Bobo has been hampered by his OL’s, but some of that is his own doing. Some of it is design, IMO (compare the design of the running game of Richt 1 to the design of Richt 2, under Bobo. Recall Musa Smith and other backs running downhill. Bobo’s design isn’t all bad, of course, but it seems to lend itself to inconsistency). He’s had good firepower, better than Richt had, and has used it to great advantage at times. Even though the OL hasn’t been exactly what we need, neither has our offense as a whole.

      Because the personality of Bobo’s offense has been inconsistency and the tendency to self-destruct.
      ~~~

      • Cojones

        The only agreement we will have from that dissertation is the O line. Your last line is a rubbish statement.

        • IveyLeaguer

          In that’s what you really think, then I’d have to say you don’t know what you’re talking about.
          ~~~

          • Cojones

            I’ve confessed that about football for some time, especially when it comes to describing the “personality” of an offense. Looks like we are in the same boat.

            But we both really care about the Dawgs, right?