Where there’s smoke… there’s Auburn.

I can’t claim credit for the header, but I don’t think you have to be a ‘Bama fan to acknowledge it’s been a bad week for the school on the Plains.

It started with the Selena Roberts allegations, which have provoked gales of righteous indignation from the Chiz and the usual “we take them seriously” response from Jay Jacobs.  But we barely had time to absorb those statements before ESPN tossed in a blockbuster of its own about widespread synthetic marijuana usage that the school covered up.  It ain’t pretty, to say the least.  I await Chizik’s denial to this tidbit:

In one extreme case, a freshman tight end, Dakota Mosley, failed seven consecutive weekly tests for the drug, but never was punished. (He was suspended for three months in a separate incident after he tested positive for marijuana.) The Arkansas native says he learned he’d failed a sixth test on the same day he was scheduled to meet with NCAA investigators to discuss a probe into potential recruiting violations.

Instead of being kicked off the team, Mosley was brought into then-coach Gene Chizik’s office and told he could keep his spot on the team.

“The whole time, I was thinking, ‘They can’t do nothing about the spice,’ ” Mosley told The Magazine and “E:60.”

Well, they did do something.  Sort of.

According to a statement released Thursday night by Auburn attributed to athletic director Jay Jacobs, a test for the fake weed was not made available by the university’s testing company until January 24, 2011; “Auburn added the test to its panel on Jan. 27, 2011,” Jacobs said in his statement.  That addition would’ve come nearly three weeks after AU won its first national championship in over five decades after beating Oregon in the BCS title game. [Emphasis added.]

(Greg McGarity shakes his head.)

I’ve got no idea where this is going to go.  Auburn’s dodged so many bullets over the years, I can’t help but think this will all wind up being little more than sound and fury.  The NCAA’s weakened state can’t hurt, either.  But I can’t resist letting Jordan Jenkins have the last word – at least for the moment.

… Jenkins was just referring to journalist Selena Roberts’ story, which alleged payments to players, academic fraud and other shenanigans.

“Some of that stuff is -” Jenkins then made a whistling sound. “Glad I didn’t go there.”

Jenkins said he read about half the story on Wednesday night, then decided to go to sleep.

“I believe a little bit of it,” Jenkins said. “Some of it’s a little hearsay. I think some stuff might’ve been going on. But some of it’s a little far-fetched, I think.”

Jenkins said none of that ever happened to him while he was being recruited.

“The closest thing I ever got was … I don’t even know. I had no shady recruitment,” he said. “If someone had offered me a million dollars I would’ve thought about it for a second. Then I probably would’ve said no. But I don’t know: For a million dollars you probably would’ve been able to get a good enough lawyer.”

Jay Jacobs is right there with you, Dawg.

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38 responses to “Where there’s smoke… there’s Auburn.

    • Dog in Fla

      Excellent link. The comedy line I like second-best* is when:

      “He says that Auburn looms larger in your life the longer you’ve been away.”

      *First place, as always, goes to “Cynthia Tucker”.

  1. Scorpio Jones, III

    Uncle Roscoe, the Awbun fan, is shaking his head. Can anybody explain Awbun to me? It is as if cheating, for want of a nicer word, is part of the institutional culture, and allowing kids of questionable character, yes, Bobby Hoppe I am talking about you, to share the campus, in a sense, with great people like Pat Sullivan.

    Jay Jacobs absurd explanation ignores the fact that fake pot was widely known as dangerous and could cause permanent damage, long before the testing was available.

    In other words, we don’t give a shit what these kids do as long as we can make a good excuse about their having done it.

    For every bright spot in Auburn football history, there is a dark period.

    Apparently at Awbun, being all in means you accept the skulduggery.

    I guess this is a product of Bama making all them Awbun folks feel so dreadfully inadequate.

    • Your last line nailed it.

      • Scorpio Jones, III

        Yeah, BD, and I don’t disagree that most of the institutional dark side stuff comes from this, but there are other bitter rivalries out there where little brother does not compulsively cheat throughout their history.

        Tech certainly feels some of that…at least a good portion of their fan-base does, yet….

        UCLA-Southern Cal….I don’t know….Auburn just seems to be worse because it happens so regularly.

  2. Gravidy

    Even if the NCAA’s enforcement system wasn’t currently a dumpster fire, the Barners would get away with this.

  3. 69Dawg

    “These are not the droids your looking for” – Jay Jacobs Jedi Master

  4. Turd Ferguson

    Referring to ESPN, an Auburn fan left the following comment on a War Eagle Reader story: “I can’t figure out if they’re really anti-Auburn, or if it’s just media denying facts for the sake of a more salacious story to draw readers. Either way, their lack of ethics is pathetic.”

    That’s awesome, right there. The only way the expression “Get your head out of your ass” could be any more appropriate would be if it were meant literally.

  5. Dog in Fla

    As of this moment, the number of devotees in Jay Jacobs’ tarmac fan club is estimated to be greater than 5 but less than 19. Those imaginary numbers are not constant and are expected to decrease based on the relative volatility of Selena’s Roopstigo, Emmert’s press conferences and Jay’s All In the Family Spice Club letter.

  6. pantslesspatdye

    They can’t do nothing about the spice,

    That line will always be with me.

    • Dog in Fla

      Dakota and Jay read sci-fi:

      “He who controls the spice controls the universe.” F. Herbert, “Dune”

      • pantslesspatdye

        Funny. I guess hes had some extra free time since Auburn’s storied run and I’m sure he didn’t spend it reading Dostoyevsky. I’m a little suprised they have let him out of jail already.

      • Scorpio Jones, III

        +1 for the Dune quote, dude.

    • Cojones

      And that was a true statement. Investigations were going on all over the place in order to determine if it was dangerous. Until it was discovered that it killed at least two teens and sent several others to the emergency room, no one had any idea what all the ingredients in differing mixtures could do. Reports were out concerning the main ingredient (a vine leaf from India) as producing slight hallucinogenic affects, but excessive consumption wasn’t of concern since it had been known and used there for many years.

      When spice first hit stores, word spread quickly that a “legal” drug was out there that simulated pot. It wasn’t detected simply because no one tested for it, therefore one could smoke it with impunity. Looking at the time lines and the fact that Aub was testing for it would lead one to believe that it was illegal. Not unless the Bama Legislature declared it illegal with testing, appropriate laws passed, and punishments, I’m still not sure it was illegal. Aub had the right to say they didn’t want players to smoke it, but how is their punishment written? That milieu of circumstances together makes me easily understand that Aub was in new territory with an unfamiliar drug that, when tested for, was shown to be consumed by team members, some testing positive repetitively. If punishments weren’t written then a verbal warning was all that they could give concerning a drug that , early on proved dangerous.

      An example of what I’m trying to communicate can be better understood if we go back to some old fart’s youth similar to mine. Ever heard of “Rabbit Tobacco” (Gnaphthalium)? Smoked that and dried corn silks when working my way up (?) to tobacco as a kid. Every male had smoked it in my country school by the 6th grade. Spice is somewhat in the same category. While Gnaphthalium is used as a homeopathic remedy (for pain) taken by alimentary canal, it produces terrible side affects such as headaches, nausea and dysentery-like diarrhea. Not much is known about the affects of smoking it. When pot smoking was coming into vogue many people tried dryed banana skins, etc for hallucinogenic affect. None of these plant materials were declared as hallucinogenic with laws to deter you from smoking it, much the same as “Spice”.

      A little over two years ago I went to a mall and bought “Spice” to determine if it had hallucinogenic properties similar to pot. In a bright upbeat store, you could peer at the differing mixtures and their prices. Got a medium priced mixture upon a clerk’s recommendation and tried it. Didn’t experience a damned thing and knew it wasn’t for me. I suspicion it has a similar affect on some people much like my experience, but they toke up hard in order to experience something and that leads to bad do do.

      From the standpoint of Mosely testing positive 6 or 7 times consecutively and his pronunciation that they weren’t going to do anything to him is understandable. However, if punishment was written into Aub’s testing program then they should have applied it. Is punishment for smoking Spice written?

      And what is UGA’s written policy and punishment and when was it written?

      • Cojones

        Written to the 9:56 comment by pantslesspatdye.

        • pantslesspatdye

          Response to cojones: your response was both informative and interesting. I love learning about things outside of my daily experiences. I found his comment transcendently comical and memorable; and dumb. Personally, I don’t care if players smoke weed or “spice” and i have no idea what Georgia’s spice policies were or are. On another subject, i do think are team and players are penalized much than that of our competition for similar offenses.

      • AthensHomerDawg

        “Reports were out concerning the main ingredient (a vine leaf from India) as producing slight hallucinogenic affects, but excessive consumption wasn’t of concern since it had been known and used there for many years.” It came out of Europe (Germany?) in 2010. There are 11 different synthetic cannabinoid ingredients in it.

        • Cojones

          It has been some time since I looked up the main ingredient, but remember distinctly (because there was a photo) that it is a viny plant in India. I never stated that “Spice” came from India, only the main ingredient. Please read carefully next time before inserting some Googled statement that you haven’t vetted. Oh, forgot. “Vetted” is something that the GOP doesn’t do and not sure how many of them know the def of the word. :)

          While hoping for a good discussion, wasn’t sure how my analogy to Gnaphthalium was digested. The idea was to get information that would make Mosley’s statement understandable in light of poor info concerning Spice so I used something that many Southerners could identify with. The attempt was to show that ESPN/Selena had inserted some pseudoscience that wasn’t available to the public, law enforcement or school officials.

          Today(Sat) the Senator has published an article about ESPN, the timing, the law and other reasoning cue cards I tried to give you yesterday. Your homework for the day: Please review Bluto’s post today and compare with the statement(s) I wrote yesterday before that article hit at 7:00 PM last night.

          Smoke’um if you got’um.

          • AthensHomerDawg

            “It has been some time since I looked up the main ingredient, but remember distinctly (because there was a photo) that it is a viny plant in India.” I’m fine with my googled work. It’s call research. It does help when one’s background directs the research. I realize that pictures are more associative with learning/memory and such……. still: there are no viney leaves from some plant grown in India in Spice. Despite what Meher Baba may have told you. There are 11 or 15 dif kinds of syn. can in Spice. I’m not sure where your rant on GOP and vetting is going. To be sure to me that’s a tell…. and that you are flustered and taking some perceived shot by going that route. I’m not rattled no matter how lengthy you prose. We good. But nothing but love for you. Really. You’re still one of my favorites here at GTP.

            • Cojones

              The shot was meant as sarcasm to both yours and my soft spots, nothing more. It was pretty much in return for you calling me a liar. We both should laugh at this Pome ‘d Rue.

              If you will read closely , I initially posted that there are several ingredients, even highlighting it when I bought some. That’s why it is called “Spice” because , in some cases, some ingredients are spices. The word “main” (ingredient) implies there are others. You are parsing my words falsely which is not uncommon when you throw politics into the fray. :) , :) (the second smile is for the way I ignored that politics were initiated by me, something that political parties will do to each other.)

              I didn’t understand your hardened difference to the info concerning what was selectively Googled by us both at differing times. My intent in the posting was to give info first hand as to the drug mentioned in the story. It helps to deflect the hard inferences made by ESPN concerning it’s illegality with college athletes and others. The picture they painted of Auburn going along with felonious usage of what was a widespread teenage phenomenon (finally becoming a dangerous drug that can kill some users at that time) and melding that into an indictment of administrative wrongdoing pissed me off. ESPN’s false diatribe will now help to soften public perception of the true wrongdoing by Auburn.

              By the way, Obama signed the law banning Spice ingredients throughout the U.S. last August (2012).

        • Cojones

          Thanks for looking it up. Seems the Gov had to issue an Ex Order on Oct 14, 2011 before it wasn’t available in the stores. Their chemical detection work timeline for testing:
          Jan 24, 2011 – developed test to detect presence (not level)
          Jan 27, 2011 – Began testing players.
          Mar 14, 2011- Aub Ad Comm added Spice to banned subs
          Aug 1 ,2011 – Penalties implemented at Aub and the SEC

          Postscript – 3 out of 2500 tests came up positive. That rate is almost nil for illegal usage.

          Don’t know whether I’ve said this, but your thinking has been a delight to read for some time. And I like the way you wear your Dawg loyalty on your sleeve. In fact, you , Puff and Mac (just to mention a few) have written my feelings and thoughts such that it reduced my posts (not in numbers, but in content) during last year. Thanks for yall’s words of encouragement to the teams and fans. And The Senator thanks you for reducing my words. :)

  7. Always Someone Else's Fault

    Ah, the sound of the Felony Four revving the PR engines early in the morning.

  8. This is why enduring a few “bad” seasons under Coach Richt is worth-while; having a high character, competent coach who won’t burn the program to the ground is much better than the Faustian deals some of these schools sign for ephemeral success.

    • I agree, but I’ll bet you there are plenty of folks in the Auburn fan base who don’t.

      • You’re right … but I’ll never “bend the knee” to a ring anyway…

      • Scorpio Jones, III

        The glass football is hard to dislike, but their history is littered with cheating plans that did not produce the ultimate prize….ask Pat Dye.

        I have quite a few friends who are Awbun fans…they about 50-50 on whether the national championship is worth getting caught with your hand in the till…so your point is well taken.

        I was never really interested in how many members of the 1980 team were in the developmental studies program.

        • Slaw Dawg

          Dunno about all of ‘em, but I had classes with at least 2 guys on the ’80 team (Nat Hudson and Herschel) and they were pretty good students. Had a Speech class with Nat; he was a friendly, thoughtful guy, gave a great speech on the challenges of the NFL and the low likelihood of success. Had a math class in with Herschel; always on time (unlike yours truly), always had the answer, sat in front, shy and quiet but had a smile for everybody. I was told he could tear up a dance floor, though.

          As for those unspeakable people from Southern Alabama: let’s not forget they already made history by being named AP national champs in 1957–despite being ineligible for bowl participation due to NCAA sanctions and SEC probation after paying a couple of high school players $500 each–the only known, confirmed cheaters ever to be awarded that “honor.” It appears they’ve been stuck on that $500 figure for over 60 years now, but I’m sure trying to do the math to figure out the impact of inflation would just be too damn hard.

          • Dog in Fla

            “Rabbit Tobacco” (Gnaphthalium)? Smoked that”

            You fell for that one too? That shit can’t even get a bunny loaded.

            • AthensHomerDawg

              Gnaphthalium is an important food plant for American Painted Lady caterpillars. Amateur stuff ….. any south Georgia boy could do so much better. My uncle owned a dairy farm. My cousins would probably laugh at Gnaphthalium. My older sister always warned me about drinking any of their “tea”. lol

            • Cojones

              And neither can Spice in my experience.

          • Indemnitor

            I went to school w Nat Hudson from grade 1 to end of UGA..great guy the whole time, from tough beginnings in Rome to state heavyweight wrestling champ to throwing the block behind Buck to Lindsay, always a class act .

  9. Ubiquitous Ga Alum

    So the 2010 BCS Champ Bowl game featured one team full of spice heads and the other with pot heads … now we know why players love “bowl” games