All kinds of trouble

This is good:

Think of this brain teaser: The defense jumps offside within the first 10 seconds of the play clock. The offense then snaps the ball, as it should, figuring it has a free play.

Who gets penalized? Defense? Offense? Offsetting?

Beats me.  Let’s ask Bert and Nick.

Of course, if that happened in a Georgia game, the defensive jump would make an offensive lineman flinch so the Dawgs would be penalized for a false start and delay of game.  But I digress.

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24 responses to “All kinds of trouble

  1. Good question but would have to say that if the defense jumps during the 10 second period, the offense should be able to snap the ball. If the player gets back onside before the ball is snapped, I would assume it’s an offensive penalty.

  2. PB

    I know everyone that hates Saban is against the rule but this helps UGA. Teams like UGA, LSU, FSU, or Bama can recruit top flight talent and going man on man big boy football benefits us against teams like Ole Miss or Mizzou who don’t have the talent but can Mickey Mouse their way into an advantage. So while I know you hate Saban put that aside and look at who the up tempo really benefits.

    • Bulldawg165

      Why don’t the schools with this “top flight talent” you speak of implement the HUNH as well then?

      If a coach with less talent is hanging with a coach with more then the coach with more needs to adapt, not force the other into playing “his way.”

    • Gaskilldawg

      The no huddle hurry up teams require defenses to play “big boy football” figuratively, not literally. It gives advantages to teams that can recruit well on defense over teams that cannot. Here is why.

      The UHNU strategies often are to create one on one matchups. The defenses that tackle better in the open field succeed more often than defenses that cannot tackle. The best defensive players to have are athletic defenders quick and strong and fundamentally sound. Isn’t teaching the best athletes to use correct fundamentals at the heart of old school football? Aren’t more talented defenders more likely to be playing for “big boy schools?

      The NUHU also gives a huge advantage to defenses that recruit better athletes who can defend the run and the pass. Want to have a personnel grouping featuring a bunch of 320 pound tubs of lard? Fine. See how they do chasing quicker defenders and see how much stamina they have. Choose instead to go with 6 db’s? Fine. Take on offensives linesmen blocking for runs between the tackles.

      The NUHU forces teams to trot out personnel groups on defense that feature players with wider ranges of skills. That rewards coaching skills. Isn’t that “old school” too? You probably are younger than me and don’t remember when guys played both ways. We had an NFL hall of fame QB that had to learn to play safety (his last play as a Bulldog was an interception against Tech. Old school football relied on guys having versital skills.

      The athletes gifted enough and fit enough to defend the NUHU or HUNU or whatever are the best guys and are the guys that sign with the “big boys. ”
      I respect that folkshave different tastes but I enjoy watching the modernstrategies than I did watching everyone line up in the power I.

    • Bulldog Joe

      Disagree.

      More rules = More opportunities for the SEC office to control the outcome of its games.

  3. Coastal Dawg

    I have to wonder if the NCAA is going to require BBall teams to wait 10 seconds before inbounding or bringing the ball up court after a rebound. I mean players could twist an ankle running down the court.

  4. PTC DAWG

    Just leave the play clock alone….

  5. Bulldog Joe

    The SEC has successfuly used the illegal
    substitution penalty to slow us down since Fulmer got Roy Kramer to change the rule years ago.

  6. Nate Dawg

    Senator,
    True dat. Just as the targeting may have cost us a game last yr, the Dawgs would certainly be another example of the worst case scenario as this could or could not be applied. Can’t wait to scream my head off at the TV/officials for this next yr (not that I think it’ll pass) as awbarn stops our drive w this and gets the ball back. Yay.
    PS – there may be some sarcasm here, but a lot of truth is said in jest.

  7. Of course, if that happened in a Georgia game, the defensive jump would make an offensive lineman flinch so the Dawgs would be penalized for a false start and delay of game.

    I wish there were a way to measure how Georgia has gotten screwed, compared to other teams. No question were are #1 on that list and 2nd place isn’t that close. Mention that to a non-Dawg though, are you are a delusional whiner. So you can only talk about it in Dawg circles.

    It’s been more pronounced in the Richt era, or at least seems that way. But it goes back further than that, not the least of which were the two Georgia Tech games under Donnan.
    ~~~

    • Mayor of Dawgtown

      When VD was HC UGA didn’t get screwed by the refs. That all started when Goof became HC and, IMHO, has escalated when certain game officials who have an ax to grind figured out that nothing would happen to them for doing that, particularly post the end zone stomping incidentat the WLOCP. The fumble call against Jasper Sanks in the ’99 Ga-GaTech game that VD (acting as AD) used to get that crew suspended also contributed to the undelying grudge that some refs have against Georgia. Believe me, it’s there and it will not go away until our chicken-sh!t AD and school officials make a major issue of it publicly. We ought to have enough ammo already–every game is videoed. Put together a highlight reel. You will find the absolutely most outrageous calls being made again and again–by the same officials.

      • uglydawg

        True enough Mayor, and you will also find the absolutley most outrageous “No calls” made against the opposition. Ivey Leager got it right also..UGA is the poster child for getting screwed by the assho…I mean the officials.
        I too wish there were some way to measure it.
        Maybe every team make it’s own list (supported by film) and send them to an unbiased judge….we’d have our NC then!

  8. Keese

    Penn Wagers has one for the each of ya

  9. SouthGaDawg

    If this idiotic rule passes, I expect someone like the Oregon coach or Malzahn come up with some creative angle in spite of the rule. Maybe like, make mass substitutions at the 29 sec. mark. I know the defense has to have enough time to make their own substitutions, but a creative offense could make defenders constantly run on and off the field gassing them more. Football evolves so no matter what the rule change, creative coaches will look for angles. That’s why these guys sleep in their offices.

  10. Always Someone Else's Fault

    Rule changes happen all the time. A rule change made HUNH possible. Why is it decreed that the rule change that made HUNH possible is now exempt from any review?

    People need to get over the Saban-hate on this one. The elite programs with the elite athletes will always win out in the end. The real question is whether or not HUNH is what we want to be watching for the next decade. Not me. When the NBA was cranking out 130-120 scores with regularity, it was neat for a season or two. And then it just got boring. I’m already there with CFB’s “offensive explosion.” The scales are too far towards the offense. This rule change won’t balance the scales, but it will move things back in the right direction.

  11. Macallanlover

    Legislating this is a slippery slope, imo. When do you allow offenses to go into “two minute offense” mode? While it would be easy to say you can run plays quickly only in the last 4-5 minutes of each half, the score differential may require you to go hurry-up for the entire fourth quarter to have a chance to overcome a 3 TD lead. Can offenses not go no-huddle, or by rushing up to the line to clock the ball at the eight minute mark? Saving 20-30 seconds counts just as much then as it does at the end of the game when you trail by multiple scores.

    I can agree that an entire game played at warp speed may not be what I like to see in CFB, and certainly not what I have loved all my life in watching football, but the rules have to allow both for the strategy of speeding up the pace of play, and dragging the feet enough to run the clock out when that is the best way to secure a W. I also don’t like seeing almost an entire quarter of the game taken up by one time consuming drive but it the defense’s job to get the other team off the field. Do we make them runs plays within the 20-25 second mark to give the other team the chance to score? I can’t see Little Nicky wanting that “reverse” strategic advantage taken away from him when a team wants the ball back. Rules have to allow for teams to be different in their offensive approach, it is one of the interesting aspects of CFB that the NFL doesn’t have enough of. I think how much everyone savors over an explosive offense meeting a seemingly invincible defense in a major game.