Crime, punishment, consequences, the Georgia way

James DeLoach:  Checkgate participant; internally disciplined; expressed remorse and appreciation for being given second chance (“I feel like coach Richt and the coaching staff have given me a second chance… I’m gonna do whatever I can to help my teammates, to do what I can do.”); currently in the running to start on the defensive line.

Jonathan Taylor:  Checkgate participant; internally disciplined; subsequently charged with felony assault on his girlfriend; dismissed from team; per DeLoach, currently fielding questions about his future from “many football coaches”.

Yeah, it’s easy to see how this is all Richt’s fault.

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22 responses to “Crime, punishment, consequences, the Georgia way

  1. timphd

    Waiting to hear his status with Auburn. Garner probably already called.

  2. charlottedawg

    Recruit more elite prospects (both in terms of talent and numbers) loosen the discipline policies, a lot. Discipline the Crap out of kids internally but don’t suspend them or run them off unless their behavior is so cancerous you have serious dissension in the ranks. Not that hard.

    • Dog in Fla

      Isn’t that what Irwin did with Percy Harvey?

      • charlottedawg

        Yup and it was a big reason he won a nc in 2008. We’re not a boys and girls club, We’re a football program. Our objective is to win games by whatever means necessary so long as those means are legal, ncaa compliant, and ethical. I will however say there is behavior no organization should condone, hitting a woman is one of them.

        • AusDawg85

          *The 2008 team provides a window into Florida football during that period. Tim Tebow was the star, a full-fledged phenomenon as beloved for his strong faith and motivating personality as for his on-field dominance. But a number of players on the team did not live up to Tebow’s ideal.

          A roster on the university’s Web site lists 121 players, 41 of whom have been arrested, either in college or afterward, and sometimes both. That number included 16 players on that season’s final two-deep roster, nine of whom were starters, as well as a kicker, punter and returner. Several of those players went on to the N.F.L., and one, Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton, later won the Heisman Trophy playing for Auburn.*

          There’s not enough space on the internet to list all of Auburn’s transgressions. That’s the legacy of winning at any cost.

          • Dog in Fla

            “121 players, 41 of whom have been arrested”

            Look to your left. Look to your right. One of you dudes is going to be arrested.

          • 80dawg

            that’s the real difference. UGA will never accept the reduced level of ethics that other schools will accept to win.I agree with the policy, but it needs to be a conference or NCAA mandate for consistency. Otherwise, others will have the advantage (come here, screw up & still get to play & develop an NFL career). The real problem developed when high schools/colleges found a need/method to develop/accept non-college material athletes to be competitive/win. Bag-men helped the process. Return to a mandate to be qualified as a student 1st & this will go away. We need a NFL funded minor league to support the need to eliminate this issue of fake degree programs to develop NFL players.

        • Joe Schmoe

          As a UGA alum, I simply do not support your position. I do not want to be Auburn. I want to win but win in a way that can be respected. Winning like Auburn does is completely hollow to me.

          • Slaw Dawg

            1000%, Joe. While I admit the wafer deep reporting on the “Georgia Way” often makes us look worse than schools that follow chardawg’s recommended policies, I like to think there’s something to be said for helping fulfill the program’s mission to turn out men as well as athletes.

        • Anon

          Your position is wrong.

    • Unless you are the Air Force Academy, apparently.

  3. Gravidy

    Amen, Senator.

  4. Mayor

    Amen, charlottedawg.

  5. I’m finally having to admit that game suspensions clearly don’t work. They punish the team and all who love it, and have little deterrent effect on the players. But the problem is this: The transgressions themselves are so public that image-conscious UGA feels the punishment must be just as public. Our admin lives in fear of looking like “another Auburn.” So we ratchet up the public executions. In a similar way, when the Jan Kemp fiasco occurred, there were actually no NCAA violations attached, but clearly it was a PR disaster. We punished ourselves by setting the bar higher than the rest of the SEC, and for years Auburn lived off kid we couldn’t admit. (Not that any of this self-flagellation ever wins us public admiration; seems to do the opposite.) I don’t have a prescription here, but I know that game suspensions aren’t about justice; they’re about image or the perception of it.

  6. Will Trane

    Jonathan Taylor…player who jumped over Auburn’s blocking screen in 1st half punt last year. Old Penn Wagers punished the boy for that. 15 yards and an Auburn first down. And it was all down hill for Taylor from that point on.
    Infractions count both on and off the field. It took the Dawgs awhile to get going last year at Auburn and that play sure did not help.

  7. BCDawg97

    To me this is the same argument as 09-10 when it was if we should let Richt go. He wasn’t going anywhere during that time (or in the future) unless he chooses to do so. No sense in arguing it.

    Our policies/procedures handling discipline aren’t going to change. Deal with it…

  8. Normaltown Mike

    Poor Lizaveta Ivanovna.

  9. 81Dog

    If the price of having some standards in behavior and discipline is that we lose games at times to teams where anything goes, so be it. I hate losing to Auburn as much as anyone, but if we have to operate like them to achieve “the next level,” I’m good right where we are.

    The problem isn’t UGA. The problem is kids with no discipline and no contrition who know that no matter what they do, they can just saddle up and go play for one of the many outlaw schools who will welcome them like abandoned orphans moving into Boys Town.

    Sure, I think our “minor in possession” policy is a little too harsh, and the ACCPD approach to arresting and booking everyone for everything (apparently at the request of Czar Mike Adams) is overkill, but everyone knows what the rules are before they ever set foot on campus. Everyone with an internet connection should be aware now that there are consequences. You do what you do, you get what you get.

  10. NoAxeToGrind

    Well, as an excuse of last resort, “Richt does it the right way” never fails. Probably will be used a lot this season or at least after the season is over. But we will see. Time will tell.

    • 81Dog

      how is it an “excuse” to admit we have standards for behavior? I hear this all the time from the aggrieved portions of the fan base who are outraged that we don’t go undefeated every year, or at least every other year. It’s as if they feel they can’t hold their heads up among their Auburn or Florida neighbors without a football trophy.

      If having standards and holding players to them is “holding UGA back” from winning a NC, is that an “excuse” for us not winning?

      If you feel like UGA is holding itself back, and thus depriving you of the chance to crow about our OUR teenaged criminals are better than Auburn’s, or Alabama’s , or whoever’s, maybe the problem isn’t UGA’s standards.