Wednesday breakfast buffet

There’s always something good in the ‘Net neighborhood:

  • While this doesn’t explain everything that’s happened this year, as a Dawg fan, I’d be lying if I didn’t say I’m a little jealous about it.
  • The Weis abides.  And Fiutak writes one of the most embarrassing pieces in the history of college football punditry about it.  The topper: if Weis were better looking, he’d be cut more slack right now.  Maybe the Irish should hire Lane Kiffin’s wife.
  • Mack Brown may be looking ultimately for some AP validation when the dust settles.  Gary Danielson thinks the Big XII should have just circumvented the rules and let Oklahoma and Texas face off again in its championship game.
  • Right on, Orson.
  • Brian Cook may very well be correct when it comes to the BCS, but Dan Wetzel proves there are some really, really wrong answers.


Filed under BCS/Playoffs, Big 12 Football, Charlie Weis Is A Big Fat..., College Football, Media Punditry/Foibles, SEC Football, The Blogosphere

19 responses to “Wednesday breakfast buffet

  1. Jim

    Not sure where you are going with the EDSBS comments. Every time I hear the radio folks in Austin say there should be more black coaches, I want to call in and tell them to fire Mack Brown and hire a black coach. In this world, it should not matter if you are black or white or hispanic, you should be hired because you are good. If we should hire coaches just because they are black, should we sign more white defensive backs so they can develop?


  2. In this world, it should not matter if you are black or white or hispanic, you should be hired because you are good.

    Does that mean you would attribute the dearth of minority head coaches in D-1 to a lack of ability on their part?

    Putting things in sharper perspective, do you really want to argue that Charlie Strong wouldn’t make a better head coach than, say, Hal Mumme?

    Not every white head coach is Mack Brown, man.

    I’m not pushing for a hiring quota. But the system needs to adjust and make it easier for minority head coach candidates to be considered.


  3. Richt-Flair

    Five starts missed by Tide players. Wow. Ours has to be in the 200 neighborhood.


  4. I agree with the Senator, Jim. All that should really matter is if you are good, or if people think you will be good.

    It amazes me that Charlie Strong isn’t a head coach somewhere. His defenses are more of a reason for Florida’s dominance than Meyer’s offense. (Just look at last season: Offense clicking, defense weak = Florida just average; This season: Defense Dominating = Florida kicking our asses.)


  5. mant

    Then I want more Red Headed Coaches, and Players. I don’t feel my people are represented at all in College or Professional Athletics. A minority is a minority is a minority, right. My people make up less than 3% of the World’s Population. The only folks that can out minority that are Albino’s. We need more Albino Coaches.

    Sarcasm – but still quite a bit of truth to my statement.


  6. Ally

    Rodney Garner should have been on Orson’s list, but selfishly I’m glad he wasn’t. I don’t fear spiders, snakes, or rats…. I fear ever losing Coach Garner.


  7. Jim

    I agree with the Senator that good people should be hired regardless of their ethnic background. I do not know why Strong is not a head coach at some school (the sooner the better). I have wondered why Garner has not left us to be a head coach or defensive coordinator at some school but I am not even close enough to know if he could make the jump to defensive coordinator or head coach. Lately I wonder about our defensive line along with the rest of our defense.

    I do not know why there are not more black head coaches some 40 years after schools decided they could win with better athletes regardless of their skin color. However, I do not think there is a conspiracy not to have black head coaches. For the amount of money at risk, I think rational people will take a winner even if he is a meyer or a saban. The NFL has a number of good black head coaches. I suspect they are there because they do not want to put up with the aspects of college coaching including recruiting.

    I am considered “hispanic” but I am unwilling to pay the price to be a coach despite their high salaries. Rich Rodrigues and Willie Martinez are willing to pay the price. I could care less how many hispanics are coaches as long as they are good. I am pretty sure WM is not a great defensive coordinator. The jury is out on Rodrigues.

    The point is we need to be careful to not go down (I know the Senator is not suggesting that) the path of requiring representation based on the percentage of participants.


  8. The NFL has a number of good black head coaches. I suspect they are there because they do not want to put up with the aspects of college coaching including recruiting.

    They’re also there because the NFL instituted the Rooney Rule a few years ago.


  9. dawgfish

    Does anyone actually know the number of missed starts we had this year? Not counting the entire defense’s missed game last week, of course….


  10. Hackerdog

    I question the Rooney Rule as a significant factor in increasing minority head coaches in the NFL. I think the number of minority head coaches has risen due to the increase in qualified minority assistant coaches in the NFL.

    The Rooney Rule is just a PR campaign designed to placate minorities. The teams are hiring the best candidate for the job.

    If Bill Cowher announced his intention to return to coaching, do you think Cleveland (which will probably have a position vacated by a black man) would seriously consider a minority hire? Of course not. Now, they would try and conduct a token interview of a minority. If no minorities were willing to serve as tokens, as happened to the Lions Lions when hiring Steve Mariucci, the Browns would simply pay the fine.


  11. Hacker, with all due respect, not every head coach hire involves the option of a guy of Cowher’s (or Mack Brown’s, to use the earlier example) caliber.

    In fact, the vast majority do not.

    Look, I didn’t have a problem with South Carolina leaping to grab Spurrier when he made himself available. But there are many schools which are more than satisfied to recycle coaches who are clearly past their prime (if they ever had a prime to start with). Guys like Price, Mumme, Barnett and Francione aren’t likely to be confused with Cowher any time soon, but they seem to get automatic consideration when certain positions come open.


  12. Hobnail_Boot

    Brian at Mgoblog is a hack.


  13. Oh, irony of ironies:

    > That was the system. Seriously, that
    > was the system. If you set out to
    > design the worst possible and least
    > satisfying way for a sport to stage a
    > championship, this might be it.

    The system is only marginally different now, Dan. Seriously.

    That’s the problem.


  14. NRBQ

    Re: Terrence Cody.

    I haven’t watched a lot of Bama football, but the game in Athens didn’t convince me that he’s all that dominant.

    Hard to run around, yes. But he wasn’t a game-changer.


  15. Hackerdog

    Senator, the pros and college game aren’t exactly comparable on minority hires. First, the Rooney Rule only applies to head coaches, yet the pros have far more minority assistants than the college game.

    You could probably name more pro assistants qualified to get a shot at a head coaching job than college assistants, even though there’s many more college teams.

    And your anti-playoff argument works equally well here as well. I don’t buy the argument that ADs and presidents are willingly leaving money on the table (in the form of wins) by hiring inferior white coaches over minority coaches.


  16. And your anti-playoff argument works equally well here as well. I don’t buy the argument that ADs and presidents are willingly leaving money on the table (in the form of wins) by hiring inferior white coaches over minority coaches.

    Sorry, but I’m not getting your analogy here. Are you saying ADs are hiring inferior white coaches because they perceive that even an inferior white coach is far more likely to be successful than a minority coach?


  17. Hackerdog

    When people post that a playoff would mean more money than the current bowl system, you retort (correctly) that school officials aren’t stupid enough to cost themselves that much money.

    By the same logic, I don’t believe that school officials are purposefully hiring white coaches that will win fewer games than black coaches (thereby costing the school money) . Perhaps prejudice has been a factor in a school or two, but across all of college football, the color most cared about is green.

    A interesting example will be Miss St. Will they hire a retread coach such as Tuberville, who almost guarantees an improvement to their program (but has a limited upside), or will they take a chance on an unproven coach (almost all minority candidates will be unproven) in an attempt to reach greatness? Whatever option they choose, I think they will attempt to maximize their cash flow.


  18. Hacker, I don’t think it’s due to outright prejudice – as Michael Elkon pointed out a while back, many of the same ADs who wouldn’t consider a black football head coach have no problem with a black basketball head coach – but rather to… well, politics and a reluctance to stir things up.

    Since we’re into analogies with this discussion, consider this: in the wake of the famous USC-Alabama game, Bear Bryant vowed that he would integrate his team. Yet, that didn’t happen overnight. Bryant and every other SEC coach went down the same path of granting scholarships to one or two black players and slowly building up to recruiting classes that were overwhelmingly black. No doubt that meant leaving lots of talent on the table as that occurred. Now these coaches wanted to win, so why did they do that?

    Bonus points if you can bring Tommy Tuberville and his complaints about certain practices at Ole Miss affecting his recruiting there into the discussion.

    Speaking of Tuberville, you have an interesting definition of “retread”. At least he’s a guy who’s got SEC championships, divisional titles and the last undefeated season in the conference on his resume. Compare that to guys like Glen Mason or Tommy Bowden, both of whom I have no doubt will continue to be considered for head coaching jobs for years.


  19. Hackerdog

    Senator, comparing Alabama in 1970 with the USA in general in 2008 is a poor analogy. Alabama would not have sold any tickets if, in 1971, Bear had trotted out 15 or 20 black starters. Today, Alabama has an African-American studies program.

    And I consider Tuberville a retread in the sense that most consider Meyer and Saban to be the best coaches in the SEC. Miles, Spurrier, and Richt are mostly seen as close behind (Johnson may have put himself in that group this year). While Tuberville is a fine coach, I wouldn’t consider him to be in that half in the conference. So an SEC school like Miss St has a choice to improve with a hire like Tuberville, but be a middle of the road team in the conference, or try to hit a home run with an unproven coach who may prove to be the next Saban.

    I honestly don’t know which way I would go, were I the AD in Starkville. A prodigy coach will probably move on to greener pastures quickly. A quality coach who can’t compete consistently with the conference’s elite coaches may improve the program and stay for a long time. And the fans would probably accept that.