Chippy on the make

I haven’t contributed to the Brandon Spikes eye-gouge debate because, while his actions were indefensible, you never know what’s going on in a game to lead up to someone losing their head like he did at that moment.  And there was a lot of crap going on – at one point, the officials called Tebow and Dowtin over to settle both teams’ behavior down.

That being said, this is truly one stupid post.  Although I do like the “going Wolverine” reference.

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UPDATE: Corch Myers cries out for justice (h/t The Wiz)

Florida coach Urban Meyer said today that Georgia linebacker Nick Williams should have been penalized for an unnecessary hit on quarterback Tim Tebow during UF’s 41-17 victory last Saturday.

“That should have been a penalty, in my opinion,” Meyer said on the weekly Southeastern Conference coaches teleconference. “You’ve got to protect quarterbacks. That’s the whole purpose. It’s right in front of the referee.”

Only one problem with that…

Williams’ hit, however, came before Demps was brought to the ground and the play was finished so it would not have drawn a flag for a late hit.

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79 responses to “Chippy on the make

  1. heyberto

    Well, at least Ealey went head to head with the guy. What Spikes did was Chickens@#$, pardon my french.

    Also, I know that stuff happens on the pile, and maybe something similar happened to Spikes earlier in the game. But, he got caught. So now he has to deal with the fallout. I’m quite sure if it were one of our guys doing this to one of Florida’s players, quite a few of us would be condemning that, including the good Senator. I know I would. If it were on us, I have no problem saying that half of a game suspension would not be enough.

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  2. Todd

    Is it just me, or does somebody else want one of the OL to stand up and get in Spikes face? They looked scared. I couldn’t help but think Ealy had enough balls to push him and mix it up.

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  3. rbubp

    I don’t buy the “everyone does it” argument. There’s a reason they do it in where it can’t be seen—it’s against the rules. And blatantly, obviously, dangerously so.

    It’s against the rules. Yes, it was a chippy game; the Gators are showing that hit Nick Williams put on Tebow in the first half when Tebow was just standing in the backfield after a handoff. But that was perfectly legal, even if not nice–you’re allowed to hit a guy anywhere on the field on a running play while it’ still going on. It just wasn’t very sportsmanlike (and perhaps could have been called for that, maybe).

    But I think everyone knows that the eye-gouging, whether it happens often elsewhere or not, is highly illegal and will get you in trouble if seen. “Everybody does it” does not really work when you get busted, really, for anything, but especially something that involves danger to the health of another.

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    • Ben Rockwell

      The problem with the Nick Williams hit, though, is that he hit Tebow. If Tebow had been paying attention and not admiring his good work then Nick Williams wouldn’t have taken his head off.

      In light of Tebow’s concussion, it might not have been the best idea. In terms of making an impact and showing that you’re not scared of what the other guy might do on the next play, what Nick Williams did was fine.

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      • Rbubp

        But he hit him squarely in the chest.

        No, it was not a good idea, in the sense of possible penalties and Youtube backlash.

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  4. This is a situation that grew on itself. No question, Georgia wa chippy, especially with Spikes. But I think that had to do with the players and coaches being sick and tired of watching Florida do whatever the hell they want to on the field and get away with it. If the officials had made the obvious personal foul call on Spikes last year after his hit on Moreno instead of signalling to Florida that they could be as aggressive as they wanted to be, I venture to say this year’s game wouldn’t have been nearly as chippy.

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  5. Turd Ferguson

    I don’t care what other sorts of things were going on in the game. I was raised to think that “two wrongs don’t make a right.” Be the bigger man.

    I mean, is it not really enough for you that you’re playing on what is clearly the better team, securing another trip to Atlanta, and making a run at another national championship? That’s not enough? You’ve got to cram your fingers in some 18-year-old’s eyes, too?

    Top 1% of the top 1%, my ass.

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    • Laurence

      He didn’t cram his fingers in anyone’s eyes (just ask Ealey). Unfortunately, I can’t say the same thing about some Georgia players..just ask Tebow or watch this video.

      http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=2planetgator#p/u/0/fw6ZHMJ2DO4

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      • The Realist

        Was he trying to wipe the sweat off his brow? What a friendly thing to do.

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        • Laurence

          I don’t know what he was trying to do and he shouldn’t have stuck his hand inside Ealey’s helmet, but he did not touch Ealey’s eyes.

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      • Hackerdog

        Maybe Tebow was just crying. He’s been known to do that, you know.

        Stay classy Gators.

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      • Turd Ferguson

        What do you suspect Spikes was TRYING to do?

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      • The Fakist

        You can see that GA player sticking his hand in Tebows face on that play, just before Tebow walks off rubbing his eyes and getting them squirted with water. Funny the hypocrisy on this board.

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        • Hackerdog

          Where? I see a couple of UGA players tackling Tebow. The camera angle is behind the UGA players and Tebow is looking away from the camera.

          You want to dispute the Spikes video using that?

          Stay classy Gators.

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          • The Fakist

            Its pretty clear by the way he continues to rotate his head downward away from the hand that is reaching awkwardly around his face, and CONTINUES to do so as Tim turns.

            If its not obvious from that video and the aftermath how Tebow was eye gouged, then I cannot explain it.

            Stay stupid bulldogs.

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          • The Fakist

            Further, Please use your clearly masterful reading skills before you speak.

            Nobody is disputing or defending what Spikes did. It was despicable. But attacking Spikes’ actions from your moral high horse without regard to the actions of the Bulldog’s the entire game is just ignorant.

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            • heyberto

              The differnce is just in the evidence. I don’t condone what happened to Tebow, if he did get his eyes gouged, but its not like anyone can say definitively. What you see from Spikes is much more clear, much more clearly deliberate. Spikes got caught. Plain and simple.

              Again, if our guy is at fault, then I certainly support him having to site out the first half ot the Tennessee Tech game.

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              • Rbubp

                You’ve got to be kidding. Let’s use the “indisputable video evidence” test on that one.

                Chalk another one up to the the Gator double-standard.

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                • The Fakist

                  So you are saying that you believe the Bulldog’s acted appropriately the whole game?

                  Thats REALLY what you are saying?

                  Or is it that the bulldog’s similar despicable actions are OK because they were not caught front and center?

                  Unbelievable! This is comical at best.

                  Chalk one up to another bulldog retard.

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                • Rbubp

                  Who said that?
                  Tell me where someone said that.

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                • The Fakist

                  Read your own post? Are you serious?

                  “Indisputable Video Evidence”

                  Dear lord.

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                • The Fakist

                  And if that wasn’t the point you were making, then please, use your words and make a coherent point.

                  Else, dont even post if you are just going to continue to spew nonsense.

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                • Rbubp

                  The only thing any of us are saying is that, on that particular play–the one you have decided is obvious video evidence of dirty eye-gouging–you couldn’t even get a referee to call a penalty. You can’t see what happened. NO ONE CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT PLAY. You’re INFERRING it.

                  That’s all anyone here is saying, other than YOU.

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                • The Fakist

                  So then:

                  “The only thing any of us are saying is that, on that particular play–the one you have decided is obvious video evidence of dirty eye-gouging–you couldn’t even get a referee to call a penalty.”

                  1. THERE WAS NO PENALTY ON THE SPIKES PLAY. IS IT OK THEN? Wow, think before you write buddy.

                  2. Why is it do difficult for you to admit that what Spikes did, while despicable (as i have mentioned many times) is NO DIFFERENT from what Georgia players were doing the entire game?

                  Seriously, get off of your moral high horse. It was a dirty game, from BOTH TEAMS. Deal with it; condemning Brandon Spikes is condemning most of your entire team. And mine.

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                • Rbubp

                  Fakist,

                  I’m not going to insult you any more.

                  The point is that you see an obvious intentional eye-gouge on a play where neither hand nor facemask can be seen at all.

                  I don’t know what happened in the rest of the game. UGA had some plays I wasn’t proud of. On the play where you saw a dirty play, however, I, and I have to think any impartial source who watched it, would not be able to conclude anything intentionally illegal happened–or even anything illegal at all. You’re basing your proof entirely on Tebow rubbing his eye “afterward,” which could have happened incidentally very easily on that play, if was from that play at all.

                  It may have been intentional. It may not have been. We cannot know for sure without conducting a full investigation.

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                • Rbubp

                  So…please explain to se me how you can see the intentional eye-gouging without being able to see the defender’s hand or the front of Tebow’s facemask.

                  That’s all.

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                • The Fakist

                  Face the facts, the Bulldogs are as guilty as Brandon Spikes. Everyone was. This is why the ref’s had to pull aside players to make them tone it down.

                  Quit your crying, get off your high horse, and move on. As I said, condemning Brandon is condemning everyone on that field, Bulldogs included.

                  The only reason this “discussion” started was because of your pointless comment, “Chalk another one up to the the Gator double-standard” after making pointless, nonsensical commentary. If you dont want your idiocy to be pointed out, dont make stupid, inflammatory comments. Else, just sack up and realize this is a message board and this is what comes with the territory. I can get you a tissue if you need.

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                • Rbubp

                  So…please explain to se me how you can see the intentional eye-gouging without being able to see the defender’s hand or the front of Tebow’s facemask.

                  That’s all.

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                • The Fakist

                  did you just post the exact same thing twice?

                  theres that GED getting some good use!

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                • Rbubp

                  So…please explain to me how you can see the intentional eye-gouging without being able to see the defender’s hand or the front of Tebow’s facemask.

                  That’s all.

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                • Hackerdog

                  Fakist,

                  Your “logic” is lacking. I won’t argue that the Bulldogs didn’t have some players pushing or shoving after the play, just like UF players.

                  But to excuse Spikes’ eye gouge by saying that both teams were pushing and shoving, or that a Bulldogs player eye gouged Tebow, even though you have no evidence, is pathetic.

                  Spikes eye gouged Wealey. The crystal clear video evidence prompted UF to take disciplinary action, and for the SEC to comment on that action. Case closed.

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        • You’re missing the bigger point. Teams are going to continue to get “chippy” with UF as long as there is a double standard with how aggressive they are allowed to play. If Florida is going to continue to be allowed to yap nonstop, pull and tug on receiver’s and db’s jerseys, and lay on top of players after a big hit for 5 seconds running their mouth without getting called for it, then they can continue to expect other teams to do it to them too.

          And before UF throws rocks about hitting a QB late, I suggest they Youtube “Alex Brown Tee Martin”.

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          • The Fakist

            What proof is there that there is a double standard?

            Im pretty sure both teams got personal foul flags left and right, and BOTH teams got away with things that should have been called.

            Could it rather be that teams dont like getting whooped on, and THEREFORE get chippy? Riddle me this.

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            • I think my post illustrated examples of the double standard.

              Riddle ME this, if Rennie Curran planted Tim Tebow and then laid on top of him, ie. Spikes and Moreno, do you honestly think he wouldn’t get flagged for it?

              If so, then you’re either stupid, or blinded by team loyalty.

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  6. The Realist

    It doesn’t matter what led up to it. If he got poked in the eye prior, it was because he doesn’t buckle his chinstrap. He already got a bogus personal foul called on Georgia because of it. If Ealey was mixing it up with him or Haden or whomever, it was because they talk trash the whole game.

    Forget whether or not eye gouging is acceptable football behavior. It is not. The real reason this is a big deal is because it is a bitch move. Men don’t gouge eyes. Bitches do. As bad a man as Spikes thinks he is, he’s really just a bitch. I’m surprised he didn’t try to pull of his helmet so he could pull his hair.

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    • The Fakist

      Its funny you say that, because earlier in the game Spikes had his helmet ripped off by someone doing what…PULLING HIS HAIR!

      Did you even watch the game? Seriously, you are a moron.

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      • Laurence

        Some Georgia fans have lost touch with reality. Richt has basically imported FSU’s dirty play to Athens and some haven’t even noticed. I can’t believe how many Georgia fans claim that their players are classy and always display sportsmanship.

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        • Turd Ferguson

          I don’t recall any Georgia fans here saying that our players were NOT guilty of unsportsmanlike behavior during the game. Eye-gouging (or even TRYING to eye-gouge), however, is inexcusable. So I fail to see how your mindless commentary about Georgia fans and Mark Richt has any bearing on this discussion.

          And for the record, if Georgia’s players are known for anything, it’s stuff like driving on a suspended license. Florida’s players, on the other hand, are developing a reputation for firing automatic rifles in public places, using a dead girl’s credit card to fill their gas tank, and now eye-gouging. This despite Urban Meyer’s insistence that his players somehow represent “the top 1% of the top 1%” in terms of conduct.

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          • The Fakist

            And yet Tebow is the only one shown rubbing his eyes in pain after a play where a bulldog hand was in his face.

            You are right, the drivers licenses is the only tarnish on the GA players records. They played a good clean game Saturday against a bunch of thugs.

            Sounds like sour grapes from a fanbase on the losing end of a decade of football.

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            • Rbubp

              Fakist, do you think it could be possible that, in a football game, a player’s hand could come in contact with a player’s face without meaning to?

              I’m not saying that UGA never did anything dirty, but you appear to be suggesting that this one incident–which is debatable at best–is evidence of “what Georgia was doing the whole game.”

              Is that what you’re saying?

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              • The Fakist

                Have you seen the photo of Ealey with his hand up under the facemask of Joe Haden?

                I suggest you google that. Then get back to me.

                You really, truly didnt watch the game huh? Why are you even here?

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      • The Realist

        I did watch the game. Spikes’s helmet was hardly “ripped off.” To rip something off, great effort would be required. Taking someone’s helmet off that is improperly strapped to his head requires little effort. If you can take someone’s helmet off by pulling his hair, then his helmet was barely on at all.

        You see it through blue and orange glasses, I’ll see it through red and black glasses, and let’s be done with it.

        And, for the record, I don’t think Spikes should be suspended. I think the embarrassment of getting caught attempting to poke someone in the eye, or plucking someone’s eyebrows, or playing the “I got your nose” game in a tickle pile is punishment enough. Spikes might play the part, but his legend faaaar exceeds his actual level of badassery.

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      • heyberto

        If Spikes doesn’t want his hair to get pulled, then he shouldn’t let it grow out past his helmet. I have no sympathy for any player on any team that leaves their hair out for an opposing player to grab. That’s their own fault.

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        • The Fakist

          Easley shouldnt have grown eyes if he didnt want them to be poked. Get a helmet that covers his entire face and head 100% or make no excuses.

          Similar argument. I bet it sounds silly doesnt it?

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          • heyberto

            I think you missed the point. When you reach out to grab a player, and you grab his hair, that’s incidental and if causes a problem, it could be easily avoided by cutting his hair or by keeping it in his helmet. It’s a choice he made. It’s just common sense. Saying Ealy shouldn’t have grown eyes is the only silly part of that argument. Seriously man.. no need to be so angry! 🙂

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        • The Fakist

          BOTH situations, occurred after the play. Spikes hair pulled and helmet off, and Ealey’s eyes.

          BOTH were illegal actions, and despicable actions.

          If you condemn spikes, you condemn everyone on that field. Spikes is just taking the heat because he got caught.

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        • Rbubp

          That’s just stupid, heyberto.

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  7. Mike

    Actually, that was a late hit on Tebow, by the very definition of the term.

    What Spikes did was indefensible. Meyer said that and so did Spikes. Brandon apologized and apparently Ealey accepted the apology.

    Let’s move one

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  8. Hogbody Spradlin

    Hey Fakist, it’s Bulldogs not Bulldog’s. When you have to have the last word, at least get the grammar correct.

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    • The Fakist

      Thanks grammar police. Id be grabbing at straws if my team was 4-4 too.

      P.S. u r pathetic (did i spell something wrong there?!?! please let me know ASAP).

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      • heyberto

        Fakist, you sure are angry for a guy who’s team is poised to get to the MNC game. You should be happy that you guys are undefeated, but you’re too busy refuting minutiae that doesn’t mean a thing.

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      • Hogbody Spradlin

        Oh, a dagger through my heart.

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  9. The Fakist

    Also, why not provide some commentary rather than just inflammatory posting? Isnt that what this board is here for?

    Thats ok, i expected this from this fanbase.

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    • Rbubp

      It might be possible to have a conversation with you if you weren’t so hell-bent on leveling accusations. What do you expect would happen?

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    • Rbubp

      I mean, no one here has claimed that UGA did not have some nasty and dirty plays, too. Just not the ones you claim to have all this evidence for.

      Is that inflammatory?

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      • The Fakist

        I was responding to the person who’s only comment was on my misspelling of “Bulldog.”

        Thus, i was asking for commentary and something constructive, rather than just inflammatory posting.

        I can understand how that is an extremely complicated concept. The light bulb will come on for you eventually.

        Finally you have admitted that there were no angels on that field. Took you a while. Does it feel good to finally concede something as trivial as this?

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        • Rbubp

          So…please explain how you can see the intentional eye-gouging without being able to see the defender’s hand or the front of Tebow’s facemask.

          That’s all.

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    • anonymous

      This is a blog, not a message board. Please go find your appropriate message board for illiterate children.

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      • Fakist's 7th grade teacher

        That’s OK. Recess is over any way. I’ll tell Fakist to get off the internet and pay attention to the rest of the class now.

        Sorry everybody.

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  10. Dog in Fla

    ‘the “going Wolverine” reference.’

    Dog on it, who says GTP is not educational? Until today, I did not know that wolverines even had fingers, that pulling Spikeses’ dreadlocks is still okay, that Spikes doesn’t strap his helmet on so it looks like it’s is violently knocked off so he can deke the ref into throwing a flag against us, which is what I thought too, that tackling Tim was permitted although I only saw it happen once when Nick Wms did it late and somehow avoided a flag, that sticking your wolverines in Tim’s into one or more of Tim’s eyes is okay as long as you don’t get caught doing it because you’d be red-carded then, Spikes apologized, Ealey accepted, Ealey is apparently batsh!t crazy and will go at it with anyone no matter how much bigger they are, Todd thinks Ealy has enough balls (more than 2 or maybe just 2 really big ones) to do it, wonders why the hell our offensive linemen weren’t taking up for Ealey against Spikes, why the OL is scared of Spikes because Ealey based on the number of balls he has damn sure isn’t, Turd’s not big on Florida players shooting off automatic weapons and using dead girl’s credit cards but to help the discussion along acknowledges that ours are hardly ever licensed to drive, The Realist knows Spikes is a bitch, Mike who must be in law enforcement says move on there’s nothing more to see here, go bitch and moan about something else for a change, rules of grammar, rules of punctuation, Rbubp doesn’t particularly care for Fakist, the feeling seems to be mutual, when a last word or phrase is not a last word or phrase and much to my surprise according to anonymous this is a blog not a message board.

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  11. Laurence

    Dear Blogger,

    You need to look up the NCAA (and NFL) rules concerning Protection of Defenseless Players.

    The 2008 committee
    introduced a separate rule prohibiting initiating contact with and targeting a
    defenseless opponent (Rule 9-1-3)

    The following are situations in which defenseless players are susceptible to
    serious injury:

    • The player who has relaxed once the ball has become dead; and
    • The player who is obviously out of the play.

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  12. Mike Slive

    Dear Urban,

    I know I said that I was adopting a zero tolerance position on criticizing the officiating, and that fines and suspensions would be assessed immediately, but hey, I just can’t stay mad at you.

    You complete me.

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    • Laurence

      P.S. I’ll just assume the check is in the mail.

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      • Rbubp

        Dear Urban,

        The BCS met last spring and the commishes and I agreed that Tim is the G.P.O.O.E. and that as such you will get a free trip to the bowl of your choice this year, so long as the Golden Child does not get hurt. We’re trying to work that out down on the field. Do you think you make it happen?

        See you soon,
        Commish Mike

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        • Laurence

          Dearest Mike,

          After considering at the options, I have decided that I would like to play Georgia in the BCS title game. This should be a very intriguing and hotly contested matchup.

          Yours truly,

          Urban

          P.S. Jeremy says hi.

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          • Rbubp

            Except on the scoreboard, of course. Do you want Georgia to look like Grambling again? I think we can get some penalties for bad use of black.

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            • Laurence

              I’d like to change things for the title game. Could you have Georgia wear the uniforms from the 2008 Alabama game? I’m sure Richt won’t mind; he’s such a sweetheart.

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  13. Mike

    According to the NCAA rule book;

    “j. No player shall run into or throw himself against an opponent obviously out of the play either before or after the ball is dead (A.R. 9-1-2-XIX and
    XX).”

    The UGA player sees Tebow hand off, turn around and does a helmet to helmet to Tebow

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  14. rbubp

    Sure am.

    Good one!

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