Familiar face in 2011?

From today’s Athens Banner-Herald:

Former Georgia assistant coach Jon Fabris is poised to be named defensive line coach at Louisville on new coach Charlie Strong’s staff, according to a source close to that program. An announcement is likely to come this week.

Fabris, who coached defensive ends at Georgia for nine seasons under Richt, also coached the position at South Carolina in 1999 when Strong, the former Florida defensive coordinator, was the Gamecocks’ defensive coordinator.

The Cardinals are scheduled to open the 2011 season at Georgia, and the Bulldogs will play at Louisville in 2012.

No mention of special teams duty there.  We could be poised to see a directional kicking battle of epic proportions.

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22 responses to “Familiar face in 2011?

  1. rbubp

    Ten cents says Strong, unlike Richt, will hire an actual special teams coach and not let Fab have that other special role.

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  2. sUGArdaddy

    rbubp,
    I’m sure you know this, but it’s not as easy as just ‘hiring a special teams coach.’ The NCAA mandates 1 head coach and up to 9 assistants and 2 GAs. So, assistants go:

    QB
    RB
    WR
    TE
    OL
    1 offense GA

    DT
    DE
    LB
    DB
    1 defense GA

    Exactly where do you fit in a special teams coach there? You can play around a little bit w/ DE or TE coach to work on special teams, since their groups of players are pretty . That’s exactly what we did and even what we’re doing w/ Lily during the bowl. Meyer would be a better example of figuring out how to manipulate the system — he serves as his own ST coach. But it’s not like we can hire an unlimited amount of coaches.

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    • rbubp

      I do know that there are limits on coaches, but without knowing it for certain, I’ll bet the NCAA does not mandate what roles those coaches have.
      Why does there have to be a separate DE, DT coach, again? Much less a Tight Ends coach distinct from the receivers or the OL? Perhaps we should get rid of the QB coach and have a Fullbacks Coach instead…

      Exactly how do other schools do it? South Carolina does not split the D line:

      Steve Spurrier – Head Coach
      Shane Beamer – Spurs & SS/Recruiting Coord/Special Teams Coord
      Craig Fitzgerald – Director of Football Strength & Conditioning
      Jay Graham – Running Backs/Asst. Special Teams Coordinator
      Johnson Hunter – Tight Ends/Assistant Special Teams Coordinator
      Ellis Johnson – Asst. Head Coach/Asst. Coach – Defense/Linebackers
      Brad Lawing – Defensive Line
      G.A. Mangus – Quarterbacks
      Jamie Speronis – Director of Football Operations
      Steve Spurrier, Jr. – Receivers
      Lorenzo Ward – Defensive Coordinator/Safeties
      Mike Gasparato – Graduate Assistant
      Orus Lambert – Graduate Assistant
      Robbie Liles – Director of High School Relations
      Scott Morgan – Graduate Assistant
      Mike Rathe – Graduate Assistant
      Patrick Shine – Administrative Coordinator for Recruiting

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      • rbubp

        Take note that South Carolina even has an ASSISTANT Special Teams coach.

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        • SCDawg

          that’s the same team we killed on KO returns this year, including a 100 yard TD return. I know a lot of USC fans who aren’t happy with their special teams either.

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      • JTK

        To further your point rbubp, the article says Fabris will be the defensive line coach so you may very well be correct. He may coach both DE and DT which would free up one spot for a Special Teams coach.

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  3. Dr_ken

    O/U on how many times we start drives at the 40 that game?

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  4. KingDawg

    You’ve got to coach all the guys no matter how you look at it. I’d wager we spend about the same amount of coaching time as anyone else on special teams

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    • Ben Rockwell

      Agreed; it probably wasn’t the time spent coaching but instead the way the guys were coached. You can coach kids up all day long, but if you’re coaching them with a bad scheme it will be flawlessly executed bad scheme.

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      • rbubp

        Hence, why Fab will not “have time” for Special Teams at Louisville, prolly.

        Bad scheme, bad advice, bad technique, wrong players, poor motivation…it only takes one to screw it up. And since it’s supposedly apparent that Fab was a competent DE coach, it’s fair to say that his f*kcing up the special teams cost him his job.

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        • Ben Rockwell

          Well, that, and probably publicly disagreeing with CMR about how to deploy personnel on special teams, but I see your point.

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  5. sUGArdaddy

    You’re right, rbubp, you can split those up however you want. But, you still have to coach the positions, and it’s hard to figure that you might hurt one position. It can be done, don’t get me wrong. Just sayin’.

    I’ve been in favor for years of having one DL coach and then having a special teams coach.

    The only problem w/ that is there is some question as to what that dude would do the entire practice. If you’ve ever been to ANY college football practice, the kickers spend 75% of the time kicking or just standing there. They can only kick so much.

    Ideally, you can take someone w/ a smaller position (i.e. TE) and make them the Special Teams Coordinator and actually teach fundamentally sound techniques and systems. That makes sense. Our problem wasn’t that Fabris was a DE coach. It’s that he was insane.

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    • rbubp

      Perhaps so. But if he was so insane (and you surely have more insight to this than me), how’d he get a good job so quickly? Lesser program, yes, but with more responsibility in his area of specialty, I think…and with an experienced defensive guy who likely knows the score on other defensive guys, right?

      I’m not disagreeing with your assertion so much as generally asking how this all works. (But truth be told, I’m keen to hear tales of insanity as much as the next guy…)

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      • Hackerdog

        I think he got a job because Strong wants Fabris to coach DL, which he does well, and to leave ST alone, where Fabris values challenges over results.

        I think Florida’s 2009 staff may offer insight into next year’s Louisville assignments.
        Steve Addazio OC / OL
        Scot Loeffler QB
        Kenny Carter RB
        Billy Gonzales WR
        Brian White TE
        Chuck Heater Safeties
        Vance Bedford CB
        Dan McCarney DL
        Charlie Strong DC / LB

        Meyer coached the ST.

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  6. Mike

    In other news, Florida has interviewed Martinez as either a LB or DB coach.

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  7. sUGArdaddy

    The insanity definitely comes w/ his special teams approach. The use of Logan Gray on KO and PR teams, the directional kicking, having only one deep man on KO return…it was all crazy. Now, he coached up some DEs, which is why we got a job so quick.

    Hopefully we’ll find or a more clear thinking ST coach or CMR will take it over as his litttle ‘project.’

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  8. Special Teams Guru

    Fabris was fired simply because of special teams, when you have a kicker who is leading the SEC in touchbacks then no reason to corner kick!! If you watch UF or Ala they use speed guys to get down on kickoffs and make contact at the 15, unlike our back-up Qb and walk ons making contact on the 25, everyone knows speed kills we need athletes on the field during kickoffs, punt ret., etc.. UGa used to be known for our special teams and whether CMR realizes this or not we need to get back to basics!! Go Dawgs

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    • rbubp

      I wonder (given the lack of real detail in sUGArdaddy’s post). If that was really all, couldn’t he have been retained and the special teams stuff re-assigned? Did he become crazy overnight, in 2008, after seven years on the staff? Or was it just that he was fired just because CMR needed to clean out the whole thing save RG’s apparently exceptional recruiting?

      Come to think of it, knowing that any DC comes in wanting to hire their own staff, the answer is the latter. Not insane, not even bad as far as we know…,just part of a staff with a poor defense that needed a new coordinator who would expect to clean house.

      So, by process of elimination, special teams ain’t got nada to do with it. But I bet that Fab has established a track record that eliminates his chance to coach special teams any time soon.

      (More explicit examples of “crazy” eagerly anticipated.)

      On the other hand, we can hope that CMR picks a better ST coach. Maybe he’ll get lucky.

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  9. Macallanlover

    I am in the camp of CMR assuming responsibility for STs, perhaps with an assist from the TE coach on game days. With the HC as the special teams coach ALL the players are available for assignment; position coaches aren’t going to deny the boss about use of their personnel. Also, more priority on ST practice time might be allocated. I remember a post this year, don’t know how reliable, where someone gave the amount of time UGA spends on STs during the week. I recall being very surprised at how little time was spent on an area so important, and one where we obviously were struggling.

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  10. If Martinez accepts a job at Florida, I hope Richt learns a lesson about how flawed it is to have excessive loyalty to a coach.

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  11. Cy

    I played for Coach Fab and he has a great special teams mind. He should always be involved in special teams.

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