There is so much stoopid from Adelson in this “debate” with Chris Low that I wonder if she’s displaying any more sincerity in what she writes than what we’re subjected to in a typical Mark May rant.
If you’re gonna try to gin up some controversy, can’t you do better than the old, tired “it’s not the Broncos’ fault nobody wants a piece of them” line the week Virginia Tech is scheduled to play them?
And you have to love this exchange:
Chris Low: You’re right, the WAC is the conference Boise State plays in. That’s just the way it is. But it’s not even close to playing an SEC schedule, which is why a one-loss SEC champion should always get the nod over any unbeaten team from the WAC, Mountain West or any of the non-BCS conferences for that matter. I like your hoops analogy, but the difference is that Boise State isn’t carving its way through powerhouses in football en route to the championship game a la Butler in hoops a year ago. Butler beat Syracuse, Kansas State and Michigan State just to get to Duke in the title game. Boise State closes this season with Fresno State, Nevada and Utah State.
Andrea Adelson: Fresno State and Nevada have been two of the best WAC teams in football. But that is beside the point…
My head hurts.
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Georgia is 6-0 alltime against the WAC including the one time we gave Cinderella a chance to play with the big boys and Hawaii got creamed.
Boise State is 0-4 against the SEC in the 2000’s which is when everyone began to recognize the school for something other than gawd-awful blue astroturf.
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Sigh, those Broncos sure looked competitive against the “mighty” Bulldogs back in 2005. But who would like facts to get in the way of a good argument?
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/MDWM
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So then, because Utah beat up a 1-loss Alabama team the MWC is legit?????
What Team X did against Team Y 5 years ago has pretty little relevance today. Afterall, Florida hands out plenty of pantsing in Jax but certain people still think they can compete the following year!
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I get your point, but I was making fun of her derogatory use of “mighty”.
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Man, is that a typical argument with a woman???? Geeeez, I hope Chris rolled his eye’s the way all guys do when women make some stoooopid response like that.
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Andrea isn’t the only one harping on this meme. Personally, I think Va Tech smears them.
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If they don’t smear them we’ll have to hear this crap all season long.
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Frank Beamer is not a good “big game” coach. He never has been and never will be.
Chris Peterson, on the other hand, is and always will be.
Boise State will win this game.
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This dumb woman is a goddamn trainwreck.
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Really, what has Boise done to establish credibility? Beat the Oregon schools? Eked out a win on a trick play against Oklahoma after blowing an 18-point lead? Beat TC(f-ing)U? I’m amazed at what they’ve been able to pull off up there, but aside from upsetting Oklahoma they’ve done nothing to deserve all of the love they get nationally.
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I love how ignorant slut Andrea says Boise would beat every team in the SEC except 2… ignoring that straight up woodshed ass-whipping that Georgia gave them in 2005.
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Come midnight Monday, ESPN will need a new narrative when Boise is 0-1. My guess is they knee-jerk to “The resurgence of the ACC” just because of the VT victory on a “neutral” field that is closer to Blacksburg than Boise by about 2000 miles.
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So I guess we have to root for the lesser of the two Cinderella evils. I for one am hoping for Virginia Tech to blow them out. If VT wins we will have to listen to the “resurgence of the ACC talk” but that will die off as the ACC chokes throughout the season. If Boise wins there isn’t a whole lot to stand in their way the rest of the year.
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I want the Hokies because I am good at ignoring the ACC resurgence talk. I don’t want Boise St to waltz into a BCS game ala’ Hawaii and have to hear that BS again.
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How many times will the ACC resurge anyway? Isn’t that when you suck and then one year you don’t suck as bad?
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Please, please, please…let UGA get to play Boise state in the BCSNC game….PUULEEZE!
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“Fresno State and Nevada have been two of the best WAC teams in football. But that is beside the point…”
How do you miss that two of the best in the WAC, would equal two of the worst in the SEC? I will agree that you can catch lightening in a bottle once, but not week in and week out over the course of a season.
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“Two of the best WAC teams in football…” Is that like being two of the most powerful divisions of the Ethiopian army? Chris Low should merely reply, “WAC this.”
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It’s like being two of the smartest kids with down syndrome.
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How about the ‘Iraqi republican guard army’ of football. Very tough until the action starts.
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Amateur.
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o “SmelltheFinger (8/31/2010 at 12:19 PM)
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Boise State vs a team of 18 inch tall Nick Sabans, i say Tiny Sabans win 31-6.”
Much to her surprise, Andrea learns for the first time from one of her commenters just how big a Tiny Saban is.
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18 inches IS big around here and Andrea would be the one to know about that.
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“I’m not a Gator fan” – Andrea Adelson
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Why does no one bring up Boise State’s loss to a Washington Huskies team with a losing record? It’s more recent than the Oklahoma win.
Boise State is 5-13 against the BCS, and 4 of those 5 came against the two Oregon schools.
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1) Didn’t that happen the same year that Alabama lost to UL Monroe? All both teams have done since then is play the schedule they have.
2) But when you lose two games to 8-5 in the same year you get to be National Champions!
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If we’re giving them credit for a couple wins, then why not acknowledge the balance?
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Sound a lot like you want people to mention Colt McCoy’s injury when speaking of Alabama’s MNC.
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How is that parallel at all?
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I’m going to be laughing at that “best WAC teams in football” line for some time. It’s kind of like the Yugo winning the Yugoslav Car of the Year award.
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Nevada and Fresno State each go 1-7 or 2-6 if they play in the SEC, and Nevada is better than usual this year.
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It’s like being the smartest kid with down syndrome.
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Love the SNL tie-in. The old SNL is still the standard setter for late night comedy.
Petersen is clearly a very good coach. He might even become a great coach if, like Urban Meyer, he is able to attract the attention of a BCS program with the advantages that Meyer found at Florida.
But to suggest that Boise State could excel week in and week out in the SEC is laughable.
There is a reason that of the 8 national titles the SEC has won since the advent of divisional play, only 3 of them came as a result of an undfeated season. Actually, there are 11 reasons. Well, maybe only 10. Vandy rarely beats anyone.
Boise State, in it’s current incarnation, might have South Carolina or Kentucky type success, but they would not win the division or conference title very often.
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Previous coaches who had Peterson’s reputation at BSU: Dirk Koetter and Dan Hawkins. I’m not saying he’s necessarily identical to those two (even though he could be considered from that tree) but both had outrageous success at BSU before moving onto BCS jobs.
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That’s not really a fair comparison. While both Koetter and Hawkins had accolades before leaving Boise State, neither achieved the level of success at Boise State that Petersen has. Compared to those two guys, he’s taken that program into another stratosphere. I think he could coach the pants off those two guys, personally. If he finds the program with the right resources, this guy is easily the next Urban Meyer.
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Dan Hawkins only had two seasons at BSU with more than one loss (3 seasons with only one). Koetter’s record was not as solid, but you have to consider he took over the program in only it’s second year in Div 1-A yet never had a losing season.
When Peterson took over, he basically inherited Hawkins’ staff, and simply promoted the coordinators from that staff. Again, I think Peterson is a good coach, but how much of that is football genius, and how much of that is the benefit of that particular situation? It’s definitely not 100% in either direction.
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Let me phrase that a little differently: when Koetter and then Hawkins were hired away, there was a lot of talk about how ASU/Colorado was getting “the next” whoever. I’m not saying Petersen is the same, but there is at least reason for skepticism before dubbing him the next Urban Meyer. For every Urban Meyer, there is a Koetter, Hawkins, Kragthorpe, and John L. Smith.
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or Bryan Kelly.
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The jury’s still out on him.
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“First you said ‘dont’t get the pony’, now you say ‘get rid of him’. Make up your mind, Marge!” – H.S.
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I am kind of rooting for Boise. I would rather hear the talk about how they deserve a ticket to the show than to put up with the ACC lovefest that starts with a V Tech win. Besides anything that upsets the BCS is okay with me.
I blame the BCS bowl selection from last year for a lot of this. If the bowls would have let Boise and TCU play real teams instead of each other, it would have forced them to put up or shut up.
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True that…
And this year the Pac10 wanted to go to 16 teams and the Big12 needs two more but neither of the likely geographic fits for the Broncos are even considering them. They are fine with trotting out Iowa State, Baylor, and Washington State though.
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Both the PAC-10/12 and the Big 12 minus 2 are weak-ass conferences beyond the top 2 or 3 teams. I am not a Broncos fan but I think Boise State kicks ass in either one of those conferences. Maybe not the conference champ but they would beat a lot of those teams.
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Certainly given the chance, if BSU plays at the level they have been there is no reason to think that they wouldn’t be in the upper half of either of those conferences.
Keep in mind, even if they were perennial doormats in those conferences if they once in a decade put together a great season they would get MNC pub….just like Northwestern did when they made it to the Rose Bowl after how many years?
What everybody that so quickly dismisses BSU’s chance in a big conference loves to overlook just as quickly is that if BSU started cashing the bigger checks that come with BCS conference membership they, given what their staff has done with much, much less, would be able to grow the program even further. (more money + bigger conference games = better recruits)
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Iowa State, Baylor and Washington State all joined their current leagues before Boise State was a Div 1A team, so unless you’re suggesting that those leagues drop teams to accommodate a smaller school that won’t be able to keep it’s end up, those examples don’t hold.
Plus, football at the end of the day is purely an entertainment industry, and Boise State brings only a very small fanbase and a reduced ability to support rival fans in their stadium. Right now, they’re a “big deal” because they serve the pro-playoff agenda. Put them in a BCS conference and they lose that appeal.
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So then at least part of your argument is that timing of their entry is as important quality of the infield product. What then is the point of the quality argument if there is always a fair amount of dumb luck? Let’s repeat that to Texas, Oregon, anyone else that BSU jumps if they get in the MNC this year: sorry fellas. You just got unlucky in that BSU was a popular choice this year…just like WSU, ISU, BU* were when their conferences included them.
* Baylor was a strictly political inclusion (Ann Richards) when the conference was created in the mid 90’s. So it isn’t as if they have anything like a storied history there.
And I didn’t realize that conference membership for univeristies was just like tenure for professors: once you get it you can’t lose it.
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Well, yeah. that’s how it works. If BSU gets voted into the game, good for them. Suggesting that it should be a lesson to leagues who shied away from a small school who rarely sells out it’s tiny stadium in the middle of the frigid nowhere is absurd. Regarding membership in the conferences, I have no idea what the terms are, though I imagine it varies from league to league. I can only recall off the top of my head one time when a team was kicked out of a league (Temple – Big East), and that was for failure to consistently meet attendance figures. If you’re suggesting that membership in BCS leagues should be based only on a recent history of success, then you’re talking about constantly shifting league memberships and calls for a way to actually evaluate the quality of each league against the others.
If it’s not about money, why would BSU want to give up the deal they have now where they are in the best position they could be in to get to a BCS bowl or even the championship? If it is about the money, why would a BCS league want to invest in a team with a shallow fanbase, a tiny stadium, and nothing interesting to recommend it? Right now, BSU’s only appeal is as a BCS-buster, and that goes away the second they join a BCS league.
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Change ‘frigid’ to ‘scorching’ and you get Baylor. (You can even make a Richards for Hatch comparison if you you want to complain about politics being a part of the process)
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Is your point that because Baylor got in using questionable politics, it should be the same for BSU?
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Baylor’s claim to conference legitimacy is no greater than that of BSU. Yet Baylor is in while you support keeping BSU out.
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Define conference legitimacy, because we aren’t talking about it in the same terms. Baylor’s stadium is 52% larger and is more proximate to it’s conference mates (less than a two hour drive to Austin or College Station). BSU has beaten BCS opponents at a 4% clip better than Baylor (27% compared to 23%).
It’s not that I oppose BSU joining a conference. I just oppose any notion that it’s owed to them.
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Yes, and for that 52% larger stadium Baylor gets a whole lot of empty seats.
Floyd Casey Stadium has a capacity of 50,000. Here’s how they filled it for their games last year:
UConn: 40,147
NW State: 36,452
Kent State: 27,047
OK State: 38,117
Nebraska: 31,702
Texas: 44,372
Not a single sellout…not even with the #3, at the time, team coming to town from just a few hours drive away.
AS for BSU and Bronco Stadium with a capacity of 33,610
Oregon: 34,127
Miami (Oh): 32,228
UC Davis: 32,497
SJSU: 31,684
Idaho: 33,986
Nevada: 32,642
NMSU: 32,308
Looks like BSU was just about at or over capacity for every game on its home schedule last year. Baylor never sold out and had a season average of 72.6% of capacity. Forgive me if I am underwhelmed by Baylor’s attendance figures while playing in a BCS AQ conference.
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So, twice Baylor had less than BSU and four times they had more. Does it matter that BSU can’t have more? Not at all, though it’s important to note that despite demonstrating a tendency to overstate attendance, they still didn’t sell out every game, so there’s nothing to suggest they would have more attendance than Baylor with a bigger stadium (which is irrelevant, since they don’t have a bigger stadium).
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So now, when comparing the attendance figures, you suddenly think that NMSU, SJSU, and Idaho are the equal of Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Texas. That’s rich!
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Not at all. I think SJSU stands on it’s own, though. Like this weekend, when they will play a BCS opponent who isn’t going to struggle to sell out a stadium three times the size of Bronco stadium. When BSU gets fans to come see them play instead of their opponent, then you have an argument.
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Of course that fact that that team just won the MNC and most fans can’t get tickets to see, say, Auburn or Florida has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they will sell more ticket to see SJSU play this season then…oh, I don’t know…an SEC opponent such as Mississippi when Shula or DuBose were coaching, right?
You should have looked up Baylor’s attendance before you brought it up…and then not brought it up if you wanted to have a leg to stand on. As it is, put this Boise team in Baylor’s stadium and they sell the place out when Texas, Nebraska, and OK State come to town…because, of course, Boise sold more tickets to see UC DAVIS than Baylor sold to see BigXII North Division Champ Nebraska.
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So, how did the Tide sell out a 92K stadium last season against UTC? There was no championship to recommend them, and the opponent was less than even SJSU. Or how about Georgia this weekend vs. La-Lafayette? What about Tennessee vs. UT-Martin? Are you suggesting going 12-0 in the regular season before losing to TCU didn’t give the BSU fans an excuse to be excited about their program last year? Baylor fans had less reason to show up and still managed to bring larger crowds.
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Of course, what do I know? I’m only arguing for Baylor, who sold more tickets to see FCS NW State than Boise did to see Oregon in the only game they played all season that mattered. Then again, I’m just playing the hand you dealt me.
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You do realize that Boise sold BEYOND the seating capacity of their stadium for that Oregon game, right? You’re not arguing that they should sold tickets to people to stand in the fire escapes, are you?
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In all your attempts to run Baylor down, you have yet to provide one credible reason why BSU should get an invitation to a BCS conference. At best, your entire argument rests on the hopes that Baylor will be kicked out so that someone can say “Hey, since you’ve got that opening, here’s a team with less ability to bring money to the conference and will instantly lose it’s appeal once it can no longer stand as a poster boy for the playoff movement.”
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Nice try, tidefan. What has been conclusively proven is that Baylor, with a multitude of advantages over BSU consistently underperforms when compared to Boise State. The only advantage that Baylor has are in two entirely OFF THE FIELD categories…Money and political connections at the time of conference realignment. Neither of those things seem to have been put to advantage on the field at any time in Baylor’s football history. But, when you and others like you want to dream up excuses for why BSU should be excluded from the BCS, money and political connections become every bit if not more important than on-the-field achievements.
What Baylor (Iowa State, Washington State, etc.) and their persistent failure on the football field proves is that it really isn’t all about football accomplishments. What Baylor and this thread proves is that no matter what the opponents of BSU say matters the most they will always move the goalposts when the argument fails to go their way.
But let’s go back to your post that changed the course of this thread from one about football issues to one about attendance figures: “…football at the end of the day is purely an entertainment industry…”
If we take you at your word then that is a PRIME REASON why Boise State, if they go undefeated this season, should be given one of the bids to the MNC. BSU in a MNCG is what the public wants to see…the entertainment value to that far, far out weighs the specter of the national media having to hype Ohio State or Oklahoma prior to yet another date with an SEC champion in Arizona. We have all see that scenario play out several times and it always ends the same way. If it is an entertainment question then you and everyone else know that BSU in the MNCG will be far, far more entertaining than anything else that might be served to the viewing public come January.
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I have not said BSU in the championship game is a bad idea (my exact words were “good for them”). I said crying that they weren’t offered a spot in a BCS conference is nonsense. They are not owed anything, and there is nothing wrong with not offering them a spot instead of someone else. The only thing recommending them is two wins in the history of their program. Meanwhile, there are nebulous things that would make them unattractive — things you want to gloss over like the performance of their other sports teams, their lack of an academic profile, their inability to financially benefit anyone, and a very small fanbase.
And don’t give me any of this garbage about the original premise being they deserve a shot at the title. You’re point was that you hope they get that shot so they can punish the conferences that didn’t give them a slot. Your manipulation of the system for your agenda is no better than someone else’s.
And no, I don’t know that it will be far, far more entertaining. I know that it will receive far, far more blubbering hype — the same thing you’re complaining about if it’s not BSU. The game itself could very well end up a clunker, just as it has every time BSU has faced an SEC team (per your scenario), the closest being a one-TD loss to a 6-6 Arkansas team.
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Or let me simplify: I’m not opposed to BSU being added to a BCS conference. I just fail to see any reason why they should. If we remove money from this (as you seem to believe we should) BSU is in the best position they can be in. The WAC gives them the best chance at a BCS bowl and the national championship because they risk losing much, much less.
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Andrea Adelson is the Lane Kiffin of football commentators – how did this person get hired? However, ESPN is just promoting their product, a televised football game. These “analysts” simply direct more attention to the game that will be played on their network.
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