It sure seemed like a good idea at the time.

Is there better proof that most college athletic directors aren’t nearly as smart as they think they are than the “coach in waiting” concept?

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20 responses to “It sure seemed like a good idea at the time.

  1. Go Dawgs!

    My memory of issues surrounding schools not named The University of Georgia isn’t the greatest, but Wisconsin is the only school I can think of where the “head coach in waiting” concept actually worked out for everyone involved. Has it worked anywhere else?

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  2. Dog in Fla

    After not hearing about the Bobby and Jimbo and Mack and Will soap operas and not being able to get Bill Stewart under control, the West Virginia Athletic Director has all the tools needed to overtake Mike Hamilton.

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  3. Russ

    Anyone that still thinks Georgia fans are the only obsessed, unrealistic fans out there should read the comments at the end of the WVU article you linked.

    Not taking a shot at the WVU fans. They sound like the fans on every message board out there.

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  4. DawgGirl32

    Yeah that had “bust” written all over it. How the powers that be let that pass, I’ll never know. I can see where the “coach in waiting” concept would work if it’s the coach that’s picking the “coach in waiting,” but other than that, not so much. I guess it depends on what you mean by “work”. If we’re talking about making the smoothest possible transition, then I would say the FSU experiment worked pretty well. However, I don’t think you can say all parties came out of that unscathed. It was obvious that Bowden wasn’t happy with the way things went down. Too risky to me.

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    • Mayor of Dawgtown

      Yeah and that was with a successor which Bobby Bowden viewed almost as a son.

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      • Bobby

        You’re thinking of Buddy.

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        • Mike

          Yes. Jimbo and Bobby did not get along

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          • Mayor of Dawgtown

            Mike, you are on the ground down there in Florida so I will defer to you on local knowledge but I thought that Jimbo was thick as fleas with all the Bowdens, particularly Terry and Tommy, and that also included the old man. I remember once hearing Bobby Bowden on TV talking about how Jimbo was “over at my house” all the time and he even referred to Jimbo as “like one of my own sons” on that same show. Granted that was a few years ago and the way Bobby was hustled out the door may have changed things.

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            • Mike

              There was a lot of tension between Bobby and *his* coaches and Jimbo and *his* coaches. For example, when the DC Andrews retired, Bobby wanted Amatto as the next DC. Bobby was also rumored to want Amatto to be his successor. But Jimbo wanted a new hire for DC. Rumor had it that in the 2009 season, there were loud arguments and even some fisticuffs between the two sides.

              Also, the FSU admin forced Jimbo on Bowden. Bobby was not happy when he was forced to fire his son Jeff was forced to accept Jimbo.

              Florida fans wanted that soap opera to last a lot longer. Jimbo might actually turn that program around.

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    • Doug

      A Syracuse blogger who’s been following this situation made a similar point. The CIWs at Wisconsin and Oregon worked out because their predecessors had a role in picking them, but this was pretty clearly a case of Oliver Luck wanting to shuffle Bill Stewart out the door as quickly as possible. And that’s how egos get bruised and vengeful scheming begins.

      Not that I blame Luck for viewing Stewart as basically a dead end, but if that was the case he should’ve just sacked up and fired him. He certainly wouldn’t have been the first new AD to want to put a stamp on the program by bringing in his “own” guy.

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      • Stoopnagle

        That was my thought, too. Why didn’t Luck just let Stew go and hire his guy? First guess is “contract,” but there’s always a path around that…

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        • Dog in Fla

          Dana finds himself victimized by not only by Bill’s contract but also the excellent intel work of Karen from Morgantown

          “Another likely reason: Stewart still has three years to go on his contract, and if he is fired, WVU would owe him $850,000 a year. But if Stewart were to quit to take another job, he would owe the school $1 million. There was every indication that the school was willing to ride out a year of turmoil by putting pressure on Stewart to quit of his own accord, saving the program $2.7 million dollars for 2012 and 2013. But they got more turmoil than they expected….Rewind to December, just after Holgorsen was hired. “Karen in Morgantown” called in to local talk radio, an older woman near tears about the lack of loyalty shown to Bill Stewart. Immediately, fans identified “Karen in Morgantown” with Karen Stewart, wife of the outgoing coach.”

          http://deadspin.com/5808874/west-virginias-toxic-circus-the-boozer-the-lame-duck-and-the-vengeful-coachs-wife

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        • That’s the ironic thing about all this: WVU may be able to fire Stewart with cause anyway if they can confirm that he was the one feeding (inaccurate) stories about Holgorsen to the media. Still, it’s a situation Oliver Luck probably wishes he could’ve gone ahead and avoided, period.

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          • Dog in Fla

            Why am I reminded that the screenplay for this episode has already written (without the coarse language, of course, but not without the unrequited love of woman for her man) of what was (for a period up to and through the times she was repeatedly told by the authorities to stop after her thirty calls), excellent work done by a Mrs. Gilbreath on behalf of her man down here:

            “It is generally thought by most that Thigpen v. Johnson contains some of the finest hog related language since the infamous “Pencil-D!ck” case of Gilbreath v. State of Florida, 650 So.2d 10 (Fla. 1995) in which somehow, someway the Florida Supreme Court thought that the following was an obscene or harassing (apparently not both) phone call placed by a disgruntled spouse of a postal worker, apparently having a little trouble carrying out his duties at the post office, directed to the postal service management employee she thought responsible for irritating her postal worker spouse husband and therefore her:

            “She requested to know what the !**k was going on at the post office, the !**k*** harassment on Jimmy (her husband) and stated that ***damn
            !**k*** b!tch whore (name deleted) called for a
            !**k*** investigative report on Jimmy, and the
            !**k*** b!tch falsified the documents. She stated that she followed that !**k*** b!tch whore (name deleted) to her ***damn driveway last night and if that b!tch called her boss (the name of a well national realty company deleted) and cause [sic] her to lose her job, her mother!**k*** ass is gone. She stated !**k those bastards, you can’t communicate with !**k*** idiots.

            She said if those mother!**k*** c***suckers don’t quit messing with them, they would all be gone starting with the !**k*** b!tch (name deleted) postmaster !**!*** whore-b!tch (name deleted), the c***sucking two-faced (name deleted), and that p*ssy-wimp (?), white faced,

            {and now here comes the best part}

            Pencil-D!ck c**ksucking , red-haired mother
            !**k*** (name deleted). She didn’t give a !**k and it would be worth it to get rid of all of their !**k*** asses.”

            The draft title will be ‘It’s the Thought that Counts.”

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    • Grouse

      It’s like firing your current coach in advance, which is a strange thing to do. You have to like the guy enough to keep him now, but you also have to want to get rid of him. I agree completely that the current HC has to be on board with the arrangement, and actually on board with it, not merely tolerating it or paying lip service.

      On some level I think athletic departments are using the HCIW label as a cynical way to entice prized assistants to either take jobs or to keep them from leaving, knowing that there’s a good chance that the assistant in question will never ascend to the top job as planned.

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  5. BeerMoney

    Whatever happens, Holgorsen sounds like the kind of guy we need to keep around the world of big time college football just for the entertainment value alone. I bet he would be fun to party with. Hell, he looks like he is Matthew McConaughey and Stephen Garcia’s love child.

    And Bill Stweart is just a drunk too.

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