According to ESPN’s Scouts Inc., Cordy Glenn and Ben Jones are the two highest rated NFL prospects at their respective positions (in the pros, that is, so Glenn is rated as a guard). Yeah, I know it takes five to man an offensive line, but the technical term for the news about that duo is “a good start”.
Barring injury, that bodes well for Georgia. Unless Will Friend turns out to be a complete stiff, of course.
Get The Picture 
So if these two underperform, its WAs fault? I won’t buy that. Why does it always have to be a coach’s fault? Why can’t it be that a player underperformed? Like with Ealey and King was their underperformance McClendon’s fault?
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Why think that only 1 person is to blame? I think Ealey and King are, to a significant degree, to blame for their own underwhelming performances. But I also have some doubts about McClendon as a RB coach.
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Ealey & King both had over a 5 ypc average right? Ealey scored over 10 td’s if I remember correctly, granted King didn’t score much, but had a 5.7 ypc average. I wouldn’t call that underwhelming.
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Washaun got 5 against Kentucky, including a couple of gimmies. If you look at our offensive efficiency (points/yard), we were pretty unreal in that game and against Tech: defensive scores and short fields.
Were were terrible? No. Were we good enough. No. Closer to bad than good, and trending worse year over year.
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Murray got 4 against Lafayette, good point.
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Ignore JDawg. He made a wrong turn from the AJ-C and got lost. Just trying to stir the pot.
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Ignore Philly, he’s in the wrong state, made a wrong turn at AJ-G.
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First!
So who is on your short list for the next HC at UGA JDawg:
Gruden & Kirby?
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I really do hope Richt has a great year. But if Richt gets canned, I like the Pirate because he scores a bunch of points, and that’s how you win these days. If not him, get the Auburn OC Gus Malzaln. He can sco too. Grantham, if he has a big year, would make a heck of a Head Coach with a great OC. Patterson or Peterson wouldn’t be bad. Dan Mullen too. OK State can score. East Carolina can score. I like coaches who score a lot, against ranked teams, year after year.
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Actually, you are far more likely to win if you do a good job of holding your opponent down in yards/points than you are when your offense gets a lot of yards/points.
From 2000-2009, anytime a team held their opponent to a full standard deviation in yards fewer than the average yards for that season, that team won 81% of the time.
But in those same years, when a team’s offense gained a full standard deviation in yards MORE than the average for that season, that team won only 60% of the time.
You are always much more likely to win playing excellent defense than you are playing excellent offense. Better to do both, but if you have to choose or focus on one or the other, you have to go with defense. All the more in the SEC, where the other teams are going to tend to be better at defense, and more likely to neutralize your offensive awesomeness.
Jumping on an offensive bandwagon “because that’s how you win” would be a recipe for disaster for Georgia.
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Auburn’s offense averaged 35 against ranked teams (#1 in in SEC). Auburn’s defense was 3rd against ranked teams.
UGA’s defense was 4th in scoring against ranked teams
UGA’s offense was 8th in scorign against ranked teams.
Aub 3rd, UGA, 4th on def scoring against ranked teams
Aub 1st, UGA 8th. on off scoring against ranked teams.
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Does Heisman Pundit have a new handle?
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I am still not sold that a position coach is to be held completely at fault for a player not performing. Players make plays coaches call plays. its up to the player to perform. There isn’t a doubt in my mind that WF or SS for that matter is a great position coach. Players have to be the ones held responsible for on field production. In your job, if you are not performing, you will get replaced, correct?
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I recall being in love with Searels his first year here. Then I broke up with him; it was him, not me.
And Hodgie, if a player underperforms, that IS the coaches fault. It’s their job to get them to play better or get someone else in there. Which is pretty much what happened with Washaun Ealey.
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Ealey told Richt to hit the road because he wasn’t gettin enough reps. Don’t rewrite history. Ealey’s new coach has said that.
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I’m sorry, did you say “Ealey told Richt to hit the road”?
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Right on. According to Ealey’s new Coach, and the AJC, Ealey expressed how he wanted to be the premiere back, and when Richt wouldn’t agree to Ealey’s demands, Ealey demanded an immediate transfer. It really was that simple. Ealey has never, acted like it was anything other than he felt like he earned the job to be the premiere back, and when Richt wouldn’t budge, Ealey quickly left Richt in the dust and demanded an immediate transfer. Was a happy camper going out, said he didn’t feel the vibe anymore.
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Actually, what Ealey said was that the decision to transfer was as much his as it was Georgia’s.
But your “hit the road” comment makes it sound like Ealey told Richt to leave. That’s not what you meant, is it?
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Walet said in ESPN he knew about it 2 weeks before he told Richt. So nothing mutual about that.
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Two weeks before… hmmm… that would have been right about the time his head coach was calling him out in public.
Funny timing, hunh.
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Richt was trying to get Ealey to show some excitement about passblocking and being 1 of 4 in Richt’s rb rotation scheme. Richt tried calling Ealey out, much the way Spurrier does with Garcia. But it did backfire on Richt.
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I think Richt was trying to get Ealey to remove his head from his ass.
BTW, how do you know it’s backfired?
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Richt called Ealey out to try and excite Ealey about passblocking and rotating with 3 other players with reps. How did it backfire? Ealey decided around that day to transfer, called Richt’s bluff, asked for a transfer around 2 weeks later.
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Spurrier, even though he calls Garcia out a lot, does reward producitivity ultimately. So Garcia’s stays, knowing as long as he is more productive than his other QB’s, Spurrier will keep playing him. Richt’s not the same way when it comes ot RB’s, so when Richt called out Ealey, Eaely knew since he’d outperformed King by 285% in td’s per carry, he really would not be rewarded with more reps for productivity, so when Richt called hom out, Ealey decided he needed to try and find a coach who rewarded producitivty instead of personalities.
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How did Ealey perform against ranked teams? 😉
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You have a very strange definition of having a bluff called.
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Not at all. If Richt’s intention was to kick Ealey off the team, Richt wouldn’t have wasted words at the conference trying to excite Ealey about passblocking and being 1 of 4 rotating ball carriers. Richt could have kicked Ealey off months before, Richt didn’t.
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This is a response to your 8:51 comment, JDawg.
I’m just going to have to say “tomayto, tomahto,” because, in my humble opinion, your interpretation of the events surrounding Ealey’s departure couldn’t be more wrong.
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Richardson 1 td against ranked teams, Lattimore 3, Ealey had 2.
Yards per carry against ranked teams:
Ealey 4.38, Ingram 4.61, Ridley 3.99, Lattimore 3.68
Yards per game against ranked teams:
Ealey 60, Ingram 73, Lattimore 48, Richardson 40,
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Dude, if that’s supposed to be a response to me, you might as well be speaking Chinese for all the sense it makes.
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Here’s the ESPN exit interview excerpts:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/22578/ealey-georgia-wasnt-right-for-me
“I feel like everything happens for a reason, so I probably wouldn’t change anything.”
“I’m a person where I want to be a premier back,” Ealey said. “If I was to play here, I would have had to share the backfield with Caleb and Carlton also. Then they were going to try to give the freshman, Isaiah, his chance. He probably was going to get some carries at the beginning of the year, too. I just felt like I didn’t want to be in that mix of things anymore.”
Ealey said he knew about two weeks ago that he wouldn’t be playing for the Bulldogs next season.
“I just wasn’t feeling the vibe, I guess,”
“I just feel like, I guess, the University of Georgia wasn’t right for me. I’m just looking out for my family back home and thinking about my future and where I want to be in 10 years. … I just felt like I want to be able to stay focused. For me to be successful, I probably need to go somewhere I can focus.”
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You have crummy arguments and you put spin on everything. The problem with that son is that most folks on here are intelligent and read things differently than you. You still didn’t answer the Senator’s question, but instead put spin on another quote as if we would buy two bags of bullshit for the price of one.
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dang son, get clear. Which “argument”? what spin? which things? which question? your post was so vague no one can even respond to what you’re talking about.
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In Cojones’s defense, it’s hard to keep track of your arguments.
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I was very clear. This is about Ealey being called an underwhelming underperformer. I proved Ealey was 285% more productive than his #2 Caleb King in td’s per carry. I proved Murray was only 12% more productive in td’s per pass than Mason. So Ealey was 23x more productive, compared to his #2, than Murray.
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JD, God love you, man.
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Maybe because of Ealey’s lack of blocking that helped GA lose the Arkansas game, maybe Ealey needs to grow the F up and learn how to block. Because guess what, in the pros you better know how to Fing block or you will not make it.
Ealey was being a child and thankfully Richt booted his horrible blocked butt to the curb.
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James, if you’re going to attribute 1 player’s negative impact, I’d go with AJ Green. Got suspended for 4 games, team went 1-3 in his absence. Didn’t produce in the Bowl game, worried about getting injured & hurting NFL prospects. That’s 4 games there.
Grantham’s 1st year in 3-4 was #2 culprit. Grantham gave up over 30 points to teams like Auburn, Georgia Tech, and Florida. Giving up 29 points to Colorado was too much.
Bobo blamed Murray after the Arkansas game for that play, for holding onto the ball too long, 6 sacks against Ark. And when you add in the 4 turnover effort against Florida from Murray, and the 2 interceptions in the Bowl game, Murray had 3 bad games. That will be fixed this year, one way or another. Everyone last preseason isolated Murray’s inexperience as being the main concern for upcoming 2010 season, they were wrong, it was AJ Green, Grantham, then Murray was 3rd, followed by Ealey & King.
Ealey’s 2 red zone fumbles put him as the #4 culprit.
King’s fumble in Colorado hurt too. #5 culprit.
1 of the above 5 really had a primary negative impact on 7 losses (SC/Ark/Miss St/Col/Fla/Aub/UCF).
Good news is 3 out of 5 are gone.
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I am saying that to be the premiere back in the UGA or Pro Offense, you need to be able to block. If you don’t you will never be a premiere back. In the NFL it is even more important because normally the man taking the snaps makes the most money on the team and needs the protection. If WE thinks he can go to the pros and be a starter with that weak ass blocking, he will learn that the NFL stands for Not For Long.
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The NFL will not blame a RB for a sack when the QB holds onto the ball too long, and Bobo said, in that game, Murray held onto the ball too long. NFL just drafted Mark Ingram, whose numbers in 2010 in ypc/td’s were pretty close to Ealey’s. I think Ealey will get drafted about where Ingram was drafted, ealey has 2 years to work on things like catching the ball, passblocking, ball protection, breaking tackles, etc.
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You say Grantham was bad last year. But, in another thread you’ve stated he is an excellent coach and named him as a possible successor if Richt is fired (which would probably mean our defense won’t be great this year).
Now you say that AJ was actually a problem on last year’s team and we’re better off without him.
Wow. The mind just reels.
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No I did not, I said Grantham had 3 bad games that led to losses (Aub/Fla/Col) where his defense yielded too many points. Grnated, Florida game UGA offense committed 4 turnovers, and put Granthams D in a tough place, but he should have held them to more field goals in the red zone, no excuses. But finishing #4 in SEC in def scoring in 1st year in on par with what Saban did in his 1st year at Bama in the 3-4. Grantham also has built a strong staff around him. I also said Grantham, IF he has a great year this year, woud make a great Head Coach, IF he has a great OC.
There’s no doubt AJ cost us 3-4 games last year, Richt referred to AJ’s absence time and again in interviews. It was huge.
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I’ll admit that AJ’s absence was big. But it’s a hell of a jump in the opposite direction from saying we really missed him last year to saying we won’t miss him this year.
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The UGA defense in points scored against ranked teams, was neck and neck with Auburn, so you already have a National Championship defense.
Scoring against ranked teams is where’s it’s at.
If UGA struggles this year, it won’t be because of defense, it will be because the offense continues to struggle in scoring against ranked teams (averaged 2 td’s a game last year, 8th in SEC). But I am hopeful that gets back on track since we were top 3 in scoring against ranked teams in SEC in 2007-2009, and top 5 in 2009.
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You think Auburn won the national championship because of defense?
As the Senator said, bless your heart.
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That makes perfect sense.
Over-hyped mediocre players that are arrested for leaving the scene of an accident & skip a punishment run are known as “shot callers” in the business. They dictate to the coach how things will roll.
It’s not like CMR is a grown ass man with 30 years of coaching experience. Seriously, Ealey totally dominated single A football as a Junior at ECI. Once you dominate Wilcox County and whip up on Bowden, you don’t have time to be following some rules and shit.
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I would say Ealey dominated in 2010 the other UGA backs, particarly in scoring, wasn’t even close. I can see why Ealey asked for the transfer, can’t really blame him. Let’s hope Samuel and Crowell make up the 11 td’s next year as a pair (Note: All the other RB’s combined didn’t match Ealey’s TD output in 2010 so don’t hold your breath).
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By that measure Aaron Murray totally dominated Hutson Mason and Logan Gray, no?
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Different.
Murray had 342 attempts in 2010, Mason had 17.
Murray averaged a td every 15 throws, Mason every 17 throws.
Same on production.
Murray 12% more productive than Mason.
Ealey had 157 rushes, King had 80.
Ealey had a td every 14 carries, King had a td every 40 carries.
Very different in production.
Ealey 285% more productive than King.
Only a 23x difference between how much better Murray was, and how much better Ealey was.
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Chapas had a TD every 7.5 carries. By your “logic” then he was our best back. Shouldn’t you be angry at Bobo for not giving him the rock more?
In fact, your crack analysis would show that the greatest back Georgia in the CMR era is Jon Stinchcomb (you’ve probably heard of him, he played at Georgia waaaaaay back in the early 2K’s when you were in grade school).
He scored a TD 100% of the time he carried it!
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He’s better than Herschel!!!
From a completely rigorous and unbiased statistical analysis, of course. 😉
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Ealey could be considered better than Herschel, since you brought it up in productivity, since Ealey beat Herscel in yards per carry over his careeer at Georgia and had the same td per carry ratio.
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?????
Wow. Every time I think you’ve hit the new record for stupidity, you just raise the bar.
I can’t look away.
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Ealey compares better to Lattimore than Caelb King.
Ealey had a better ypc average, and both had around a 14-1 td ratio, I wouldn’t say Ealey underperformed, unless Lattimore did too.
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Who the hell marks success in football by looking at Caleb King? Like WE, he was a darling of the ‘cruitin services & was overhyped and never that good
By far, the stupidest comparison you’ve yet made, however, is Ealey & Lattimore. Ealey is “enormously talented” and left CMR “in the dust” b/c CMR can’t “reward productivity” and “compares better” to Lattimore?
Washaun Ealey couldn’t tote Marcus Lattimore’s jock strap from the field house to the locker room!
Spend some time at the below two sites and see if you can sniff out which one’s a player and which one’s a bunch of hype. Here’s a hint: when they went head to head one had 182 yards on 37 carries. The other had 75 yards on 19 carries and dropped the fucking rock on the 1 yard line on a critical 3rd QTR drive (which critical drive was made possible by Aaron Murray’s 3 consecutive completions, the chump!) Maybe WE was a bit rusty b/c he had been suspended for game one. I guess the “enormously talented” WE was so busy looking out for his family and that big NFL contract that he couldn’t be bothered with (1) having a license (2) remaining at the scene of an accident.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/480225/washaun-ealey
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/501517/marcus-lattimore
Son the more you dig, the deeper that hole gets.
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You’re the one who invited a Herschel comparison, feel free to compare ypc and td’s per carry for career at UGA. Guess who wins?
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Murray had a statistically better freshman year than either Greene or Stafford. Does that mean he is a better QB? Because that makes about as much sense as comparing Ealey’s <300 carries to Walker's almost 1000. It's the equivalent of saying that we should move Brandon Harton to receiver because he averaged 49 yard per catch in a scrimmage (which is true, by the way).
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Ealey was a malcontent. We’re better off without him, believe me. Plus, he single-handedly lost at least 3 games for UGA by f*cking up at exactly the wrong time. The guy was a screw-up and I, for one, am glad that he is gone. He was one of the “cancers” on the team that all the other players have been talking about without naming names IMHO.
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nah, he just wanted to make the NFL, take care of his family. Didn’t think he’d get enough reps to impress the scouts and land a big enough contract at UGA. He really didn’t do anything major wrong. AJ Green’s deed was worse and cost the team 3 games.
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Did AJ fumble the ball at SC on the five? Or was that the enormously talented WE?
Did AJ bag it on a pass block in a critical 3rd down against Arky? Or was that “big contract” WE
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No AJ was lazy in the weight room, and illegally sold his jersey and cost the team 3 losses and got suspended for 4 games by the NCAA. Ealey never did nothing that bad to get a 4 game suspension, and Ealey packed on a lot more muschle than AJ. Get it straight man.
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JDawg is wrong about Ealey but right about AJ. Sorry, but AJ was a screw-up too in spite of all his talent. AJ cost the Dawgs four games last season not three. He cramped up in the Colorado game when they needed him most and was a non-factor in the second half because four games into the season he was out of shape. How can a WR be out of shape in the fourth game of the season even if he is not playing? He’s still supposed to be practicing. Also, AJ mailed it in during the bowl game, running out of bounds to avoid being hit. He did that on selected occasions during his entire career at UGA. Out of the 39 games played by UGA during AJ’s time there how many did he actually participate in? If you add up all the games he missed it would amount to just about an entire season. I hate to have to say it but AJ was part of the problem last year.
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Are you 17 or drunk?
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Meant for JDawg.
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My age or blood alcohol level isn’t the issue here. 285% better is the issue. Hardly “underproductive”.
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Your age is certainly an issue. Not sure that you qualify at 13 yrs. Kid, taking your computer and flashing % signs at us demonstrates a poor level of understanding about statistics, analysis and football. Your insipid arguments signals to me that you are a teckie troller.
Adios.
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Damn! I WISH that I WAS 17 and drunk!
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He’s not from Tech. They understand statistics.
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I’m confused. Are you saying that we should have begged Ealey to stick around just because he was statistically more productive?
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I think JDawg’s “point” is that CMR and Bobo are clods b/c they don’t “reward productivity” and that the immensely talented Ealey left UGA b/c his skills would be better honed at Jacksonville State (heh-heh).
Before spewing this garbage he’s been trashing Murray for his production against ranked opponents (I’m guessing we should be starting Drew Brees instead of Murray?)
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I wasn’t trashing Murray’s performance against ranked teams. If you look at the td’s per pass, Murray is 12% more productive than Mason, and Ealey was 285% more productive in td’s per carry, or 23x more productive than Murray was compared ot the #2 behind them.
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That may be Ealy’s spin to stroke his own ego but Ealy was very publicly disciplined, and told he would have to prove his worthiness to even be on the team…much less be the “premier back”. Sorry, the kid had decent talent, but was a head-case who provided as many disappointments as he did thrills. He is lucky anyone would pick him up after his stint at UGA. His propensity to fumble at critical times last year could well have cost us the SC and MSU games. His immature behavior and insubordination made him an unrelaible teammate. I am OK without him putting on the R&B in 2011.
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Agree, he has enormous talent, outscored the entire rest of the roster in td’s at RB. But, top producers like Ealey just don’t gel with certain offensive cultures that don’t recognize or reward performance. Ealey wasn’t a big fan of the rotation approach to rushing games, particularly since there such a stark contrast in td production among RB’s. Richt’s best years were with Musa & Knowshon pounding the rock. I’m not sure where we got away from that. Richt thought Ealey couldn’t pass block too well too, so the guys just wern’t on the same bus.
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“Richt thought Ealey couldn’t pass block”
Yeah, I wonder why…
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It’s probably too much asking an “enormous talent” like Ealey to block on a critical third down in a tie game in the 4th QTR.
Maybe CMR and Bobo should’ve called a toss sweep. Even a guy who flunked twice growing up in Stillmore couldn’t fuck that up.
Look at the 1.40 mark
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I guess by the same token, since a player was caught on video with a mistake once, you’d argue Murray can’t pass from this highlight of Murray’s’ INT in OT against Florida, at the 3:50 mark??
I’ll try and link this video so you can see it right here, hope this works
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I think JDawg actually IS Washaun Ealey.
Have fun at Jacksonville State, loser.
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No, just a fan, the guy saying above that Ealey ‘underperformed’ is entitled ot his opinion. I repeat, 325% better than King.
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Considering that running backs have to do a lot more than carry the ball, your numbers could be just slightly skewed. I’d say the pass blocking issue illustrates that pretty well.
Further, you might also consider that there’s no RB in the world that gets every single carry in a game. That’s kinda how that position is, while QB is, well, slightly different on that front. So even if Ealey were x% better than King, King is still going to a decent amount of playing time based on: 1. Ealey had a bit of a problem with fumbles & got benched; 2. Ealey could not pass block or catch, and King could, which left Ealey out of the passing game; 3. RB is always a shared responsibility to some extent.
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.”I repeat, 325% better than King.” When the hell was Caleb King the benchmark of success?
WE racked up huge yards at ECI when he was one and two yrs older than his peers. What kind of numbers would Crowell put up if he played this season AND next season at a single A school? Pretty sick I’d venture. Hell Carlton Thomas would be a Rivals “Can’t Miss” if he spent two extra seasons in A ball.
WE sucked in major on field situations (UK 09, USC 10, Ark 10) and he had a shit attitude off the field. If you want to bitch about Bobo & CMR, have at it. But WE diminishes your arguments. He’s no more talented than Michael Cooper (another UGA RB that played when you were in grad skool).
We get it. You’re in your Senior year and you’re mad that you’ll leave without UGA winning a Nattie. Sure, when you applied in 07 they had the world by the tail. But things have gone off the rails since then. Maybe you can transfer to KSU, move home, and gear up your car with Bama stickers? You could probably even scalp some student tix and go to some home games to feel what its like to watch championship football. Of course what you don’t realize is that Bama suffered through: Mike Dubose, Dennis Franchione, Mike Price and Mike Shula before getting Saban.
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Come on guys. WE couldn’t steal carries away from King and Thomas, so he obviously has a future in the NFL.
I predict that he will be 492% more productive than Adrian Peterson.
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Actually, JDawg, you have essentially made this argument several times now: telling us Murray is not up to snuff (or that Bobo is not up to snuff) by jumping up and down on this one play. Or, other times, it’s all about the Florida game (3ints! Bobo no good as OC! Holla!) Using cherry-picked isolated examples is your whole thing, dude.
Other folks here are just showing you why that kind of poor argumentation doesn’t cut it.
But now I’m hoping to be treated to your well-tailored “scoring vs. ranked opponents” argument.
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This isn’t about Murray. The reason I brought Murray up, was because some were isolating 1 play of Ealey’s. This is about Ealey being called an underperformer and underwhelming when he was 285% more productive than Caleb King. I used Murray’s 12% more productive than Mason as a comparison. both examples take season long td’s as the litmus.
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Ingram couldn’t steal carries away from Richardson, and he got drafted pretty high. So did Reggie Bush. So did the Auburn backs under Tuberville.
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It’s tough to sell the premise that Ealey left the Dawgs for Jax State.
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It’s tough to sell the idea that Mettenberger, Gray, and Ealey all left because they were pushed out, and not because they all felt like they outperformed the guys iahead of them. Three is a fishy number.
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JDawg, Mett got kicked off the team for fondling a girl while he was drunk in public. He didn’t leave of his own volition. Gray, “outperformed the guys ahead of him?” Who is that exactly? Murray? The player all the pundits say is the best returning QB in the conference? Come on.
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Mett outplayed Murray a few Springs back by a MILE. And Richt named Murray the starter, this was BEFORE the Mill. incident.
Gray outplayed Murray too over Spring.
Ealey outplayed King BY A MILE.
Richt chose personality over performance every time.
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Unless you watched every spring practice, I don’t see how you have the knowledge to make those assertions.
And what was the personality choice between Mett and Murray anyway? Mett’s mom works for the program. If anything, a non-performance call should have worked in his direction.
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I’m going off the publicly known scirmmages or G-Day stats, how the guys perform under pressure. I can’t remember the exact stats, but Mettenberger beat Murray on td’s, yards, less int’s and better accuracy, it wasn’t even close, and Richt named Murray the starter. Richt favored personality over performance.
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In other words, you didn’t see any of the practices you claim “proved” Mett was the superior player. The technical term for that is “talking out of your ass”.
By the way, Murray wasn’t named the starter until Mett was kicked off the team. It’s kind of hard to perform when you’re not allowed on the field.
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I agree with you and disagree with JDawg on this specific point, Senator. That said, there is a kernel of truth in what JDawg says. The last few years UGA has been a place where the best players did NOT play, particularly on D when CWM was DC. I think that has been part of the problem. I don’t see any of that right now but the season hasn’t started yet. I’ll reserve judgment until then.
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Aaron Murray — 31-of-53 (59%) for 380 yards, two touchdowns and three INTs
Logan Gray — 23-of-42 (55%) for 280 yards, two touchdowns and one INT
Zach Mettenberger — 23-of-36 (64%) for 433 yards, five touchdowns and one INT
Read more: http://dawg-extra.blogspot.com/2010/04/mettenberger-shined-during-scrimmages.html#ixzz1WAWKv65S
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Jesus, read the caveat:
Again, if you weren’t there, you’re in no position to make the call.
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Pretty easy call. Not even close. Even David Hale ended that write up by saying:
But… going just by those numbers, Mettenberger certainly looks the best.
Read more: http://dawg-extra.blogspot.com/2010/04/mettenberger-shined-during-scrimmages.html#ixzz1WAZxf4Mr
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You really don’t get it, do you…
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Just because I wasn’t at the public competitions, didn’t mean the stats didn’t happen.
The question is why Richt would give a #1 job to a guy who significantly outperformed the other guy in public competitions?
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How many college coaches can you point to who name a starting quarterback simply on the basis of the scrimmage stats he generated? Nobody’s that stupid.
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Only the ones with good judgment. Which gives you a better idea of how the guy will perform come fall?
a) Private Practices
b) 3 Public Competitive Scrimmages
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How many G-Day games have you attended? The number of players who played well then, only never to show up in the regular season is legion.
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Watched every play from last 2 G-Days. But whether I was there or not that doesn’t change the stats.
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It shows the same pattern Richt used with Ealey.
Mettenberber’s 5 to 1 td to int ratio in public scrimmages was 833% better than Murray’s .666 td to int ratio.
You’d think Richt would notice stuff like that. Then again, this is the same coach who thinks Ealey’s 285% more productive than King on td’s per carry wasn’t deserving of naming Ealey the premeire back.
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Zach would have transferred after hearing Richt named Murray starter, Richt just used the Mill situation to save some face. Richt could have easily suspended Zach for 2 or 3 games, yet Zach transferred. I find that extremely odd. Especially since guys like Saban & Miles offered Mett a scholarship, Miles hit Mett up right after he left UGA. Looks fishy, sure Mett was wrong for what he did, I think he got a $1000 fine, and a few hours of service. A 2-3 suspension was expected, then the transfer? Richt knew Mett was gone if he didn’t announce him as the starter, especially after the kind of Spring Mett had in all public game like competitions.
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Mett had already been suspended. He wasn’t dismissed because of what happened in M’ville. He was dismissed because he lied to Richt about what happened.
And unless you discussed the situation directly with Richt, the idea that you know what he was thinking is laughable at best.
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i never read Richt say Mett lied to him. Where’d you read that?
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Gosh, you mean you can’t find any stats on that?
Believe it or not, not everything that happens at Butts-Mehre is presented for public consumption. Which is just another reason you should think before you type.
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Actually, JDawg, if you go back and look at any number of dismissals that Richt has, ahem, “orchestrated,” you will find that a common factor is that the player who was dismissed lied about things like whether they had committed a crime, whether they were going to drive on a suspended license, etc. Don’t let it get in the way of your propaganda though.
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Dawgfan Will:
Really, can you put links where Richt was quoted as saying Mettenberger lied to him and that’s why Mettenberger was asked to transfer? I havn’t read that.
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Nope. I’m just here as an obstruction. But you pulled Hale’s quote about Mett vs. Murray on G-Day pretty quickly, so I imagine it would be pretty easy to find.
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I have thoroughly enjoyed this back and forth, JDawg. Normally I don’t get any joy from seeing someone get taken to school. Today I did. I’m gonna go rewrite some more history. Tell Washaun I said, “hey”.
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No problem, I wouldn’t say I took the guys to school, just provin my case here, and they can’t prove their’s, that’s all. Ealey, say what you will, was not “underproductive”. 285% more productive td’s per carry than King.
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He stated that YOU were taken to school, kid. You throw out % productivity like it exists the way you see it. It doesn’t. Go to the blocking schemes and fumbled balls to subtract from your “productivity” bit. Go to King’s blocking to subtract % in comparison to Ealey’s “production”.
Your logic follows an old story of how a man patiently taught an ant to leap on command. He experimented to see what accounted for the jumps by pulling off a leg. He noted from measurements that the ant didn’t jump as high. He continued to deprive the ant of it’s legs one-by-one, noting each time that the leaps were lower and lower until the ant had no legs. When he commanded the ant to jump it could only wriggle.
He “analysed” his data and wrote a paper about an ant’s ability to hear through it’s legs. Son, that’s similar to the “analysis” that you have used in trying to convince yourself and others here.
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As the hip commenting community would say, This.
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I muself have never been able to figure out what happened to our O-line’s performance between 2007 when Searles came in board to coach a completely green outfit with the important exception of Fernando Velasco at C, and 2009 & 2010 seasons when we got a sorry-ass display from many of the same players. Maybe the pre-season buzz about “for all their other problems, Georgia will have one of the best O-lines in the country” had something to do with it because our teams did not seem to cope well with lots of good notice in advance of the season.
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Actually the O Line was good at pass protection it was just awful at run blocking… It was the same way when Searles was at LSU.
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Oh yeah, pass pro was great. 24 sacks. Holy cow.
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Since 2007 UGA’s offensive line gave up 14, 16, 12, and 25 sacks. Pretty sure you could say that on the whole, UGA’s offensive line under Searles’s was good at pass protection.
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25 sacks in 2010 finished 7th in sacks allowed. Not good at all.
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Read it again. 14, 16, 12, and 25. I don’t trust you to calculate the average, so I’ll just tell you that it’s 16.75 sacks per year. That’s not too shabby. When discussing a coach’s tenure, you should probably recognize his entire tenure rather than cherry picking a single bad result.
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The guy’s post above mine I had responded to said the o-line was pretty good against pass protection. 25 sacks is not even average in the SEC.
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SIGH.
The point is that 14, 16, and 12 sacks ARE pretty good in the SEC. A baseball player who bats .750 is a very good player, even if he doesn’t get a hit 1 time in 4.
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Sure, another point is that, for some strange reason, sacks ballooned up from 8 to 24 in one season? Why do you think that happened?
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What does that have to do with the point he was trying to make?
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His post was about why the o-line had regressed, did you msis that?
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His post included the words “on the whole.” Did you miss that?
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Just ignore JDawg and he’ll go back to the AJ-C and keep pretending he roots for Georgia there.
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Nah, you missing it son. It’s about fixin the right thang son. Richt’s gotta fix the right stuff for a change. Ealey’s production wasn’t why Richt went 6-7 last season. 5.2 ypc & 14 to 1 td to carry ratio is amazing. All I’m sayin’.
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Now let’s not get carried away. I agree that WE wasn’t as bad as some here may make him out to be. However, he did choke at some inopportune times. But, 5.2 ypc is not amazing. According to cfbstats.com, that doesn’t put him in the top 100 backs in the country in ypc. In the SEC, 5.2 ypc puts him at #19 in the conference.
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Herschel Walker finished 5.27 ypc, and Ealey finished his career with a higher per carry average and the same td per carry ratio as Herschel Walker. Ealey’s 1 to 14 td to carry ratio last year is amazing. Ealey’s ypc was better than Lattimore’s, and his td per rush was about the same as Latitmore’s.
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you do realize that that one fluke game vs Kentucky where he had 5 rushing TD’s skews the numbers right? he had 11 on the season and 5 in one game. he had 6 TD’s in the other 12 games combined. an incredible .5 TD per game. amazing!
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The problem with Washaun wasn’t lack of ability, it was attitude. He was poison. I really want to see how he does at JSU. Jack Crowe is not someone to trifle with. If WE acts up he will be off the team there, too.
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no argument here.
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Agree, no argument, Ealey beat Herschel Walker’s career ypc average. He’s definately not an “underperformer”
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SIGH.
What about Matt Stinchcomb’s 1 to 1 td to carry ratio? That means he’s 1,400% better than Ealey, right? Damarius Johnson got 10.2 ypc last year. So he’s 196% better than Ealey, right? I mean, Johnson should have been All-American and the Heisman winner since he had a better ypc than Herschel, Bo Jackson, Jim Brown, etc., right? Do you see how sometimes numbers without understanding can just make you sound stupid?
Herschel’s ypc number, and Lattimore’s for that matter, were better because they were the engine of their offenses. How many teams we played last year saw Ealey as our #1 weapon and game planned to stop him? Not many.
When Hershcel played, he was the primary weapon for UGA. There was no AJ on the outside. We didn’t even run 3 or 4 receiver sets to spread the field. We lined up in the I-formation, handed the ball to Herschel, and then lined up and did it 30 more times. If a defense stopped Herschel, they won the game. And they couldn’t stop him. Ealey has never had that kind of presence in a game. He wasn’t our primary weapon. Defenses didn’t key on him. Do you understand the difference here?
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Herschel had a 5.27 ypc carry av, Ealey’s at UGA was 5.4. That’s all there is to that.
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So are you saying that Stinchcomb’s 1400% better performance is better than Ealey or Herschel?
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Except that when Herschel played the defense absolutely, positively KNEW he was getting the ball…..and he still averaged over 5 yards a carry. Your comparison is ignorant and lazy.
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Don’t worry, Hackerdog. Everyone else here can understand the difference.
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No, I am saying 5.4 is better than 5.27 ypc. Really simple. And the 5.4 is Ealey, the 5.27 is Herschel Walker.
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Then Stinchcomb must be better than Ealey, right? The 1 for 1 TD ratio is Stinchcomb, and the whatever for whatever TD ratio is Ealey.
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I’m not buying it. See OT vs. Florida as exibit A. The entire left side of the line whiffed on the play Murray threw the pick.
Some idiot on College Football Live on ESPN yesterday was talking about how Searels’ arrival at Texas was such a great thing and would return toughness to their OL. I don’t get it. What did he do early in his career that gave him such a lasting strong impression. Is it because he screams and yells loud at practice? Because that get’s your attention at first but after a while you get numb to it. After a while you have to actually make the kids you’re coaching better.
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No, it’s because ESPN is on another witch hunt and trying to set up false mileposts in viewers’s minds. When Richt fails one of their posts then they really start the “hot seat” talk to rankle the fan base. Remember how they were toward Richt and the fans after Donnan was fired? They are still p oed that each year Richt is here he shows them up for the ninnys that they are.
JDawg is too young to see down the primrose path they are laying out. One more reason for them to try to diss Richt is because they are the big pushers of BS (both the school and their words).
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As always, I wish Dawg players the best when they matriculate. But I don’t believe Ben & Cordy are top NFL prospects – based upon past performance. Pushed around some poor teams, but weren’t very good against sec peers. I sure hope they prove me wrong and have a dominating 2011.
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You are correct, sir. We will cheer like hell for them to have an outstanding year knowing full well that they have yet to distinguish themselves as opposed to being better than average linemen.
Where is all this gloryhole crap coming from? I feel as if I just walked into a Republican convention.
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Will you please quit force feeding me this Kool Aid? I’ve been having a hard time finding my pessimistic side for about a week now.
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Completely unrelated Link. Jordan Jefferson has 43 pairs of Athletic shoes?
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec
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49 pairs not 43
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That’s nearly 1 pair a week to kick someone with over the course of a whole year!
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Couldn’t he have just designated one pair as his “kickin'” shoes? They gave him from Thurs. nite to Wed. to clean them. Why wasn’t he detained at 3:00AM, questioned and on the basis of witness testimony, they get his shoes that night?
Somethings rotten in Red Stick.
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“Eyewitness saw LSU’s Jefferson kick man in face”
If things keep going like this, the next eyewitness the Red Stick City Detectives’ Bureau digs up will say that Imelda shot a man in Reno just to watch him die
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I also was impressed with Searles ability when he had ittle to work with and had to juggle and band-aide the line each game. But the past 3 years have been just awful, yes, mostly the run blocking. I can count on one hand the number of big holes ever opened up for our backs, and short yardage plays were usually a big pile-up at, or behind the line of scrimmage. I like what I am hearing about the simplicity of the blocking scheme under Friend, I hope it is so.
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Witnessed the same as your eyes and felt the same way through it all. Searles is now being used by ESPN to further demonstrate (they think) that Richt cast off a good coach to cover for himself.
I also felt that Searles was placed in a bad spot becausew of numerous player injuries and suspensions. Other coaches were helping to patch up at the same time and it ended up affecting the entire team. Never seemed to get it together after that. Arguing on the sidelines during a game was the public culmination of his frustrations, but did him in where it mattered most, the alum eyes. The team is just now recovering from all the roiling that occurred. If we can get the trollers out of our business we all could heal more effectively.
This is the year we all need to be together with the team and coaches.
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I read as much as I could before scrolling down and have to say, Jdawg aint for real. No way. He just likes flaming or he’s retarded.
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So let’s get to solutions.
Why did the O-Line go so bad in 2010? It was the #1 most experienced line in the NCAA? Ealey & King returned at RB, as did Chapas & Munzie at Fullback & Green/Durham/Charles/King returned as receivers.
So why did we go from 1st in 2009 to 7th in 2010 in SEC in sacks allowed?
Why did we go 47th in 2009 in rushing to 73rd in 2010?
Why did we go from 16th in rushing in 2009 vs. ranked teams, to 74th in 2010?
What happened? Where did it go wrong? What does Richt need to fix specifically?
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The team, particularly the O-line and D-line, was out of shape. The cause was bad off-season conditioning and the elimination of 2-a-days in fall practice. The net effect was no holes for the backs to run through and the D couldn’t stop the run up the middle, both true particularly late in the game. CMR has figured that out and moved to fix those problems, although the number of 2-a-days is still too little IMHO.
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Out of shape, condition? Maybe, but here are some oddities.
1) Rush ypc went from 8th in SEC in 1st qrtr to 3rd in 2nd qrtr
2) Passing yard went form 6th in sec in 1st qrtr to 2nd in 3rd qrtr
3) Sacks went from 10th in SEC in 1st 4 games to 3rd in SEC in last 8 games
Why did the team get better over time in sacks, ypc, and passing yards?
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