Alex, I’ll take facts that get in the way of current narratives for $200.

Which present-day SEC coach owns the best career record against teams that finished the season with a winning record?

The answer is … Georgia’s Mark Richt.

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51 responses to “Alex, I’ll take facts that get in the way of current narratives for $200.

  1. Castleberry

    I think our record against the Jackets is helping that stat.

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    • D.N. Nation

      Take out Georgia Tech and Richt’s winning percentage is .578. So he’d only be tied for the conference lead.

      What this proves= Georgia was mostly very good from 2001-2008.

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      • Mayor of Dawgtown

        The 2009 team was 8-5. While it is not a championship season it ain’t chopped liver either. From where I sit that is looking pretty good.

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        • JG Shellnutt

          Are you satisfied with 8-5?

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          • Mayor of Dawgtown

            No, but I have to say that I thought the gnashing of teeth that season was pretty infantile. The sense of entitlement among some of our Dawg brethren can be quite off-putting sometimes. BTW that team had 1 game stolen from it by a call from an SEC crew of officials that was so bad that it ignited a national firestorm of criticism against SEC officiating which resulted in that same crew being suspended for a week after it engaged in similar bad calls the following week in the ARK-FLA game. That ’09 UGA team will always be 9-4 as far as I am concerned.

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    • GreenDawg

      You do know that other teams play OOC games, right?

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  2. 3rd Degree

    I’d love to hang with the guy who incorrectly answers: ‘Vill’ Muschamp. Pretty strong name for the gator leader.

    Vs and Ws are nowhere close to each other on the keyboard either. I like it.

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  3. JBJ

    Meaningless stat #342342. LSU (2), Florida (2), Alabama (1), Auburn (1). Those are the BCS champions from the SEC during the Richt era.

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    • Rick

      So single games are more informative than long term averages? Interesting.

      I also note that reigning BCS champions are 0-12 for championships the following year. Presumably, those were some pretty good teams. Perhaps more shockingly, reigning SEC champions are also 0-12 in the following year for the same time frame.

      Give me a good long term average, and the championships will sort them out in due time. The only problem is if Richt does indeed have a new (lower) long term average that he’ll be sticking to going forward, or if this is just a longish down cycle. At this point, I genuinely can’t tell.

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    • Derek

      Yep, pretty damn meaningless. Only Alabama and auburn had better records than CMR’s 2002 team, the rest also had one loss with the exception of lsu’s 2007 team (2 losses) that would gave been under dogs to us that year on a neutral field. A coach can’t control a NC only conference championships. Since he was hired only saban has more Titles (3) than CMR’s two. Only saban (4) has more division titles than CMR’s three. CMR also has the same number of national titles that Dooley had by year 11.

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      • Mayor of Dawgtown

        Really a coach can’t even control conference championships because every team doesn’t play every team. The luck of the schedule and who beats whom has as much to do with it as anything. if Vandy’s kicker gets a FG through the uprights or the dumbasses UK QB runs the ball into the endzone from 3 yards away instead of trying to pass, both against UT, the dawgs win the SEC East, probably the SEC Championship and quite possibly the BCSNC in 2007.

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  4. gj

    Man, Richt used to be really good.

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  5. James Stephenson

    I will take stirring the pot for 1000, Alex.

    Haha.

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  6. hasbeen

    I’m with Richt cuase I don’t see anybody else doing his job as well. This stat proves he still deserves our support.

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  7. MinnesotaDawg

    Just listened to today’s ESPNU College Football podcast. Todd McShay absolutely shreds Richt and the UGA coaching staff in previewing this week’s game. Based on conversation with a number of SEC coaches, he basically said that coaches are “not at all” concerned about preparing for Georgia from a scheme standpoint–they are vanilla and predictable. That coupled with a complete “lack of discipline and inability to make in-game adjustments on both side of the ball” point to lousy coaching. He also discusses some of UGA offensive line issues. Seriously, he sounded as disgusted as Georgia fans–pretty unusual for an “outsider” commentator.

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    • ZDawg

      Just damn.

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    • JG Shellnutt

      It just makes me sad. All of it. I want the dawgs to win and I want Richt to be responsible for it. I want him to do well. Heck I want Bobo to call a perfect game and redeem himself.
      Unfortunately they all just keep letting me down.

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      • MinnesotaDawg

        Yeah, me too. Your message well-describes the feelings of many Dawg fans. For justifiable reasons, hope and subsequent disappointment and pain is being/has been replaced with numbness and resignation. And following that is anger for depriving that original hope and anticipation. At some point, fans begin to fools for expecting something good to finally happen.

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  8. That Just Shows to Go You. To me the 81,82, 02, & 05 SECC Dawgs were just as good, just as exciting, just as much fun to watch, & just as much teams to be proud of, as the 1980 National Championship Team Was. The 83, 03, 04, & especially the 07 teams were also DGD Teams. The SECC not the MNC is what does it for me. A MNC would be great ( & Mythical):But , winning the SEC is REAL & definitely more imortant to me.

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  9. cousineddie

    Richt WAS no doubt a great coach when he first arrived. For some unknown reason he has fell off, to me that is the madening part. I really want to support Richt, I do not believe there is a better man as a coach in all football, but that is not his job. Like all other jobs you can be replaced for underperformance and I am afraid that is what is going to happen. I believe Richt is still a great coach but I believe he lost focus. I hope he can turn things around as I would like for Richt to stay.
    I believe he will losse to SC and MSU and win out , then what?

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  10. Dave

    Senator – what’s the trend over the last 3-4 years?

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  11. Fire Richt. He sucks. He forgot how to win. He has lost the team. He isn’t emotional enough. He isn’t as Good a coach as that heartless son of a bitch that coaches over in Tuscalooser……..blah….blah….blah. Kiss my ass.

    We may get a new coach next year, true enough. But speaking just for me…………I would like a new fan base right now. I have had it up to here…..( Red’s hands are 2 feet above his head.)

    I will now retire from the interwebs until further notice.

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    • Charles

      I feel ya.

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    • Rick

      +1

      The worst part is the impulse to make someone the villain, a role which neither Richt nor Bobo remotely fits. Grow the hell up. The worst that can be said is that right now the just aren’t very good at their job.

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      • ChicagoDawg

        Well stated. The over personalization of this deal says more about the maturity of the aggrieved than it does the coaching staff. Why can’t it be enough to say….they aren’t very good….they need to go….we need a change…etc., Oh well, too much to ask I guess.

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  12. Bus Jumping Energy Vampire

    It’s a fact that the team has been in a decline for several years now. Stick that in your narrative.

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  13. Kris

    Who has the best winning % the last five years against winning teams? I guarantee it isn’t Richt. For those of you who think there isn’t anybody better you’re crazy.

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  14. JG Shellnutt

    Stats like this get me excited at first and I think ‘oh great for coach richt’
    Then I remember it doesn’t translate into victories now. just means he HAS done well, but not that he IS doing well.

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  15. FourOFour

    These stats about Richt seem to become more and more a reach.

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  16. scott

    Richt was 0-6 in 2010 against teams that finished the season with a winning record. We did not beat a team that finished with a winning record.

    Richt was 4-5 in 2009 against teams that finished the season with a winning record.

    .363 winning percentage in 2009-2010.

    No doubt he was brilliant his first 5 seasons, but those nice stats are crashing. Lets hope he can recapture whatever it is he lost.

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  17. JasonC

    So are Nutt & Dooley on the hot seat too?

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  18. scott

    September 18, 2003 Atlanta Journal-Constitution,
    Athens — After Georgia’s defense opened the season with a 30-0 shutout at Clemson, Bulldogs coach Mark Richt was peppered with questions about how long he can keep defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder in Athens.
    “Maybe we should start having some 44-41 games so people will quit talking about him,” Richt said.

    LITTLE DID WE KNOW THAT RICHT WAS FORESHADOWING HOW OUR DEFENSE WOULD LOOK IN YEARS TO COME.

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  19. Faulkner

    Senator- that header is a BCS champ of blog title. I haven’t even taken the time to read the article or comments. You have been on a roll lately.

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  20. Career stats for Richt are worthless unless you also immediately break that down to first 5 years vs. last 5 years.

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    • JasonC

      How about this 9 year stretch?
      10-1
      9-2
      10-1
      9-1-1
      11-0

      8-2-1
      8-3
      6-5
      6-5-1
      Coach in decline. Time to get rid of him, right?
      The next year Bear Bryant went 11-1 to win the SEC.
      I’m not saying Richt is Bear Bryant, but the point is that all coaches have bad stretches. Bryant reinvented himself and won 9 more SEC titles and 3 more national titles. I don’t know if Richt will be able to regain what he had going before, but I hope he will.

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      • Turd Ferguson

        For better or worse, though, these are different times. Especially in the SEC, it seems. Patience is generally much thinner now than it was back then.

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  21. CB

    The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Bobo is just not very good.

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  22. Patrick

    Kind of surprised nobody has pointed out that those records are for each coach’s entire career. Richt started at UGA, other guys have their less than stellar records from Toledo, Oklahoma State, and La tech holding them back. A more telling stat would be the same stat but just using the coach’s tenure at current school.

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  23. W Cobb Dawg

    Did anyone tell CMR he was the sec’s winningest coach last week before he entered the dome? He needs reminding.

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