You know, it’s not like you couldn’t have helped, Justin.

There’s a certain amount of disconnected self-absolution on display here that’s almost a thing of beauty.

This from a guy who, while undeniably talented, was suspended at the start of the ’09 season for violating team rules.

I grow ever more amazed at Richt’s failure to have sensed the change in attitudes that affected the program over the past three or four years.  (Or, even worse, to have sensed it, but failed to act on it.)

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84 responses to “You know, it’s not like you couldn’t have helped, Justin.

  1. fuelk2

    I hope the follow up question to Houston was how many sacks he could have had if he played as hard as Jarvis Jones does.

    I hope I don’t ever see him on the sidelines in Athens in the future.

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  2. Haywood Jablome

    Justin Houston must have been an energy vampire.

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  3. Bulldog Bry

    Here’s your seat, Mr. Houston, right here in 37F. Enjoy.

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  4. gastr1

    Damn, Justin.

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  5. Joe

    Richt knew about attitudes etc…

    He would never openly say things bad about his coaches or players.

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  6. Rocksalt

    So what’s the opposite of a DGD?

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  7. WarDawg

    Et tu Brute?

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  8. Rocksalt

    You know, it’s guys like this that were talented but will ultimately fade down the memory hole. I hate to say it, but Stafford and Knowshon are heading down the same road. Not from an attitude perspective mind you, but just from a DGD-ness perspective. A dozen more years from now and mention of Greene and Shockley will elicit smiles and warm remembrances – some of these others, probably not so much. I can’t say all that though without mentioning that winning helps.

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    • 81Dog

      why would you say Matt Stafford isnt a DGD? Where has he ever done anything or said anything but praise the staff, boost UGA, recount how much he enjoyed his time in Athens? I dont get why so many people are so down on Stafford and/or his UGA-ness. The guy played hard in Athens. He got better every year. With a little luck, he could have been the QB of an SEC/BCS champion in 07. His 08 season wasn’t all that everyone hoped, but he wasnt exactly dogging it or a cancer, to put it mildly. He left a year early to be the number 1 pick in the NFL draft for 40 plus million guaranteed. Who can hold THAT against him?

      Matt Stafford was and is a DGD, if you ask me. Or if you don’t ask me.

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      • I never have and never will understand the vitriolic manner with which a lot of UGA fans regard Matthew Stafford. It’s not his fault he was stuck with the declining Willie Martinez defense for his three years and happened to be in school at the same time as Tim Tebow. Give the ’07 or ’08 team that ’03 defense and Stafford would be remembered as the guy that finally got UGA over the hump.

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        • Go Dawgs!

          Thank you. Folks, Matt had an opportunity to make a simply ridiculous amount of money which not only should set him for life, but also for future generations of his family. I love Georgia, but given the same chance, I’d take it, and so would you. Nothing is promised in this life, and certainly not behind the 2009 offensive line.

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          • Damon Evans

            I’ll echo the comments that defend Stafford.

            Also, consider the pathetic o-line he played behind.

            Stafford is all good in my book.

            I’d urge fans to think twice before throwing players under the bus.

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        • heyberto

          He seemed to suffer from a lack of personality, and I think that’s why he gets a bad rap. I think Richt and co. kept him pretty humble. Imagine the egomanian he would have become had he been under someone like the Corch?

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      • IveyLeaguer

        Stafford was/is a DGD.
        ~~~

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        • If I remember correctly there was a bit on ESPN about Stafford giving credit to the UGA coaches for how prepared he was for the NFL. I have never heard a negative word from him about UGA or any of the coaches. Many have mentioned the defenses while he was here but the offensive line was not all that great either. I think in 2007 there were three freshmen starters including his left tackle. The games they lost were early while the line found themselves. After that it was lights out.

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    • TomReagan

      I hear a lot of this from fans about Stafford and Moreno and I don’t know why. Both of them busted their asses every game. Just cause their teammates coasted on their backs doesn’t mean they aren’t good Bulldogs.

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      • Jimmy the Saint

        “Both of them busted their asses every game.”
        —————-
        Moreno pulled some major disappearing acts.

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        • I myself have hung out with Stafford on several occasions. He does not have a personality problem. He also frequents Amici’s in Athens quite often, to where he tips big, signs autographs, and takes time for a few picture ops here and there. Is always nice, is always cordial. For god sakes people, he came down in the spring and helped raise money in the ‘QB Challenge’. Get off of ’em.

          http://www.hailltothee.com

          -Inspector G

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    • Vincent

      I seem to remeber a few games where Stafford took the team on his back and willed them to a win in spite of his retard teammates’ and Willie’s best efforts to lose the game, 08 Kentucky comes quickly to mind.

      Guy’s a DGD and I don’t understand why he gets all the rap for being a prima donna.

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      • Rocksalt

        Okay, just now getting back to the thread. Do I get bonus interweb points for lighting a fire?

        Anyway, I think I was just getting to the point that there will be players who had all the talent in the world, but won’t go down in history the same way that guys who didn’t legitimately crack the next level will.

        I think Stafford and Moreno were great talents – and are – but I just don’t think they’ll have DGD staying power like the likes of Greene, Shockley, et al.

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        • ACM

          Yeah, they won’t have as much DGD staying power as Greene and Shockley because they never won as big as they did (SEC champions). But that’s not because they aren’t DGD’s, it’s simply because they never won any championships like Green and Shockley did. But look, I always see a lot of people talking about Garrison Hearst, Hines Ward, Champ Bailey. Not because they won any rings, but because they played hard and well, gave it their all (at UGA and in the pros) and have been great and proud ambassadors for Georgia, just like 7 and 24.

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  9. Normaltown Mike

    Ouch.

    FWIW, wasn’t it Charles Grant that left Georgia with some backhanded compliment like “yeah, we knew we were great but we never won that much…”

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    • Will (The Other One)

      Given the results Donnan got with the talent on hand in 2000 (every starter on that D was on an NFL team at some point), I have to say Charles was right.

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  10. Justin

    Re: Richt and missing the change in attitude; isn’t it something like not realizing your kids have “suddenly” grown two inches? Changes are slow enough so that you don’t notice them happening

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  11. very disappointed by Justins remarks–there are probably 25 schools hoping we make the mistake of letting CMR go.Every rival I talk to wishes they had such a man.

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  12. Coastal Dawg

    This from a guy that blew his first round draft status by hitting the weed instead of training? You hit it on the head Senator. What was your contribution, Mr. Houston?

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  13. CarolinaDawg

    Man, here’s hoping that some DGD on another team plants his ass in the middle of the field. O, will you lookie there, the Chiefs play the Lions this week. Maybe Stafford can throw up 400 and give a shout out to CMR for helping him get there.

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  14. heyberto

    The fact that he’s one of the few former players who speak ill of Coach Richt after their time in Athens tells you he never bought in to what the coaches were selling. A great talent that fell short because of character issues. I bet this kid would have fit in well in Gainesville. Certainly wouldn’t have missed more than half a game as a result of his behavior there.

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  15. Krautdawg

    Eh, had I spent at least 3 years taking orders from Willie, I might not be a supporter of the man who kept Willie in charge. Still wouldn’t have said so to a newspaper man, though.

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    • gastr1

      Yes, well, that’s kind of it right there, isn’t it? It’s the public statement that is inappropriate, not the sentiment.

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    • fuelk2

      Eh, he actually spent his last year taking orders from Grantham, who made him an NFL first rounder until he decided to get high instead.

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      • Krautdawg

        Good point, fuel. Houston’s a great OLB fit for the 3-4, but then again he wasn’t bad as a DE either (more tackles & sacks than Geno Atkins in 2009). Besides, try generating a pass rush when Bryan Evans has left a wideout completely uncovered, with plenty of cushion. If you’re talking about removing the entire QB pressuring responsibility from one man, I’ll agree that Grantham “made” Justin Houston.

        Besides, as Bulldog fans, shouldn’t we be behind a man who, no matter how high he got, was “in the arena” to a degree we’ll never experience?

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  16. Russ

    Petty. Obviously didn’t buy into the program.

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  17. The disconcerting thing is he’s not alone. How long has Pollack been running off at the mouth about problems with the program? Did we really have that many self-centered bad eggs in the locker room, because some prominent players you’d think would be supporting their former coach, aren’t.

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    • Will (The Other One)

      Are you really claiming Pollack’s a bad egg for not being happy with the declining returns we’ve had? Really?

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    • Complaining about the program is one thing. Calling for Richt to be replaced is another.

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      • ACM

        Especially since Pollack is now a member of the media and is expected to give his unbiased opinion. I mean, don’t we all make fun of Lou Holtz for always talking on ESPN about how ND and South Carolina are bound to be title contenders every year.

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        • BMan

          The difference betwwen J. Houston and D. Pollack in this regard is primarily this: the shit didn’t go downhill on Pollack’s watch. What I think the Senator’s point is chiefly is that Houston is saying things have been declining the last few years and acting like he wasn’t here or in a position to have helped prevent it.

          Pollack gave everything on every play, and maximized his talent. He took what was likely 2nd round talent and hustled his way into the 1st round. Houston took 1st round talent and toked his way to the 2nd round.

          Plus, as has been mentioned, as a member of the media, he’ssupposed to comment on things. Houston could have opted to keep his big tweet shut.

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          • What I think the Senator’s point is chiefly is that Houston is saying things have been declining the last few years and acting like he wasn’t here or in a position to have helped prevent it.

            Yup.

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  18. Austintwo

    Wonder if JH knew these comments were “on the record” – or are tweets considered “off the record”? Did this appear in an article too, or are we beyond that now and Twitter is enough? (I’m grasping at straws here, but have to admit the kid doesn’t seem a real DGD)

    Wasn’t this the kid who laughed in Urban’s face on his trip to FU when Urban was making his closing pitch? That still counts for something with me.

    I wonder how many of the guys on the team now share his thoughts about Coach Richt – dude was just on the team last year, he’s gotta be close to lots of guys and I’m sure he didn’t just think this up last week.

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  19. DawgPhan

    Justin who?

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  20. Turd Ferguson

    I really don’t understand most of the comments here. Former players aren’t allowed to suggest that the program might be better off (in at least certain respects) with different leadership? Maybe the guy just genuinely wants the best for Georgia, and doesn’t believe that’s Mark Richt. And for that, we’re all going to essentially ignore the fact that, for two whole seasons, he was pretty much the lone bright spot on our defense? If “not buying into the program” is what resulted in him recording double-digit sacks, then maybe the system is the problem.

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    • I personally don’t have any problem with his sentiment, but airing it out in public with the media is bad form. The timing of his statement at this point the season can only hurt Georgia, so I’m not buying that he only wants what’s best for the program.

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    • Being put into a position (athletically or otherwise) to generate those sacks is one thing. Showing yourself to be an irresponsible (pre-draft nonsense) and a pretty classless guy is another. Timing is everything. He can say whatever he wants and whether he is right or not is yet to be seen, but just because he had double digit sacks for us doesn’t mean his opinion should carry weight. Let the record this year do that. There was this one coach at UGA named Dooley I do beleive that had a pretty rough 3-4 years in the late 70’s and he won some sort of championship??? or something???? Buehler?

      -Inspector G

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      • Turd Ferguson

        Wow, you sure seem to know a hell of a lot about Justin Houston … based upon, what, two decisions of his … only one of which was clearly, objectively stupid (and he’s since admitted as much).

        As I said, for basically two whole seasons, he was the one bright spot on our defense. During that stretch, every single Georgia fan I talked to couldn’t praise the guy enough. But he dares suggest that the program might be better off with someone new (a sentiment apparently echoed by the majority of college football fans and analysts … even many Georgia fans), and all the sudden, everyone’s like, “Meh, I never thought he was all that good.”

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  21. 2011-dante22000

    We get it judas…is the old”i’d never join a place, that would take people like me” routine. Coach Richt has your back .

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  22. Dave

    Wow – even from a guy who largely agrees with Justin, it is kind of shocking coming from someone less than a year removed from the “arena”. I won’t say anything negative about Justin’s play like others as I don’t know the odds and ends of every play of his career, but yeah, this is kind of surreal. Here’s to hoping for 10-2 and a shot at Alabama/LSU, gruesome as that may be.

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  23. philomath

    The senator nailed it with, “disconnected self-absolution”…potential side affect of a pot induced fog …?

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  24. CarolinaDawg

    Is anybody else excited that we get to hear the CBS college football theme song tomorrow. ESPN has a good one but I cant help but pour some bourbon when I here Verne. Sorry but im already ready for the meteor game.

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  25. ugafish

    LOL, chances are we do need a new coach, so he is just speaking the truth, and yall attack his character? Ridiculous.

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    • Ray

      Posting at 4:30 in the morning, I’ll chalk that up to not having your first cup of coffee. I don’t think I read where anyone said his opinion was wrong, just that he shouldn’t be saying that to the media. Imagine getting into an fight with you you family. Would you be pissed if your family members started complaining about you on facebook?

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  26. simpl_matter

    Et tu, Puffapotamus?

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  27. The Original Cynical in Athens

    Pretty funny that everyone wants to kill a 22 year-old kid for telling the truth. While it seems easy to dismiss Houston as a kid who was not a team guy, let’s not forget that he was being Kiate Tripp-ed until Grantham showed up. Houston never complained publically about being moved to OLB in a 4-3, even though that was a total waste of his skill set.

    Don’t you all understand that these kids are simply settling for Georgia right now? Pretty much any kid coming to UGA out of HS knows that he can come to Athens, coast for 4 years and not have to work very hard.Houston’s sentiments are likely shared by many of the players on the current roster who realize that their leadership is FAILING them as players.

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  28. Ricky Hammond

    On the subject of Stafford, he was the best QB UGA has ever had. NO defense and no OL. If he had been QB when Green was a senior we would have probably won the NC.

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