The ACC: It’s a football conference! It’s a basketball conference!

If anyone can figure out what these guys are up to, let me know.

That’s one helluva commute from Miami to upstate New York.  On the other hand, I’m not sure the NCAA has to host a men’s lacrosse tournament anymore, as the ACC’s will be awesome with the addition of Syracuse.

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42 responses to “The ACC: It’s a football conference! It’s a basketball conference!

  1. Bulldog Joe

    I see an ACC North / South split coming soon with the ACC South looking a lot like the old ACC.

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  2. Biggus Rickus

    They already had BC. Syracuse isn’t that much further away. I wonder what this means for the potential addition of Va. Tech to the SEC.

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    • ChicagoDawg

      BC is further away. I see this whole deal as a dilution rather than addition and the SEC would do well to not match action with action just because the herd is getting spooked. The pool of dollars that TV is bringing is not likely to grow in the aggregate any more than it otherwise would. New households are not being created nor are new fan bases sprouting from the ether. This all about new division of the same dollars — moved from one conference to another. The SEC has to ask themselves — does WV contribute an amount that is equal to or greater than what the current 12 members are bringing (13 if you include TAMU)? There is no way that this can be the case.

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      • Biggus Rickus

        I’m pretty sure the new TV deal will cover any additions. The current deal is a little less than other major conference deals that have been made since. I’m guessing each school will end up with $22 million or more with expansion.

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        • ChicagoDawg

          I am sure it will be more, but no way is the pro rata share going to be higher because they WV — if not then they should not add them. No reason to believe WV adds more value than the average per team contributes.

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  3. TennesseeDawg

    Now Syracuse and Pitt can suck in a different conference.

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  4. JBJ

    A move by UGA to the ACC could be very good for us. The level of competition is lower overall than the SEC which would almost ensure we were competing for a BCS bowl bid every year.

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  5. Mayor of Dawgtown

    The ACC adding Pitt and Syracuse is a perfect fit for the that conference. Both schools have very good basketball programs and the ACC is probably the best basketball conference in major college athletics. Both Pitt and ‘Cuse have historically good but not great football programs which fits in well with the ACC being good but not great in football thoughout the conference. Both are reputable academic institutions but not so much as to be a threat to the Dukes and UVAs of the conference. Also, Pitt and ‘Cuse are “indians” and not “chiefs.” The ACC has enough chiefs already. Adding a school like Texas just makes life difficult for everybody else in the conference because a Texas would want to dominate the conference financially as well as athletically. Good for you ACC. I predict more will be joining the ACC. If Auburn and Bama keep on cheating and the SEC continues to do nothing about it maybe UGA should approach Florida and both teams should consider jumping to the ACC as well. I have always thought that academically we fit in better with UNC, Wake Forest, Duke and UVA than with Auburn, Bama, LSU and Mississippi State. The other plus would be that we would get to ditch Penn Wagers and the other crooked SEC refs.

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    • Hogbody Spradlin

      Mayor, I don’t want to fit with UNC, Duke, and UVA and their eternal twenty somethings preening about how much smarter they are. I’m just fine with the diploma thrown into my car as I stopped (well slowed down) on a hot day in Athens.

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      • AusDawg85

        Hog, that’s either a typo and you meant Auburn, not Athens or them is fighting words.

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        • Carolinadawg

          He’s referring to an old joke frequently told by the late Lewis Grizzard which went, “Some people say Georgia is such a bad school that if drive through Athens with your window down, they’ll throw a diploma in your car. That ain’t true…you got to stop.”

          Obviously, UGA has raised their academic standards considerably in the last 30 years or so. I was admitted in 1978, and would have no chance of getting admitted today.

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        • Gomer Pyle Spradlin

          Aus, I meant Athens. And I quote from Lewis Grizzard, who was heard to say: “It’s not true that they’ll throw a diploma in your car while you’re driving through Athens. You have to stop.” I love my Bulldogs as much as anybody, but when I went there (late 70’s) you could pretty walk up and enroll.

          I think too many people in this country have a hangup over (i) where’d you go to college, and (ii) what was your class rank. True intelligence and judgment are much more than that. I may have a chip on my shoulder on that subject. Sheesh, you should hear my relatives in New Jersey. But I’ve seen plenty of smart young folks with fancy degrees look foolish.

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    • Bulldog Joe

      Pitt and Syracuse are leaving the best basketball conference in college athletics.

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  6. No interest here with UGA leaving the SEC. But, UGA,UF, & Vandy would fit better Academically with the ACC than they do with the rest of the SEC.

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  7. Carolinadawg

    Why the snark? It’s pretty obvious what the ACC is “up to”. College sports are moving rapidly towards four, 16-team super conferences and they want to make sure they are of part of that. The ACC is making the best deal they can, same as every other major conference.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see some moves like Kentucky and Vandy to the ACC and FSU and Clempson to the SEC before the dust settles.

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    • Nobody’s leaving the SEC.

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      • Mayor of Dawgtown

        I agree it probably won’t happen but UK and Vandy are really basketball schools and the ACC is, at bottom, a basketball conference. Plus, both of those schools would be much more competitive in football if they were in the ACC rather than getting drilled regularly by SEC foes.

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      • Carolinadawg

        By some measures, UK and Vandy definitely qualify as a nobody. 🙂

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      • Carolinadawg

        Maybe not, but once the dust settles, it won’t matter (monetarily) what conference you’re in, only that you’re in one of the conferences. Schools will seek out other schools who are similar.

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        • Mayor of Dawgtown

          While we are on this subject, I have always thought that Kentucky would be an attractive fit for the Big 10. UK is one of the top basketball schools in the country, traditionally the best in the SEC. UK brings the basketball resume plus it would be more competitive in football in the Big 10. UK probably could beat over half of the Big 10 teams in football. Academically, Kentucky is adequate for the academic snobs of the Big 10 while not threatening to the Northwesterns and Michigans. Finally, looked at a map lately? Lexington, Kentucky and Lexington is right there with ’em geographically. We always think that being a member of the SEC is so attractive that nobody would ever want to leave. That may be true but money talks, too. We may find out that some of our members may not be as happy as we always have thought. Just sayin.’

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          • Xon

            The SEC is where the money is. That’s why (I assume) the Senator said nobody’s going to leave.

            Our current tv contract is undervalued, but that will be fixed when it can be.

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            • Carolinadawg

              That’s true now, but if in fact the new structure is four 16 member conferences, I expect them to negotiate a new contract as a single entity, making one’s conference affiliation mute point.

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  8. donkeydawg

    Chicken and egg query: Anyone have an idea whether the smart ACC gambit of the vote to raise the exit fee for ACC teams to a prohibitive level was the result of sentiment that existing SEC teams would block FSU, Miami and Clemson from defecting, or a preemptive step against such a defection? Either way, the Big East obviously couldn’t muster that sort of support, which is why it is on the edge of expiring. And it denied the SEC not only a shot at the presumably vetoed schools, but also a chance at VaTech.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if West Virginia fans wanting to preserve their rivalry games with Pitt and Maryland (not to mention a superior BB league) started a campaign to become the 15th or 16th ACC team instead of the 14th SEC team. Don’t know what options that might leave the SEC, but it’s beginning to look like the ACC is out-maneuvering the SEC. That would become even clearer in the event–strange but apparently a real possibility–Texas joins the ACC.

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    • Hogbody Spradlin

      Donkey, I just can’t see Texas joining anything where it doesn’t call the tune. To me, the ACC’s move is to add a couple of good basketball and Yankee sport schools, and strengthen their TV market in their core sport, basketball. The ACC may be wise enough not to try and outmaneuver the SEC in football, thus trying to solidify it’s basketball revenue.

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  9. Hogbody Spradlin

    As long as population keeps growing in the same direction as now, and as long as the SEC stays at the top of the heap with home grown players, I can’t see why the SEC should be in a big hurry to add schools. A candidate has to be a natural fit, have an SEC type love of football, be close enough for reasonable trips, and add a discrete TV market. The SEC could fetch a quite lucrative TV contract, in a world of super conferences, without adding anybody.

    Those reasons are why Texas A&M is a natural fit, but we can’t find anybody else suitable right now. FSU and Clemson seem like natural fits, but they don’t add any TV revenue, and their in state rivals have justifiable objections. Keep an eye on Oklahoma and/or Oklahoma state.

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  10. BMan

    And now the WWL is reporting that the PAC 12 is adding Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, but that nothing is final yet.

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    • Mayor of Dawgtown

      Think about this: You are Colorado and you get the hell out of the Big 12 because you are sick of getting stomped by Texas and Oklahoma every time you play them and feel that you can more effectively compete with the likes of UCLA and Cal. You also have now opened a door to California, Oregon and Washington for recruiting purposes for all your sports and exposure to possible future students from those states. Things are so rosy you are beside yourself. Wait–what’s this? The PAC 12 is now going to let Texas and Oklahoma in, too! And the divisions will undoubtedly be east-west so–guess what? You are in the East with Texas and Oklahoma, plus Okie State (which passed you athletically due to that damn Billionaire). You are basically in the same situation as before only now you are in the same side of the conference with THEM! Best case you are going to be the 4th or 5th best program in the East half–and you hardly ever get to play those softees from the west coast. Why did you leave in the first place? Ain’t Karma a bitch!

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