“A lot of people give Coach Bobo a lot of [grief] for playcalling, but we were scoring over 30 points a game mostly, and a lot of the time we weren’t executing it,” Murray said. “If fans could only go back and know what we were looking at when we were watching film, they would see that Coach Bobo did a great job putting us in a great position to make plays and score points and we just weren’t executing when we needed to.”
Yeah, there’s a lot of happy talk in that article, but I’m encouraged to see that Murray is aware he has to improve his footwork. (Contrary to what Low suggests, it wasn’t that hard to see when Murray struggled with his mechanics last year.) That being said, it’s not just about drills. It’s about Murray being able to trust his offensive line and backs to keep pressure off him long enough to get off a properly thrown pass. That’s a level of trust that won’t be easy to build quickly.
Then again, I don’t know what you do with this Coxian comment:
“I don’t know what my problem is. I really just enjoy contact. I grew up playing defense so I kind of miss the whole hitting and stuff like that, so it’s kind of hard for me. But I definitely think it’s something I need to work on this offseason.”
Do you ever think Mark Richt gets frustrated? I think Mark Richt gets frustrated.
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I still don’t understand how the outright division between coaching and execution is so plausible to many of us.
How is it that coaches are not responsible for how players execute and perform their gameplans/plays?
Military brass is responsible for the performance of troops, in addition to responsibilities for strategy. Many of us have responsibility for the execution of our underlings in the office, even when we’ve drawn up the perfect pitch or the perfect strategy.
Yes – coaches call plays and design gameplans. But coaches also teach execution, design drills and practices to develop execution, etc.
I understand that ultimately execution is in the hands of the players, but getting players ready for that is ultimately in the hands of the coaches.
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Murray indicates that Bobo indeed got him ready, so what should we take away from that?
The problem I’m having with the line you attempt to draw (“execution is in the hands of the players, but getting players ready for that is ultimately in the hands of the coaches”) is that I don’t always know what we’re supposed to look at to tell the difference. Just saying it’s not always the player’s fault isn’t helpful.
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I don’t want to speak for Bevo but here’s how I view it. You can’t blame or credit coaches for the development of a single play or player. each data point has a variance from the trend. However, a large sample of plays or players under a coach’s responsibility ARE an accurate reflection of the coach and the job he is doing. So to use an example, if one of our o-linemen misses a block, or if one o line recruit fails to develop. That may or may not be Will Friend’s fault. However, if a lot of our o-linemen consistently miss blocks or fail to develop. THAT would be Will Friend’s fault because in the latter situation Will is failing to either recruit the right guys, develop them, or both. Same thing for if our O-linemen are consistently great you would credit Will for that. (Note: this does not necesarily hold true for programs without resources to attract talent but Georgia does not fall into that category)
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I get that part of it. It was easy to tell how much worse Jancek was as a linebackers coach than VanGorder was, as fundamentals across the board fell off in his first season.
But it’s a lot harder to judge that with quarterbacks. First of all, the sample size is much smaller. Second, not every quarterback has the same style or same strengths and weaknesses. So in Murray’s case, how do we tell what’s his fault and what’s Bobo’s?
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If I recall correctly, we heard a lot of talk about being prepared and in the right position yet failing to execute from Martinez and his defensive players.
I think the “failed to execute” line means “I did my job right, but the players just didn’t get the job done.” I don’t like that. In my opinion, the coach should be putting them in the best possible position to succeed. There are lots of easy analogies to make my point here, but really what I’m saying is… If you’re calling the right plays but they (somehow) just don’t work out… well, maybe you’re not calling the right plays. Or maybe you’re not teaching them how to execute properly. Or you’re asking too much of them (Our playbook is notoriously large and difficult, and we cross-train players all the time, all over the place).
I’m not saying Bobo is a huge disaster or anything, but we did hear the “the players failed to execute” excuse before with Martinez. Grantham doesn’t seem to have that same problem.
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Absolutely. And we got a good dose of “failed to execute” from the offensive staff after the bowl game loss to explain why the repeated attempts to run the ball up the gut without any glimmer of success were actually good play calls.
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Yes and Grantham’s D players took responsibility for letting MSU go the length of the field (almost) and score the winning points. Drawing a difference between responsibilities of players/ coaches according to whether they are O or D is just wrong, folks.
Didn’t anyone see the second half of the SECCG? That was mostly on Grantham’s D. We don’t need to be trying to indict coaches and players for playing the game, but to go after the O because you don’t like the plays called is downright silly. Again in the Boise St game we saw injury affect the D such that two of the best players on the field played little and they felt if they had been in the game, they could have made the difference. Blame Grantham that they can’t stay healthy? Don’t think so. Blame Sturdivant and other injured O linemen for not being healthy in games? How? Beginning with and during Sturdivant’s first injuries, other linemen had injury problems that exascerbated line play problems, hence the big push to cross-train(which didn’t come about as a philosophy, but rather an attempt to prevent line erosion from going further) .
Murray is taking responsibility for how Murray plays. He should be applauded that he didn’t use the line or receivers as an excuse. Frankly, I thought the Murray-bashers would jump right in, but I guess it’s too early for many GNATS to get on here.
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^^This^^ As a coach, putting players in the right position to succeed is imperative. If the player fails to execute, that’s on the player(s). But if you see that certain players are incapable of executing consistently (say, your right tackle, or injured running back, or scambling qb) then the COACHES have to make adjustments.
In all of the arguments I see here, Bobo certainly can take credit for when things go right, but when they go wrong, is he the best coach to work the kids through a crisis? Put another way, do you even have a doubt about CTG’s ability in this area? And the biggest question of all…is CMR cool under fire?
No question Grantham knows how to adjust when things to wrong. Bobo…I think this is where his lack of experience outside of UGA hurts him. Nothing to draw upon. CMR is the curious one the last few seasons. Early in his career, he was Cool Hand Luke. But stuff like the Michigan St. game last year is head-scratching for sure.
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I have wondered how much of our offensive playcalling is the result of our inconsistent line play the last few years. It seems like our o-line has been a constant rollercoaster ever since Sturdivant went down that first time. In my mind, that definitely points to a deficiency in recruiting and/or development. Hopefully that gets fixed with a quickness.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Friend specifically call out our line for being “soft” at some point last year? It seems like we ran a lot more shotgun last year. Maybe our emphasis on a pass-heavy shotgun attack was Bobo’s reaction to the perceived “softness” of our line and their inability to sustain a power running game.
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There was a TON of shotgun plays in 2011. UGA looked like a different team, in fact.
Unfortunately, that was the formation most of the tailback carries came from, with obviously putrid results. The most glaring exception was the FU game, and we all remember fondly those second half, straight-ahead runs from the power-I.
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What should we take away from a player saying his coach got him ready for a game? Well, honestly, not much. I’d be shocked if he said anything else.
You’re right that my point isn’t particularly helpful, but for that matter neither is the point I was questioning, which is essentially says “execution problem = no fault by coaches”.
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If the coaches are putting the team through the proper type and number of reps in practice for perfect execution to become second nature, and the players still go out and stink it up on that front during games, then it is up to the coaches to replace the offending players with others that will execute the plays like they are supposed to.
Frankly though, I think the idea that players who are put through their proper paces during practice to the point where they don’t even have to think about what they have to do will turn around and not do it during games is about a 99% impossibility.
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Since they had the best uninjured players on the field, how do you get into an athletic lineman’s head who continually gets offside? Send in an injured player or wait for him to get over the jitters? Some of you write as if to make others not use their eyes or brains in making a differing conclusion about the same play or player. Some write as if the coaching staff is ignorant and can’t tell who their best players are after watching them train away secretly from our eyes for months.
I would like for coach and player detractors to work up another game; i.e., Bama and LSU, for player/coach exortation during either game they played last year. I can easily find the same “problems” to counter your arguments against individuals and coaches at UGA.
When the entire team isn’t held responsible and with the same lantern lifted to look for the truth, it just tears the fabric of TEAM. They all are responsible as a team for the outcome of the game.
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And on the same standard, Bobo deserves a lot of credit for the consistent and quality execution of his QBs during his time as OC/QB coach.
With respect to the consistent issues on offensive line and our weak performances/turnovers against quality defenses over the years, that’s another question, and an issue for Bobo and Richt to figure out.
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Bobo does do a good job with QBs. The problem is that maddening 3rd and Bobo draw play. We can tell that the coaches have given up on the drive. Coaches giving up on any drive tells the players it is OK to give up too…therein lies the problem.
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And too many first and bomb calls, as well. Of course we all love it when they work.
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I blame both of them anyway unless they prove otherwise. They seem seem lost in very close games.
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HUTSON MASON!!!!
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What the articles/blogs usually fail to mention is the fact that Bobo routinely utilizes the play-action in obvious passing downs. When it’s 3rd and equal to/greater than 5, why ask Murray to turn his back to the defense for half of the play and ask a usually suspect offensive line to have to block longer to sell the fake? Not to mention, this is often done with a fairly weak running game (a strong running game is necessary to properly sell the PA – yet we seem to run PA first and THEN try to run the ball [Michigan State]). I’d be willing to bet a couple of Joe Cherryshinksis this fall that our common opponents’ defensive coordinators tell their players not to bite on our PA during the obvious passing downs…
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I am sure that DC tell their players to never fall for the PA, that doesnt mean they dont bite…Most of the time you are only hoping to get a split second of hesitation from the PA to make it effective, you dont need the safety running downhill towards the line to make a PA fake work.
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This raises an interesting point: we’ve got one crowd arguing we run the ball too much on third down (third and Bobo) and another crowd saying we play action off of run too much on third down. Which is it guys?
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This is my biggest problem with Bobo haters. Extremely inconsistent in their arguments.
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My gripe is not at all that we’ll throw or run on 3rd…I would just like to see us throw it in an obvious passing down with the PA. I don’t mind winging it around, I just feel like the PA is used so much is almost like a ‘never cry wolf’ situation.
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CORRECTION: I would just like to see us throw it in an obvious passing down WITHOUT the PA…my bad.
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So what do you make of all these folks who claim we “run it up the middle with the small guy” every third and long? To me, that gives the impression Bobo is mixing it up pretty well if half the folks think we run too much and half the folks think we PA pass too much. I get your point. You’d rather straight drop than PA. However, I think my point stands.
And once you conisder half these people are expecting us to run on third and long, wouldn’t it make sense to PA off that expection?
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Checking last year’s stats, on third-and-seven or more, Georgia ran the ball 53 times and passed the ball 62 times.
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On 3rd and long…a pass play with PA or without, is still at least trying to get the first down. Trying and not making it I can and will accept. Giving up on the drive and calling that draw play that has worked twice in 650 attempts is unacceptable. If my wife can tell the coaches quit on a drive–do you think the players don’t? Hell man, if you are going to go down…at least go down swinging.
Further if they have to play for the punt anyway–why not save the time on the clock and just punt it on 3rd down? The result is the same and they save a lick on whoever happens to be the smallest healthy back. It is a win-win.
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Honestly man, I’ve never coached so I can’t assure you this is 100% accurate, but I think a lot of NFL coaches opt to run on third and long to just try and pick up some yards, which are a very valuable asset in the game of field position. It’s a calculated decision based on the assumption your defense is going to hold. Richt’s success has always come with a good defense, and field position is important when you have a good D.
Maybe Bluto can help me with the stats here, but just on my eyeball test I’d bet LSU and Bama did a fair amount of running on thrid and long last season and they had a bit of success. I think Richt learned early on to win in in the SEC you have to play field position, and he’s incorporated that into his philosophy. You aren’t going to have much success on third and long even if you are the 2007 Patriots, so why not increase your odds of having better field position on the next drive? Even if it’s a miniscule advantage, it’s an advantage none the less.
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Makes sense…but you might gain more than a net 3 yards on the opposition’s unpreparedness to return a 3rd down punt. Or at least force them to burn a time out.
I’m no coach either but I would think, if you are only hoping to get 2 or 3 yards, you would bring in your biggest back and run him in the middle. If you bring in the little backs, I’d think you’d have better luck on the outside.
I would like to know the actual yardage on that draw play. Believe me I get field position…and in the pros 3 yards might make a difference. In college I think it is more like a 10 or 12 yard swing that makes a difference.
Just my opinion of course–
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Just mine too. Completely unscientific on my part. Agreed there’s probably a bit less importance on field position in college than pros due to disparity in level of competition. In fact I’d probably say we should pass more too in those situations. Just pointing out where I suspect CMR/Bobo are coming from. Not saying I totally agree with the philosophy. I just feel the criticism is a bit overblown, especially when you consider the inconsistent directions it’s coming from.
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Right on point, Puffdawg.
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“Well then, what’ll it be young feller? If’n I freeze I can’t rightly drop, and if’n I drop I’m a-gonna be in motion.”
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“Do you ever think Mark Richt gets frustrated?” I think we actually have a data point here. Approximation of Richt’s quote on Murray’s first, completely unforced interception against Michigan State: “he didn’t have to make that throw; he had a lot of green in front of him.”
Interesting thing here is, we don’t know if Alabama players persist in these sorts of fancy. One assumes that Saban would crush Murray’s dreams of contact within a week of arrival because Nick Saban Has None Of Our Problems. But we’ll never know, because we’ll never *hear* about Bama players’ questionable preferences. Might be a good idea to keep Murray away from the mic for a while.
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Its awful windy in here.
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Win as a team, lose as a team…Murray puts up big numbers against teams where the OL dominates the other teams DL…take a look at the loses last year: Mich St, Sth Car, Boise St, LSU, all of their DL’s handled the OL and pushed them around…good teams, w/ good coaching have dominated this coaching staff going back to the Joe Cox year…how is it that you can bring in a game changer like CTG and he has the boys firing on all cylinders, yet the offense is stuck in the same ol’ rut…hopefully, Will Friend can do for the OL what CTG has done for the D…if he does, this team will win, Bobo will look like a genius, and Murray will look all world…Snake out
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Speaking only for myself, I am concerned that we are wasting an incredible talent at QB, much like we wasted an incredible talent at WR with AJ. I am one who believes that Aaron is really good and has been held back.
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I fail to see how AJ’s talent was wasted, not with the numbers he put up. If anything he became kind of a crutch for Murray. I don’t blame the young QB for that, it’s a real comfort to have a guy that catches anything within ten feet of him, but when a guy is double or triple covered and an AAron White is running across the middle wide open it may be better to take option number two.
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By “the numbers he put up” did you mean 8-5 and 6-7, the W/L record for the team AJ’s final 2 seasons? That’s what I was talking about. As for Murray, wasted to me means 16-11 after 2 seasons behind a line that can’t/won’t block and a non-existent running attack.
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No Sir, by the numbers he put up I mean damn near one thousand yds as a true freshman. You can’t say ws and ls are due to a WR or a QB. Murray got him the ball. AJ did the best he could after he caught the damn ball. Did Bama waste Julio? His stats were less than Aj’s. How in the hell can a WR win a SEC by himself? What you said was stupid.
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Shane, you missed my point entirely. AJ was great. Murray is great, too IMHO. Guys like that win championships. When Herschel Walker showed up he put UGA on top. How good would Georgia have been even with Herschel Walker if the O-line wouldn’t/couldn’t block or if the D wouldn’t/couldn’t stop anybody? Would that have been a waste of Herschel’s talents? AJ was a WR almost as good at his position as Herschel was at his–a once in a generation skill receiver yet his final 2 years the Dawgs had a record of 14-12. Why? Because we had a bad DC and bad D position coaches in ’09 and an O-line that wouldn’t/couldn’t block in ’10. That is wasting a great talent–AJ. I am afraid the same thing is happening to Murray.
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Who led the sec last year in many statistical categories?
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So far, I think you may be the only to recognize the problem.
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Snake, while agreeing with your statements, the games you listed all had quotes from Grantham as to how the D contributed to the loss. And they were honest. In some cases, he was backed up by individual players, just as Murray backs Bobo’s statements. I don’t understand why some can’t see it all as a wash instead of pulling the team loyalty apart, O vs D.
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ahhhh Cojones…thus why my first thought was…”Win as a team, lose as a team…”…Snake out
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what I take from the mayor’s comment is this, we aren’t giving Murray the best chance at leading us because he is more of a spread offense type QB. Those PA passes from the I-formation aren’t his cup of tea. In the first half against LSU we passed successfully from the shotgun. In the 2nd half we went away from it for some reason.
Bobo.
How can Murray say Bobo called the right play and we didn’t execute when all I can remember about the 2nd half in the dome is our little RB running up the gut. So its the OL’s fault if the coach doesn’t call the best play for them to succeed?
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While I agree with your comment kdsdawg I was actually speaking about something even more basic. How can a team that has AJ Green, Aaron Murray, the 2 backs we had in ’10 (I just watched a replay of the ’09 UGA-Tech game where they ran Tech silly), Justin Houston, Baccari Rambo and the best punter and best kicker in the nation to name just a few go 6-7? You really have to be a royal f#ck-up to lose 7 games with talent like that.
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Fire em all! I’m sure anyone with half a mind could win multiple SEC championships and have a great career winning percentage. Wait a minute… don’t we have that?
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I don’t want to fire anybody–I just want the current staff to do better. I’m only stating the obvious. We won 10 games last season with basically the same team that was 6-7 the year before–a year in which both of our main division rivals (UT and FU) were down and our team was loaded with talent. I also noticed that AJ and Houston got out of Athens as fast as they could after that season.
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Do you think AJ being a number one draft choice had anything to do with getting out of town? Man, you are even, wait, the Senator may ban me for saying that. If I thought I was a number one and I had a four game suspension the past year I would hit the road as soon as possible. Also, I never knew that Bobo coached Houston. But what was the subject of this blog anyway?
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“If I thought I was number one and I had a four game suspension the past year I would hit the road as soon as possible.” Yes, shane, you probably would.
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kdsdawg, the same statement applies to Grantham. His D held LSU to NO 1st downs in the first half. In the second half we went away from what D accomplished in the first half.
I know. Bobo.
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Hell we can’t even beat a ranked team. CMR and Hobo the clown are responsible for that.
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Reading Murray’s comments brings me to the conclusion I have had of his second year as the starting QB. I do not think he is a smart, savvy, QB. If you enjoy contact then you need to be prepared to protect the ball whether you have blocking are not. Murray is not a Tebow type player. His offense is not designed around a running QB. Second if he wants to throw in tight windows, then he needs to learn how to take out the sash.
I think Buck Belue’s comments a few days ago we very much on point about Murray. He needs to protect the ball and stop with this “we” stuff when Murray is almot all about “me”. When your retiring President hands you a towel in shower and comments about interceptions…well, what does that say. What is says is this, “if you keep making the same mistakes QB, guess what…you get the same mistake…another turnover.
Going into his third year as a starting QB…the most experienced QB in the conference…if he does not understand his role when will he.
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Murray has to get his sack totals down to 12-15 like most of the other UGA QB’s. And his int’s need to go down to 5-7 like the other top SEC Qb’s.
Dump the ball off to the outlet receiver, stop trying to be a hero.
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By execution, I would assume Murray realizes the @15 interceptions, and @35 sacks, and @5 fumbles, were not the 55 plays Bobo had in mind when Bobo drew them up. Execute properly on those plays, for example, slide a step, hit the out receiver, and you might go 13-1 or 14-0 instead of 10-4.
Hutson Mason’s footwork in the pocket is superb, Mason rarely gets picked or sacked, and Mason will quickly go to the outlet if needed..
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Troll.
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Yeah…I’m realizing that now after the back and forth below. I wish I hadn’t responded.
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You’re the guy who harmlessly tosses a potato chip to the seagull on the beach unrealizing the repercussions, aren’t you? 🙂
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I never realized there’s an actual reason for the “Don’t Feed the Animals” sign.
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In a G-Day game, maybe. Through the brunt of an SEC campaign, you’re just projecting your hopes.
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I have always believed that Mason was/is the better pure passer. Athletically Murray is superior and is probably the overall better QB. We’ll likely get to see Mason as a starter one of these days if only for one season so we’ll find out for sure then. I gotta believe that if the coaches thought that Mason was better then he would have been playing, hot seat business and all, last season and trust CMR and Bobo on that as they see both of those guys all the time in practice.
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Mason’s arm strength isn’t anywhere close to Murray’s.
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Touch, Senator, touch. And putting the ball where it needs to be.
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And, again, what game against FBS competition have you seen Mason perform as you describe?
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You mean throwing for a lot of yards by chucking the ball 60 times a game against East Cobb competition doesn’t prove he’s the bestest QB on UGA’s roster?
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Not necessarily AD, but breaking every passing record in the history of Georgia HS football says something about the kid’s ability. Again, I am not advocating that Mason become the starting QB. I favor Murray as the starter for the reasons stated by me above and in other posts on this thread. I am saying that Mason will probably get to be the starting QB sometime down the road for at least one season and we’ll see how good the guy is then. I’m betting he’s pretty damn good.
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I don’t disagree with your assessment at all.
However, if the coaching staff (i.e. the guys that could have lost their jobs last year) really thought Mason gave them a better chance to win, and by extension keep their jobs, then Mason would have played last year. I don’t understand why people can’t seem to grasp this (not directed at you, but the MASON IS CLEARLY BETTER BC HE ROCKED OUT AT G-DAY idiots).
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The coaches (and apprently some fans) want us to believe Murray is better, because he rocked out at PRACTICE.
Because head to head in public games, Mason beats Murray.
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How many times has Mason defeated Auburn, Florida, Georgia Tech, or Tennessee? Stop trolling, dude.
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I am sure Mason would not have gone winless in 9 attempts to beat a team that ended up in the top 25 at the end of the end of the season. Not even 1 win out of 9 games against the best teams? Can’t get worse than 0-9. Nothing to lose by going with Mason.
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Mason only got 3 real chances in 2011.
Coastal Carolina, New Mexico St, LSU
Here’s how Mason compared to Murray in those games:
Murray Pass rating: 166, 236, 72 (cc, NMS, LSU)
Mason Pass rating: 167, 223, 78 (cc, nmst, LSU)
And Murray had no sacks or interceptions in those games.
Murray has also outperformed Murray in both G-Days.
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Assuming you were trying to use those three games as evidence to support Mason (hard to tell due to grammatical errors), you’re trying way too hard to justify an unjustifiable position.
I’m sorry, but anybody that uses G-Day (you know, an intrasquad scrimmage that utilizes vanilla playcalling on both sides of the ball) to support one player over another considering one has never taken a meaningful snap in a game (unless you consider mop-up time in the two FCS games and taking some snaps while down 32 against LSU as meaningful) is either hopeful at best or just plain stupid at worst.
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What other games would you suggest we use besides G-Days, and the 3 he played in? Point is, Mason beats Murray, anytime, anywhere. Scrimmage, real game, LSU, whatever. Big upside, lower downside.
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That’s the point. There is absolutely no evidence to support the assertion Mason should be starting over Murray other than unsubstantiated hypothesis by fans.
As I said to the Mayor above – if the coaches who were coaching for their jobs last year truly believed that Mason gave them a better shot at winning, don’t you think he would have played more?
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These coaches also thought Joe Terishinski was better than Matthew Stafford….
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And who was starting at the end of the season?
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You are basing your opinion on something you havn’t seen (Murray beating Mason in practice sessions).
I am basing mine on what I and all can see (public head to head stats over 3 games in 2011, and 2 G-Days).
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Mason’s yards per attempt is better than Murray’s. You may feel that way, but the stats say otherwise.
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Do you know how stupid this sounds?
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Mason outperformed Murray both g-days is what I meant to say. Alone, doesn’t mean a lot, cobined with how Mason has compared against Murray in his 3 chances (CC, NMSt, LSU), does seem to suggest,
Mason’s upside is as high (looking at passer ratings), and his downside (sacks,int’s) are much lower.
You can also get into td’s per pass attempt, int’s, sacks per pass attempt, Mason wins all, G-Day, CC, NMSt, LSU, doesn’t matter, Mason always wins.
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I get suspicious when we hear from Coaches about how much better Murray will be every year, than in G-Day, when we can judge for ourselves, Murray always tanks and Mason outplays him.
Also, head to head in the 3 games, Mason had a higher pass rating against every teame except New Mexco State. And no interceptions or sacks.
It’s one thing for coaches to claim Murray is better based on practice (which we can’t verify), but judging from what I’ve seen and verified over 2 G-Days, and 3 public games where both went head to head in 2011, clearly Murray is not better than Mason.
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