Some post-Grantham thoughts

Rumor has it that the towel is holding out for a three-year guaranteed contract.

A variety of thoughts that popped into my head after learning the news that Georgia’s in the market for a new defensive coordinator:

  • The contract.  Seriously, can anybody blame Grantham for jumping at a five-year, $5 million guaranteed deal?  Hell, if he hadn’t taken it, I’d have questioned his judgment.  There’s no way Georgia would match an offer like that and I doubt Grantham even asked.
  • The timeline.  Pretty damned fast, I’d say.  Petrino was officially named Louisville’s head coach on Thursday.  He first offered the DC job to Alabama’s Kevin Steele, who initially, according to reports, accepted and then changed his mind and declined.  Petrino and Grantham made contact on Saturday, per Greg McGarity.  It’s a done deal the next day.
  • The initiator.  The $64000 question we’ll probably never get an answer to is who reached out to whom first.  And I’d sure like to know, for a couple of reasons.  Is Petrino that impressed with Grantham’s run at Georgia?  Or was Grantham perhaps being proactive in response to “that talk” with Mark Richt?  The size of the contract and the fact that Grantham was telling recruits after Lakatos’ departure that he was busy looking for a replacement make me lean in Petrino’s direction, but the speed with which the two came together would argue in favor of Grantham letting Petrino know that he might be in play with the right offer.  It’s a mystery unlikely to be solved.
  • Nepotism, for the win?  I’m not sure how much this came in to play, but one thing’s for sure.  It’s a helluva lot easier to hire your brother to coach at Louisville than it is at Georgia.
  • Rodney Garner.  Twice Richt called on Garner to hold things together when the defensive staff was in transition.  On both occasions, Garner came through.  On the other hand, there’s been plenty of chatter over the years about Garner being a sticking point with certain occupants/would be occupants of the coordinator spot.  This time, he ain’t around to make a difference either way.  Which leads to…
  • Recruiting.  The early response from recruits hasn’t been too troubling – anywhere from no difference to wait-and-see mode is manageable.  In any event, this is the worst reason in the world to rush into a hiring decision.  I expect Richt is smart enough to know that.
  • The hiring process.  Richt claims that he’s already had a fair amount of interest expressed in the position and I have little reason to doubt that.  It’s an attractive job.  There is plenty of returning talent, with a good class coming in this season if the staff can hold things together.  And the position coach opening in the secondary gives anyone coming in a leg up on shaping the defensive staff.  My gut tells me that it won’t take as long to hire somebody as it did when Richt replaced Martinez.
  • Greg McGarity.  He won’t be micromanaging the hire, but you can be damned sure he’s in control of the contract parameters.  Georgia isn’t as desperate to attract top coaching talent as Louisville, so it won’t be necessary to lay out the same kind of deal that Grantham got to land a qualified replacement, but this is the SEC and you’re not going to get your guy without a competitive offer, which makes it hard for me to see how Richt gets his man for much less than what Grantham was getting while in Athens.  This part of the play is going to be interesting to watch, to say the least.
  • Kirby Smart.  If I had to guess, this is the hire that would please the fan base the most, but it’s hard to see how this happens without a bunch of people taking a deep breath before taking the plunge.  There are some burned bridges after what happened the last go ’round.  And after watching Alabama’s defense flounder against HUNH offenses as much as Georgia’s did in 2013, I’m not so sure this is the slam dunk that those arguing in favor of it believe it to be.  Still, if the rumors are true about Orgeron coming to Tuscaloosa, I wonder if Smart might see the Georgia job as an opportunity to really be in control of the defensive staff and a step up.  It would admittedly be nice to see his recruiting talents come to Athens.  But I question whether McGarity is up to the salary requirements (not to mention what he’d likely have to do for Bobo, as well).
  • The rest of the field.  There are plenty of good choices out there.  Richt’s not close-minded about hiring, as indicated by the process last time.  But you wonder what he might have to promise these days to get a slam dunk hire.  I guess we’re about to find out how good Georgia is in attracting top flight coaching talent in the new world of exploding assistant salaries.


UPDATE:  Seth Emerson’s analysis is worth a read.  Particularly this:

Did Richt let Grantham leave? It’s probably comparable to when Rodney Garner left after last season: Both were welcome back. But when they had a better offer, Richt (and Greg McGarity) said, essentially: Good luck to ya.

By comparison, if Mike Bobo had come to his bosses with a $1 million offer to run another team’s offense, the bet here is Richt and company would have fought to keep him.


UPDATE #2:  Chip Towers sheds some light on a question I thought would remain murky.

So now we’re left with the chicken-and-the-egg question. Is this something that Richt initiated or is it something that just happened? There’s evidence on both sides of the equation.

Consider the timeline:

  • Richt meets with AD Greg McGarity for his end-of-year review on Thursday morning.
  • Thursday evening, UGA announces the resignation of Lakatos.
  • On Saturday, Grantham informs McGarity that Bobby Petrino wants to talk to him about Louisville’s defensive coordinator position.
  • On Sunday, news breaks that Grantham has accepted the Cardinals $5 million offer.

Here’s what I think: I believe the Lakatos resignation was going to happen anyway. There is some validity to the “personal reasons” the fourth-year assistant cited and clearly the Bulldogs needed to address the shortcomings at that position.

As for Grantham, I happen to know that he had no plans whatsoever to leave Georgia as of Friday night. Louisville swooped in fast-and-furious on Saturday. But the Cardinals’ lucrative offer left the Bulldogs no choice.  [Emphasis added.]


Filed under Fall and Rise of Bobby Petrino, Georgia Football

221 responses to “Some post-Grantham thoughts

  1. DawgPhan

    Hope spring eternal. Doesnt seem like recruiting is going to be impacted and we all get to day dream about making the perfect hire and what a difference that could make. Also Bud Foster.

  2. Thatguy

    All Orgeron. All the time. The guy is a proven recruiter, and he rescued an awful USC team from the Kiffer this year. Two years at a hair under a MEEEEEEEEEELION dollars sounds fair.

    • He’s never been a DC before. Don’t see that happening at Georgia.

    • Bob

      He wrecked Ole Miss. I mean he totally wrecked that program. He is a hell of a recruiter but he is a huge blow hard. And despite all his protestations of love for those USC players, he up and left them after not getting selected to be the head coach. I can understand him being upset…but if you really loved those guys like they supposedly loved you, you suck it up and take the team to the bowl game.

      Orgeron would be another Grantham. No thanks.

  3. I think we should go after Jon Gruden. It was the first choice of Texas and Red McCombs. And he knows football. At this point we could approach Saban. He has won it all at Alabama, has nothing left to prove, has a statue. He has built Defenses and knows how to mold a secondary. Throw the bank at him and make him HCIW! Offer him part ownership when we turn semi-pro!
    Coach Richt would be tickled and feel comfortable knowing that UGA would be in capable hands allowing him peace of mind while in the mission field.

  4. DawgPhan

    So the most UGA thing would be to Hire Christian Robinson to be the DB coach and make Wilson and Olivadotti the co-DCs. They could save a ton of money over going out and getting the latest hot coach. mmmmmm….reserve funds…

  5. Timphd

    My money is on Olivadotti. He knows both the personnel and the system and would come much cheaper than an outside guy would. Not saying I think this is the best option, though I wouldn’t be too upset, just think the money issue would be easier for GM to accept and it lends to the “continuity” Richt was talking about last month.

  6. charlottedawg

    How the hiring process plays out will say a lot about the state of the UGA program in the coming months. That being said coaching hires are always difficult and carry risks but Georgia just saw a very ineffective DC walk out the door, this could be a major step forward for our program.

  7. The other Doug

    What about Bud Foster?

    • I wouldn’t mind if he came aboard, but I doubt he’s moving from VaTech unless it’s to become a HC.

      • Scorpio Jones, III

        Did we not got through the Lunch Box deal last time around?

        • Otto

          That was my thought. From what I remember Bud was consulted about the UGA DC job last time. May or may not have been offered the job and he helped bring CTG into the picture.

    • Patindc

      Bud Foster is awesome, but he ain’t leaving VT.

      • Erskine

        Is Bud locked in as the next head coach at VT?
        He has certainly been offered elsewhere to the point he received pay upgrades.
        Beamer is coming off 2 years where the win totals are less than his average. I believe the timing is right for Bud to leave, if he is not the CIW.

  8. John P

    Worked out for the best on both sides IMO. Grantham and Petrino should be an interesting mix. I’m glad to see him.go and with a minimum of drama.

  9. I still don’t think Kirby would make this lateral move… but is there any school on the planet where he could more convincingly prove that he can run a defense without the overlording of Nick Saban? However, if he did take this job and made the UGA defense into a top 10 defense quickly, he would definitely land a great HC job somewhere.

  10. D Basham

    Randy Shannon. In his 6 years as DC at Miami, his teams were ranked in the Top 10 in total defense 5 times. At only 47, and with a middling HC stint in his recent past, he should have plenty of tread on the tire and not be constantly looking to step up to another HC gig.

    • Russ

      Agree and there’s probably a Miami connection with Richt. He would be good on several levels.

      • No One Knows You're a Dawg

        Seems like he would be a great fit with Richt. Top rated defenses as DC, an excellent recruiter who knows the SE (especially FLA), and someone who fits “the Georgia Way” (only had one player arrested while he was HC at Miami). Also, as HC he preferred Miami run a pro style offense rather than the spread. And he will almost certainly immediately accept the job. Could introduce him at a press conference on Wednesday!

        Biggest downside: might leave for another HC job if he’s successful for two or three seasons. Still, shouldn’t not hire someone based on what might happen in several years. The world is too unpredictable to try and game it that way.

    • I can’t put my finger on the reason, but the idea of hiring RS doesn’t excite me at all. I agree that he had some really good defenses at Miami, but his stint as head coach…….. and then it’s not like anybody else has been beating down his door to have him run their defenses since then…….or maybe it’s just the fact that he’s even more stoic than Richt, I may just be scared there would be no emotion at all coming from our sideline. 🙂

      Like I said, I really can’t put my finger on “why” I don’t want him, I just know that I don’t at all.

    • I agree he’s got good fb savvy. Pushes discipline and grades. He was the only Miami guy that didn’t get into bed with Shapiro.

    • Erskine

      I ask this for information only, If Shannon is a quality candidate, why do you suppose he has not received other offers? I would think Louisville would have been a very good fit for him.

  11. Sparrow

    The main thing I see getting in the way of Kirby (besides the burned bridges, I suppose) is that he currently makes something in the neighborhood of $1.25m. I don’t believe we would match that, nor would I want us to, and I couldn’t imagine he would leave Alabama for the same position and a lesser salary.

  12. heyberto

    Dead on about Kirby. It may look like the sexy hire, but I’m not sure it’s worth what it will take to get him here.

    Seems like we have to get a 3-4 guy.. What’s your take on scheme Senator?

    • Doesn’t bother me too much. Remember Georgia didn’t play in its base defense all that much.

      If scheme is really important though, this guy is definitely worth a look. USC went from seventh to first in the Pac-12 in total defense in his one year there running a base 3-4. Downside is that he doesn’t bring much to the recruiting table up front; in fact, it’s hard to see anyone on the defensive staff who does. (Probably what Georgia will miss the most from the Garner and Grantham departures over the next couple of years.)

      • 202dawg

        Yes, but how do we get him on the radar at B-M?

        • “We”? *** chuckle ***

          Honestly, I don’t think Richt will lack for good candidate choices. And Pendergast is currently unemployed; you can bet his agent has made contact with Georgia.

      • The only spot I can see being an issue is the OLB spot in a 4-3. I think we have plenty of guys who can transition into conventional DT, DE, and MLB roles in a 4-3 (and the secondary really isn’t that different either way). I just don’t know how many guys we have who be really good at the OLB spots in a 4-3…….Reggie Carter strikes me as one……and that’s about it, tho Wilson would probably be ok there. Very little depth though. But if we run a ton of nickel anyway, which we probably will no matter who is hired and what scheme they run, that can probably be schemed around for a couple of seasons until we get some true 4-3 OLB recruits in.

      • No One Knows You're a Dawg

        We do need some good recruiters, especially with Kiffin at Bama. He may be a buffoon, but obviously can talk that talk. If he can fool Saban, he can certainly fool 7-18 year olds.

        • Kiffen could be Head Commodore if he wanted too. Going strictly by “wife appeal”. Wonder if he takes her on recruiting trips.

          • The Lone Stranger

            It’s a good thing what with Jimmy Franklin taking his lounge act on the road to centre PA — the area needs an infusion of cougar (or really any other age range) hotness. You should have seen the press conference. Pure Jimmy bluster and bombast, coming across as the new Keystone State tough guy that would “dominate the state”. That’s tough talk given the competing interests of Pitt, Temple and Villanova!

            Sadly, about every reporter or media outlet lapped it up with a big spoon.

      • lamontsanford

        Nope. He wears those short sleeve windbreakers like the Chiz. Can’t have that.

      • heyberto

        My biggest issue is just the learning curve. I don’t want us to waste another year having to learn a new defense, but it doesn’t sound like we’re going to have that issue either way.

    • godawg

      I guess that is my main question: Do we have to get a 3-4 guy? What direction should UGA take the defense?

      I always thought that Grantham’s defense was too complicated and took too long for the kids to learn (hell, even some NFLers said to was too complicated). Is that a function of the 3-4 or a function of Grantham’s version? I know a lot of recruits view learning the 3-4 as a plus since that is what they will probably play at the next level, but I’m selfish, I want to see instant improvement.

      • Louisville doesn’t seem to think it matters much. They ran a 4-3 all the way to the number 2 scoring defense in the land in 2013. I suppose the switch to the 3-4 will give Mr. Petrino a certain latitude with his excuse index if he falters.

      • Hackerdog

        The only piece of the 3-4 that I think is inherently more complicated than a 4-3 is the cross-training of linemen. Giving your tackles and ends reps at both positions means having to learn to play both inside and outside. But, our D-line was a strength this year. So I’m not that worried about it.

  13. HVL Dawg

    Grantham’s million dollar salary is an eye popper, but wasn’t he already making .85? The five year deal is his ticket. He knew that his DBs were going to get him fired next year and the 5 years in the ACC looked sweet! The NFL ain’t calling this year.

  14. cube

    I don’t understand the talk about “letting him leave” or “encouraging him to leave”. If you don’t want the guy around, just fire him.

    Only at Georgia is this kind of nonsense considered normal.

    • Only at Georgia is this kind of nonsense considered normal.

      Right. Every other institution in the country has solid rationales for hiring/firing decisions all the time.

      Hyperbole, for the win.

      • IAmAGurleyMan

        Generally the basis for the firings is that the coaches are incompetent. But Richt and McGarity like keeping incompetent coaches – it keeps everything from getting all tense and keeps the reserve fund from going down. Of course, at the expense of the success of the team. It goes without saying that if we had a competent DC in 2012, we would have won the natty. But, of course MacGarity’s and Richt’s silly decisions have no bearing on the team’s success, right? Nothing to see here, move along.

        • So exactly when would you have fired Grantham, if you were Richt? The year after Georgia finished fifth in the country in total defense? Or would you have done it before the Alabama game?

          • IAmAGurleyMan

            After the 2012 season, when he spent a whole year butchering NFL-level talent. I brought up 2012 only to emphasize how important it is to have competent assistants, not to say that Richt should have canned Grantham before that season. But the fact that Richt kept Grantham around after that disaster and after this year’s disaster is completely inexcusable for a coach who claims he’s trying to get the team to the next level.

            • Hackerdog

              So, we ditch multi-year deals and tell coaches that excellence every single year is expected at the cost of their jobs? And we expect them to deal with minor issues like missing multiple starters for multiple games due to UGA’s draconian disciplinary policies without missing a beat?

              Yeah, I’m sure that Belichick is placing his call to GM at this very moment. Who wouldn’t want to get in on that kind of deal?

              • cube

                Yep, no coach with time left on his contract has ever been fired. Come on, that happens all the time.

                As far as lowering coaching expectations b/c of athletic department policies…well…maybe we already have?

                • Hackerdog

                  It does happen. I just haven’t seen it happen one year removed from excellent results. You really think that candidates would line up for the money and not worry about a caveat that they will be fired after their first subpar season? I don’t.

                  • cube

                    One year removed from excellent results? The defense didn’t have excellent results in 2012. They had mediocre results at best. Then they had disastrous results in 2013. And we didn’t fire the DC.

                    • Hackerdog

                      The defense was excellent in 2011. The comment I responded to suggested that Grantham should have been fired after the 2012 season.

                    • cube

                      Well…do you think he should have been fired after the 2013 season?

                    • Hackerdog

                      I’m ambivalent. Grantham has been inconsistent. At times, he’s been brilliant. At times, he’s been mediocre. He seemed too reluctant to change his overall scheme. But his halftime adjustments were frequently spot on. Overall, I’ve been disappointed in his tenure. However, I recognize that there are no guarantees in coaching. My dispute isn’t with people who are glad he’s gone. It’s with people who think that bringing in another coach who can give us a top-10 defense every single year is just so easy.

                    • Hackerdog

                      But, after the 2012 season, I would have recommended giving the guy who had a top-5 defense just a year earlier a mulligan to see if he could replicate the stellar results of 2011.

      • cube

        A little bit of hyperbole but not as much as you’re trying to make it out to be. We’re one of the most timid programs when it comes to firing coaches.

        • He cleaned house on the defensive staff in ’09. Granted, I wish he’d have done that a year earlier, but you make it sound as if there should be a regular revolving door with the coaching staff.

          Like it or not, part of the reason coaches don’t get fired is because the program does well most years.

          • cube

            How about the debacle caused by keeping Van Halanger around past the point where the strength and conditioning began to erode and until it totally decayed?

          • DawgPhan

            It just goes to show that most fans want our coach and AD to act like bosses that no one would want to work for…the weird thing is that they think people would be lining up to work for CMR in that case.

            • cube

              That’s amusing b/c the other programs who have coaches and ADs that supposedly “act like bosses that no one would want to work for” still have coaching candidates lined up ready to work for them.

              We’re talking about 750K (and up) salary jobs with multiple year contracts and buyouts. We’re not talking about 150K-200K middle management jobs in Corporate America.

              • DawgPhan

                getting people that want to work for your money isnt that hard, but you also dont get much. Getting people who want to buy into your vision is very difficult. Constantly hiring people who want your money just means never you are always hiring someone and never getting anywhere.

            • McTyre

              Exactly. Folks lose their minds over sports and politics.

    • IAmAGurleyMan

      +1,000. This is how the pro-Richt crowd justifies his lunacy: “he’s a great guy, and is taking care of his colleague.” I call bullshit. If the guy is incompetent, fire him. If you want him around, match the salary and give him a raise. What the hell is this “we won’t fire you, but if you find another opportunity, have at it.” McGarity, with his cheapness, and Richt, with his tolerance for mediocrity and underachievement, look more and more like Mr. Magoo every day.

      • Nobody outside of Louisville gives Grantham a guaranteed five-year deal. It was a preemptive bid.

        • Scorpio Jones, III

          And who knows what the real reaction in Butts-Mehre actually was…maybe it was a preemptive second bid? At any rate, Grantham is gone, foolish to speculate on how that happened it seems to me.

          • Mayor of Dawgtown

            It seems clear to me at least that the handwriting was on the wall for Grantham at UGA and that is why he left THIS year rather than waiting until his contract was up next year. Plus he got a long term contract and a raise at the new job. That said, McGarity probably is grinning ear to ear that he didn’t have to buy out Grantham’s contract and still managed to get rid of the guy. (“My precious, my precious……”)

            • No question that Grantham’s decision was a no-brainer because of the contract.

              And I think I understand Petrino’s decision. He’s an offensive guy, and doesn’t care that much about defense. The best players Louisville recruits will be filtered through the offensive end first, and defense will get the leftovers. Everywhere he’s been, he’s left nothing on defense.

              It seems clear to me at least that the handwriting was on the wall for Grantham at UGA and that is why he left THIS year rather than waiting until his contract was up next year.

              Both Grantham’s system, and Grantham himself, were dead-in-the-water at Georgia. There was no light at the end of the tunnel, and this year’s D was doomed to mediocrity from the get-go.

              There are many reasons that was true. Grantham’s system is too sluggish and he does not coach it well. Despite his public comments, he doesn’t always play the best players or develop depth. He plays favorites. And on and on and on, many issues, most of which have been discussed here in the last several months.

              But the bottom line, of course, was that he didn’t get it done. Just yesterday morning before we knew anything about this, I posted, “… there is no excuse for Grantham not fielding a solid defense in his third and fourth years. Zero.”

              So Petrino + Grantham was the perfect storm, two dysfunctionals enabled by a nouveau-riche, wannabe suitor.

        • 81Dog

          It sounds kind of like the Jon Koncak contract situation back in the late 80s, when Detroit tried to sign him away from the Hawks, except that CMR and GMG are smarter than Stan Kasten and just let him go.

        • IAmAGurleyMan

          Of course. But even a smaller length of guarantee would have guaranteed he was gone because UGA wasn’t interested in giving him more years. It was a clearly a case of a guy they didn’t want around anymore but weren’t going to pay the cash to dump him. Why do you imply this wasn’t the case?

          • How do you know what the case is? If fewer years could have had TG, why didn’t Louisville offer accordingly?

            • Mayor of Dawgtown

              People in sports make mistakes in contract negotiations all the time, Senator.🙂

            • IAmAGurleyMan

              Are you serious? In 2002, Texas gave ARod more than twice the amount of the next contract offered to him. This year, Seattle massively overpaid for Cano even when the Yankees publicly said what their limit was. Teams do that because they don’t know exactly where the line is for them, so they break the bank because they may only get one shot.

              • Puffdawg

                So because McGarity and Richt didn’t try to compete with the lunacy of Louisville’s offer – who’s lunacy follows the precedent of outrageous offers well above the market value for an entity set by the Texas Rangers and Seattle Mariners – they don’t have a clue what they are doing? I think you are damaging your own case here.

              • As you say, Louisville made the offer it did precisely because it didn’t know where Georgia would draw the line. That would imply that Georgia’s intention to see TG gone wasn’t as clearly defined as you believe it was.

                Either that, or it’s too bad they didn’t talk to you beforehand. You could have saved them a bunch of money.

      • cube

        Yep, exactly.

      • Hackerdog

        You’re using a false dilemma fallacy. You are implying that a coach is either incompetent and worthy of firing, or he’s awesome and worthy of matching any offer. The truth is that there are many grades of coach worth many different salaries. It appears that Louisville and UGA had two different appraisals of Grantham’s worth.

        • cube

          Why would we settle for a DC that we didn’t think was worth 1 million a year for several years?

          The answer is some combination of a) the athletic department is somewhat cheap and b) Richt doesn’t like to make changes very often.

          It’s ridiculous that they didn’t fire him a month and a half ago.

          • So you’re saying that it would have been okay if Richt believed in Grantham enough to match Louisville’s offer?

            Grantham’s gone and his replacement’s gonna get paid. Time to move on.

            • cube

              Right. If you thought enough of the guy to make him your DC for 2014, then why are you letting him get away?

              • Because you don’t think he’s worth $5 million to your program. What is so hard about this for you to grasp?

                • cube

                  If he’s not worth close to a million a year for several years, he shouldn’t be the defensive coordinator.

                  This makes it painfully obvious that we were keeping him around b/c a) he was fairly economical and b) we wouldn’t have to make a change. I’m actually wondering what is so hard about that to grasp.

                  It’s ridiculous that we didn’t fire him after the regular season and move on to the point where we ended up at yesterday, instead of sitting around for a month and a half hoping that someone would give him a better offer.

                  But whatever. I’m all in! Yay!

                  • If he’s not worth close to a million a year for several years, he shouldn’t be the defensive coordinator.

                    If you’re going to say it, say it right. It’s not close to a million a year. It’s a million a year. And it’s not just several years. It’s five years, guaranteed. How many defensive coordinators have $5 million guaranteed contracts today? Should every one who doesn’t have a similar contract be fired?

                    You think a $850K a year contract is “economical”? Ho-kay. TG was among the highest paid coordinators in the country.

                    I don’t have a problem with you wishing that Richt had canned Grantham before. But this attempt at spinning the numbers is absurd.

                    At least I see now that you’re only saying they were “half hoping” someone would make a better offer. LOL.

                    • cube

                      So you don’t think Grantham would have stayed if we countered with say 1 million over 3-4 years? We had to match exactly what he got offered by Louisville?

                      And do I think a one year contract at 850K for a defensive coordinator, while avoiding the buyout, is fairly economical at this level? Yes.

                      Are you really that hung up over me saying “wishing” vs “half hoping”? LOL.

                    • Don’t think Grantham would have stayed without a match, no. Moot point, though, isn’t it?

                      Grantham had two years left on his Georgia contract, btw.

                    • cube

                      He was given a contract extension in the summer of 2012. That contract went through the 2014 season. Was he given something else at some point that wasn’t announced?


                      I disagree about the terms necessary to keep him. I don’t think it would have taken 1 million a year for 5 years to keep him. But I’ll agree to disagree on that point.

                    • cube

                      Yeah, I had seen that. I respectfully think Chip Towers might be wrong.

                    • There’s another raise, to $850K, that came after the article you linked.

                      Again, per Towers:

                      … In January of 2012 Grantham signed a three-year deal with Georgia that was to pay him $825,000 a year. He received a $25,000 raise and a one-year extension the next year.

                      However, by making a lateral move, Grantham will be contractually obligated to pay a buyout to Georgia. According to a copy of Grantham’s contract, that will amount to 10 percent of his base salary ($400,000) for each remaining year. In this case that would be $80,000.

          • Hackerdog

            Sometimes you settle because it’s the best you can do. The last time the job was open, we offered it to Smart, Foster, and Chavis. They turned us down. That’s when we got Grantham.

            Would we have been better off with Smart, Foster, or Chavis? Probably. But they didn’t want to come here. It is what it is.

            Similarly, I would have loved to marry Claudia Schiffer. Sadly, I couldn’t get her. That’s OK. I did pretty well. But I would have really looked like an idiot if I had sworn off all other women until I could get my fantasy to come true.

            • cube

              So we settled for bringing Grantham back in 2014 b/c we thought it was the best we could do?

              • Hackerdog

                I assume that we figured he was worth $850k for another year. Maybe he could have turned in another year like 2011 and Richt looks like a genius for staying the course. Maybe he turns in another bad year and we make a change with no financial penalty.

                Real life isn’t a choice between Bill Belichick as your DC, or his sister. Some guys are worth more than others. Some guys are undervalued. Some guys are overvalued.

                • PatinDC

                  Hmmm. I am all in for Belichick’s sister as DC. I hope she has the same style in clothing as her bro.

                  • Hackerdog

                    I don’t know if his sister is available. But his daughter could probably need the cash.

                    • You think that the belief that Grantham was capable of producing a top-10 defense is delusional, even though he’s already done it? I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

                      Because of top 10 total defense? What was the scoring defense (I’ve no idea, but I doubt it)? It doesn’t matter anyway, because stats don’t determine a solid defense, or how good that defense really is. Sometimes the stats line up with reality, granted. But just as often, and probably more, they don’t.

                      You think the 2011 defense was solid? Then IMHO, you’re looking at it from DreamyLand. May I suggest you go back and watch the film of that defense in action. And pay particular attention to the 4 losses (the only good teams we played) and the 4 close games we won, but were somewhat competitive.

                      I have no problem at all stating that the 2011 defense wasn’t solid, and that Grantham never had a solid defense at Georgia. Maybe you don’t know what a solid defense is, or maybe you’ve forgotten since we haven’t had one at Georgia in at least 9 years (the last 4 games of 2007 don’t count as whole season).

                      A good exercise BTW, for anybody, is to go back and look at the 2003 defense (or ’02 or ’04 is fine), and compare that to what we’ve seen anytime lately or since. You’ll see a sharp contrast.

                      Grantham never produced a solid defense. The film says so, and it doesn’t lie. I could care less what the stats were.

                    • Hackerdog

                      The 2011 UGA defense was #5 in total defense, but #23 in scoring defense. That means opponents had trouble moving the ball, but didn’t have far to go to score.

                      Against teams with winning records, UGA was #4 in total defense. Against ranked teams, they were #14. That’s what you call a suspect defense? Whatever.

                      And that matches my recollections. I remember a good deal of turnovers (ranked #80 in turnovers lost) putting the defense behind the 8-ball in having to defend a short field. Also, special teams sucking.

                      If you want to blame Grantham for turnovers and special teams failures and insist that, when UGA turns the ball over inside its own 20, the defense should just bow up and deny points, then I guess we’ll just agree to disagree.

                      Although, frankly, I expected more thoughtful analysis from a guy named IveyLeaguer. I assumed you were being ironic by misspelling Ivy. Perhaps not.

                    • I guess we’ll just agree to disagree. Although, frankly, I expected more thoughtful analysis from a guy named IveyLeaguer. I assumed you were being ironic by misspelling Ivy. Perhaps not.

                      Thanks, but I promise I know what I’m doing, and there is rhyme and reason to the name.

                      But yeah, if you really think the 2011 defense was solid, I won’t try to persuade you otherwise. I’ve given references and, as already explained, I go by what actually happens on the field (film) because that has long ago been proven to be the best indicator of what you really have.

                      So we can agree to disagree on this one, no problem. Thanks for the friendly and reasonable dialogue.

                    • < Grantham’s 2011 squad was solid .. It’s reasonable to believe that, given the returning experience, the defense would improve from the mediocre performance this season to a solid one next season.

                      Look, if you believe that, then fine. Assuming you understand what I mean by “solid” I think that view is delusional, based on the evidence. Because there has been no Grantham defense yet that has been “solid”.

                      The 2011 was mediocre, at best. I mean, the secondary alone is enough to render the whole thing mediocre. Oh, Rambo had interceptions and made AP All-America and All-SEC? Puhh-leeaase. That is a measure of excellence?

                      Watch the dad-gum film. For THAT is the record, and not the subjective stuff.

                      So we disagree. Fine. What’s wrong with that? I know you’re wrong (about the 2011 defense) and you think I am. No big deal. This is not an important point in this discussion, anyway.

                    • Hackerdog


                      So, if I understand you correctly, you acknowledge that the 2011 defense was statistically very good. You acknowledge that the secondary had an All-American safety and an All-SEC cornerback. But, you contend that the defense, in particular the secondary, was not solid. You state that you have your own definition of a solid defense that relies on subjective things that others don’t see, or can’t be measured.

                      That’s fine. It’s pointless to try to argue against your subjective preferences. I won’t try.

                      Yes, I remember the 2003 defense. It was spectacular. If, by solid defense, you mean one of the very best handful of defenses in the country, then I was simply misunderstanding you. I was assuming you were using one of the standard definitions of the word “solid,” meaning “of good substantial quality or kind.” To avoid further confusion, I suggest you identify instances when you’re using words in nonstandard ways.

                      One final correction about your word choice on what you “know” versus what I “think.” A more appropriate term would be that you have your “beliefs.” Beliefs is a better term that doesn’t invite as much debate. I can no sooner convince you that the 2011 secondary was solid than I can convince you that Jesus Christ did, or didn’t, walk on water. It’s just a matter of faith for you.

                      That’s also fine. At least you’re not being condescending about your beliefs.

                    • LOL. You don’t understand me at all.

                      So, if I understand you correctly, you acknowledge that the 2011 defense was statistically very good.

                      Absolutely not. Stat-wise, I’d say we were OK, not bad, but not great, either. We were 3rd in the SEC in Rush D, 4th in the SEC in Total D, 5th in the League in Pass D, and 6th in the SEC in Scoring D. Overall, about 4th or 5th in the Conference.

                      Not sure why you would get so worked up over that. But as I already tried to explain, the stats are way secondary to whether or not the unit was solid. The only way to tell that is to watch the film, assuming you know enough to know what you are looking at.

                      You acknowledge that the secondary had an All-American safety and an All-SEC cornerback.

                      Heck no. I acknowledge that Rambo was named AA by the AP, and All-SEC, because of his interception stats. But when you look at the film, about half those picks were gifts from bad QB’s. Rambo made some good plays, but a lot of those balls were thrown right to him, one of those years that happens every now and then.

                      But make no mistake, Rambo was no All-American. For a lot of reasons. There’s much more to safety than that, which I won’t go into. I said at the time Rambo’s selection to the AP All-America team was a joke, mostly on the writers, and the NFL draft would verify that.

                      And it certainly was a joke. NFL teams aren’t spooked by stats and hype. They watch the film, because the film doesn’t lie. I took a lot of heat for saying that about Rambo, but I knew it was the truth, because I had the proof right there on my HD big-screen. And the draft did indeed confirm that, as I had predicted it would. But that was an easy call.

                      Maybe this will help … think of it this way … Rambo was barely among the Top 5 safeties in the League, if that (I’d say about 6th or 7th that year). If that bothers you, think about it this way … according to the NFL, he wasn’t even the best safety on his own team, and maybe only the 3rd best.

                      … you contend that the defense, in particular the secondary, was not solid.


                      You state that you have your own definition of a solid defense that relies on subjective things that others don’t see, or can’t be measured.

                      What? Absurd. How’d you come up with that? My definition of solid is the same as Pruitt’s, he mentioned it yesterday. The same as any other coach worth his salt. And of course it’s based on things you can see, and things can be measured (though not necessarily by numbers).

                      I understand that YOU can’t see them. I get that. But anybody that’s played the game at a high level and understands it can see those things very clearly. There’s no mystery or secret about it. They’re right there on the film.

              • So we settled for bringing Grantham back in 2014 b/c we thought it was the best we could do?

                FWIW, my guess is Richt calculated the defense might turn out to be something like 2011 or 2012, which were not solid defenses, just mediocre for an SEC team with an immediate goal to win the SEC.

                But still somewhat intoxicated by the close call of the 2012 SECCG, Richt thought it just might be good enough, with a good offense and band-aided ST’s, to at least get to Atlanta or come close enough that the heat wouldn’t get too hot. The odds of success might be as just good as, or close to, making a change. And perhaps December 2014 would bring some inevitable change with Grantham anyway, one way or the other.

                But that’s just a guess.

                Who knows what Richt was thinking? Whatever it might have been, it wasn’t what was best for the program, IMHO, since Richt should have fired Grantham in December, whether that was in the form of a resignation for personal reasons, a new opportunity for Grantham, or whatever.

                Because the bottom line was, after four years, Grantham didn’t get it done. As I said earlier, there is no excuse for a DC not to field a solid defense in his 3rd and 4th years at a place like Georgia. Zero. And Grantham wasn’t close to doing that.

                • Puffdawg

                  Whatever points you have to make become completely invalidated when you say something like, “or come close enough that the heat wouldn’t get too hot.” So we’re all clear, do you truly believe Mark Richt is lying in bed at night thinking of ways to get just close enough to keep his job instead of thinking of ways to win?

                  • You don’t think Richt has given thought to his own job status? Even recently? Well, OK.

                    Whatever points you have to make become completely invalidated when you say something like, “or come close enough that the heat wouldn’t get too hot.”

                    C’mon now, don’t be so careless. First, I said as clearly as it’s possible to say it, that it was strictly a guess. Nothing more. But I do think it’s a pretty good guess.

                    Had you bothered to process what I said, perhaps you would have noticed the characterization that whatever Richt was thinking wasn’t the best thinking, otherwise he would have fired Grantham. So it only goes that any guesses can only something less than the best.

                    BTW, the other real possibility is Richt really believed the defense was going to be really solid, and was determined to keep Grantham. That is a bit delusional, but certainly a viable possibility.

                    So we’re all clear, do you truly believe Mark Richt is lying in bed at night thinking of ways to get just close enough to keep his job instead of thinking of ways to win?

                    So everybody is clear, please show me where I even remotely indicated that I believe such a ridiculous thing.

                    • Hackerdog

                      You think that the belief that Grantham was capable of producing a top-10 defense is delusional, even though he’s already done it? I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

                    • Puffdawg

                      You explicitly said it’s your guess (and now you’re doubling down by saying it’s a pretty good guess) that , “Richt thought it just might be good enough…to…come close enough that the heat wouldn’t get too hot.” Your words, not mine.

                    • cube

                      That’s not what he said Hackerdog. He said the belief that the defense was going to be really solid is a bit delusional.

                    • Hackerdog

                      Yes, he claimed that believing Grantham WOULD produce a solid defense was delusional. Assuming that he doesn’t have the ability to see the future, that’s the same thing as claiming that believing that Grantham COULD produce a solid defense was delusional.

                      But it’s not. Grantham’s 2011 squad was solid. He has the capacity to teach the kids. It’s reasonable to believe that, given the returning experience, the defense would improve from the mediocre performance this season to a solid one next season.

                    • argumentum ad absurdum

    • Dawgfan Will

      What does it matter? Is this not the result you were hoping for?

  15. Seth brought up a good point about JHC and how he was deployed under Grantham. JHC definitely appeared to be a favorite, and Grantham was gonna do whatever he had to do to build the scheme around him. It will be interesting to see how the new DC deploys JHC, and I’d imagine a lot of that will depend on how much weight JHC puts on this offseason. I still say I’d like to see him in more of a Thomas Davis role……..a big hitting safety on most downs, then put him down on the line of scrimmage on obvious passing downs (he’s not big enough to be on the LOS as an every down guy yet). I would love to see some pass rush packages with JHC, Jenkins, and Floyd all on the line – plus Drew or whoever else they bring.

    Or even line JHC up at ILB on obvious passing downs, gotta figure he would cover those crossing routes better than our current guys there. I’ve just never felt like the Star was the best place for him. The one thing he is great at from the Star position is blowing up the bubble screens and flanker screens, I’ll give him that. But as he adds weight over the next couple of years, I just don’t see that role being the best way to utilize his talents.

    I hope his maturity level goes up both physically and otherwise this offseason though, he is a unique talent that the new DC will enjoy figuring out how to deploy.

    • FisheriesDawg

      The problem with deploying somebody in the “Thomas Davis role” is that they’re likely to be ejected before halftime under the current rules.

    • BosnianDawg

      I remember reading something about him not putting on as much weight as the coaches expected around spring practice time last year. What makes you think he’ll put on any more weight now? You think the munchies will have a significant impact?

      • I remember seeing the same thing but then there was an article just in the past month or so that said he has put on about 20 pounds since the summer. IF that’s true, and it’s a big IF, then his body may just now be getting to the point where he can put the weight on. If he really has gained 20 lbs since the summer though, it’s probably not too far fetched to think he could add another 15-20 by next season.

    • 81Dog

      Any bets on whether it will be midseason (or later) before whoever gets hired gets a chance to deploy JHC anywhere? I say this with no snark, only a gut wrenching suspicion.

  16. Towel won’t be headed to Louisville. Rumor has it Saban is bringing it over as an Assistant Director of Football Operations. He will be responsible for helping to clean up the mess left over from the 2013 season.

  17. Gravidy

    Senator, you mentioned “slam dunk hire” in this post. Can you share a few names of those on your slam dunk list? I’m not necessarily looking for candidates who you think will (or even could) be hired. I just want to know who would make you happy.

    • I was using the phrase in the context of public acceptance.

      What I want is somebody who’s sound with fundamentals and a good teacher. Anybody with an established track record as a DC of improving defenses is somebody worth considering. I don’t really care what level that occurred on, either.

      What I don’t want is somebody getting training on the job as a DC.

      • Scorpio Jones, III

        You mean like the previous two guys? 🙂

        • Irwin R Fletcher

          Grantham was a DC for three years with the Browns. So I’d assume there wasn’t any on the job training.

          Just an interesting post-mortem on Grantham…I keep trying to put my finger on why it was so frustrating watching his defenses the last two years…I don’t think there is any question on the way the defense was trending, but at the same time, it was more than that.

          Here’s my hypothesis…below are the ranks in total yards overall and vs. FBS opponents with a winning record.
          2007- 14th/11th
          2008- 22nd/22nd
          2009- 38th/46th
          2010- 23rd/32nd
          2011- 5th/4th
          2012- 32nd/18th
          2013- 45th/47th

          I think looking at the ‘trend’ you have a legitimate gripe that it was passing him by…but looking at 2011 and 2012, those were both really solid years against winning teams, so there is clearly a track record there.

          I think it was more than reasonable to give him another year in 2014 and I also think it was more than reasonable not to match a 5 year offer. I’m still sad Boom isn’t available.

      • Gravidy

        That’s fair enough, but I’m not sure who would be on the public acceptance slam dunk list either. Maybe Bud Foster, John Chavis, or Pat Narduzzi? Those guys ain’t coming.

        • There are others besides those three. And Kirby.

          • zuto

            My under the radar pick is Phil Bennett from Baylor.

            • SMU

              Attended SMU for Phil’s tenure prior to June Jones. Have a lot of respect for how he carries himself as a man, the respect and fire his players had for him, and his commitment to rebuilding SMU. But he would never make it at UGA, he’s cut from the same cloth as Richt, and doesn’t have any desire to fight for the respect of prima donna players that populate most BCS-contender rosters. He’s in a perfect place at Baylor.

  18. Bob Sackamano

    The exit sounds like it was a Don’t Let the Door Hit You in the Ass situation.

    Think Chase Vasser will miss him?

    • Dawgfan Will

      That Tweet and the ones in response to it last night were definitely surreal.

      • Puffdawg

        Fill us in…?

        • DawgPhan

          Ga finally will have the best players on D playing this year @Georgia_Muscle7 @Mike_Teezy229 @Loachjuggernaut #newstart— Chase Vasser (@33NeverStop33) January 12, 2014

          • DawgPhan

            @33NeverStop33:Ga finally will have the best players on D playing this year @Georgia_Muscle7 @Mike_Teezy229 @Loachjuggernaut #newstart

            @33NeverStop22 is Chase Vasser
            @Georgia_Muscle7 is Josh Dawson of Vandy NSD flipping fame
            @Mike_Teezy229 Is Mike Thornton
            @Loachjuggernaut is James DeLoach

            So this went up right when everything was breaking. Dont know how Herrera and Wilson feel about this.

            This tweet is more telling IMHO.

            Mark Richt ‏@MarkRicht
            The very best is yet to come!! Go Dawgs!!

            That went up shortly after it was official last night.

  19. AG

    Gene Chizik is the best available DC candidate. He is a much better candidate than Johnson was last year. He has two rings and should have three. Horrible HC, great DC.

    • I wonder if he’s ready to accept a step down yet.

      • AG

        I would think that his last two head coaching gigs, national championship aside, would have humbled him a little bit. Maybe he has realized his limits.

    • lamontsanford

      Nope. He wears those short sleeve wind breakers like the Chiz too.

    • Bob Sackamano

      Is he that good of a DC? Not questioning you, just have no real knowledge of his DC skills.

      • I haven’t looked up the stats, but I remember always being VERY impressed with his defenses at both Auburn (when he was DC, not HC) and Texas. He was pretty widely considered the best DC in the country for a time there (BVG got a lot of love during that time too, for sure). The game is a lot different now though, and it’s not like his defenses were ever that good when he was a head coach. They were the first to conclusively disprove the “defense wins championships” mantra. 🙂

        Just like I don’t BVG is as good of a DC now that the game has changed so much, I worry that Chizik would be the same.

        • King Jericho

          Well, Richt averaged about 80 points a game when he was OC at FSU and we know how his offenses were when he first took over the HC at UGA. Just a thought.

  20. NoAxeToGrind

    Well I guess we will find out if Richt and McWorthless are finally serious about making UGA a team that can annually compete with the best the SEC has to offer. It’s basically now or never. Now’s his big chance Homers.

    • cube

      If they were serious, wouldn’t they have fired him instead of sitting around for a month and a half hoping that someone else gave him a better job offer?

    • Irwin R Fletcher

      So…if they make the good hire, I assume that makes the folks that are ‘homers’ right. Something tells me regardless of the hire, you’ll continue to use phrases like “McWorthless” and some sort of ‘even a blind squirrel’ explanation to justify your continued scorched earth criticisms.

      Thanks for keeping it real, though.

  21. AG

    I know its from Wikipedia but here it is:
    “While at Central Florida in Orlando, Chizik frequently visited practice sessions of the NFL’s Tampa Bay Buccaneers studying the Bucs’ defensive scheme developed by then-Bucs head coach Tony Dungy, defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and linebackers coach Lovie Smith.[6]

    Chizik later employed a very similar scheme at Auburn, where he served again as the defensive coordinator and secondary coach from 2002–04. During this time, he had some of the greatest successes of his career to date. He coached in three bowl games, the 2003 Capital One Bowl, 2004 Music City Bowl, and 2005 Sugar Bowl. His 2004 defensive unit led the country in scoring defense, giving up 11.3 points per game,[7] and the total defense ranked 5th, which is the same ranking the 2003 team recorded.[8] He garnered the 2004 Broyles Award, which is given each year to the top assistant coach in the nation. The 2004 Auburn Tigers football team finished 13–0 that year, won the SEC title, and defeated Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl. It placed second in the final AP and Coaches polls.[9]

    In 2005, Chizik was hired by Texas to serve as their co-defensive coordinator, assistant head coach, and linebackers coach.[10] During his time at Texas, the team won the 2005 NCAA Division I-A national football championship by defeating USC in the 2006 Rose Bowl.”

    Why is Chizik not getting some traction? Am I missing something?

    • FisheriesDawg

      I admit his resume would make him a serious contender, but I really, really dislike him. It would take a long time for me (and likely a lot of Georgia fans) to come around to the idea of that guy being on our staff. Remember, he’s the one largely responsible for turning the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry completely toxic over the past four years.

      • AG

        Likeability is directly related to success…see Todd Grantham. Whoever they hire will be viewed as favorably as the defense they put on the field, personal shortcomings aside. That being said, I really didn’t like Taylor, Fairly or Newton,

      • No One Knows You're a Dawg

        And the Cam Newton “recruitment” was on his watch. No thanks.

      • ScoutDawg

        Thank You. THIS ^^^^^ EXACTLY.

    • 69Dawg

      The “Tampa Two” is not going to win in the new era of the spread. Monte got fired by his son because it sucked so bad.

      • Agree, I posted a response above too, but BVG had similar achievements during that same era that Chizik was a DC, and in fact they ran similar schemes. I think most of us would agree that in this era of offense, BVG just isn’t nearly the DC that he was back then. I worry that the same thing would happen to Chizik.

    • Joe Schmoe

      I must say that I am a little concerned about hiring someone who hasn’t had more recent defensive success as I think the offenses in college changed so much in the last 10 yrs. Chizik never seemed to have very good defenses (certainly not great) at Auburn even when they won NC.

  22. Devil Dog

    It’s hard to tell if Kirby Smart is the real deal since he works for the defensive-minded Saban. I think Michigan State’s Pat Narduzzi would be worth taking a hard look at. He has over thirty years of coaching experience, and I don’t see how he wouldn’t find the SEC an intriguing possibility. He has no NFL experience, but preparing players for The League did us little good the past two years. Coach ’em up and get them to play for Georgia!

    • I’d give my right arm for us to get Narduzzi. But from what I’ve read, he’s very happy at MSU, and content to stay there until a head coaching opportunity comes along. But if I were in Richt & McG’s shoes, I’d definitely try to make him an offer he couldn’t refuse.

  23. Scorpio Jones, III

    From…..Alabama: According to 247 Sports’ Alabama site, Georgia defensive line coach Chris Wilson will interview at Alabama on Monday.

  24. Slaw Dawg

    I like to think that Coach Richt has spent much more time, and has much more knowledge, than I have about potential DCs. I am kinda partial, though, to the diamond in the rough approach–maybe he can pluck another great DC out of relative obscurity, as he did with Van Gorder.

    My biggest disappointment in this whole story is that it was Petrino, rather than James Franklin, who snapped up Grantham. Guess we can’t have everything.

  25. DawgPhan

    Love that the people who were quite sure that firing people was the answer are now quite sure that UGA will mess up the hiring…

    Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

  26. 69Dawg

    This is the best case for the AD. We hire a new DC which means a learning curve, which means more excuses which means more time to milk the fans. Talk about a win win.

  27. PTC DAWG

    I find it slightly amusing that the very folks that wanted Grantham gone are now complaining about how it happened. Some folks just like being miserable.

    • Dog in Fla

      “how it happened”

      Re-enactment of how Todd told them he was getting the band together elsewhere

    • Dawgfan Will

      And yet we’re the ones so predictable that we are called Disney Dawgs.

    • cube

      We can’t be happy he’s gone while at the same recognizing the flaws in retaining a coordinator while secretly hoping that he’d get a better offer?

      I’ll be sure to dumb it down next time and just say “yay!”

      • … while secretly hoping that he’d get a better offer?

        If that’s what you honestly think was going on, perhaps you might just want to stay quiet.

      • Dawgfan Will

        You keep saying things like this, so here, in two words, is the most logical answer I can think of for why Richt didn’t get rid of Grantham in December:

        Mike Bobo.

        Not too long ago, people were calling for Bobo’s head just as vociferously as they have been calling for Grantham’s head this season. Richt saw something others didn’t, however, and stuck to his guns, even as the howling continued. Low and behold, we now have one of the best offenses in school history (and, of course, fans who are still ready to can Bobo every time a play doesn’t get a first down).

        I think Richt looked at Grantham and assessed the issues on the defense. He saw the youth and other issues that might have affected the defense this season and chose to roll the dice that with more mature players, the defense would improve next year. And honestly, regardless of all the exaggeration on both sides of this, it was no greater a gamble than bringing in a completely new guy and perhaps starting over at square one. And Richt taking a gamble that he would see improvement is quite a bit different than “secretly hoping [Grantham would] get a better offer.”

  28. Yeah…. I like it! Senator, why would they have to do anything for Honey Bobo?

  29. Virgil Stay

    After reading a 2013 Bruce Feldman article on Derek Mason, I’m sold. He has interviewed for a couple of HC jobs; therefore, would he view it as being wise to make a lateral position move? But the guy embodies everything that Richt likes, and he is intense.

  30. Erskine

    Senator, throwing out a couple names for your opinion:
    Ellis Johnson, he has been a journeyman DC with good success in the SEC, sound fundamentals and good teacher. Appears to be solid with defensive game planning. While at usc Columbia, our offense did not post a lot of points.
    Brent Venables, upgraded Clemson defense, appears to emphsize fundamentals, good track record at Oklahoma & Clemson, multiple years of experience as DC. Unknown in the recruiting department.
    I have no opinion on either as DC, just would like to get your 2 cents on how/why they may/may not be a fit in Athens.

    • Ellis is getting a raise to stay on the Plains… and I really wasn’t that impressed with Auburn’s defense last season.

      Venables isn’t bad, but doesn’t really excite me, either.

      • Erskine

        I agree Auburn’s defense was not great in 2013, but there was very little experience to work with coming out of 2012 which was a defensive nightmare. I was looking at E Johnson’s work overall particularly when he was at USC, where the old ball coach leaned heavily on defense. He turned some middle of the road recruits into draft picks and NFL contributors.