There’s never a union around when you need one.

Here’s something CAPA’s advocating that I doubt many here would find objectionable.

Makes me wonder how Kolton Houston’s saga with the NCAA would have played out if there had been a players’ union in the mix.


Filed under Look For The Union Label

37 responses to “There’s never a union around when you need one.

  1. David K

    You’ve got to love the idea of the players union telling Nick Saban how or how not to discipline his players.

  2. Skeptic Dawg

    As I mentioned earlier, this is the beginning of the end. First unions, then payment, then standardized rules. Next thing you know we have a junior NFL on our hands. There will be a major fracture among current D-1 schools. The only question is: Who will band together and how many will there be? Will more schools follow the money and become more Bama-like? Or will more schools go the way of the Ivy and Patriot League. At this point, I am rooting for the Ivy/Patriot League model. Georgia is halfway there already. Maybe that’s why McGarity has been hoarding that reserve fund.

    • So, better that our kids are punished more harshly for alcohol/drug transgressions than at almost every other school in the SEC than that a fairer application of punishment be negotiated?

      • Ron

        We make that decision and live with the consequences. Yes, I prefer this…

      • Will (the other one)

        No kidding. Plus by “doing the right thing” we routinely get called out for lacking discipline in the press and by fans of schools who (in my view, wisely) keep any failed piss tests out of the news. We’re at a competitive disadvantage and we don’t even get any positive PR out of it.

      • Mark

        The only way you can standardize internal discipline is if each school is seen as a piece of a larger corporation. That’s not really the case. I think the unions could negotiate with the NCAA on keeping discipline from the NCAA the same for all schools (i.e. AJ losing 4 games but Johnnie Football losing 1/2 game). However, each union would have to negotiate with each school on discipline issues. They might hold up other schools as examples, but unless the schools handed over negotiations to the NCAA (or SEC) and became one big happy family, I don’t see how alcohol/drug transgressions would be set by a union at one school. Keep in mind that ultimately, the SEC and NCAA are not the employers but the school is.

        • Schools hand negotiations over to conferences all the time. That’s how you got the SEC Network, complete with Georgia and Florida giving up their independent media rights.

      • ZeroPointZero

        You’ve picked a nice item for dog fans to latch onto to make a good case for unions and or paying players. It ranks right up there with “do it for the children” or “if it saves one life” logic to me. I don’t understand why you are so hell bent to change/destroy the game we love to watch. Yes there is a shit ton of money in the game now. Other than that why do these players deserve a different set of rules than the players of the 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, etc.? Because the schools are making more money? If we pay the players then the game is done as we know it. Ticket prices won’t go down. They’ll have to go up. Attendance will fall even more. Then we’ll have even more to complain about. This road we’re on is a disaster. Please explain your endgame. What is the perfect scenario? What are the ramifications of this perfect scenario? Convince me.

        • I don’t understand why you are so hell bent to change/destroy the game we love to watch. Yes there is a shit ton of money in the game now.

          The game we love to watch has been in the change/destroy process for several years now, for exactly the reason you cite. And that’s not on any union.

        • Hackerdog

          Yes. It’s not like players in the past were paid. It’s not like Charley Trippi was recruited out of Pennsylvania to come to Athens by the promise of a summer job for Coca Cola earning more than his father made. You’re right. Giving players a stipend of a couple of grand, and/or letting them sell their own autographs would spell doom, I tell you, DOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!

      • Bulldog Joe

        Yes, dammit.

        If Georgia chooses to defeat themselves before kickoff, then no one should stop them.

    • C.S.

      First unions, then payment, then standardized rules.

      Oh Gawd, not standardized rules! Anything but that! Why, I can think of nothing worse than fairness and predictability in the dispensation of punishments! I want my coach (for we are joined in spirit, and therefore he is “mine” as I am his) to have tyrannical control over every aspect of the lives of other people’s children, because that is the only way that I know the absolute best product is put on my teevee for my viewing and gambling pleasure on Saturday.

    • The Reserve Fund

      Yes. It would be truly awful is college football were to become commercialized.

  3. Hogbody Spradlin

    Hell, I’d be happy if a few schools we play against would start punishing players at all.

  4. Scorpio Jones, III

    Standardized punishment is a buzzy idea, but would the NAPA please explain to me how even two of the colleges involved would agree to punish miscreants the same way?

    One of the very few things colleges have control of, without the NCAA is how each school choses to deal with player behavior issues.

    A nice idea, though.

    • Just so I’m clear, this is a good thing, because colleges have control of it. Michael Adams asking for a conference-wide standardized policy is a good thing. But a union negotiating a standardized policy isn’t possible.

      • Ron

        I was never fond of UGA begging for collective enforcement. Regulation is already present in the marketplace and it’s called choice. We choose tougher penalties and we have to live the consequences.

        • Derek

          I’ve always felt that way about the 15th amendment. Let the invisible hand of the market handle it. I’m sure at some point the consumer would have selected the “slave free” brand of cotton. Better than big government regulating wage and conditions of employment policies.

          On the other hand perhaps there is something to be said for partners in a certain enterprise, like a conference, to have shared values reflected in an agreed upon set of rules. I would assume you would allow that teams in the sec couldn’t/shouldn’t use non-students right? Former NFL players? I understand the Randian idea that the state of nature and no rules is a great idea, but unfortunately it doesn’t take too long before it unravels and is exposed as a pretty stupid ideology. Rules aren’t the problem. Stupid rules maybe a problem, but that’s where the debate ought to lie: what rules should we make? Concluding that no rules is better because some rules are dumb, is also dumb.

          To the point, I think it is a fine idea for UGA to use its influence to promote certain values. They weren’t successful as to drug policy yet but were as it related to the more abused aspects of over signing.

          • Hackerdog

            Slavery? Sure. I mean, it’s likely that the political process would have ended slavery peacefully, just like every other country in the West. But, hey, that could have taken a few years to happen. Nah. Better to kill everybody and let God sort them out.

            I don’t think Rand would argue that all rules are dumb. I think he would argue that there’s no evidence that any faith should be put in Mark Emmert. Sure, he’s screwed up everything he’s touched so far. But that’s just because we haven’t let him screw with MORE things, right? If he keeps tinkering, he’ll eventually have to get something right. I mean, that’s better than not having an authoritarian figure, right?

      • Scorpio Jones, III

        Where do I say it is a good thing? Like….nowhere?

        • If I misconstrued “One of the very few things colleges have control of, without the NCAA is how each school choses to deal with player behavior issues.” I apologize. I didn’t take that as criticism.

  5. 69Dawg

    The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Long before the players can get organized, the five power conferences are going to just up and pull out of the NCAA. Heck they are getting sued anyway what do they need the SOB’s at the NCAA for any way. The five may form the Big Ass Football League or they may just split and make it every conference for itself. Think about that for a moment, Keep the rules of the game the same but make the other rules to suit the conference. Let the Bowl tie in’s control the post season and whatever they call the Championship organization handle the rest. Enforcement, we don’t need any stink’n enforcement, it’s the wild wild west on the recruiting trail and the recruiter with the most money wins. Heck let’s kick Vandy out of the conference since they are a private school and will be union shortly. I would like not having to listen to Delany’s snarky comments about the SEC. We’ll show him the absolute power the SEC can unleash when not hamstrung by the NCAA.

  6. HVL Dawg

    Can you imagine the players from Northwestern going on strike because UGA won’t lower the punishment standard?

  7. South FL Dawg

    Public school teachers are unionized, at least here in Florida. Police officers too. And linemen for the power company. Not a big deal.

  8. Debby Balcer

    Unions had their place when they were conceived they gave power to the powerless. Workplace safety was horrible before unions. Some of them are very corrupt now but they were started with honorable intentions. Medical issues for players are Nothing to sneeze about. Unfortunately it has come to this. Balance and moderation are good for all. When one side has all the power they tend to abuse it. This is coming for a Republican moderate.

    • Hackerdog

      Unions had less to do with workplace safety than conventional wisdom suggests. However, unions are fine as long as membership is voluntary. It’s when unions seize dues from workers and tell them it’s for their own good that abuses are more likely to happen.

    • When one side has all the power they tend to abuse it.

      That’s the entire story of what’s going down right now, in one sentence.

  9. Spike

    Just what the world needs. Another union. Do they get secret ballots to vote? Or do they have tell the union “reps” how they tare voting?

    • Macallanlover

      If the Leftists have their way, they will have to vote in front of enforcers Bluto and Tiny and then hope they can outrun them if they don’t follow the Komrade leadership, that is, if they still have any kneecaps left. The Dims seriously proposed this method of voting on union issues, in this country, and are pissed it didn’t pass! Not ANY different than what went on under folks like Mao, Stalin, Saddam, Chavez,etc. The logic of that train of thought should scare the hell out of you. These are the same people who want to bash, and silence, opposing views on the public airwaves. Yeah, let’s expand the people’s revolt.

  10. Normaltown Mike

    Well if they start treating players the way that most schools treat frats, we should expect an entire football team to get the death penalty for hazing by a few bad apples.

    I’m sure the season ticket holders will love making those contributions when the team is on a five year hiatus.

  11. Rock and Roll Rebel

    I am for whatever plan will end these fiefdoms.
    And I am not one bit sad if it hurts the NCAA.
    What have they done for us lately?

  12. Doug

    It’s perplexing how the same people who are all about individual freedoms and being able to profit off of one’s own talents and achievements without outside interference are now howling at the moon about power being taken away from the fat, sclerotic, bureaucratized NCAA and put into the hands of the players they claim to be all about supporting on Saturdays. Just another example of how the only people we approve of making money in this country are the ones who already have plenty of it.

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