The Founding Fathers approve this message.

Oy, Ken Starr.  Oy.

You know, with a couple of the right moves, I could really grow to hate college athletics.


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54 responses to “The Founding Fathers approve this message.

  1. Monday Night Frotteur

    A light is being shined on the rentier-class administrators, e.g. Starr, Delany, Emmert, etc., and the outrageously high amount of compensation they get and control they have under the status quo. Their only arguments left to preserve that status quo are rote, definitional arguments that never win in the long run.

    It’s only a matter of time now. The future will be better.

    • Normaltown Mike

      You understand that Ken Starr takes a significant pay cut from work as a trial lawyer to be President of a Baptist college in Waco?

      • Kinda like working on a plantation, hunh… oh, wait.

        • Normaltown Mike

          He made a choice. Kind of like a college football player choosing to play football at an NCAA member school. Very plantation-ish.

          • Aside from not risking his physical health and still gettin’ paid considerably more than a scholarship, that’s spot on.

            • Normaltown Mike

              I’m not sure I follow your point. Frotteur calls Starr a rent seeker. I point out that Starr’s market value is significantly higher than his pay.

              Are you saying you want athletes to be paid the same as the President?

              • I point out that Starr’s market value is significantly higher than his pay.

                I think you get my point just fine.

                • Normaltown Mike


                  A person that chooses to not work and instead enroll in college makes less money than the President of said university.

              • Will (the other one)

                His value as a lawyer yes, but is he really providing mid-six figures worth of value as an administrator? Or is he just sucking up extra cash in return for needless extra layers of bureaucracy that force the school to hire more adjunct professors instead of full-time professors?

          • Cosmic Dawg

            Mike, I am usually in agreement with you, but Starr doesn’t have a govt-NFL-NCAA collusion preventing him making fair market value as a trial lawyer in the free market if he so chooses. The cfb player does – his choices are artificially limited. At the least, competition from the market would help to force colleges to change the way they treat non-money compensation (health care, for example)

      • mp

        Does Baylor give back a portion of their Big-12 revenue, too?

        • Normaltown Mike

          I don’t know what you are axing.

          • mp

            I’m surprised. You seem so astute. To be fair, though, it wasn’t really about Starr.

            I merely meant that a “religious organization” (in this case one participating in secular activities unrelated to its religious charter) invoking religious liberty in pursuit of higher profits is a sad but common story.

    • Be ready for really high ticket prices, booing the employees, less scholarship opportunities, and roster management that will make Nick Saban blush. I only hope the people making the decisions don’t ruin the product.

      • Monday Night Frotteur

        Be ready for really high ticket prices

        Uh, ticket prices have been high for a decade. They’re set by the market; these schools aren’t running charities for fans.

        booing the employees

        Uh, that already happens. Check out Tommy Rees’s twitter account.

        roster management that will make Nick Saban blush

        Maybe, maybe not. Georgia cuts a kid who was a blue chip recruit after one year, there would be a nice little bidding war for his services between Ga. State, So. Ga., maybe even Tech? Overall the football players are going to be dramatically better off.

          • Most of the booing comes from the fringe element in the fan base. I’m not naive enough to believe it doesn’t happen now. It will be worse in the pay-for-play era that everyone thinks is a brave new world.

            Regarding roster management, I don’t see that’s going to be better for players who don’t pan out than it will be now. Are their reforms that would work? Yes, I agree with Senator’s opinion on those items. Will the powers that be enact them and the attorneys agree that it’s sufficient? Probably not, so the NCAA hopes the Feds bail them out and the attorneys want the treble damages that come from the antitrust lawsuit.

            In the end, the alumni and fans get left holding the bill. Everyone involved better hope that the customers don’t decide to spend their Saturdays doing something other than watching college football and basketball.

      • Spence

        So you’ll boo you team just because they’re getting paid a living wage now?

        • DawgPhan

          remember that most of these folks will be booing from home and the ones in the stadium are pretty miserable and unhappy before they ever get to the stadium. Booing is probably the nicest thing they will do on saturday.

          • 3rdandGrantham

            In conjunction with that, generally speaking, the happier and more successful people are, the less wrapped up or totally consumed they are with their favorite team.

            Well-adjusted, happy, and successful middle aged guys don’t like and die with their favorite team—they take it all in stride and few sports as a casual entertainment option. On the flip side, the one who goes nuts during and after their team loses (or thinks he’s on top of the world when they win), most likely is unhappy and basically living in a state of drift.

            • Spence

              As an otherwise “successful middle aged guy” I’m not sure what to make of your comment. Many a remote control has suffered my wrath.

              • 3rdandGrantham

                Hence me qualifying my comments with “generally speaking;” perhaps you go against the norm. With that said, almost every successful person I know or have met rarely concern or worry much about things that are outside of their control; instead they focus their passion on things in their life they actually have control over (career, hobbies, health, etc.)

                Conversely, generally those who don’t have a lot going for them often are the ones who are totally wrapped up into their favorite team (or something else they don’t have control over but still devote a lot of their time/emotion to it anyway).

                • Spence

                  I have lots of control over the Dawgs. If I don’t wear underwear to games, the Dawgs play better. I have to change lucky shirts each year and if I don’t we’ll suffer. My wife must be with me if I watch on tv, and it’s bad luck to watch games with my friend Mike. Since we got our cat the week of Ga/Fl three years ago we have not lost to Florida, and if it ever dies I worry about the series reverting. I bought lucky socks and soon realized it’s good luck to wear only one of them, however that trend may be reversing.

                  And you say I’m not “well-adjusted.”

                  • 3rdandGrantham

                    Well done. Ironically enough, there are more than a few Dawg fans out there who would read that and simply reply: ‘I know…right? I’ve worn this hat everyday without washing it since the UGA-UF game in ’11.”

                  • John Denver is full of shit...

                    You should have started out the paragraph with.

                    Since we got our cat…

            • Dog in Fla

              “On the flip side, the one who goes nuts during and after their team loses (or thinks he’s on top of the world when they win), most likely is unhappy and basically living in a state of drift.”

              Otherwise known as the State of Alabama

        • I don’t boo, period (other than the crooks known as SEC officials) … my point is that crowds are more likely to boo individual players knowing that they are being paid (go to any pro stadium/arena). The players’ compensation in a pure pay-for-play environment will be subject to open records requests and will be splattered across the front page of the AUC. My only point is that there will be unintended consequences of pay-for-play that are not going to be the “candy and roses” that all of the p4p advocates are leading us to believe.

          • DawgPhan
            • can’t roll eye hard enough *
            • Do you know me? Have you sat next to me? I don’t boo individual players or the team. I wouldn’t under a P4P scenario either. It’s easy for you to type that response from the anonymity of your computer.

              If you’re “rolling your eyes” at the comment about the paper, what makes you think that the paper wouldn’t disclose the financial arrangement made with each member of the incoming signing class and every player on the team through an open records request?

              I know we don’t see eye to eye on the issue at hand. I don’t think the status quo is acceptable, but I also don’t think pure P4P is appropriate in this case either. I happen to think that the education with a full-cost scholarship, the ability to trade on name/likeness and the demands of CAPA are reasonable. I know your stance is that each player should sign with the highest bidder.

  2. John Denver is full of shit...

    Senator, that is spot on. An excellent exercise in brevity!

  3. Krautdawg

    Don’t hate. You’ll recall there was no disciples’ union in Jesus’s time. And the poor shall always be with us. Ideally, they will also bash each other for our amusement. Go Baptist Bears!

  4. HVL Dawg

    When Monica Lewinski popped off in the news this week, I should have expected a Ken Star appearance to be just a little behind.

  5. Cojones

    Baptists never have sex while standing. They fear that, if seen, someone will think they are dancing.

  6. Derek

    If players get to unionize anywhere, the players will get benefits everywhere that colleges wish to compete at the highest level: public institutions and religious ones too. In fact, I would make the case that if unionization were to occur that the “right to work” statutes in the south would eventually undergo some considerable tinkering by previously anti-union pols.

  7. PatinDC

    Why would being a pseudo-religious organization allow you to be exempt from employment rules?

  8. Spence

    In 1955, shortly after the Brown v. Board of education ruling was announced, the governor of Georgia had been bragging on his refusal to comport with desegregation. He stated that Georgia Tech should not be allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl because Pittsburgh had an African-American on the team (reserve running back) and because the Sugar Bowl had allowed Pitt fans to be seated in a nonsegregated manner.

    Tech students, in howling protest, broke through police lines at the capitol and smashed the gov’s windows and doors of his office. Governor Marvin Griffin backed down.

    I suspect but cannot know that any efforts by colleges, universities, and politicians to restrict their football teams’ ability to compete will be met with a deafening roar of fandom which will trump whatever political beliefs those fanbases may carry, particularly on an issue so borderline as whether college players should be paid small salaries for their services.

    • Mayor

      It may be only semantics but I disagree that giving players the equivalent of a meals, clothing and spending allowance while they are on scholarship and playing/practicing full-time, thereby precluding them from working another job to earn spending money, is the same thing as paying a “salary.”

  9. Dog in Fla

    Upon hearing Solicitor Starr’s expectations, members of the House thought:

    (a.) Where’s my Orgasmatron℠ (Republican majority)
    (b.) Where’s my Suicide Machine® (Democratic minority)
    (c.) Where’s my Intern™ (113th Congress, 2nd Session [2014])
    (d.) Where’s the Beef© (House Minority Leader)

  10. Hogbody Spradlin

    Colleges using religion as refuge from government regulation? That thought brings an ironic smile.

  11. Brcdavis

    I’m afraid this blog is turning into yet another place to read people bicker over politics…sad.

  12. You know, I used to love reading this site every day. Good stuff about the dogs and other football info. Now it’s mainly just one long constant complaint about the ncaa with an occasional Dawg treat thrown in.

    • Dude, it’s mid-May. How many posts about Georgia football do you think I can come up with on a day-to-day basis this deep into the offseason?

      I don’t write about anything but college football-related topics, so would posting less make you happier?

      Not trying to be snarky here. I just don’t get this type of complaint. Especially the “occasional Dawg treat thrown in” crack.

    • Cojones

      What? You missed the political comments? Did you miss the good and varied musical appetizers, the underbelly of the beast stories, pokin’ the bear articles about other conference Commissioners and our own police (complete with Major Domo), doggy-style porn, icon bustin’, and all the other subjects that us good decent football-lovin’ ‘Mericans read and respond to with great literature and religious quotes (“I may not believe in a think that you say, but will fight to your death your right to say them”, “Smoke’em if you got’em” if you don’t have an ashram) ?

      If I spoke farsi, I’d ask if you are a Shiite Head since you may want secularized football. The Senator is being a wise Dawg by first digging the hole large enough to bury the NCAA. Then and only then will he bury his boner.