I really didn’t feel like taking the time to fisk this absurd post about Grantham because it was such obvious bullshit on its face, but Tyler brings the smack here, if you’re so inclined.
One thing in particular he writes bears repeating: “On the most obvious of passing downs, Georgia allowed a staggering passer rating of 192.77, a full 25 points higher than Arkansas.” That’s a stat I’ve taken note of before.
If that’s a situation Jeremy Pruitt can’t improve dramatically this season, then we’ve seriously overestimated the guy’s coaching prowess.
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I agree. Last year’s 3rd & long performance was historically bad, IMO. I can’t believe we wouldn’t be at least closer to average even with all new players, because surely the vast majority of college coaches in the country can take the players we have and do better than that.
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No doubt but h/t to the due diligence needed to take a historically bad 192.77 passer rating and turn it into $5,000,000 guaranteed
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It is almost impossible to be worse than that, and the vast majority of coaches did better. I have to believe that Pruitt will improve even if he doesn’t try to.
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Sounded like the same Grantham quotes we heard before Year 1 in Athens.
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That does not look good.
The young defense really struggled that one year.
I thought Grantham did a fine job in 2011 & 2012 though.
Grantham was also top 20 in the nation in 2011 and 2012 on 3rd and 10+.
Note:
Better than Pruitt at Alabama both years.
Yes, you can cherry pick stats if you wanna though.
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Our SEC schedule consisted of the 8 worst scoring offenses in the league. Think about that. He couldn’t have had things lined up in his favor any more if we tried, and yet we had what, the third or fourth best D in the conference?
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Nevermind. I replied without reading everything else below.
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Grantham’s scoring defense improved in 2010, 2011 & 2012.
He took over a def that finished 63rd with Martinez, and finished 36th in 2010.
Then finished 23rd in 2011
Finished 18th in 2012.
But good try there boys.
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If your point is that Grantham was an improvement over Martinez, I doubt you’ll get much of an argument.
But how come you don’t mention 2013?
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Prob same reason you didn’t compare 3rd and 10 pass yards of Grantham and Pruitt in 2011 & 2012.
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Of course if you look at the rush stats in 2012, teams didn’t need to pass.
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So what you are saying is that as long as Grantham had upper classman and NFL type guys he could coach but that since he didn’t have that in 2013 he was not capable of changing his NFL system to suit his player’s lack of experience. He was not a good fundamental coach, he was a good symmetric coach. I’m sure that if the guys had been were CTG wanted them to be his defense would have been good. Problem was that they did not know 1. where the heck they were suppose to be and 2. what the heck to do when they were actually there. Pruitt may not be that great and CTG might take Louisville to the promise land but I think that is not going to happen.
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Certainly not excusing Grantham’s performance at all, because it was his job to be better than the average, at least, but listening to a Big 12 coordinator this past week helped me few the UGA situation differently. He talked about how the speed of the college game at changed dramatically, and why that differed so from the pro game.
He identified the biggest problem as one of communication since there was no longer time for sending information into a Mike LB and having them relay it to others, often in a semi-huddle. The offense being at the line immediately after the ball is placed, even in a check-with-me scheme, precludes any chance to operate a defense in college they way the pros still do it. The towel and smoke signal method CTG used is still open for ridiculing but his inability to find a way was enhanced by his NFL background. Remember the problems the defensive guru, Kiffin Sr., had with spread offenses at both TN and USC? He was toasted every time he faced teams that did not employ NFL style offenses.
While CTG was certainly inept in teaching players at the collegiate level, I feel our not having an idea what to do and where to line up prior to the snap is more related to the inability to get the defensive call in. Ultimately that may all relate back to his inability to teach players to recognize a situation/set but it does lend some validity to using HS and college coaches who are more familiar with the pace of the game at lower levels. As we throw the last dirt on his UGA grave, he was never a good fit anyway for UGA’s needs, or Richt’s staff.
Good riddance for sure, but more importantly we may need to learn a valuable lesson about this the next time we are shopping for coaches: the gap between the collegiate and pro games have increased significantly the past 15 years and fishing in the NFL pool may not have much value.
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^^^this
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Pruitt finished 75th on 3rd and 7-9 yards in 2012 at Alabama in passing yards.
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FSU’s opponents’ passer rating on 3rd and 7-9 yards in 2013: 45.28.
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I would not bring FSU up if I were you.
He finished 98th in pass yards in 2013 on 3rd and 10+.
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And a passer rating of 94.03.
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Passing yards are 20x more important than passer rating
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Why?
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Cuz yards move the ball
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If you don’t score or if you turn the ball over, so what?
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Just to show you how dumb pass effic stat is, look at A Murray, the last UGA Qb, he did pretty good there, top 25 pretty much all 4 years, but what was his record vs ranked teams, like 4-20 or something? Doesn’t make sense if you’re right about passer effic.
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Except pass efficiency has nothing to do with how many points the other team scores, but by all means, keep beating the “Aaron Murray sucked because his defense couldn’t stop anyone” drum.
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Seems to me if you get 12 yards on 3rd and 15 and still punt, yards moving the ball are not so important.
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Grantham gave up less passing yards on 3rd down in 2012 than Pruitt at Alabama.
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Are you serious with this shit? ‘Bama faced 25% more throws on third down than Georgia did… and their overall stats were still superior.
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Attempts were about the same in 2011, but Grantham’s defense did better in passing yards than Pruitt’s at Alabama, what’s your excuse there cherry picker?
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that’s pass yard on 3rd and 10, both had @50 pass attempts, Grantham crushed Pruitt in 2011, 18th to 51st?
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Congrats! After all that statistical sifting, you finally found a win for Grantham.
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18th to 51st isn’t a win, it’s a crushing victory.
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On third down in 2011, Alabama gave up 457 passing yards. Georgia gave up 581 passing yards.
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vs ranked teams:
Grantham beat Pruitt in 2012 in pass def pass accuracy:
UGA was 25th, Bama was 40th.
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You started this discussion with scoring defense. Alabama has been far superior to Georgia over the years you bring up; so has FSU. In fact, during those three years, Pruitt’s teams ranked first nationally.
Now that you’re cherry picking stats, what’s your point? That Pruitt won’t be able to improve upon Grantham’s 2013 performance?
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My point is Richt picked Grantham, so he must not suck as bad as your cherry pick stats indicate. If he does, Richt picked him, so you are doubting Richt’s competency.
I also proved how easy it was to cherry pick to try and prove your point.
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Richt picked Martinez, too.
Nothing you’ve said explains away how poor Georgia’s 2013 defense was.
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Auburn has an easier time passing the ball on Pruitt in 2013 than Grantham about any way you want to measure it.
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Ok, I will feed the troll, Dude, what is your point? That I (we) should be sorry Grantham went to Louisville? That we should be sorry we hired Pruitt? What? Or do you actually have a point?
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Pruitt’s d gave up big time yards and accuracy to 3 Qb’s in the last scrimmage, Mason, Ramsey, Park, all completed 70% of their passes.
Good sign to you guys? Look ready to go?
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Okay, you’ve had your fun. Time to run along now.
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I note the former defensive coordinator at Georgia is doing all his own talking at this point.
I wonder how long that will last?
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I note Pruitt gave up 1300 yards passing in the last 2 scrimmages.
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I see that Thomas Brown changed his name again.
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+1
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Petrino must have given his staff the weekend off. I think CTG is trolling on GTP.
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Does this ignorant tool even know enough about football to be here? This is a team game, to assign an individual the blame, or credit for a team’s record is simplistic. Wonder what UGA’s record would have been with AM at QB if he had an LSU, Bama, or FU defense? The SECCG loss was Murray’s fault and not the Grantham coached defense? Seriously? Last year UGA had to average over 30 points per game just to tie, and that was against the overall average. Anyone who assigns blame to Aaron Murray’s effort/skill in hius tenure in Athens did not watch UGA play and shouldn’t be here.
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So what’s your theory? You really want us to believe Grantham was worse than Martinez? The stats say otherwise.
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I didn’t say anything in my comment about Martinez’s time as DC so I don’t understand your comment at all. I did like Martinez better than CTG but most of all I am grateful that Pruitt has arrived in Athens.
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It’s amazing to me how some folks want to give Murray grief for his struggles against ranked teams but somehow Grantham gets a pass even though he got destroyed every time we faced a decent offense. Boise State, EVERY freakin’ USC game , LSU both times, Alabama, Auburn in 2010 and 13. I could go on and on.
I remember Murray giving good defenses all they could handle, but I can’t remember a single instance of a good offense having a bad game against Todd.
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If we’d have won the Auburn game Todd would’ve given himself credit for making “the stops when we needed too”, including the one where the the two two auburn players ran into one another on third down.
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to* before a gammar nazi jimps all over me
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face palm
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Gammar® in a box
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We outta won that game, just an unlucky bounce, but the defensive call was perfect.
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Before 2010, Richt won 66% of his games against ranked teams.
2010-2013 dropped to below 35%, Grantham was better than Willie, so must been some other reason.
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Our scoring offense was ranked higher than our scoring defense most years (cfbstats.com only shows 2007-2013), so if your insinuating that offense was the problem then I think you need to reconsider.
Special teams though, that’s another story
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Senator I thought you had a rule against “Sock-Puppets” seems like Thomas Brown has nothing to do at his web site so he has found a way to change names every we notice him. Everybody ignore this shit and he will go away.
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I’m curious as to what Dwalker’s agenda is. I mean, seriously, can anyone say with a straight face that they are sad Grantham was replaced by Pruitt??
UGA’s D was horrible last year. You don’t need to even “cherry pick” stats to see that. Hell, a blind man could even see it!
UGA needed a change in leadership on the defensive front. EVERYTHING that has been posted about Pruitt has been positive. If nothing else, it’s hard to imagine that Pruitt could be worse than Grantham was last year
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I saw the headline and figured it was Bauta’s QBR rating from scrimmage the other night and our favorite troller would be out. I was half right about the half-wit.
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Do you think a thank you card to Petrino would go over well right now?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000379684/article/report-uls-bob-petrino-feuding-with-staff-players?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfb
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