ADs of a feather…

You will no doubt be shocked, shocked to learn that Jeff Long is totally fine with the idea that Pat Haden’s partisan behavior at the USC-Stanford game has no bearing on his ability to serve dispassionately on the playoff selection committee.

“Well, you know, Bill Hancock from the College Football Playoff issued a statement. But my view is very similar. You know, we can all get passionate about our teams, and you know, I’m passionate about the Arkansas Razorbacks. Matter of fact, I was at the volleyball game last night, and I was excited about some calls. But, you know, the Pac-12 handled it as they should. I think that it doesn’t affect the way that Pat Haden’s going to evaluate teams, make tough decisions when we come down to making tough decisions in the selection process. So, you know, I don’t think his actions affect his ability to serve extremely well on the Playoff Committee.”

Even if he did, I doubt he’d tell us.  In any event, once you start questioning one athletic director’s impartiality, where will it end?  Not at volleyball games, that’s for sure.

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29 responses to “ADs of a feather…

  1. Cosmic Dawg

    Because, you know, a huge pool of sportswriters and computers are unreliable, and the statistical smoothing effect of 100+ coaches wouldn’t be ideal either. Nor would forcing all the teams into conferences and having a playoff of conference champs.

    No, we need a star council of Top Men. STFU, we’ll handle it.

    Pisses me off. It would be real, real hard, but I would support a boycott of the playoffs. Sacrifice watching a couple games to draw a line in the sand with the “overlord” selection method.

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  2. Russ

    The conspiracy theorist in me says they’re going to screw this up purposely just so they can expand to 8 teams more quickly.

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    • Macallanlover

      LOL, we could only hope they would fix this half-assed solution to the problem by expanding to eight before a decade of this goes further.

      But, the inclusion of any active AD, coach, or player sets it up for ridicule. my bet it the ones who voted for only four teams are the same ones who put Long and Hayden on the committee. Doomed to be controversial. Forgetting the obvious bias complaints, who besides a coach and an AD has less time to be concerned about the national picture? As Hayden said defending why he went down to the field, this is my team. Of course it is, and it should be his first priority. Exactly why it was a foolish decision. They should both resign from the committee and cite the impossibility of the task from both a time and an objective perspective.

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      • Cojones

        Yes! See my post below. We are independently expressing on the same thinking track. Mac,are you sure you ain’t a scientist?

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        • Macallanlover

          You found me out, been working on mind reading project and started with minds that had been “smoked” for years and more susceptible to raids from afar.

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  3. Dog in Fla

    “Matter of fact, I was at the volleyball game last night,”

    Bobby Petrino invented that technique

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  4. Kevin

    It is all part of the plan to strip the SEC of the power and dominance it currently possesses. Cause, ya know, it’s unfair for the others to not get a trophy as well.

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  5. MGW

    Honestly, any AD who gives a damn about his school either does that (which is of course poor form), or he wants to and doesn’t. As far as impartiality on a selection committee, why does it matter? They are both going to cast their vote the same way.

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  6. Call me crazy, but I don’t have a problem with this. Personally, I’m glad to see Pat has a little fire in him.

    Most ADs would be scanning their smartphones reading emails with up to date concession sales information, but Pat is texting with the coach. How cool is that?

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    • Joe Schmoe

      I don’t care that he went down to the field. I do care that he is on the selection committee.

      Only the NCAA would concoct a system that is so rife with conflicts of interest.

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      • Eh, it just confirmed what we already knew. 🙂

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        • MGW

          Exactly. Its nothing new, just a reminder of something bad. I don’t understand the new outrage.

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          • Cosmic Dawg

            In the past the polls and computers pushed the contenders to the top. Now it’s an extremely small group of so-called experts with obvious conflicts of interest. You don’t see a decrease in objectivity here?

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            • MGW

              between when a guy was in the press box and when he went down on the field? No.

              Point is we already knew the new system was bad. But now that some AD acted impartially we’re acting like we didn’t know it was bad. Never said it was better than the BCS method.

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        • Macallanlover

          True BD, but his very first comment spoke to his high sense of obligation to the program which he felt influenced what he then said was bad judgment. We certainly all knew this was problematic but for him to speak so openly of it makes it undeniable now. That quote should be thrown in the face of those who allowed it. Then let’s deal with how much time they really have to watch, and read, about the featured teams. I like and respect Hayden personally, but he undermines the credibility of the committee to even me, a moderate supporter of it versus the computers, coaches, or press.

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          • Dog in Fla

            I like the way he takes a meeting at LAX to fire people in the middle of the night. He’s like a sniper with an infrared scope

            “After Saturday night’s game, as USC’s team and traveling party boarded a plane back to Los Angeles about 1 a.m., Haden said he told Kiffin that he would like to meet upon arrival at LAX. They spoke about 3 a.m. for 45 minutes in a private room at the airport, Haden said.

            Kiffin “was clearly disappointed and battled me,” Haden said. “He really tried to keep his job and I respect him for that.”

            http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/30/sports/la-sp-0930-usc-lane-kiffin-20130930

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            • Macallanlover

              Some people need to be taken out, no matter how, and Kiffen is one of those. You have sympathy for the damnedest people DIF. Let the turd walk home, he had basically stolen USC’s money at that point because he gave them nothing in return for what it cost them..

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  7. Cojones

    The Pick’em mentality that went into setting up such a group has the committee and proponents defending it before the first selection is ever made. Why? Because it was a shitty idea with no imagination in the first place. No one is brighter than anyone else here when taking this course because no one has suggested a better way. Instead of proposing a differing method using a true playoff mentality, the CFB world has lazily kept the old status quo of Pick’em. Everyone knows it is the worst method to seek objectivity ever not well-planned.

    Bitchin’ about it won’t change it; that just leads to us insulting each other. If we couldn’t see from the git-go that we would arrive at this point, then we just pulled a Rip Van Winkle, multitude-style, and we should blame ourselves for letting it go this far.

    I say try the thinking again by raising salient points to be undertaken in this quest (it didn’t start out as a quest when most fans voted to see a playoff long ago) and flesh each one out until it makes sense to most. Stop the friggin’ manipulation by subjective thinkers who try to convince everyone to their own precepted badvantage (the “b” was a typo, but when a good word comes as serendipitously as this one, I’m leaving it in).

    It should have been set at 8 teams as the first and final number that encorporates the spirit of a playoff. Please stop the “dilution” theory button-pushing and threatening with a 16-team going to a BBall playoff emulation as a point in the argument. It’s sad and doesn’t get us to where we were headed in the first place.

    I admit that if I were on such a committee, they would hear about the Dawgs every mouthful. That’s because I’m a scientist who loves objectivity and it is impossible for me to be objective about them on a national stage. It would be easier to accept and go along with it if the members all admitted to the same subjectivity. Pretending don’t help. Even the 8-team playoff would be a subjective goal because I feel that at least two SEC members would be in the final 8 and would go on to whip everyone’s ass and play each other for the NC.

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  8. Off topic, but it appears that Sting Talk is back to being an open forum, or at least it was 20 minutes ago.

    They have a thread up about the returned tickets, bitching about them costing 90 bucks, they are clueless as to why. Good stuff.

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  9. Dog in Fla

    Scuttlebutt is that Condi is already impatient with the Athletic Directors

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/condoleezza-rice-spends-first-15-minutes-of-colleg,36775/

    and that there could possibly be a Selection Committee vacancy soon

    http://rawstory.tumblr.com/post/97166837467/nothing-is-ever-so-bad-that-we-cant-make-it-much-much

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  10. MGW

    How bout we just go back to the old bowl system before the BCS? If two teams or even three claim to be the champion… who cares?

    Lets see what we’ve accomplished in the quest for the perfect championship determining post season and the resulting conference realignment…… no more Texas/Texas A&M, no more Mizzou/Kansas, no more Notre Dame/Michigan, no more Pitt/WV, no more Nebraska/Oklahoma, Florida/Miami, or Pitt/Penn State, and Georgia Clemson is played like twice a decade, and thats only because those games were scheduled before Mizzou and A&M were added to the SEC. We’ve got people, in our own conference, arguing that Georgia shouldn’t play Auburn every year, and neither should Alabama play Tennessee.

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    • Macallanlover

      Wow. The “old system” took the best of the ex-Big Ten and the PAC 12 and “protected” them in the Rose Bowl. Urban would really like your idea, so would a West Coast guy, you can bet one of them would claim a title every year. No one knew how weak the Big X was until they had to start playing teams from other regions of the country. Don’t really understand those who prefer to argue theories about who would prevail rather than throwing them on the field against one another, imagine if that concept spread to conference play, Florida would never play a game against SEC opponents, or leave the Swamp, just claim meaningless titles.

      Arguing it out might fill a lot of time but actually playing the game is my preference. This is nothing but another argument for more cupcakes and dodging confrontation, the old bowl alliances were awful unless we happened to get lucky and have a few equals available without some contract dictating they go elsewhere.

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      • MGW

        You lost all credibility at “Florida would never play a game against SEC opponents,” but I’ll humor you. The whole reason Florida and other teams choose to play more bad teams than they ought to is specifically to set themselves up to be in the best position to be “thrown on the field against one another” against someone else in the top 2, or now 4. But I guess you’re happy knowing they at least have to play Missouri every year.

        As for the Rose Bowl, I would love nothing more than for a bunch of west coast and big ten homers to declare the winner of a Utah vs. Rutgers Rose Bowl the national champion.

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        • Macallanlover

          Sorry, you missed my point but it is clear we will never agree on this subject so I am satisfied to move along. There is plenty of differences on what and how things should be run, room for multiple opinions. I have lived my whole life without being satisfied so another few isn’t going to cause me to jump off a bridge. I am satisfied that the ball has been moved far enough along that things will progress to the next level and be improved.

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        • Cojones

          MGW, are you aware that UGA used to play in the Rose Bowl as well as others from other conferences until the Big10, in all their grand puffery, chose to shut everyone out except the West Coast and ND because they had a chance back then to win the conscensus NC every year? Delany hasn’t taken a straight breath since, concerning manipulation of the press, when trying to declare the Big10 NCs every year. Instead of challenging the Bamas, the LSUs, the Dawgs, the Misses and all other teams who were good back then, their choice was to shut them out by exclusion contract in the “Grandaddy of them all” that always got the entire daylight of New Year’s Day for advertising how great they were(n’t).

          The country began to find out it wasn’t just Southern braggadocio selling our teams after the UGA/Ok lawsuit for TV rights be vested in each school. That was the beginning of the turnaround in the propaganda machine that had been hatched up between TV and the Big10. Give Vince Dooley (and principally, Bobby Dodd) credit for wanting to take it to the Rose Bowl teams, UCLA and Michigan (while Dodd wanted earlier to take it to ND) for challenge of supremacy in CFB. Instead of declaring a Big10 or ND winner to the NC, we now had the first form of a playoff on a national stage. They could run.but they couldn’t hide behind innuendo any more.

          The bowl games should be used to winnow down to the two or four best teams, but not used in propaganda methods to declare one of the big bowl winners (certainly not the Rose Bowl winner) as NC. The BCS was a natural bridging to a national playoff, no more. The “New”4-team BCS was the next step in many minds, but that got confused with “Playoff” because the BCS was so often wrongly referred to as such.

          Go back and look at the cupcake quality FU decided would be best for their chance to be declared NC and read Mac’s statement again. He’s correct; they aren’t mindful of being competitive under Crier and principally, Foley. And, from what I read , you agreed with him, but there ain’t no way that the Big10 would propose crowning new members of the Pac12 and Big10 as fittin’ to take the big boys’ place in the Rose Bowl. That’s the only thing left after backing themselves into the Big Stage competitive corner last weekend.

          That big “womb” you heard was the air going out of the Big10 (and Delany and Crier), not an elephant fart.

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      • Patrick

        I prefer old system.
        I don’t care one iota about “who would prevail”…it is the job of professional sports to crown champions, not college football.
        Just like I don’t give one iota about “who would prevail” between Walton High School and the top high school in Seattle….but let’s be honest, it’s unfortunately just a matter of time before they start “settling it on the field” and Walton and Lassiter never play each other again.

        When we all started viewing the college “national title” with the same importance of the Super Bowl, it was all over from there. My interest in the sport has peaked.

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