Chump’s change

For those of you who are wrapping themselves in the cloak of Butts-Mehre righteousness over l’affaire Gurley, before you get too comfortable, ask yourselves a simple question:  who’s being hurt by this?

Todd Gurley?  Hardly.  He was turning pro after this season, come what may.  This won’t affect his NFL draft standing a whit.

The Georgia athletic department?  Surely you jest. The TV money and other revenues rolling in won’t miss a beat.

Nah, it’s just the fan base that suffers.  Again.

If being pure of heart keeps you warm through the night, just consider the point of the rule that you think Gurley is foolish for (presumably) violating.  It’s there for one reason.  The schools don’t want to share with their student-athletes. The odds are pretty good that in the next year or so, they’re going to be told they can’t do that anymore.

So consider your virtue intact as Georgia allows another season to blow up for no good reason.  Me?  It’s a good thing I don’t have a dog to kick right now.

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UPDATE:  Or, to put it another way…

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245 responses to “Chump’s change

  1. sectionzalum

    rape? no suspension at FSU

    etc.

    smile for camera and cash?
    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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  2. Ah

    Nothing to lose??? He lost the Heisman trophy.

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  3. Andy

    I mostly agree, but you overlook one other group: the team. It hurts seniors like Mason, Bennett, and Conley, as well as the others who bust their butts every day to win a championship. It also hurts Richt, who wants to win as much as he wants to shape young men (and that’s a lot). If I feel bad for anyone other than us fans, it’s the team.

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    • Mark Richt is part of the B-M infrastructure. He’s okay with it.

      I doubt Gurley’s teammates are any more upset with him than AJ’s were. Their anger is going to be directed towards the NCAA.

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      • sectionzalum

        the only thing that speaks against TG at this point is that if he did what is being whispered, he most assuredly did what the coaching staff told him not to do. the coaches doubled down on that after AJ. for that possibility, there should be TEAM consequences. but fuck the NCAA. the bullshit factor for that cartel remains.

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      • Chopdawg

        My anger is directed toward this scumbag: “…a person confirmed to Georgia’s compliance office this week that he paid Gurley $400 to sign 80 items on campus in Athens…”

        CHOP

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        • Mine too. Though not all of it. Some of it’s now directed to Gurley, assuming he did it.
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          • Gravidy

            This is where I find myself in the minority. If Gurley is guilty, 100% of my anger is focused on him like a laser.

            We can talk about the rule being idiotic and hypocritical, because it is. We can talk about UGA punishing themselves in some sort of righteous stupor, because they do. But those are discussions for another time. Right now, we should be talking about how dumb and selfish Gurley is… IF he is guilty.

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            • I agree, Grav. And said that about a half hour ago, but of course it got lost in the avalanche. Gurley is not stupid. If he did it, he did a stupid thing, a very selfish thing. And knew he was doing it.

              BTW, FWIW. I suspect Richt and GM already know he’s guilty, because Gurley told them the truth. That would explain why they said they’d have no further comment until next week.
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            • sectionzalum

              i think dumb and selfish is way over the top. 20 or 21 and happy to have some spending money has lured many a 20 or 21 year old. moral outrage shouldn’t be piled upon him more than anyone else.

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              • Gravidy

                So what other rules am I not supposed to expect college football players to follow?

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                • Raleigh St. Claire

                  There are only a few that direct all of the money from the efforts of young kids to old men.

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                • Gravidy

                  SectionZ thinks he shouldn’t be expected to follow the rules because he is too young. You seem to think he shouldn’t be expected to follow the rules for free market reasons.

                  I hope y’all will excuse me if I can’t keep up. When the two of you decide on a single, cogent argument for why I should expect Todd Gurley to follow the rules, please let me know. Then, and only then, will I be able to debate the point.

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                • Gravidy

                  shouldn’t expect

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              • Skeptic Dawg

                Many of us on the site crushed Johnny Football last year while going through this very issue. I know that I did. The same issues I had with Manzel are the same feelings I have towards Gurley. He was dumb and selfish. Our athletic department is the largest collective group of jackasses assembled. But no one would be in this position if Gurley were not being so dumb. Extra dumb for that matter, knowing that he witnessed Johnny Football go through this mess 1 year ago.

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            • Hackerdog

              A poor kid surrounded by millionaires is selfish for accepting an offer for $400? Sure. By the same logic, we can say that you’re selfish for accepting a salary for your job. After all, wouldn’t your boss prefer to consider you an amateur that works for nothing more than parts on the back and a stipend of $75 a week?

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              • Gravidy

                Actually, no, we can’t say that. At all. Not even close. In any way.

                And the reason is because I’m abiding by the terms of my agreement I willfully made with my boss.

                If the allegations are true, Gurley willfully violated the terms of his agreement, which he willfully accepted.

                If you think me calling him “dumb” and “selfish” was over the top, then that’s fine. I won’t get into an argument over that kind of stuff. But I will always be of the opinion that personal responsibility is important. Please feel free to disagree. But I hope you weren’t one of the commenter who were skewering Johnny Effin’ Football last year for the same thing.

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                • Did you have negotiating power when you entered into your work agreement? Because Gurley didn’t.

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                • Gravidy

                  No one said anything about that. But since you brought it up anyway, I’ll remind everyone that I am sympathetic to that argument. But it just so happens that that argument is completely unrelated to my original point: namely that Gurley willingly agreed to the terms of his eligibility and scholarship and then willingly flaunted them (if the allegations are true). If you want to discuss my original point, I’ll be glad to respond, but I won’t be chasing your argument all over the room just because you didn’t like what I said but weren’t able to effectively refute it.

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                • Hackerdog

                  So you’re unwilling to consider the fact that there are multiple problems with the current NCAA model of amateurism? Convenient.

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                • Gravidy

                  No, Hacker, I’m waiting for someone to effectively refute my argument that Gurley is the only single person who (by his own decisions) is responsible for this whole mess. I’m tired of everyone side-stepping my argument (because that’s really the only choice they have) and changing the subject to another completely different argument (one with which I basically agree) because they don’t like what I said, but have no way of logically refuting it.

                  So no, Hacker, there’s nothing convenient about my argument, But there is something mighty damned convenient about the arguments of my opponents so far. Do you want to change that trend? Or are you going to continue to ignore and/or diminish my point like all the rest?

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                • Hackerdog

                  Gurley behaved in a morally upstanding way. I refuse to join those that support a morally repugnant rule by throwing up their hands and saying, “Oh well, rules are rules and we must abide by even the illegal ones.”

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                • Hackerdog

                  One main difference is that you operate in a free market where you have options for employment. Gurley doesn’t.

                  So, it sounds good to say that he violated an agreement drawn up by NCAA lawyers (that the courts are even now in the process of declaring null and void). And that his agreement is just like your agreement of employment. But it’s just not true.

                  If you want to negotiate the terms of your employment, you can. If you want to leave your job, does your employer have the right to force you to sit out of the market for a year? If you want to profit off your name and likeness, can your employer force you not to? Of course not. But Gurley’s can. And has.

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                • Gravidy

                  I’m somewhat sympathetic to your argument. But, again, that is an argument for another time. Right now, all I’m concerned about is the allegation that Gurley willingly hurt his team and his university. For me, personal responsibility trumps all else.

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                • Raleigh St. Claire

                  Well, I guess you would understand if in the name of personal responsibility, Todd Gurley said to hell with all of you, rested himself for the rest of the year, and got drafted as high as possible while as healthy as he’s ever been.

                  That would be Todd be personally responsible from him and his family.

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                • Gravidy

                  That’s the most reasonable retort I’ve gotten on this subject so far, Raleigh. Congratulations…I think.

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                • Hackerdog

                  For me, personal responsibility ends when kids are expected to be indentured servants for the benefit of millionaires. It’s the height of hypocrisy to accuse the servants who break the rules of being selfish.

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                • Gravidy

                  Oh…and please don’t make an analogy telling me how my situation can be construed to be like Gurley’s and then tell me how my situation is very different from Gurley’s after I blow a hole in your argument.

                  And you never did tell me if you were one of the countless Georgia fans who were absolutely crushing Manziel for the same exact violation. You can’t have it both ways. I thought Manziel was selfish, and I think Gurley was too, if the allegations are true. Gurley can’t be a poor, pitiful, sympathetic figure just trying to get by if Manziel was a selfish prick.

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                • Hackerdog

                  You missed the point. You said Gurley was selfish because he didn’t work for free. I pointed out that, by that logic, you would also be selfish. You disagreed because you are abiding by a contract. But you, unlike GGurley, could seek representation and try to negotiate the terms of your contact. So, you how holes in nothing. You’re simply angry at a young man for not knowing his place and being unwilling to serve his matters without complaint.

                  And as far as Manziel last year, I thought he was obnoxious doing the money sign after serving a five minute suspension. But I don’t blame him for trying to profit from his name and likeness in the one industry where athletes are expected to give up their rights to their name and likenesses in perpetuity.

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                • Gravidy

                  How in the Hell could I possibly miss my own point? My point was not that he was selfish because he didn’t work for free. My point is that he was selfish because he purposefully chose to break the rules regardless of the fact that his teammates and his university would bear the brunt of the consequences. And I’m going to venture a guess that you are smart enough to know that. So that makes your straw man an especially weak one.

                  Why is it that every single person who has gone up against me on this point has either changed the subject or constructed a pathetic straw man? Oh, never mind. I know why.

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                • Hackerdog

                  You missed my point. Repeatedly. You keep thinking that a man behaving morally by breaking an immoral rule is selfish. I think your morals are exactly backwards. Immoral rules SHOULD be broken. People who meekly accept whatever immoral rules those in authority impose aren’t people. They’re sheep.I won’t condemn a young man for not being a sheep.

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        • El Dawgo in Evans

          My anger is directed toward this scumbag: “…an “Auburn fan” confirmed to Georgia’s compliance office this week that he paid Gurley $400 to sign 80 items on campus in Athens…”

          FIFY

          Somewhere, a redneck in Tennessee is wishing they had thought of this.

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        • I agree. Of course Gurley should get most of the blame, if he took any money for it. But, I guarantee you this scumbag didn’t say “Ill pay you $400 and then I’ll go tell on you the week before your biggest game.” That son of a b SET HIM UP!

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        • RugbyDawg79

          somebody needs to take that fella on a long fishing trip

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      • Agreed. MR has no prob with this.

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      • Andy

        Senator, you asked in the post who was hurt by the suspension- not who’s upset with Gurley. And the team is most assuredly hurt. Seniors may have just gone from an SEC championship appearance to an 8 win season.

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      • Mayor

        No. Their anger is going to be directed at B-M and possibly CMR.

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    • Oh, here’s a reaction from one of his teammates.

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      • Will (the other one)

        This might not exactly help with recruiting either. Unless Gurley said “yeah, I did it,” to the coaches, what it looks like is “we’re going to suspend you just in case, even if you say you didn’t do it,” whereas TAMU goes to bat for their best player, despite it looking a bit iffy. Particularly after the O’Bannion ruling, where would you feel better about signing?

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        • This is just a guess, but I suspect they’ve already talked to Gurley, and I suspect he told the truth.
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          • Dog in Fla

            We can’t handle the truth. We simply have no clue how to handle the truth

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          • greeneggboy

            Who cares what he told the coaches or administration? The point is what, based on prior cases, he should tell to the NCAA. As a matter of precedent, the acceptable method is to stonewall and lie. See Manziel and Newton. If the NCAA does not have a direct admission from the player, they can’t “prove” it happened. How else do you explain the lack of dicipline despite 800k in Cam Newton’s father’s bank account and the pictures of Johnny Manziel. That was highly damning evidence to me, but insufficient to the NCAA.

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            • MinnesotaDawg

              Exactly. So in this respect, UGA is acting on behalf of the NCAA (basically doing its job for them) w/ regard to investigation, prosecution, and punishment, rather than acting on behalf or providing the best advice to one of its athletes (or its football team, or its fans, etc). Don’t think that the current players and potential future players can’t appreciate the meaning of UGA’s actions.

              Our lapdog approach to the NCAA is even more laughable when you consider that they screw us to the wall whenever the chance presents itself anyway.

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              • Cojones

                What makes me think that you guys aren’t ignorant of what schools do to cut down on the punishment from the NCAA? This is done by all schools when the info is known at the school. There is no choice except, of course, the Paul Johnson approach and that didn’t work out well, did it?

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        • Yeah. I’m all for MR molding young men but it would be nice to see him actually stick up for his players too. And how freaking out of touch is mcgarity to think he could just drop this bomb and say he’s not going to comment til next week? It really must be some good ol boy convention over there in BM.

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          • No comment until next week leaves me to believe that this really caught them by surprise today as well.

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            • To me it sounds like more of the same from McGarity et al.

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              • Cojones

                Nobody is buying the anti Richt and Mac here. Give it a rest. If you don’t know how this is supposed to work, then stay ignorant. You are picking up the anti B-M cudgel at the wrong time.

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                • Well. Guess I was following the senator’s lead as far as BM goes. But frankly I don’t really want to argue. We have different opinions.

                  I’m pissed and disappointed bc Todd Gurley is literally my favorite player I’ve ever watched in red and black. I’m too young to remember HW.

                  If we can agree on one thing it’s that despite my sadness and frustration I’ll still be hoping for a win tomorrow and I hope we can all wish Chubb the best of luck. He could be a beast.

                  Sorry to have offended you with my venting but in the end Go Dawgs!

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        • Mayor

          Exactly.

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  4. This is pretty much exactly how I feel. I’m mad. I’m mad that this rule exists, and I’m mad that the team I love will be one of the last to be punished for it. The only good I can see is that this nonsense will be over soon. That doesn’t help us on Saturday, though. Of course it had to happen at the beginning of a brutal road stretch.

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    • Joe

      The rules do not exist anymore. That’s the irony. We are enforcing rules that are no long enforceable based on Autonomy and the O’Bannon ruling.

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      • Dog in Fla

        Donna Shalala thinks we’re not man enough

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      • Crochety

        I wish there was a way to shotgun 10,000 permutations of this sentiment to UGA Athletics administration. This is the nail/head summary of the situation.

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      • Yeah that’s why I’m mad. Disgusted is maybe a better word. They sat this young man down two years ago and told him “now don’t you do this.” Since then, things have changed. But to the people in charge, he went and did what they told him not to do and so he needs to be pun-ished. Never mind the fact that future kids won’t need to have that sit-down and no kids in the past should have had to suffer it.

        Y’all know that I’m a big supporter of our coach. But this is just bullshit. It doesn’t make the people who tear him down right but it doesn’t prove them wrong either. Fairness is important but it doesn’t mean treating everybody the same.

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        • Okay, I got it off my chest. Now I can say that I expected to lose a couple games this month anyway. Too many road games and too many questions. Losing the one thing we knew for sure about our team just makes it obvious what will happen.

          As long as we get him back for Florida and especially for Auburn, I’ll get over it. And if we don’t… well, fuck ’em anyway.

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  5. and it is this blatant hypocrisy, along with the never-ending revenue grab, the indifference towards fans and continued incestuous environment that permeates BM is why this, my 37th year as a season ticket holder will likely be my last.

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  6. stuckinred

    College sports have been blatant hypocrisy forever.

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  7. DublinLaurensDawg

    On the bright side, maybe I can upgrade my season tickets next season? With the hike in prices, terrible home schedule, and a p!ssed off fanbase; plenty of seats should be available.

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  8. It’s always something. ALWAYS.

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  9. Rocket Dawg

    Fuck you Greg McGarity
    Fuck you Mark Richt
    Fuck you Jere Morehead
    Fuck You Johnny Fooseball
    Fuck You Cam Newton
    Fuck You ESPN
    Fuck Bruce Feldman
    Fuck You NCAA
    Fuck!!!!

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  10. nashvegasdawg

    (1) UGA needs to learn how to lawyer up. Pretty sure the law school that I graduated from in ’92 is still there. Prez. jerry should tell CMR to shut up.

    (2) NCAA violations are not criminal. Did you speed today. You committed a crime, something Gurley isn’t accused of doing.

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  11. Tronan

    In the wake of the rant I’ve been on for the last 90 minutes, I was just thinking about this, Senator. I feel my rage toward the NCAA is justified (if only based on principle), but it’s UGA that’s the main actor right now, not the Emmertian dipshits. And, you’re right, the university and athletic department don’t want players getting in the way of revenue. Revenue that the former two are making off the latter. I am disgusted.

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    • satowndawg

      Happy richt will get his indoor facility by being mcgaritys lacky…way to fight for your players mark

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      • Yeah. No crap. If my kid was being recruited by MR I’d tell him that his commitment to take care of my kid is all fine and good but ask him why he doesn’t stick up for his players as well.

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  12. Thepainisreal

    Fans create Dawgs. Dawgs create BM. BM creates Brand. Brand trumps fans. Fans destroy Dawgs.

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  13. Jim

    When I read this news, after I muttered a cuss word and threw up, my first thought was the false accusation against gurley in the bar brawl a few weeks ago. One of the commenters here posted, I thought in jest, that the NCAA would be along shortly and just needed Todd’s bank records to clear the air. Now I am wondering if that isn’t precisely what happened. Mother fucker

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  14. What do we as fans do now?
    Boycott games until TGII3 is back on the field?
    Storm B-M with torches & pitchforks?
    Withhold our contributions & season ticket purchases?
    Write Morehead and McGarity to demand the AA support TGII3 instead of throwing him under the bus with AJ?

    It’s becoming harder and harder to be a Georgia fan …

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    • Scorpio Jones, III

      Is it harder now than the spring of 83? I don’t know. I am older, so it takes longer to get over shit.

      But all you mutha’s who been preaching hope…well now that’s what we got.

      So let’s all get in a big group and put our arms around each other and hope.

      For damn sure that’s all we can do…we just the fans.

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      • Scorp, what pisses me off about all of this is our willingness to throw 2 guys under the bus who have been model citizens and the face of the program in the name of the “Georgia Way.”

        We can hope to win on Saturday, but I really don’t think we have much of a chance given all of the distractions from today. I think I’ll go play golf Saturday morning instead. I may do that until this whole thing gets resolved and #3 is back on the field.

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        • Scorpio Jones, III

          I hear you, but If you get time, read the piece I posted below…sometimes you got no choice…none.

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        • Cojones

          If this doesn’t fuck up your golf game, nothing will. You will remember this all through the trashed front nine and will begin the back before realizing it won’t leave your head on the down stroke. Leave your clubs in the rack, go to the clubhouse and surround a pitcher of beer for the first half of the Mizzou game. You will be a better and more cheerful Dawg if you do. If you don’t, please don’t tell us your miserable score after you can’t get this shit out of your head.

          Golf!? Uzzi practice at the gun range may be a better sport.

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    • SAtownDawg

      I favor pitchforks but money is all that matters to the cretins in BM

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  15. PatinDC

    I hope we are able to get bowl eligible this season, 😦

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  16. Chuck

    More and more, Auburn’s and aTm’s approach (innocent until proven guilty) is the way to go. What do we lose? The NCAA has no credibility; the fear that we might have to forfeit a game after Johnny Football and others is virtually nil. Especially if there’s no evidence.

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  17. Why did Bilas post a link to all those Wahaun Ealey jersies? I don’t get it.

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  18. Scorpio Jones, III

    Just so I can understand, somebody please explain to me why a guy who paid Gurley $400 for memorabilia, in clear violation of the rules, then comes by the football office one afternoon this spring to let Mark Richt et al know that he has all this on tape and video.

    Why, pray tell me, would the scumbag do this?

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    • SAtownDawg

      and why would we investigate it if there was no proof money chnged hands….same way we drug test the players after spring break it’s the “Georgia Way”

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    • Scorpio Jones, III

      No shit, folks…what? Gurley signed the stuff in invisible ink? Pissed this guy off so he came runing to Richt?

      Really, WTF…

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      • Scorpio Jones, III

        Update: SI.com reported that “a person confirmed to Georgia’s compliance office this week that he paid Gurley $400 to sign 80 items on campus one day this spring.” That person was said to have a video and photo of Gurley signing the items, but neither showed money changing hands.

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    • Noonan

      Tech fan…

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    • rocksalt

      More money? Gee Todd, I’d hate to rat you out bud, how about you sign a few more items for me?

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    • Sounds like when Fulmer/UT ratted on Bama about Albert Means. Like a coach is pissed because he didn’t go there or some program up north pissed because they are nearly irrelevant. BTW, is your scenario hypothetical??

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      • Scorpio Jones, III

        If you mean my scenario, the scenario is what SI reported. I misread the time frame at first, thought he had come to the coaches in the spring. Turns out the signing was in the spring and the seller admitted he had paid Gurley to the compliance officer who apparently contacted him this week.

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        • SAtownDawg

          so our own compliance officer reached out to him and not the other way around…if so, I’m at a loss for words…

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        • Oh…I hadn’t seen that version there have already been so many. Nothing really that detailed and that’s why I asked.

          I’m just disappointed in UGA. They’re making it easy on a group who has done nothing but show how truly incompetent and dirty they are over the last few years, yet we somehow go ahead and throw ourselves on our own blade for bullshit antiquated rules. I mean…. they renigged on PSU ffs! Then we make ourselves feel better by saying “well he broke the rules.” Got damn Hitler had rules, too. Doesn’t mean anyone deserved to die. Our SEC chances likely just went down the drain over $400. Wtf!!

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    • Will (the other one)

      Because he bet on Mizzou before vegas took the lines down?

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    • Chopdawg

      Why are people like this free to do what they want? Gurley & UGA suffer for the actions of this money-grubbing lowlife. Maybe he wasn’t making enough cash, on what he’d sold so far; so he ratted Gurley out, got him suspended, & now the price of his lucre goes thru the roof.

      CHOP

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  19. The players hold all the power. Like you said, UGA is rolling in the dough regardless of fan outrage, NCAA legal snafus, etc. If they stand up for themselves, the support would be overwhelming from most media. They would be forced to action. Never underestimate the power of media shaming: NFL just recently learned they were not invincible.

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  20. Jim

    I hope the team plays really, really angry on Saturday

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  21. Derek

    I don’t think anybody should have to apologize for abiding by and enforcing the rules. There are any number of “harmless” ways of avoiding the application of the rules. Many rules are pointless and unfair. If you want to blame the folks at Butts-Mehre blame them for not pushing for changes to the amateurism rules before it bit them, again. That failure is worth discussing. There is no question but that Todd should be able to sell his own signature. This would be an opportune time for the AD to make that point, but I’m not going to question their willingness to abide by the rules and choosing not to deny and to obstruct. BTW: smoking weed is no great sin either, but nobody blinks when that leads to a suspension or a dismissal.

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    • When the rule in question isn’t consistently abided by or enforced, hells, yeah, it’s a act of supreme stupidity to comply without question.

      And the last time I checked, smoking marijuana in this state is against the law. Big difference, there.

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      • SAtownDawg

        no proof that money changed hands yet we treat it as a federal crime

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      • Derek

        Not if you think its a stupid law. Which it is. My point is simply that our subjective beliefs about rules don’t matter when the issue is whether you are supposed to abide by them. I personally see no greater sin in violating a signed agreement not to sell your signature and smoking weed. The fact that my opinion may not be reflected in to the Criminal Code of Georgia is irrelevant to whether a kid should lose his scholly for doing what is no more harmful than, and probably less harmful than, smoking a marlboro.

        Many teams avoid the harsh restrictions of criminal law by testing infrequently and having loose regulations regarding what it takes to be sanctioned for smoking weed. Had Gurley failed a drug test for weed should Mark have tossed it into the trash in the name of winning? Or because we are tougher on it than everybody else? I fail to see any distinction.

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        • An NCAA rule isn’t a law. Your analogy is weak, IMO.

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          • Senator. As a lawyer shouldn’t both laws AND rules be based on precedent and have consistent punishments?

            And when has the kangaroo court known as the NCAA shown the least bit of consistency. I’ve got an analogy for Derek.

            How would you like it if every time you got pulled over for speeding you could get anything from a cheap ticket to a month in jail? Just depends on how the cop or judge is feeling that day. Would you preemptively turn yourself in for a few days in jail just in case?

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            • Derek

              The criminal courts operate exactly that way. That’s why its a good idea to get a good lawyer.
              Your analogy is misplaced because in your scenario, I’m Gurley and no I wouldn’t and he didn’t turn himself in. However, he isn’t being condemned here, the folks at Butts-Mehre are. I don’t know where they fit in your scenario, but suppose that that they are witnesses to the speeding and are under oath. Do you suggest that they lie?

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          • Derek

            So it would be more appropriate to suspend someone for speeding than violating a NCAA rule by signing with an agent, because speeding is against the law? How about drunk in public? Trespassing? Disorderly conduct? Consensual sodomy? There are a ton of minor and/or stupid criminal laws. There are very serious NCAA infractions that are completely lawful. The AD shouldn’t be deciding which NCAA rules he thinks are important and are to be followed. On the other hand he should, and does, decide what criminal law violations are worthy of sanction.

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        • How would you like it if every time you broke a rule or law you had to put your fate in the hands of an organization that has shown ZERO consistency in enforcement or punishment and is currently being sued for what you’re being punished for?

          Good lord. I swear fans like you would prefer us to change the name of the team to the DisciplineDawgs. Then we could win the natty every year for suspending or dismissing players for things that no other school would.

          Then you could have something to brag to your auburn buddies about.

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        • No One Knows You're a Dawg

          “No greater sin”? You should get out more.

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  22. Joe

    Between the advent of “autonomy” and the ruling in the O’Bannon case, I do not even think that Gurley can get into any trouble any more. I have no idea why our athletic department is so stupid. Fortunately for me, I quit donating 3 years ago. I am proud to say that my lack of confidence in McGarity has proven 100% accurate.

    All of this moral high ground is even funnier when you know why the just retired president’s face was always so red, and when you know that the guy who is in charge of pulling the strings for the athletic department is a glorified bootlegger who was in an adulterous affair with a coach on staff at the school. It’s amazing how quickly we covered up the private jet shopping excursion for the gymnasts, but we hung the basketball program, AJ Green and Todd Gurley out to dry. I am done with it. I guess I will start watching fucking soccer.

    I will say that if anyone finds out who the piece of shit that gave Gurley the $400 is, I would suggest you publish his contact info so that someone can look him up.

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    • “Fortunately for me, I quit donating 3 years ago. I am proud to say that my lack of confidence in McGarity has proven 100% accurate.”

      Smart man.

      That is the only appropriate move now.

      Our athletic department needs to realize that their freakish obsession with money above all else can eventually bite them in the ass.

      I wish our players and fans would boycott all games until TG plays.

      We are so stupid to suspend players until forced to do so.

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  23. Russ

    If he signed 1000 autographs “for free” then he should sit 1/2 the next game. If his father took $180k that Todd “knew nothing about” then he misses a Thursday.

    At least, that’s the NCAA precedent.

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  24. Crispy Dawg

    10/9/2014….Never Forget

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  25. For $400, a season was lost — by one of the richest athletic programs in the country.

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    • Merk

      The season was already lost because we have lost 8 DBs in the last year.

      On the Upside, Gurely will prob get 2 games for $400, he will be back in time for Fla and well rested. Maybe he will have a bit of hate to burn off.

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  26. dudemankind

    Maybe Chubb can get us through this week. Maybe Todd comes back next. Maybe Mason finds his downfield passing game with Mitchell and Wesely. Maybe, just maybe.

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  27. Warthen

    This might have already been pointed out by someone, but can you imagine what Pruitt is thinking right now watching this play out at UGA after working at Alabama and FSU?

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  28. Biggus Rickus

    Seriously? The fans are hurt by this? Boo fucking hoo.

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  29. Do I detect a whiff of criticism of St. Mark by the Senator? I guess hell froze over today, too?!

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  30. Is nobody mad at the individual who gave Gurley money for autographs? Who is this despicable individual who tries to make money off of Gurley?

    For the conspiracy junkies on here, I think the NCAA gave Gurley money for his autographs.

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    • stuckinred

      Are you not reading the posts?

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      • Thanks, I have read them all. A lot of angst toward the rules (which we can do nothing about); a lot of frustration toward Gurley (and rightly so, even though we want to see him play again in the red and black); but not nearly as much toward the “fan” who paid for the autographs which is where I believe much of the fault lies.

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        • stuckinred

          Not as many but they are here

          “Chopdawg
          October 9, 2014 at 7:44 PM
          My anger is directed toward this scumbag: “…a person confirmed to Georgia’s compliance office this week that he paid Gurley $400 to sign 80 items on campus in Athens…”

          “I will say that if anyone finds out who the piece of shit that gave Gurley the $400 is, I would suggest you publish his contact info so that someone can look him up.”

          And more on the original post.

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    • SAtownDawg

      not nearly as mad as I am at our AD who proactively investigated it on his own volition…total scumbag

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  31. I have heard other (completely unsubstantiated) rumors that he was taking flights out to LA on the reg. if he only collected $400 on autograph sales, he’ll probably only get 2 games. If he was accepting benefits from an agent, he’s (we and team are) fucked.

    If we can manufacture a win against Mizz this weekend, all hope is not lost. But if he is fine the rest of the season…

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  32. Biggus Rickus

    Maybe something will come out that mitigates Gurley’s stupidity in this matter, like he needed to get money to help with family medical expenses or something, but based on what’s known so far, he knowingly violated a rule to make some quick cash and thought he could get away with it. He wasn’t taking a stand against an unfair system. However stupid the rule is, and it is absolutely stupid that players can’t profit off of their names and likenesses, it is still a rule of which I’m sure Gurley was made aware.

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    • Very true but I think we as the Bulldog Nation need to make it clear that the rule is stupid, ridiculous, and absolutely hypocritical to the powers that be in B-M.

      If he did this to make a quick buck, he is going to be making big bucks in a few months. The problem if this is the case is the effect of what he did on his teammates.

      We’re never going to know why this happened.

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      • For everyone saying that Gurley was going to be making big money soon anyhow so why risk getting caught over $400 I have one name for you: Tyrone Prothro.

        God forbid anything happen to Todd as I would never wish that on my worst enemy, it can and does happen. His NFL future is not guaranteed.

        Just a thought.

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        • Capn, I agree with your sentiment. My point is more related to the impact of all of this on his teammates. I understand nothing is guaranteed, but was the impact on his team worth $400? I’m trying to withhold judgment on this until everything comes out.

          The bottom line is there’s a lot of blame to go around in no particular order:
          1) The player
          2) The administration and its response
          3) The idiotic rules of the NCAA and its member institutions

          What I really want to know is where is Mike $live and the Birmingham suits in all of this? They went running to the aid of the $Cam and JFF. It’s been eerily silent.

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    • Why does the reason matter? Even if he violated the rule, it is a rule that is violated every day, all over the country. See, e.g. Johnny Football. It is bullshit to single out Gurley,

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      • Biggus Rickus

        He’s not being singled out. He was caught, and Georgia doesn’t cover shit up like A&M and others do.

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    • And you never drank underage, did drugs, or anything stupid when you were in college or Gurley’s age? Must be nice to live up on Mount Pious.

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      • Biggus Rickus

        Nearly everybody does stupid things when they’re young. And if you get caught there are consequences. Saying that we all make mistakes does not absolve anyone from the consequences of their actions. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

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  33. Scorpio Jones, III

    While some of us are gnashing our teeth at Greg McGarity and Mark Richt for caving to the NCAA, here’s a little tidbit you might ponder.

    From a New York Times piece by Jolly Cholly McClendon in the spring of 1983.

    “But when the agent made the contact with New Jersey for Walker, he was automatically ineligible. When his coach, Vince Dooley, and the university found out about the dealings, they were going to do what they had to do and declare him ineligible.”

    AJ Green, Todd Gurley? Small taters. This was fucking Herschel.

    So doing the thing we had to do is nothing new in Athens.

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  34. Mr. Tu

    If he is truly done for the season, I want him to show up every game day Saturday in front of the bookstore with a sharpie and sell his signature to every single UGA fan, so the whole stadium has “illicit” Gurley memorabilia, and Gurley has a boat load of cash to show for his efforts and “likeness”

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  35. Studawg

    Please God, let the scumbag’s name who solicited him become public. I am 100% convinced he was set up by a rival fan.

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    • Merk

      Yeap, if I were signing their crap, I would quietly whisper into their ear. I have a photo of you. If this goes south it will be on the internet. You will never have to worry about what I will do, but instead what any of the hundreds of thousands of UGA fans will do to you.

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    • Mayor

      +1,000,000. This smells like a set-up.

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    • After reading some more, this is probably not even a rival thing. Its the video shopping thing. It was all about the video from the beginning. Broker didn’t care about the memorabilia. It was the video that was gonna bring him the big bucks. So he goes into the UGA office, tells them, UGA suspends, that goes public, leak something about there being a video, sit back and let the bidding commence.

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  36. Beattech

    To quote my dad, “we can’t have nice stuff.”

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  37. Hotsauce

    No, you self-righteous prick, the other boys on the team are who lose, not you, the dipshit, ambulance chasing trial lawyer that does nothing but complain and takes some sort of sadistic satisfaction out of using the mistake of a 20 year old to further your meme.

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  38. Mark

    No one’s ever accused the NCAA of being smart. But if they’re smart, they will want this one to go away very fast. This isn’t the kind of PR they need right now.

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  39. Tduga1

    Is it wrong to wish our football team refused to board the plane to go to Columbia? I know it is extreme and will never happen but the current system is asinine and hypocritical and in Keith Marahalls own words something’s got to change. At least it would make it a year to remember.

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  40. stuckinred

    I feel like I did after the Bama game.

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  41. The truly sad thing is that we are watching the death throes of the NCAA and may very well be the last team for this to be an issue for going forward. And we’re stupid enough to set them up.

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  42. The lesson here:

    UGA Athletic Department only cares about money. Exclusively. Above all other things. TG messed up and he tried to get a little of what they consider theirs: all the money based on/related to him or his likeness.

    This might be the final nail in the coffin for my support of UGA. They literally do not give a shit about their alumni or their fans.

    Their reinvestment in the team is abysmal. They are satisfied with above average, non-championship performance. They make decisions based on their own personal pride and ego rather than what is best for the program and the fans.

    I am so angry and disappointed that this really might be it. After nearly 40 years of supporting this team, they may have finally delivered the mortal wound that finished me off for good.

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      • The fact that our saintly AD and coach think that they can drop news like this about one of the most famous players in the country and the best UGA player in years with a refusal to comment until next week and a milquetoast statement shows both what pussies they are and how out of touch they are.

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        • So true.

          Seriously. I think this is the dagger.

          I can’t support this administration at all. They don’t give a shit about anything other than their own egos and greed.

          They are so craven and believe they have ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY for their actions.

          Frankly, their belief in no accountability is the root of everything that has ailed us for the last 10 years. I shouldn’t be surprised.

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    • Am amazed at the number of people who just say, “we’ve got an iffy situation here, full steam ahead!”
      Prudence demands that you try to find out as much as you can before you f things up further…
      I am not a “rules are rules” person by any means, but regardless of the merits of the rule, it is foolish not to take a breather, try to get the facts and determine whether a rule was broken (and how you might be able to massage the situation) before potentially digging a deeper hole which you can’t recover from.

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      • So what’s the worst thing that happens if we let the process run it’s course? We might, and it’s a very big might, have to forfeit a game or two. We’re basically forfeiting the whole season with this crap. I guess McG is worried we might have to give some money back or something. We know all he gives a crap about is money. And he’s too full of himself or out of touch that he doesn’t even think about fan or player pushback.

        And for eff’s sake. Those of you that think that this makes us look tough on discipline and that we have more of a social conscience than other schools, I can guarantee you that this was a money and PR move. McGarity doesn’t give a crap about anything but keeping the money rolling in.

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        • If he played and was ultimately found to be ineligible, there is no if, and, or but about it, we would have to forfeit those games, which I think would look very bad. It’s hard to properly assess your options until you know the lay of the land…
          And while I don’t dispute that money is close to the hearts of those in Butts-Mehre, I haven’t seen anyone articulate what financial motive their is in the decision to suspend Gurley? To me, if anything, the financial motive would be to play Gurley and continue to generate hype and notoriety for your program – I mean, I can’t see the NCAA levying a significant fine if Gurley played and was later ruled ineligible…

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    • Tronan

      Yes. This.

      The athletic association wants no player – no matter how important to the program’s success – to get in between them and the money they’re making off him. This is an exceptionally greedy organization’s power play. After O’Bannon, the NCAA has no credibility and not much more authority. If Georgia didn’t want this to be an issue, it wouldn’t be.

      And, if you needed any further proof, this is just another example of how antipathetic to the fans and players the UGA AA is. The only concern it has for players is that it can monopolize the profits off their likenesses and the only concern it has for us fans is that we continue to be a revenue stream.

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    • Cojones

      Sniff. We’ll miss you both. Oh, well.

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  43. AusDawg85

    During the Dawg Walk fans should shove $10 into every players pocket then see how the world reacts. Suspend everyone?

    I’ll personally put up the money. (Well…for the starters anyways.)

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  44. It was all about the video. It all makes sense now. Broker didn’t care about the memorabilia. As long as you make a video of him signing it. Think about it; why would this guy go into UGA and tell them he paid Gurley to sign stuff?? He knew they would have to suspend him. That goes public. Then leak some rumors that there might be a video of it out there. Let the bidding commence. Sounds just like the Johnny Manziel thing.

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  45. ASEF

    Bagman. Always have a bagman. As long as the bagman handles the money, they cannot touch you. Can knew it. Johnny FF knew it. Its a dumb rule, and the NCAAs hypocrisy stinks like the bloated corpse it has become – but all it takes is a loyal bagman, at least until the lawyers have collected their pound of flesh to.eliminate the need for bagmen.

    Unbelievable.

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  46. CannonDawg

    You know what? Screw it. Just screw it.

    I’m having the cigar I was saving for Saturday. And playing Carole King’s “It’s Too Late.”

    ‘Cause it is.

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  47. Ohhh. And for all the high horse riders out there. If you think UGAs stuff don’t stink then you’ve been burying your head in the sand for a long time.

    For all the crap we give auburn(well deserved), we employed Rodney Garner for over a decade as our recruiting coordinator. His MO has been whispered about in the SEC since he was at UT. And now he’s at auburn, the school we like to feel superior to.

    But I’m sure he only turned into a scumbag when he went to auburn. And we are the champions of discipline. Hopefully that keeps you warm when this team continues to get left behind when it comes to winning championships.

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  48. raindawg722

    Upset doesn’t begin to describe how I feel about today’s events and it’s spread around in many directions . . . BUT, I will NEVER stop rooting for the DAWGS because I root for the “G” on the side of the helmet, not the name on the back of the jersey, not the coach, not the AD, not Butts-Mehre . . . I root for the “G” because I am part of it and no one can ever take that away from me.

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  49. Gene Simmons

    I really love the idea of the STUDENT-athletes protesting and refusing to play this weekend. THAT would be a message heard loud and clear.
    Also, when the name of this scumwad becomes public, let’s make it personal. HE did.

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  50. Bulldog Joe

    If our AD had any stones he would play Todd and tell the opposing fan with no evidence to go fuck himself.

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    • MinnesotaDawg

      They might not use those terms exactly….but you can damn well bet that’s what happens/would happen at Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M, Tennessee, Ole Miss…..oh hell, every other GD SEC school. In Athens, we can look forward to another NCAA Self-Incrimination certificate and the SEC’s Moral High Ground residency sticker.

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      • Bulldog Joe

        “Moral high ground” is a smokescreen for cutting expenses and increasing the “investment” in the UGA Foundation.

        It has nothing to do with discipline.

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        • +1000 to both of you. A&M stood behind Manziel who doesn’t seem to be half the person that Gurley is. We suspend the heart of our team before the NCAA even comments and prop up a rule that will be gone in months or a year at most.

          McGarity and Richt and whomever else just threw their best player under the bus. Chickenshit.

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  51. Dear Coach Richt,

    You strive to run a a program with integrity within a system that is corrupt. We all see that. You are also a part of an institution that values self disclosure over self defense. I’m not thrilled about that, but it is the way it is.

    You believe you can win this way. But time and time again we are left holding the heavy bag of integrity while we watch other teams pass us by. These teams have the fortitude to suffer the inevitable bruises that occur when they refuse to immediately fall on the sword.

    Are you a good enough coach to win a National Championship this way? So far you are not. But honestly I don’t think there is a coach in the country that is that good. Hell, maybe Saban is. But that’s Bama and I don’t care.

    I was hoping you could prove them all wrong, but as we watch the Auburns, USC’s, and FSU’s of the college world pass us buy on their way to glory, I can’t help but think that this whole incident stinks so bad that I am losing my appetite for college football all together. You and Todd really have done nothing more than to prove that it may not be possible to do it ‘the right way’ until things get totally blown up and we are all playing by the same rules. We all know the money won’t let that happen now.

    Good luck sir. I wish you the best. I guess we should feel proud of our integrity and institutional openness, but in reality we are all feeling bitter. This event only magnifies the institutional bullshit that is the NCAA. Sorry if I can’t get on board feeling good about us right now.

    I can’t quit this Georgia thing. It is an addiction, but I can sure start to break away and focus on better things than writing ramblings posts on blogs. I hope you win soon and prove us wrong. Please pardon me for not holding my breath.

    Twisty

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    • Well said. Im really close to the point of just saying screw college football. Its getting stupid. I might as well be a WWE fanatic.

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    • Cojones

      I’m glad my University’s administrators are maintaining the honor of my University. Hope they continue to do so. Some would sell it for a “W” on the football team’s record and agree with those institutions who have lost their honor.

      For those who don’t know any better, it’s called Leadership.

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      • Good point, and I was afraid my rant may come across as “we need to be more like Auburn” and “if you can’t beat them join them.” I’m just mad at how messed up college football is right now. I think it is fair to expect more from Georgia, even if most people really don’t care and want to throw UGA with with all the others.

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  52. H. Boots

    Right on, Senator. You said it all. So freakin’ tired of the Georgia AD and it’s retarded moral high horse. None of us give a damn about this mythical “Georgia way.” Can you put it in a trophy case? Texas A&M played hard ball and won. We roll over offer our hindquarters to the NCAA. Absolute bullshit. Tired of us cutting our own legs off.

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  53. Cosmic Dawg

    The idea of a boycott of the Missouri game by Georgia players has my full support. I have a lot of frustration with TG doing something so stupid, but I was young and stupid, too. My heart goes out to these kids from less than wealthy families (others have posted his family is not wealthy – I have no idea) who are expected to walk in collegiate social circles but yet are prohibited from even getting a job at the local movie theater a couple nights a week to make some pocket money, or making a buck or two off your own NAME when you earned the value of that NAME.

    There is a lot of shame when you’re a poor kid trying to keep up a little socially with kids with more money than you, and no amount of gridiron prestige can quite compensate for the moment when your roots are showing and you can’t buy a girl a hamburger. It’s one thing to say the kids can’t make money off athletics but another thing entirely to say they can’t make money, period. In that way, the plantation analogy has some merit.

    So okay, the players can’t make any money off football? Totally fine – let the players sit one out and see how everybody likes the arrangement then. The NCAA and government and universities have a monopoly on football, so it’s not like the players are trading their labor in a free market. So, let them exercise their (immediate, anyway) monopoly on labor. Sauce for the goose and all.

    And anyway, as Seth appropriately pointed out in his podcast a few days ago and several commenters here have noted about our fans in the stands, our fans are annoying the shit out of me lately anyway with their inability to be happy with anything our athletes and coaches do. Fire Bobo is just getting a little too real lately. Our fanbase probably needs to sit one out and think about what bloated, entitled Nancy-boys we’ve become, crying about a 4-1 season because one stinking game didn’t go our way. If I was Mason or Swann, I might have considered quitting just to give the bird to our fanbase.

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    • Gurley’s grew up in a trailer park. His family could not afford cable or satellite. He told a reporter that the only college football game he ever saw on television was the Texas/ Southern Cal BCS game before he started getting recruited.

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  54. This game is losing me.

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  55. Ole Dawg

    Funny thing is if Chubb and Douglas go out and bust a combined 220 against Mizzou everybody will be saying “Todd who?” by this time next week. Probably won’t happen but…

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  56. Will UGA be printing up a bunch of T-shirts and banners that say “GEORGIA FAMILY. ALL OUT.” ?

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  57. I’m sure those are DJ Shockley jerseys, not Gurley.

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