With All Deliberate Speed

Why am I not surprised?

It’s the Georgia Way.

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  1. simpl_matter

    Blameis Jameis

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  2. WH

    Welp, guess that answers that. Going to start getting myself psyched up to see Chubb tote the rock again on Saturday.

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  3. Ellis

    Didn’t they get that request a week ago?

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    • Bulldog Joe

      No evidence but a hunch no announcement will be made until Todd completes a two-game suspension (at least 10% of total) as outlined in the NCAA guidelines for an athlete receiving a $400 payment.

      AJ Green got four games (at least 30% of total) for a $1,000 used jersey as outlined in the NCAA guidelines.

      But this is the NCAA’s kangaroo court, so precedence means very little.

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  4. Bulldog Joe

    Rumor has it Todd Gurley has been cleared to participate in Georgia’s next swim meet. 😉

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  5. IndyDawg

    Of course they are. Bless their hearts (NCAA and B-M fearless leaders).

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  6. Regarding Todd Gurley’s eligibility, the NCAA is continuing to work with Georgia and is awaiting the school’s request for reinstatement.

    That CAN’T BE. The NCAA is waiting on Georgia to request reinstatement? GOOD GRIEF.

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    • Chi-town Dawg

      +1 WTF?

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    • “Hold the line! Stay with me! If you find yourself alone, riding in the green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled.” Please don’t worry bout McGarity he’s just doing what he is told… right? This course is set by Morehead and Shipley. However it is McGarity’s job to take the brunt of this while they sort it out. Don’t become part of the mob…

      you use to post more…hunker down.

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      • After seeing Derek and several others explanations, I think I understand it better now. I guess it’s all some out, and we can probably count Gurley out of this game.

        I do think telling the reporters you’ll have a statement on Gurley in a hour or so, then having nothing really to say is kinda weird.
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    • ViningsDawg

      You go up, present your case, feel them out and if the traction is positively received then you take the next step and file. If you jump too early it’s maybe seen as cocky or presumptuous and you could add time to the whole process with too early a trigger pull if your shits not together. I feel the ncaa said ok, acceptable, we agree with you findings now send us the request to take the official step.

      It’s a crapshoot guess but just as us armchair QB’s hammer CMR occasionally on a post game Sunday we always have to remember… He gets paid millions to coach… We do not. They know more than we do most times. Especially dealing with these nuts sacks at the ncaa. I really think they need positive media right now and this is a shot to put a steak on their black eye with the public. I feel good news is coming.

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  7. TennesseeDawg

    NCAA never suspended him in the first place. It was all McGarity and Richt.

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  8. For fuck’s sake….even if you think the the violation will cost him more than one game, the NCAA can’t do anything if you don’t ask for the damned reinstatement. McGarity is so brutally tone deaf when it comes to the pulse of the fanbase and proper PR.

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  9. Derek

    Reading twixt the lines it would appear that Georgia has agreed to ask for reinstatement next week and the NCAA has agreed to agree with a two game suspension. So its pretty much what we thought.

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  10. Jack Klompus

    I’ll put the pitch fork aside…is there any sort of protocol or something like that we have to follow in order to request reinstatement? Perhaps we aren’t ready to request reinstatement. Maybe they said, okay, this looks good go ahead and request reinstatement. It would be nice if they provided some clarity here.

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  11. BCDawg97

    I hope the irony is that he comes back for the UF game with a serious chip on his shoulder and sticks it to Mr. Allen even more…

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    • Bulldog Joe

      That would be punishment enough for Bryan Allen. He can kick himself for not waiting one more week for frame Todd, while he is looking for a place to live out-of-state.

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  12. Derek

    What good would it be to publicly ask for reinstatement only to be told “no” and then let the NCAA set the terms of the suspension? We learned that there was an eligibility issue and acted accordingly. The proper avenue now is to ask for reinstatement when we expect the answer to be “yes.” The discussion in Indy today was to agree on when they would say “yes” to reinstatement. It’ll be next week, otherwise there wouldn’t be these non-substantive statements coming out right now. This is all worked out. If we’ve agreed to delay a request for reinstatement passed the Florida game, then you have a reason to bitch. My supposition is that if it were a four game deal, they’d just announce that now and make the NCAA try to justify it. I don’t think the NCAA wants to have to support a suspension under these circumstances. The NCAA will endorse our actions though. This is all about PR and politics and bureaucracy and BS.

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    • Hackerdog

      I don’t know what it gains McGarity to be seen in lockstep with the NCAA. Boosters would much prefer to see us asking for a short suspension than to see us preemptively issue a long suspension.

      Auburn gave the NCAA the finger and it worked. FSU has refused to preemptively suspend Winston for signing autographs and I would be surprised if the NCAA vacates any wins.

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      • First, no one has come forward and said the Winston was paid. Second, fsu is putting themselves way out on a limb if the ncaa later says the Winston was ineligible. Keep in mind that no suspension was handed down simply because hundreds of Gurley signed items were discovered on the web. Had we responded to that Gurley would have missed the tennessee game.

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        • Hackerdog

          My point remains. The most effective strategy for dealing with the NCAA over the last several years is to refuse to cooperate. UGA hasn’t learned that lesson. FSU has.

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  13. ACM

    I understand all the sturm und drang, but this seems just like procedural jargon. Soording to the NCAA website, “If the institution decides to seek reinstatement, all interpretive issues and disputes of fact must be resolved prior to submitting a reinstatement request through Requests/Self-Reports Online (RSRO). All information pursuant to the reinstatement request must be uploaded to RSRO.” So, this isn’t just a case of UGA forgetting to ask to Gurley can play this weeked, there are procedures that have to be followed, and submitting the request for reinstatement is the next step.

    Do I think this maybe could have been done more quickly? Maybe. But I don’t think this is McGarity just stupidly messing everything up – as some on certain message boards would have you believe.

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  14. ACM

    “According to the NCAA website…” sorry – don’t know how that one happened.

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  15. “Statement from the University of Georgia
    Oct. 16, 2014

    Today, President Jere W. Morehead, J. Reid Parker Director of Athletics GregMcGarity, and other University of Georgia representatives met inIndianapolis with the NCAA Committee on Infractions to discuss the ongoingcase of the UGA head swimming and diving coach. While in Indianapolis,Georgia representatives also met with the NCAA eligibility staff regardingthe ongoing matter involving Todd Gurley. There is no new news at this time and no further comment is necessary.”

    I really like the very last bit. Pompous mofos…

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    • Granthams replacement

      +1 on the MFs.

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    • Dog in Fla

      Why didn’t they just say, “Let them eat cake”

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      • Lol! Because they don’t GAS as long as they’ve got our money. I mean…. their official statement is that they don’t have a statement and they have no reason to give us a statement. Fat Adams still runs things and now he has a lackey in McGarity.

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      • These guys only care about the dollar and image. As if living up to NCAA standards is something to aspire to. Sadly, there seems to be too many Dawg fans who just go along with it. “It’s the rules so it must be right.”

        Damn! I thought I’d gotten over this after the Mizzou win but I just get sucked back in. The fact that we just got the finger doesn’t help.

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        • Mayor

          You guys got this all wrong. How well would the negotiations re: the Cuban Missile Crisis gone if they all were done in public and on TV? This is masterful negotiating. The press announcement? Simple. The NCAA can’t reveal there was a deal. I have been waiting to see if Morehead was going to be Adams redux and now I know–he’s not!! I see Morehead’s hand in all of this. When it is announced next week by the NCAA that, in their benevolence, Gurley only has to serve 2 games for his actions and he can come back without Georgia forfeiting any games played, every one of you guys will owe Morehead and McGarity an apology. This is genius at work. Change Morehead’s name to President Houdini and build a statue of him!!!

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          • Lol! I really hope you’re right but he still shouldn’t miss ANY time and I still think we’re gutless for not taking a stand. Not that I’m surprised. They don’t want to give up any of their cut just like the NCAA and everyone else.

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          • Holden Caufield

            What happened to “of Dawgtown?”

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          • Hackerdog

            Isn’t a 2-game suspension the official penalty for what he’s being accused of? How is accepting the official penalty a work of genius? And if it is, does that make the Auburn and TAMU ADs super-geniuses?

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            • Well the official penalty for receiving $400 is 1 game. $400.01 is 2 games.

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            • Mayor

              He’s an ineligible player for all the games he played in for the 2014 season before the autograph situation came out. If he gets to come back this year after sitting only 2 games and Georgia doesn’t have to forfeit 4 wins–that’s genius negotiation. See GT having to forfeit the ACCCG and the bowl that season for an example of what usually happens.

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              • Hackerdog

                Tech knew about the player receiving ineligible benefits and played him anyway. That’s why their wins were vacated.

                There are no reports of UGA being aware of Gurley’s autograph questions while he was playing. Thus, wins being vacated isn’t really something to worry about.

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  16. uglydawg

    If a two game suspension is standard for this discretion…and TG and UGA cooperated to the point of admitting the offense and implementing self-punishment…what’s to happen then to FSU and JW?? They have stonewalled and denied the offense and there has been no punishment to JW for this specific offense. Do they get off Scott free? Doi they get probation or have to forfeit some games? I admire UGA’s being honest and honerable, but I don’t like shitty institutions like FSU making UGA look like gullible schmucks. This needs to be fair, doesn’t it?

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    • Dog in Fla

      Let me take a stab at some Georgia Way answers:

      “what’s to happen then to FSU and JW?” Nothing.

      “Do they get off Scott free?” Yes.

      “Do they get probation or have to forfeit some games?” Of course not.

      “This needs to be fair, doesn’t it?” LOL.

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      • MinnesotaDawg

        Thank you, DiF. Look at every other smoking gun expose across the NCAA landscape over the last few years….Auburn (numerous times), Oklahoma State, UNC, Texas A&M, FSU, and others I’m sure I’m missing. The NCAA doesn’t have the backing or stomach to enforce its rules right now, much less a rule that everyone is condemning as unfair and outdated.

        However, Georgia seems to be playing this game (which is what it is) using the 5-year old AJ Green playbook–where we cooperate, investigate, turn ourselves in and HOPE for leniency. IMO, this is the only approach that actually results in the NCAA enforcing anything–and putting your hopes in the hands of NCAA bureaucrats is, at best, a dubious strategy.

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        • I’ve always chalked it up to the Jan Kemp debacle. We were caught once with our hands in the cookie jar, and have had an overriding sense of guilt ever since. Perhaps following the ‘Kemp Playbook’ is more apropos.

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  17. Scott W.

    Please allow me to ask a stupid question. If the decision is a two game ban and Todd has sat out two games including this weekend does that mean he is eligible to play the next game?

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  18. I had a couple of people jump down my throat last weekend when I said McGarity mishandled this whole thing after the press release. If Auburn could suspend $Cam and get him reinstated later that day, why couldn’t we have have gotten this done? If we haven’t even gotten the paperwork in, it looks even worse. If Todd isn’t back for the WLOCP, we might as well be telling him to get ready for the draft.

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    • Bulldawg165

      I was one of the few who agreed with you, and this post perfectly encapsulates my current feelings on the matter as well.

      I get that all situations are different, but Cam was reinstated THE SAME DAY. After this weekend, we will have already waited TEN TIMES longer than AU.

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      • Bulldog Joe

        The Auburn deal was cut by the NCAA’s Director Of Enforcement at the time, Dave Didion, who since returned to Auburn as Associate Athletic Director.

        The prosecutor, defendant, and judge in Cam Newton case were all Auburn guys.

        We do not have that luxury here.

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        • Yeah, I guess you could describe UGA as decent Joe Citizen who follows the rules, pays his taxes and has no “in” with anybody in the power structure. Kind of like you and me. And you see where that gets you and me.

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          • Bulldog Joe

            Coach Bryant made it a point to have representatives on both the NCAA and SEC compliance and enforcement committees who can “take care of that stuff” for the program.

            This strategy exists for both Alabama programs to this day. Auburn’s Didion hand-picked his NCAA enforcement replacement and Nick Saban has his former boss and good friend Mark Emmert running the the entire NCAA show.

            Also, this is another reason the SEC office will never move from Birmingham.

            Winning off the field is as important as winning on the field.

            This is The Alabama Way.

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        • SouthGaDawg

          Good bit of research Joe!
          In my Dad’s words “Now that’s a handy piece of information!” Unbelievable. Only Auburn would publish a story is this self serving.

          http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/062713aae.html?wappref=std

          Auburn’s compliance officer moves up to NCAA enforcement director for 14 years including the Cam Newton investigation, same day suspension and reinstatement, then a year later moves back to Auburn and works for the man who took his place; because, “I’ve never lost my interest in Auburn University,” Didion said.” and “Auburn is a good place. People here work hard and try hard, and Auburn stands for everything I appreciate.”

          No doubt.

          Then he lectures on how compliance departments should operate with this gem: “If you are sitting before the Committee on Infractions and you have a compliance operation that is run smoothly, your day before the committee goes a lot better than it would if you had to say `I don’t know why we didn’t know about that. I don’t know why we weren’t on top of that. Oh, no, we didn’t know that.’ That’s not a real fun day.”

          And even better here.

          “What I’ve always told coaches – and it remains true – is if you do something that is wrong and you come and talk with us about it, we can fix it, we can help you, no problem,” Didion said. “We might have to report a secondary violation, but that’s OK. No problem. But if you try to hide something or don’t tell us the truth about something it’s really, really bad. We’re not going to tolerate it.”

          Wouldn’t these statements be an apt description of Auburn’s behavior during the Cam Newton investigation??? and how much of a role did Dave Didion play in the NCAA’s decision regarding Newton? and who pays the mortgage on his new house in Auburn?

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  19. Slaw Dawg

    1000% on the unsurprised. Everyone needs to be focused on JBA. I’m fine with Nick and Brendan totin’ that rock, and more than ready to see our guys buckle up.

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  20. Everyone needs to let it simmer a bit. McGarity surely wants Gurley back on the field as much as we do, so I kind of doubt he is dicking about with this for the sole purpose of pissing off the fan base. The truth of it is that we don’t know what’s happening.

    And yes, Gurley sitting while a degenerate like Winston still plays is complete garbage.

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    • Bulldawg165

      “McGarity surely wants Gurley back on the field as much as we do”

      Respectfully disagree. He cares first and foremost about how much money the school brings in. Anything after that is an after-thought.

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      • sUGArdaddy

        Um…Todd gurley helps us make a lot more money.

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        • Scorpio Jones, III

          Somebody please explain to me what Greg McGarrity, or anyone else at the university who is involved in this has to gain by dragging their feet.

          While I certainly understand the angst, that we would purposely prolong a situation when we don’t have to makes no sense at all…none.

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        • edawg

          He is also a risk and therefore a threat to the status quo cash cow.

          McGarity’s focus is on maximizing profit margin while also minimizing risk. And, I guess somewhat in his defense, that’s the way his bosses want it.

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    • Hackerdog

      I agree that McGarity wants Gurley on the field. The issue is what he’s willing to do to make that happen. Auburn and FSU are willing to spit in the NCAA’s eye and call their bluff. UGA isn’t.

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      • Brcdavis

        Do you want to be like Auburn and FSU?

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        • Bulldawg165

          In this regard, yes. They stood up for their players against a borderline criminal rule.

          We can follow their lead on this without also condoning ACTUAL crimes. It’s not either/or.

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          • Hackerdog

            Exactly. I don’t want to win at all costs. But I also don’t want to be compliant in denying our athletes a basic human right in order to appease the NCAA. If Gurley had committed actual crimes, then I would support a suspension. Since he’s only violated an illegal rule that everyone acknowledges is on the way out, why can’t we stand up for our athlete?

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  21. charlottedawg

    Man UGA really learned their lesson from the aj thing. This makes as much sense as under signing a recruiting class. Oh wait…..

    Also Jameis has missed zero games

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  22. sectionzalum

    rather artful to go all Brown-v-Board-II on that. but i guess that means our problems are of a less-painful quality.

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  23. Bulldawg165

    But Mr. McGarity gave a nice little press release last week. Everyone jumped on me and a few others who were skeptical as to how genuine it was. Turns out he was full of it and was only giving lip service, just as I suspected

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    • I don’t believe GM isn’t genuine about his desire to see Todd back on the field, and I know he does listen to the Bulldog Nation. I just think he has mishandled this whole episode. That press release with more support for Todd should have been the first thing that came out with the announcement of the suspension. Instead, we got “we’ll have more next week” and CMR saying that he was disappointed. We still haven’t heard from the university in a press conference, and I don’t understand why beyond privacy concerns.

      The fact that the NCAA is saying they haven’t received a request for reinstatement tells me that they want to get this whole sordid affair behind everyone. TG3II has been a sympathetic figure throughout all of this, and the suits in Indy want to move on but can’t.

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      • Ginny

        Pretty sure the NCAA told us in so many words that Todd would need to sit two games. Why ask for reinstatement when you know you’re going to be denied? Now THAT would be a PR nightmare.

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        • Ginny, I agree with you on that regarding the PR nightmare. If that’s what we were asking for, we could have delivered the request for reinstatement after tomorrow yesterday while in Indianapolis. I still think this absolutely stinks because the NCAA isn’t going to lift a finger against Famous Jameis and they accepted TAMU’s 1/2 game suspension for JFF.

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  24. stuckinred

    Card Player #2: Well, looks like you just about cleaned everybody out, fella. You haven’t lost a hand since you got to deal. What’s the secret of your success?
    Sundance Kid: Prayer.

    Butch Cassidy: We seem to be a little short on brotherly love around here.
    Gunman: If you’re with him, you’d better get yourself out of here.
    Butch Cassidy: We’re on our way. Come on.
    Sundance Kid: I wasn’t cheating.
    Butch Cassidy: Come on!
    Sundance Kid: [louder] I wasn’t cheating.
    Gunman: You can die. For that matter, you can both die.
    Butch Cassidy: You hear that?
    Sundance Kid: If he invites us to stay, then we’ll go…He’s got to invite us to stick around.
    Butch Cassidy: He’ll draw on ya. He’s ready. You don’t know how fast he is. I’m over the hill, but it can happen to you.
    Sundance Kid: That’s just what I want to hear.
    Butch Cassidy: Every day you get older. Now that’s a law! [The gunman cocks his pistol] What would you think about maybe asking us to stick around?
    Gunman: What?
    Butch Cassidy: You don’t have to mean it or anything. Just ask us to stick around. I promise you…[The gunman refuses to listen and pushes Butch away] I can’t help you, Sundance.
    [When the gunman realizes that he is up against quick-draw “Sundance,” a horrified, dismayed look crosses his face]
    Gunman: I didn’t know you were the Sundance Kid when I said you were cheating. If I draw on you, you’ll kill me.
    Sundance Kid: There’s that possibility.
    Butch Cassidy: No, you’d be killing yourself. So why don’t you just invite us to stick around? You can do it, and easy. Come on. [coaxing] Come on.
    Gunman: Why don’t you stick around?
    Butch Cassidy: Thanks, but hah, we gotta get goin’. [He scoops up the Kid’s winnings into his hat]
    Gunman: [as Sundance strides out] Hey Kid! Hey Kid! How good are ya? ‘[[Sundance wheels around and fires, detaching the gunman’s gunbelt from his waist and sending his gun skittering across the room]
    Butch Cassidy: [as they leave] Like I’ve been tellin’ ya, over the hill.

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  25. cube

    McGarity respects his NCAA overlords way too much to open his mouth before they tell him that he may speak.

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  26. Skint

    It seems to me that the public’s perception of Georgia is pretty high considering the FSU thing and the total dislike for the NCAA. We are holding the cards, and McGarity needs to grow a set. Tell the NCAA that UGA will no longer be a member and will ask other schools to follow suit and set up their own Association. There has been a precedent set with Cam and Johnny Foosball and McGarity needs to tell them this and not ask.

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  27. Scrambledawg

    I stopped contributing to the General Fund because of Adams and began again as soon as he retired.

    I hope we all do the same thing with our Athletic Dept donations until McGarity is gone. #clown

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  28. I guess the McGarity honeymoon is officially over. A lot of folks seemed happy to get him four years ago.

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  29. I’m so pissed right now. Somebody…tell me something good…

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  30. Macallanlover

    Some places have “Thirsty Thursdays”, at GTP there seems to be a pattern of “stupid Thursdays” developing. As brilliant and admirable as last Saturday’s effort by our young men and the staff was, it was tainted by the stench that emanated from the many posters here who disgraced the program and themselves with all the comments trashing UGA as a place that doesn’t care or work for the players’ benefits at every chance. I realize some of the commenters aren’t even UGA fans but posers who come in pretending to be fans and keep thing stirred up, but I also know there are some who may be fans, of some sort, who simply let their egos drive them so they can say “I told you so” when something they have harped on in the past gets on the radar. So that may be a “fan” by some definition, they just put themselves above the good of the program and don’t mind tearing it down whenever they get the chance but it falls short to me. Regardless of how you classify it, it was putrid here last Thursday. (There is even one here still claiming he was right based on his miscalculation of today’s announcements. Pathetic.) The old Dawg Vent would be proud.

    Now if I am understanding the comments tonight, some think BM Admin, the attorneys (including the Birmingham All American), and coaching staff have missed the opportunity to get TG reinstated because…….why? Do you think they are that stupid after seven days to work through all the options to miss something as simple as asking if he can play? Maybe they just have a bone to pick with Gurley because they don’t really like/love him? Or do they think the team is better off without TG in the lineup? Maybe they missed the whole Johnny Cash autograph fiasco in 2013. The reasons to support such thinking is difficult to even imagine when you try. I mean they were in Indy yesterday discussing it, you think the NCAA was ready to rule but….didn’t?

    None of us know the facts that have been gathered at this point, but it is a pretty safe guess the actions of TG surpassed the $400 in benefits level many jumped on originally. And the original suspension wasn’t based on the word of one scumbag from FU, there should be little doubt that TG admitted more than that to Richt and those involved at BM. I think Todd is probably a stand-up guy as a person, a helluva competitor, and a loyal teammate, but his actions were incredibly selfish as they risked all his teammates’ work for the past year. Yes, it is a silly rule that should, and will be, changed soon but he was well schooled on that rule and, as an adult, he knew what the risks were. I hope the benefits aren’t worse than the arbitrary $700 limit which would mean at least 4 games, and hopefully do not involve significantly more, including agents, which could mean we may not see him again in Red and Black. If we are lucky we will have him for Florida and he can do all he can to make it up to the team and staff.

    The other wildcard in this timing to request reinstatement is his attorney’s investigation which has to be respected. BM is in a bind until they are sure the investigation is complete, it seems the most likely scenario that they either know the punishment will garner at least a 2 game suspension, perhaps more, or they have been advised that there is still uncertainty out there that could come back and bite them if they move too quickly. One thing that is a safe bet is the coaches and BM want this over and TG back on the field more than any of us do.

    Now the legit question would be, why did the NCAA release that tweet? Almost unanimous skewering of the NCAA about Gurley’s situation from all over the country for 7 days and now the Winston situation building steam, why not shift the blame to UGA? Their remark/timing seems self-serving, and unnecessary to me. Let’s put the attack dogs away and find a way to eek a W out of Little Rock, which is much more of a challenge than last week to me. Should we survive this Saturday, and then get Todd back for Florida, this will be a much stronger team that takes the field in JAX on November 1. Adversity can bond a group together to accomplish more than they ever thought possible. But this Saturday will be a huge test without TG on the field, the Pigs held Bama to 66 yards rushing, Time for the entire passing game to show up.

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    • AthensHomerDawg

      Finally another voice in the wilderness shows concern over the Arky D.

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      • Macallanlover

        Lost in the euphoria that was last Saturday afternoon was the difficulty we had blocking the Mizzou front most of the game. We benefited from great field position provided by the defense, and the opportunity to run 5 gazillion plays to tire them out. Now the defense owed the offense that game, and more, but I was concerned how many times Chubb was hit behind the line and fought to get back to the LOS or gain 2-3.

        Arkansas sold out to stop the run against the Tide and Sims couldn’t get it done through the air, you can bet it all that is exactly the plan for this Saturday against us. Fortunately, we have a lot receivers to spread the ball to where Bama wanted to force it to Cooper. Mason will have to find those TEs, backs, and possession guys on the intermediate routes. It has worked for us most of the quarters, he just has to be sharper this week because we may only get 125-150 yards on the ground unless we can loosen them up, Bama never could. Phil Steele predicts us with 205 yards rushing, that would be pretty danged good to me.

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        • Scorpio Jones, III

          Mac…where the hell you been? I get that this thing can get a little tough to read sometimes, but some of your fans were concerned you had gone to Columbia and run off with a sideline babe or something. 🙂

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          • Macallanlover

            If that had been an option, it might have been the cause…although I doubt I would have survived an entire week and able to return. Just wasn’t in the mood to mix it up after the comments of last week. Tired of the guerilla tactics where some come in and drop haymakers with every turn of the wheel. Things are never perfect, all teams have highs and lows, just don’t like to associate with cheap shot artists. I have never opposed concerns when they are proposed that way in a manner for discussion and not expressed in a destructive way.

            This is a public forum, and when comments reach the harmful level of “I wouldn’t send my child to play football at UGA because (choose one) A. the staff doesn’t evaluate the recruits they get properly B. the UGA athletic department doesn’t support the players and throw them to the curb C. They punish/harm players for violating rules while XYZ lets them play D. Georgia will never win with Richt at the helm (seriously? check the record)

            I don’t associate with people who oppose “law and order”, as it was stated last week, in my personal life and I steer away from it on places I spend time online. When it reaches the level it did last week, and at times in the past after a loss, I usually step away. Most of the remarks made in those times are due to immaturity and lack of perspective so why argue with people who are out of their mind? I am not willing to trade my integrity for Ws. I am opposed to many of the same laws/rules others on here are (MJ legality, drinking age law, some stipend for D1 scholarship athletes if it comes from a profitable program, etc.) but you cannot pick and choose which laws you want to obey. Actions have consequences, and that applies to our everyday life and with CFB. I don’t like the seat belt laws for adults but I paid the fine when ticketed, and I didn’t complain to the officer who enforced it. Suck it up and keep moving forward, help change things your way when you get a chance.

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    • brcdavis

      Excellent!

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    • Mac, I agree with a lot of what you have stated very well here. I understand the “it’s a stupid rule, but it’s still a rule” thought – my beef with that is that others appear to be flouting that rule, and we’re cowering in front of the NCAA. I also understand that many think Todd made a dumb decision that hurt his team. Like we don’t know what McGarity’s motivation was with that press release, we are never going to know why Todd did what he allegedly did. We have no idea if any cash ended up with his family for needs they may have. I stand by my comment above that if he’s not reinstated in time for the WLOCP, he should give up the remainder of his eligibility and get ready for the draft. Why take more carries and hits at that point especially if the NFL scouts are saying none of this hurts your draft status? The Heisman would be gone as well as any other end of season awards. The only reason to come back would be to try to win a championship (doubtful) and be named permanent team captain (doubtful because of this whole affair).

      Once again, we take it on the chin for doing the right thing and following the letter and spirit of the NCAA’s byzantine rules. I will always be proud of the fact that we appear to do the right thing, but I’m beginning to wonder if the nice guy is ever going to finish 1st.

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    • Hackerdog

      It never ceases to amaze me how many fans of sports teams delude themselves into thinking that they’re actually participants. If a few blog commenters express dissatisfaction with the NCAA and UGA’s obeisance to the NCAA, well that will obviously “taint” the team’s performance in an impressive win.

      Well, I have news for you, Mac, nobody gives a crap about your opinion, or mine, or even Bluto’s. I heard a few talking heads talk about UGA’s win over Mizzou and not a single one of them mentioned any blog comments. They all focused on the coaches and the players. Isn’t that amazing?

      Also, I don’t know what kind of inside information you have on Gurley’s actions, but assumptions don’t really carry any weight with the NCAA. The NCAA hired the OJ jury to handle their compliance department. The NCAA whiffed on the investigations of Manziel and Newton. I expect they’ll do it again on Winston’s autographs. But we’re cooperating and have, so far, sat Gurley for 2 games. And this is after losing Green for 4 games a few years ago and having it blow up the season. So, what have we learned? Not much, apparently.

      Now, if it turns out that Gurley accepted $20k and admitted it to UGA, and UGA successfully lobbied to have his suspension lowered to 2 games, then I guess that’s something. But I still think the lesson in dealing with the NCAA is to plead simultaneous ignorance and incompetence. It’s worked in the past.

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      • or even Bluto’s.

        WHAT?!?!?

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      • MinnesotaDawg

        “It never ceases to amaze me how many fans of sports teams delude themselves into thinking that they’re actually participants.”

        Yep, although I expect what underlies most such comments is the need to play the “I’m a good/real/best fan, and you’re a bad/poser/fake fan” game. Good post, Hackerdog.

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      • Macallanlover

        The premise of your comment is so far off the mark as to not deserve a reply so I won’t. My comment back to you is I never said I knew more than you, and said no one here knows. My opinion of why we didn’t move is based on logic, we will see if there isn’t more than $400 involved, and we may find out if UGA officials knew that before this week’s meeting with the NCAA.

        And of course the “taint the program” comment is yours, not mine. I don’t think anyone looks at GTP to see what I think, and I have never claimed inside info. What I did say was there is an annoyingly large segment of our fan base who are simply embarrassing with there positions. Now every program has a small base in the lunatic fringe and they get shut up by more balanced posters/callers but our group maybe 20-30% is out of control, imo. I don’t ever run into more than the occasional nutcase UGA fan but the birth of the internet and other social media avenues have brought out the worst in our fans. GTP is far from the worst I have seen. I don’t know how many players read any message boards at all, I suspect some do, but I am very sure that many recruits, and their parents, do. Many of them have commented on it. So I think you are naïve about the impact it could have, and may have had. There are many close calls in these decisions, and why would anyone want to hurt the future of this program so many here love. Of course if some are not really Dawg fans….they appreciate everyone chiming in. That is my opinion, and it is the reason it pisses me off. I don’t think these “fans” will be swayed by my comments, but perhaps the good fans will realize why they should be called out and not allowed to make outrageously negative comments. It is like seeing a drunk bunch of our fans at a game harass visiting fans, it is incumbent on the good fans to help right the wrong. If you think all the negativity is OK, that is your opinion. But don’t mischaracterize my position because of reading comprehension issues on your part, or just a personal dislike for me….tell the truth in your rebuttals, don’t editorialize and attribute your incorrect interpretation to me. I may not speak well, but I speak pretty clearly.

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    • McGarity is making fools of the dawg fan base.

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      • Macallanlover

        I am no fan of McFrugal, and have been vocal in my comments, since he first came on board but not caring for him or his philosophy doesn’t mean I need to pile onto the percentage of our fan base who seem more than capable of making fools of themselves without any help from him. Plenty of opportunities to criticize him on other issues, this one he is acting intelligently on.

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  31. Hines Word

    Why would they tweet that? It makes no sense. If the procedure is moving along, then it’s misleading because it makes it sound like UGA is holding the process up. If not, then are we to believe that the NCAA is ready with pen in hand to sign off on Gurley’s reinstatement? We all know THAT is doubtful. Typical NCAA has their head so far up their own ass that they put stuff out there that at best adds nothing and at worst creates more confusion and finger-pointing.

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  32. Cojones

    Why would they tweet that? Why not look at it straight forward:
    We go to Indy on one matter and, while there, tell them preliminarily what we got with Gurley. Everyone commissurates with everyone, it’s better for the game of CFB, yada,yada, see you boys when you get back with us. They get back and the cornucopia is open. “Oh,shit, we haven’t even put the finished report together; they are telling us that it will be OK, just submit the request. Crap,we’ll be up all night getting it perfect, but if we transmit early AM, Fri, he probably can get on the plane. They already know what’s in the report from our conversations.”.

    The rubber stamp awaits.

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    • William

      Man I wish that was the case. I guess it still could be and the two games is his tiem served. Still. that’s almost too logical and straight forward to be reality.

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  33. 69Dawg

    I hope that the NCAA tweet signals the 2 game suspension has been settled. Since next week is an off week there is then no rush to file. If the suspension is for four games then in all good conscience I can not hope for Gurley’s return at all. It simply is not in his own best interest, With a 4 game suspension our fate will have been decided and for good or bad Todd should not risk it. Let the NCAA and UGA live with the situation. We can be content that once again we can lord it over the winning programs. We will have our usual moral victory and our usual excuse for having another mediocre season. There really is something wrong with a program that has either 1. players so stupid and greedy to risk suspension or expulsion on a seemingly continuous basis or 2. We have an athletic program that can’t figure out you can’t win with those types of players unless you emulate your rivals cover-up tactics. We really specialize in the self inflicted wound both on and off the field.

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  34. Otto

    AJ Green all over again. McGarity and some people that work with compliance need to be fired. If you have someone like a lawyer or auditor who works with a regulatory body and they can’t get swift resolutions you replace them with someone who can.

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    • AthensHomerDawg

      Ottoman that’s really not true. Glazier is representing Georgia. If you recall he worked on getting Jarvis Jones into Georgia. King is representing Gurley. UGA is footing the legal fees. King worked on Johnny Football’s case. AJ had a deposit of monies into bank accout that were received for a jersey. I understand the angst but seriously that rant was careless on your part. No offense.
      Just sayin’

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      • Cojones

        That warms the cockels of my cojones. And that’s a good thing.

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      • GATA

        I understand the frustration, but it is not correct to color UGA as a pushover and not willing to fight, while praising TA&M, AU, and FSU as programs giving the finger to the NCAA. My opinion from outside of the arena to compare / contrast the cases:
        AJ = $1,000 deposit was found (AN ADMITTANCE) while conducting another review. Rule is restitution and 4 games = that was the exact UGA result.
        Johnny Football = a ton of circumstantial evidence supports he signed many items for money – no video OR ADMITTANCE of money received. “Johnny, did you get paid to sign?”. Answer, “No and you can’t prove that I did.” Asked (same answer) his friend / now advisor the same. NCAA did a little something (half game vs. Rice) to save what little face it had left. A&M and JF knew the trade-off was a huge ‘win’ for them and they complied.
        Cam & Auburn = Similar circumstances to Manziel. No video and NO ADMITTANCE of any money. Classic (brilliant in hindsight, causing subsequent rules change) move was being able to claim that even if Dad did something, it was done without player’s knowledge. AU took this to the NCAA (Cam didn’t, if his Dad did, Cam didn’t know) and was reinstated in a day.
        Jameis = More circumstantial evidence than Johnny, but he and FSU are following their blueprint. No video and NO ADMITTANCE = no penalty. They are really playing public hardball and stand to lose the most when / if evidence turns up that contradicts their stance. It seems all involved are willing to roll those dice. This doesn’t mean their program ‘sticks up for the players’. It simply means that given the fact that the player claims no and there is no hard evidence to contradict that claim, they are moving ahead as if it didn’t happen and will restructure their argument in the future when need be. All parties realize that they simply must get through the season and it then becomes a moot point (Jameis to NFL…nobody cares about vacated games…TV $ and gate / concession $ doesn’t have to be returned).
        Gurley = Circumstantial evidence (same as Cam, Jameis, and JF) is inquired about. Gurley looks at Richt and AD and says, “Yeah, it was stupid, didn’t think I’d get caught, but I took some $”. Now coach, AD, and school are painted into the “must suspend” corner until all facts are known and disclosed to NCAA. Any other response would be far worse for UGA. Between the story breaking and now, all that has gone on is attempting to account for the total dollar amount ADMITTED TO and ABLE TO BE PROVEN. If Gurley made $2,500 across multiple dealers, but only the 1 claiming he parted with $400 has been ADMITTED TO, the 2 game suspension will cover things. If Gurley ADMITTED to receiving more = more games lost and he likely has played his last down as a Dawg (real shame).
        Lesson learned = never allow video of money exchange and never ADMIT to anything. When Gurley was originally asked if there was anything to the allegations; he should have said nothing, involved King (attny), and proceeded as instructed. If he did what Cam and JF did (and as Jameis is also doing), he would still be playing. Instead, he ADMITTED to taking something and as a result, limited the options UGA has.
        Enough of this junk…Arky’s OL is huge, they held AL to a bad offensive showing, they looking for first SEC skin…I’ve even heard great things about their holder and long-snapper…Go Dawgs!

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        • AusDawg85

          I would only modify your version of events by pointing-out that we don’t know if Gurley was even asked a direct question and how he answered. UGA may, in fact, have known not to ask and moved first to get him a lawyer based on the evidence Compliance already had. While this would suggest that we failed to follow the “no admission, no problem” line of thinking, there may be some other issue that UGA feels the NCAA would not overlook in the findings (as provided by UGA Compliance). For all we know, there is another witness, etc. Having an involved party (Allen) make the accusation is far more complicated than any of the other comparative situations where the “guilty” parties all aligned themselves and offered no evidence.

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  35. Does anyone else think Gurley is gonna play tomorrow? NCAAs tweet makes it sound like they are just waiting to say yes. Timing of it suggest he might be eligible this week. My hope is that Evil Richt decided to wait until the last minute to request knowing that Gurleys status would then go public and Ark would know whether they have to prepare for him or not. I am the eternal optimist when it comes to UGA though.

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  36. Macallanlover

    Less than 5% is my guess, I would be very, very surprised at this stage. If this were going to happen, it would have been made official on Wednesday or Thursday, imo.

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  37. PTC DAWG

    So much misinformation…

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