Final thoughts on Gurleygate

Now that we know his fate, I’ve grown tired of the subject.  The Dawg fan in me hopes that Mark Richt is reading the situation correctly and  that Gurley intends to return for the Auburn game (think the crowd will be nuts if that happens?); the part of me that shakes his head over the NCAA’s hypocrisy wouldn’t blame him a bit for calling his college football career over and looking out for number one.  But here are a few last points I want to throw out.

  • To the “Georgia should have done what FSU is doing” crowd:  Yeah, we all know that it’s highly unlikely Winston signed hundreds of autographs that are now up for sale out of the goodness of his heart.  But knowing and proving are two vastly different things.  As long as the FSU athletic administration can wrap itself in the cloak of plausible deniability, it has the luxury of doing so.  Once Bryan Allen showed up on Greg McGarity’s doorstep, Georgia lost that luxury.  I can’t say that Georgia handled the investigation and the subsequent report to the NCAA perfectly – although I’m sure the Open Records requests to find that out are being prepared as you read this – but to insist that McGarity should have sat on his hands and dared the NCAA to do something is ludicrous.
  • To the “Georgia once again is the shining city on the hill” crowd:  You people really need to get over yourselves.  Bryan Allen cuts both ways here.  Once he threw his stones, Georgia had no choice but to suspend.  There was nothing noble or heroic about the decision.  Mark Richt is a stellar person, but this incident isn’t about him doling out justice to a kid who’s never been in trouble with his coaches.  If you don’t believe me, maybe you’ll believe Mark Richt.

  • To the “Gurley will be forever stained by this incident” crowd:  AJ Green is amused.
  • To the NCAA:  Forget O’Bannon.  Forget your defense of an obscene and anachronistic amateurism model that even you and your members don’t defend among yourselves when the doors are closed.  What really sucks here is that people like Mike Slive, Jim Delany and Mark Emmert solemnly vowed several years ago that players like Todd Gurley deserved to be compensated for the total cost of attendance and since then, nothing has been accomplished on that front.  Todd Gurley was found to have received three grand over a couple of years.  The extra money you promised would have been at least that much.  Had you been sincere about it, we wouldn’t be sitting here angry right now because Gurley wouldn’t have needed to resort to autograph sales to put a few bucks in his pocket.  Just on that basis, if you had any sense of shame right now, you’d reconsider the punishment that’s been meted out in your answer to Georgia’s appeal.  But the NCAA and a sense of shame… who am I kidding here?

Time to move on.  I am.  I hear this Nick Chubb is pretty good.  Think he can run on the Florida defense?

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131 responses to “Final thoughts on Gurleygate

  1. bulldogbry

    This. I’m just not sure what BM should have done differently, aside from some communication mishaps.
    I agree, time to move on. It’s probably a good lesson for the players, too. Don’t concern yourselves with what happens to others.

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    • Jeff Sanchez

      The only remaining thing I want to know: When was TG provided with an attorney?

      If it was as soon as Bryan Allen contacted Butts Mehre, then I’m OK with everything else and can just shake my head at our PR incompetence.

      If it was AFTER we talked to Todd and did our own “investigation”, then McGarity is a self-immolating dolt and needs to be fired.

      But, yeah, overall, I’m ready to move on. Let’s win a couple and welcome him back for the stretch run

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      • HahiraDawg

        Completely agree JS,
        If Fisher ever asked JW, “have you taken $ from memorabilia dealers?”, I’ll sell a kid. This is not the coach’ job, it’s the Compliance Dept’s, AFTER the player has a lawyer.
        I’m with your last statement too.
        I think…
        I hope…
        I hate Florida.

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        • 3rdandGrantham

          The conversation regarding payment for signatures between FSU and Winston went something like this:

          FSU: Jameis, did you do this?
          Winston: Do what?
          FSU: Perfect, thanks Jameis for your honestly. Now go play ball and have fun

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      • W Cobb Dawg

        Agree. Gurley should’ve had legal council before he said anything to anybody. One would think making sure Gurley had an attorney from the beginning would be in McGarity’s (and UGA’s) self-interest. If nothing else, this episode exposed McGarity as bordering on incompetent.

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  2. fuelk2

    We be Chubbin’.

    Win the next two games, get the night ESPN slot for Auburn, and that game will have one of the most electric atmospheres we’ve ever seen.

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  3. I’m comfortable directing all my anger at the NCAA, who screwed Georgia for doing the right thing and lets other schools slide. Mark Emmert can go get fucked.

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  4. Mark

    Senator, your biggest fault is you make too much sense.

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  5. RandallPinkFloyd

    Nailed it. Great post, Senator.

    If this team has the focus it had before the bye week, this one should get ugly.

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  6. Granthams replacement

    What if Gurley has a presser with his agent and signs his autograph on a contract while flipping off the NCAA with his other hand?

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  7. 3rdandGrantham

    Great thoughts, but how do you explain the memorabilia dealer in the Manziel case publicly stating that he gave Johnny $7500 for signed items, which included a video of him signing large quantities of items in a hotel room?

    I’m assuming TAMU played the lie/deny stonewall game with Manziel, and essentially told the NCAA to F off.

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    • Gaskilldawg

      I explain it by saying the NCAA ignored it, just as the NCAA ignored the statement Cam Newton made to the Mississippi State coaches that the money was too good at Auburn when the NCAA concluded there was no evidence Cammy Cam knew Dad was shopping him. The NCAA allowed T A & M and Auburn to yell “there is no proof” enough where folks forgot the cruminating evidence.

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    • David K

      I think Manziel had his brother as a go-between if I remember correctly. Johnny Football could just claim ignorance and showed up to sign. He obviously knew nothing about the money. Gurley’s fault was not being smarter about the whole thing. He never should have dealt directly with the guy and taken money from him. Cam Newton should have taught all of these guys this.

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  8. Billy Mumphrey

    “The Dawg fan in me hopes that Mark Richt is reading the situation correctly and that Gurley intends to return for the Auburn game…”

    So you want him to return even though you spent the better part of yesterday afternoon arguing that the best thing for him to do, and what you would do, is to walk away? I thought this was a “players first” blog?

    “Had you been sincere about it, we wouldn’t be sitting here angry right now because Gurley wouldn’t have needed to resort to autograph sales to put a few bucks in his pocket.”

    You don’t actually believe this do you? Money is one of those things you can never have enough of.

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    • Cosmic Dawg

      Can you really not figure out how he could write point #1 above and still be 100% consistent with his previous posts?

      Perhaps you’re just feeling a bit snarky today?

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      We ALL want Gurley to return – the sooner the better. Many of us also believe the whole incident is total b.s., and he never should have been suspended. And many of us also believe if Gurley was looking out for Gurley, he would go pro now – particularly when one considers a 4 game suspension for this load of b.s.. Finally, many of us have no objection to players getting a cut of the multi-millions they generate. Those are not mutually exclusive issues.

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  9. Brandon (Version 1)

    Well fracking said.

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  10. Scott W.

    Everyone calling for Gurley to sign with an agent or declare for the NFL, what the hell is wrong with you? Sure he could get hurt. He could’ve gotten hurt at any point. Just because he’ll have missed 4 games, he should quit on his teammates? How will it show the NCAA anything? I don’t get your reasoning.

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    • Raleigh St. Claire

      Because the NCAA only exists so long as athletes like Todd Gurley continue to play by their anachronistic rules.

      Its a teetering house of cards. That kind of statement from a player as popular as Gurley could be the tipping point.

      I think that should be obvious to anyone. Todd Gurley is going to be one of the NCAA’s last stands before it is swept into the dustbin of history.

      Bye Bye.

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    • Bob

      +100 Does anyone seriously thinks the NCAA would give a damn if Gurley signs with an agent at this time? To think that they would feel offended is nuts. You can argue that Todd might be better off, but the idea that his signing with an agent would somehow “show” the NCAA implies that that august organization would somehow suddenly care.

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    • 3rdandGrantham

      Because the NCAA is punishing him for breaking a totally absurd and hypocritical rule, including a demand of repayment and performing 40 hours of community service, in which the NCAA now expects him to be a good little soldier and do what they say. If Gurley abides, he’s essentially helping the NCAA prop up such insidious rules and giving their decision making total credibility.

      Besides, NFL scouts/GM’s have stated that Gurley’s draft stock is rising, as there’s less wear and tear combined with almost zero chance of getting hurt while sitting out.

      Regardless, why stop and just the 3 remaining games on the schedule that Gurley can play? Based on your reasoning, if Gurley leaves for the NFL after this season and doesn’t return for his senior year, he’s quitting on his teammates.

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      • Scott W.

        No. Reason being, anyone with talent, their junior year is their senior year.

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        • 3rdandGrantham

          Says who? Plenty of talented, rock solid first rounders have returned for their senior year previously; particularly on teams that had potential to be great. You can’t have it both ways and say its quitting now to prepare for the NFL, but not at the end of the season, in which he “quits” the team and doesn’t return for his senior year.

          Besides, you didn’t address my point regarding propping up the corrupt NCAA coupled with GM’s opining that him sitting out is a good thing for his draft stock. IMO, those who desperately want him to return regardless are being extremely selfish as they have no skin the in the game, as they only care about him returning to help the Dawgs win.

          I’m willing to bet that if you were a, say, Husky fan living in Seattle, you’d probably be signing a different tune and would be imploring Gurley to leave like so many others are.

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          • Scott W.

            Which will up his draft status more, sitting out or playing those last three scheduled games and wrecking shop? Also possibly getting his team in the post season while dealing with the adversity dealt to him. His situation has already accelerated the crumbling of the NCAA and his leaving or staying at UGA won’t have anything else to do with it. As far as kids returning for their senior year, we all know how rare it can be with talent levels this high.

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            • Cosmic Dawg

              “Wrecking shop” assumes he should have undue, irrational loyalty to a system that no.longer benefits him. You want people who only play because they love the G? Scuttle the monopoly and stop giving athletic scholarships.

              Gurley may love Georgia – I think he does. Let him make a few bucks and finish his degree in the summers.

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              • Scott W.

                The kid is going to make plenty of money. Y’all are self hating, arguement changers.

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                • 3rdandGrantham

                  No, you are selfish for wanting Gurley to return for your own self-appeasement only. If Gurley played for Iowa or Washington, I seriously doubt you’d be as passionate about him staying until the end of the year. In fact, I’m guessing you’d too be rooting for him to move on in effort to stick it to the NCAA. Try to be objective with some degree of self-awareness for once.

                  The average NFL career for a RB is 2.5 years. Not exactly a long shelf-life and Gurley only has a very limited window to use his talents to make money. Besides, NFL RB’s are a dying breed with all the pass happy offenses these days, never mind the high risk of injury. This is why the Chris Mortensen’s of the world have reported that NFL GM’s ideally would advise Gurley not to return.

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                • Mayor

                  One of the things that makes Gurley such an attractive NFL prospect is that he is a terrific receiver coming out of the backfield. Wheel routes and screens, baby!

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                • Scott W.

                  Washington and Iowa play football?

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                • Mayor

                  Not really–they each do field a team, however.

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            • Hackerdog

              NFL officials are already on record saying that Gurley’s draft status is helped by him not playing. I’m not sure what you think he could possibly accomplish for his future coming back. He’s already proven to be the best player in college football. How can he possibly improve that? In terms of Gurley’s draft status, playing again can only hurt him.

              Not that I think he’ll sit out. I suppose he’ll probably suit up for the Auburn game. But that doesn’t mean it’s a smart choice for his pro career.

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  11. Georgia should have done what F$U is doing – No, they shouldn’t have, but the AA and, in particular, GM shouldn’t have been so tone deaf to screw up the PR and communications on this issue so poorly. I guess we can only hope when the dust settles, someone other than CMR comes out to discuss the situation. I still think the AA should have told Todd to engage counsel before answering one single question on this issue. By the way, CMR shouldn’t be the one who asks the questions about compliance/eligibility issues – it’s the compliance staff’s responsibility.

    Georgia is a shining city on a hill – We did what we had to under the circumstances. The team needs reminding about 15 minutes before coming out of the tunnel in the Gator Bowl (yes, I still call it that) what team that piece of slime who started this whole thing is a fan of.

    Gurley will be forever stained – TG3II is a DGD on and off the field. He’s been nothing but a great teammate who made some poor decisions in this one area. I want to see his first interview after all this is behind him because I hope he tells the NCAA what he thinks of their stupid rules.

    To the NCAA – I used to be in the pure amateurism camp, but your hypocrisy is beyond belief. Get this rule repealed, provide full cost of attendance scholarships, and find a way to have the athletes share in the revenues they help generate. I’m now in the camp of “I hope Jeffrey Kessler burns your entire house of cards to the ground.”

    Let’s go skin some Gators on Saturday …

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    • Gaskilldawg

      I am also in the “revoke the NCAA ‘s tax exempt status ” camp. Let it pay income tax on the income from the half billion dollar reserve fund.

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      • Gaskill, I’m getting there as well with everyone involved including the UGA AA. If everyone didn’t hide behind the “educational opportunities” they provide to obtain tax-exempt status, this whole thing would collapse.

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  12. godawg

    I’m just hoping that when the NCAA talked to some of the other memorabilia dealers who said they paid Gurley, they also said, “Oh yeah, by the way, I only had to pay him half of what Jameis charged me.”

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  13. Gravidy

    Senator, my only quibble with your post is this part:

    “Todd Gurley was found to have received three grand over a couple of years. The extra money you promised would have been at least that much. Had you been sincere about it, we wouldn’t be sitting here angry right now because Gurley wouldn’t have needed to resort to autograph sales to put a few bucks in his pocket.”

    You most assuredly do not know that to be true. I’m not going to pile on Gurley, here, so I’ll just keep my comments generic. If you think players all across the board will stop seeking alternate ways to put a few bucks (or crab legs) in their pockets if/when the NCAA allows them to start receiving stipends, I think you are quite mistaken.

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    • Meaning Gurley took more than $3K? I’m not exactly sure what you know assuredly to be true here.

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      • David K

        Easy money is easy money. Who knows what else is going on out there? Certainly if a booster is handing Gurley or any of these guys cash they’re not turning it down. I sure as hell wouldn’t and it wouldn’t matter if the University was already giving me a few thousand a year.

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      • Gravidy

        If you are going to willfully ignore the plain text of my comment, I guess we’re done. Have a nice time in Jax.

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      • Human nature is what’s most assuredly true here. Even the wealthiest people in the world are always looking for ways to make more money. “Enough” is rarely ever enough. To think Todd wouldn’t have done this if there were a stipend or whatever in place is a very naive thought. And I don’t say that as a criticism of Todd, I say that as a statement of reality for any of us who might have been in his shoes.

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        • DawgPhan

          Sure people want to make more money. But each dollar is worth less than the previous one. That is why Bill Gates isnt running a meth lab on the weekends. That we know of…

          For someone who has $0, $100 is a big improvement. If TG had $10k from the school the math changes for accepting $5/ mini helmet signed. What was worth once a risk worth taking is no longer worth taking.

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          • Agreed, though in real dollars, we’re still talking about money that can be blown through quickly. There’s a reason many people making $100k/yr live paycheck to paycheck just like the guy making $30k/yr. As more money comes in, people change their lifestyles and spend money on things they wouldn’t have before, no reason to think a college student wouldn’t be as guilty if not moreso. The temptation for easy money would still be strong. I agree that it wouldn’t be quite as strong as it currently is, but to say it would be a risk “no longer worth taking” is a big leap, IMO.

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    • You are correct. I don’t speak for the Senator, but he has consistently been in favor of the ability to trade on name and likeness. If you get all of this money out in the open, people pay taxes due and the slime like these dealers get pushed out.

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      • Biggus Rickus

        And different slimy people bid on players through this new loophole. I think it is every player’s god given right to sell anything they own if they want to. However, if you think this will make college football CLEANER, you’re mistaken.

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        • It will get the money above the table if it’s done appropriately. The key thing is to give players the opportunity to do this aboveboard and receive just compensation for their name and likeness. If someone wants to give a player $10,000 for an autographed jersey, what business is it of the NCAA or the member institution as long as the athlete pays the taxes due?

          I don’t have a problem with a player’s appearance in a commercial for the local car dealer in exchange for the use of a vehicle. Once again, as long as everything is paid for and disclosed, who cares?

          The veil of college football and men’s basketball as amateur sports has been pierced. It’s not going back no matter what the NCAA and the universities want. O’Bannon was just the beginning …

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    • AthensHomerDawg

      What I gleaned was that if they wanted to make some money there were ways they could make it that won’t be “against the rules”. So Gurley could sell his autograph and such. Privileged athletes that chose to rape,rob, and pillage are going to so cause they want to and can get away with it. They didn’t learn to do that once they got to college. They brought that mind set with them. Getting paid won’t change their character issures.The players from Alabama that went on a spree beating up students, stealing ccards, and phones is just unbelievable to me.

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  14. the Boz had it right on his T-shirt.

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  15. uglydawg

    The NCAA will be forever stained. The fourty hours community service? CMR should tell the NCAA that if TG actually does this that it will end all UGA sanctioned or sponsered communtiy service in the future. Where in tha HELL is the consideration and credit due this program and TG for all of the extra things that have been done right? I don’t know why or if a school has to belong to the NCAA but if there’s a way out, Georgia ought to take it.

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  16. SemperFiDawg

    I’m over it. It’s 2 days away from playing our most hated rival. We go to battle with what we have. Chubb is a Howitzer. I like his odds of raining Hell, death and destruction down upon Florida. Ready for Gater blood and gore. Let’s focus on that.

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  17. The NCAA statement indicates that he took more than $3000; not just $3000. I hope he got an assload of money and helped out his family.

    I also hope the IRS isn’t watching this and looking to see if he paid taxes!

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  18. sUGArdaddy

    Todd ain’t leaving. Lord, anyone who thinks that hasn’t played football. That’s just not what you do.

    The part I can’t figure is how in the world the NCAA couldn’t figure out what a PR nightmare this was going to be. Todd is a super popular athlete even admired by our rivals. Everyone wants to see him play because we know that college careers are so short. Todd’s name is going to get said in court so many times w/ the NCAA they’ll get tired of it. That’s the part that I can’t figure out. How could they not see how this would turn out and be used against them?

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  19. Gaskilldawg

    Just a thought. What would have happened if our interrogation of Gurley was purposely limited to the Allen $400, and our report to the NCAA was “Allen paid Gurley $400. The punishment is 2 games. Nothing more to discuss. ” Then, when the NCAA asks to get statement from Gurley have Gurley ‘s lawyer take the position that Gurley has a duty to respond to specific allegations of wrongdoing, the only allegation was by allen, that was confirmed and don’t contact the player until UGA or the NCAA has an allegation to discuss, and advise that they are prepared to enjoin any fishing expedition.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      I think brother Bluto is being far to soft on UGA. I’m no lawyer, but I doubt an attorney representing Gurley would’ve allowed him to provide self-incriminating testimony/evidence. I fail to see what UGA’s hiring of an attorney for Gurley accomplished. I sure as hell wouldn’t hire King as my attorney after this fiasco. UGA failed miserably when it came to protecting Gurley’s rights as a citizen of the USA.

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      • Doggoned

        Gurley needed to retain his own lawyer — to look after his interests, not that of the school.

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      • Will (The Other One)

        I suspect King’s a decent attorney, but it doesn’t do any good to hire him after the AA already talked to Gurley (which is what I suspect the timeline is.)

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      • GaskillDawg

        I cannot cite you chapter and verse, but refusing to respond to NCAA questions can, under certain circumstances, make a player ineligible. Therefore there are times the player needs to say something. I think a player needs independent advice about exactly what duty a player has to make statements and when a player can remain silent without jeopardizing eligibility for remaining silent.

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      • Cojones

        None of this makes a difference because other monies were already the problem to Allen’s complaint. The accusation was made, Todd was asked if the allegations were true and he answered honestly from the git-go. That meant the $400 AND the other signings. It all came about before lawyers were ever mentioned and you can’t back it out. Neither could the NCAA.

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        • Mayor

          That’s the point, Cojones. When the $400 allegation was made UGA should have gotten a lawyer for Todd RIGHT THEN, before Todd talked to anyone–particularly his coach. Why did Johnny Football get a 1/2 game suspension and Todd end up with 4 games? Because Johnny Football lawyered up immediately and STFU. The 2 cases are remarkably similar. The intermediary thing with Manziel isn’t as significant as some believe, IMHO. What happened in Todd’s case was a slimy autograph blackmarketeer said he paid Todd $400 to sign autographs and he had a video of a black man with dreadlocks-from behind so his face was not visible-signing stuff. The accuser is a known Gator from his website. The allegations were admittedly made for a vindictive reason according to the accuser himself–Todd signed other autographs making the accuser’s less valuable (according to the accuser). This is really pretty weak sauce. Any good lawyer advises Todd to STFU, then cuts a deal with the NCAA similar to Manziel’s, after all, the precedent had been set by Manziel. UGA coaches/administrators badgered their own player into confessing, turned Todd in and forced the NCAA to take action by giving the NCAA proof that Todd was guilty of a 4 game violation even though Georgia begged for less. This is all on Georgia. The NCAA is sh!t, but at that point the NCAA has to do what it did. I’ll bet that the NCAA didn’t really want to do it because of the bad publicity but it had no choice at that point. Georgia had painted the NCAA publicly into a corner. I said it in an earlier post. Everybody on Georgia’s side of this who participated in getting Gurley to give up his rights and forced/tricked him into confessing needs to be fired and I do mean everybody. Will it happen? No. That doesn’t mean that what they did was right though. If Gurley had played for Auburn, A&M, Bama, LSU, or just about any other school in the SEC either nothing would have happened or he would of gotten a 1/2 game suspension. Question: What does this tell recruits about where they should go to school? Georgial? Hell, no! It says “Go anywhere EXCEPT Georgia!” Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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  20. For the life of me I can’t understand this theory that Gurley should leave now and prepare for the draft. Can you imagine what NFL GMs would say about a player who left the team with a SEC title and potential playoff spot still in front of them? Makes no sense to me. At all.

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    • Cosmic Dawg

      Because character is a big deal in the NFL?

      Will not change his status up or down if he stays or goes.

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      • I agree it won’t change Gurley’s status per character. I’m sure his production might be looked at. Don’t know if that matters or not. He didn’t pinch a waitress while drunk or smoke pot. That was reported to have effected Mettenberger’s draft status. Certain indiscretions are more pardonable than others? Looks like Met is going to get his shot to start at qb now. Wish him well. I believe we will see Gurley play again. Hope so anyway. But I’m a silly guy. 😉

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      • It has nothing to do with personal character. It has everything to do with being devoted to your team and your team being able to trust you. GMs would not like a kid walking out, especially with so much left to play for.

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    • They could care less about that. Talent guys have clearly stated that the less wear and tear on a running back, the better. They have also said there’s enough film on him to know he was ready for the League last year if he were eligible.

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  21. Had you been sincere about it, we wouldn’t be sitting here angry right now because Gurley wouldn’t have needed to resort to autograph sales to put a few bucks in his pocket.

    This is some rich naivete right here. You think Gurley signed this stuff for cash because he needed the money or wanted it? If the full cost of attendance stuff passes (as it should) kids are still going to look for more.

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  22. Scorpio Jones, III

    Good God…I agree with everything Blutarsky wrote…this makes me very nervous…surely there is something I can pick at.

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    • uglydawg

      See his next post. The one right before he’s leaving for Jax. You can find something:)

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      • Scorpio Jones, III

        This one here is that one, Ug….I am done with all this Gurley angst…got no time for it anymore, got hats to polish, Kharma to contemplate, worrying to do about Florida…join me.

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  23. I am amazed he even gets the opportunity to come back at all. While I have no doubt that if we had lawyered him up and dared the NCAA to suspend him we could have played Gurley the rest of the season, we all know that’s not in Georgia’s DNA. Probably the best thing to come out o this is that everyone sees that those who cooperate with the NCAA get screwed. So, if nothing else, it’s another nail in their coffin. We will all live to see the day when the NCAA no longer has anything to do with major college football. Is that a good thing? Yes. And no.

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  24. I’ve unfortunately let this bother me more than I should have. I spend the week reading crap and getting mad/sad. Then Saturday comes and I “forget” for a few hours. Here’s to a repeat.

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  25. Dawg in Miami

    I would love to see Chubb given the 1st half against Auburn, then let Gurley have the 2nd half. Chubb with the momentum starting off the game, then all the anticipation for Gurley…with a month of rest and built up angst. Sanford stadium would be nuts for 4 quarters. I don’t ever really post, but I love reading this blog and its comments. Go Dawgs!

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  26. Bill Glenn

    UGA should have done a reasonable investigation, but it went overboard. If Bryan Allen says he gave him $400, then interview him and any witness he puts you in touch with and then interview Gurley with his lawyer. Get the 1 game suspension. It appears that UGA went to Ebay and started dialing for witnesses to come up with the $3000 figure. Why? They didn’t have to go that far. TAMU didn’t do that on Manziel and Auburn sure didn’t do it on Cam Newton, and the NCAA didn’t follow up and investigate, so didn’t that set a precedent that schools should pursue the evidence that is there without going on a fishing expedition? UGA compliance would make Woodward and Bernstein remark “don’t you think you are being a little overzealous?”

    UGA has a self-punitive streak. Look at the pot policy. A non-addictive drug that is legal in 2 states and will soon be legal in many more. UGA tested Bacarri Rambo off season after Spring Break. Why? Our athletes could travel to Colorado, smoke legally, off campus, off season and be punished because of our busy body AD and compliance department. The NCAA does not even have a pot policy. Again, why?

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    • Tronan

      This. Other than to 1) win points in a self-righteousness contest that no-one else entered and/or 2) show players that there but for the grace of UGA go they, it’s hard for a sensible person to understand this ardent desire for self-flagellation.

      Not that points one and two are reasonable, but at least they’re explanations.

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    • Mayor

      +1,000,000. What happened to Gurley is just another example of Georgia coaches/administrators committing Hari-kari. “We have met the enemy and it is us.”

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    • 00 Dawg

      Exactly. No other athletic department, to my knowledge, punishes its teams and players as often — or as publicly — as Georgia’s.

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    • MinnesotaDawg

      Yes. Yes. Yes.

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    • Hackerdog

      I thought the same thing. I can’t think of another school’s investigation that turned up more than what was public already. The schools either confirm, or dispute, the allegations. This now makes twice that the best player on the team has been done in by a fishing expedition that UGA was complicit in. No wonder Mark Emmert gives us two thumbs up.

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  27. Otto

    I disagree that it is time to move on from an article on Forbes: ”I think the chancellor of Texas A&M would have lost his job if Manziel had been suspended by the university; here, there isn’t the alumni/fan pressure on the head of the Georgia system, thus the kid sits in limbo, his future dimming, and nobody cares.”

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2014/10/29/todd-gurley-at-mercy-of-ncaa-with-little-chance-to-return-before-auburn/

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    • Mayor

      I think everyone at the University of Georgia whose fingerprints are on what happened to Gurley should be fired. Everyone, no matter who.

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  28. read it…”non-person” is pretty damming to the NCAA.

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  29. brcdavis

    Perfectly stated Senator.

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  30. Thanks for the clean summary senator. Your post and Michaux comments sum it all up for me.
    http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2014-10-29/michaux-gurleys-punishment-doesnt-add?v=1414590543

    I am done with this. Lets get some Gators. GO DAWGS

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  31. AusDawg85

    Moving on…

    Gator D is legitimate. When they stack the box, it’s probably going to work. Bobo and Mason will have to go vertical. OL weakness has been pass blocking (I’m looking at you Theus). Boom will likely blitz a lot to keep Mason from having time to make decisions and to force turnovers, poor field position. Still don’t see how they score, but too much ugly play from us early could set a really bad tone and keep the gators in this much longer than necessary. Weather to be cool and windy…hope we eventually succeed enough at smash-mouth football to wear them down by the 4th quarter. I see it close for too long, and then the Dawgs pulling away in the end…31 – 17.

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    • Will (The Other One)

      Agree, but, the Gator secondary outside of Hargreaves is terrible.

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    • sUGArdaddy

      Bama had 223 rushing yards against them. LSU had 195 with a QB who can’t throw a temper tantrum. I think ol’ #27 is as good as any of those guys, and our O-line is better than both. Didn’t that stellar Mizzou D-line stack the box along with Arky’s?

      Just think about this: We’ve got the potential to see something no UGA team I don’t think has ever done — two 1,000 yard rushers. One would think Nick is gonna get another 300 in the next 2 weeks, that puts him well over 800 with more to play. Gurley is just shy of 800. Gurley my pass 1,000 by end of the 1st QTR vs. Auburn.

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  32. Will Trane

    Will the coaches look to shorten the game against the Gators? Looking for a short field and making the revamped Gators go the distance, get impatient, and turn the ball over. Have to put 7’s on the board everytime inside the 30. Do not want to see a situation like against Arkansas where the D is playing almost 75% of the half. Do that in Jax and see what happens a few short day later up in Lexington. And that game is an early kick off.
    Everything now is compacted re time…meetings, reviews, prep, practice, travel, and recovery. The loss of any player or players until coming out of Lexington will have impacts on the outcome. Can not run a true frosh against these next two defenses some 35+ plays.
    Dawgs whole season rides on the next 16 days…3 SEC teams. Game plans, game management, and roster management will be huge for the Dawgs now…more so that #3 sits for 2. But will Bobo push it and expect a completely rested and pissed-off #3 to come back and make a statement to the SECW, SEC, NCAA, and the “alleged committee experts”.
    Think the team and coaches know #3 is back to play…and will they cover the bets and autographs until the roster is not as thinned as now.
    These guys are playing for themselves now, not some coaches and some coaches futures or any damn committee.

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    • Olddawg 55

      Keep in mind that there are no “true freshmen” at this stage of the season..Chubb, the OL, the WRs are all veterans given the season and the number of practices. It comes down to who wants it the most…and the OC, DC, of course. Go Dawgs…GATA!!!

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  33. The way I see it, the Gurley situation brings up several different issues that must be looked at individually.

    1. The NCAA as a whole and its relationship with and power over college athletics.
    2. The particular NCAA rule stating that players can’t be compensated for their name and/or likeness.

    3. The way that different member institutions deal with the NCAA when violations occur and how to handle them.

    3b. NCAA violations vs. criminal charges.

    1. Todd Gurley committing an NCAA violation.

    I think these are all separate topics of discussion. Unfortunately, most of us are combining a few of these in some way and it just leads to talking in circles.

    One thing that we can all agree on is that we are all frustrated about the fact that Todd Gurley is not playing football for UGA right now.

    We are mad about the whole thing and everyone has different opinions on who to blame or be mad at the most. TG is a likable guy, is very exciting to watch play the game, and we don’t want to have a reason to assign any blame or have any negative feelings towards him.

    The point that I, and I think a lot of people are trying to make, is that this system was in place when Todd Gurley accepted the scholarship to play for UGA under the rules of the NCAA and he knew the consequences of breaking those rules. He admitted breaking those rules which is commendable and certainly speaks to his character. But when it comes to the question of why he is not playing right now, the bottom line is that he knowingly broke a rule, (however questionable or immoral you think that rule may be is irrelevant here) and therefore one can not logically assign more blame for this whole thing happening at all to anyone other than Todd Gurley.

    Todd Gurley is the one that brought this distraction on the team, ruined his chances at a Heisman, ruined the University’s chances of having another Heisman winner, and possibly cost his team and teammates some degree of success. By his own words, he seems to have acknowledged that and his behavior since this has all come to light has, by all accounts, been commendable and it is great to see a young man handling the consequences of his actions, regardless of whether or not anyone thinks those actions should warrant any punishment.

    Adults and people of influence making excuses for a young person’s mistakes by blaming a larger entity is exactly the attitude that encourages the entitlement behavior exhibited by those like Jameis Winston, Aaron Hernandez, etc, etc, etc….

    Again, topic #s 1, 2 and 3 are another story.

    GO Dawgs! Beat Florida! And, TGIII, I can’t wait to see you on the field in Sanford Stadium on November 15 exacting revenge upon the Auburn Tigers! .

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  34. Cojones

    The two extra games given Gurley are two extra games given Chubb.

    Chubb is our new Touchmybaby.

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