Once more into the breach, dear friends: the absolute last, final thoughts on Gurleygate

I thought I was done with discussing the Gurley suspension, but after Greg McGarity opened up to the media about what took place, I got a few emails asking/challenging me about why I hadn’t posted a response.  Honestly, I don’t think what he had to say has done much to change my perceptions, but since you asked…

First, I recommend you read this post from Bernie which breaks down the timeline of how things unfolded.  From there, a few observations:

  • The investigation.  I never had a problem with how Georgia conducted the investigation.  As I said before, once Bryan Allen came knocking on Georgia’s door, the school had little choice but to check things out.  Unlike FSU, plausible deniability wasn’t an option.  Georgia deserves credit for steering Todd to legal counsel early on, and even more credit for not asking Gurley a direct question it didn’t want to hear the answer to.
  • The P.R.  An absolute, unmitigated flop.  Which is puzzling, because McGarity got off to such a terrific start.  But giving the backhand to a fan base understandably upset by the news about Georgia’s star player and then closing up until the NCAA delivered the bad news led to a lot of unnecessary anxiety and anger towards the school.  And let’s face it – McGarity didn’t open up now because he thought we needed to know, he did so because he was stung by the criticism.  The thing is, it’s not like a lot more needed to be said, as most of the fan base grasped the “rules are rules” aspect of what came down.  It wouldn’t have taken much to settle us down, but we never got that.  And the most troubling aspect of all of this is that McGarity insists he “…didn’t understand the criticism that UGA had mismanaged the situation, or had a ‘P.R. nightmare.'”
  • Misreading the NCAA.  Why Georgia thought it would be able to convince the NCAA to go easy in this situation escapes me.  There’s an established track record out there that clearly indicates the more a school cooperates in an investigation, the easier it makes it for the NCAA to drop the hammer.  What really gets me here is that you’re dealing with a corrupt organization enforcing a corrupt rule with little public support, if not outright contempt in the media, and an enforcement division in shambles, so why would you worry about the possibility that the NCAA would take the extreme measure of effectively ending Gurley’s collegiate career?  There’s no way that was a shitstorm Mark Emmert would be willing to face.  Aside from being honest with itself about the P.R. debacle, the next thing the athletic department needs to do is take a page from Auburn’s book and hire somebody intimately familiar with the inner workings of NCAA enforcement.  (And, yes, I get that the AD was probably nervous about the Bauerle situation, but that’s all the more reason to make sure the gun you’re defending yourself with is fully loaded.)
  • The Georgia Way, in a nutshell.  I hate this quote:  “I don’t think we should apologize to anyone for seeking the truth, for doing what is right, and just for operating your business the right way.”  As is always the case with Georgia athletics, virtue is its own reward.  At least he’s got something to keep him warm at night during the offseason.

That’s all I got.  Really.

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127 responses to “Once more into the breach, dear friends: the absolute last, final thoughts on Gurleygate

  1. The other Doug

    We needed to drop a hint that Gurley was considering joining one of the current lawsuits or starting his own. Add in something about seeking an immediate injunction. Then the NCAA would have negotiated a punishment instead of handing it down.

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    • Macallanlover

      Agree that could have been woven into the conversation but you would think the NCAA’s sensitivity antennae would have been at full mast given the environment they have been operating in the past few years in court. If not from that legal experience, how could they miss the daily ridicule coming at them nationally from print, radio, and TV media? Perhaps the most united I have seen CFB “experts” and fans. Not sure corrupt is the right adjective for them, but incompetent and void of leadership seems to fit perfectly.

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    • Krautdawg

      B-M culture at its finest. Saban has his Process; we have ours.

      Bama Process:
      1) Identify all variables.
      2) Develop plans for all possible outcomes.
      3) Turn those plans, as far as possible, into drills.
      4) Practice those drills daily.
      5) If results are substandard, adjust plans, drills, or players.

      UGA Process:
      1) Achieve substandard results.
      2) Give interview/press release about honor, integrity, and education. Portray these things as wholly incompatible with anything beyond mediocre performances.

      Richt did it after the UF game, now we’ve got McGarity doing it for the Gurley suspension. Could we please go one beyond FreeGurley and start a FreeGeorgiaFootball trend?

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  2. Somebody in athletics, not a blogger a commentator or a writer, needs to publicly make the case that the lattimore retirement and the Gurley suspension make it painfully obvious that college football is a broken, corrupt system that will not be fixed until the people that the system profits off of are taken care of financially and no longer exploited by an array of rules designed to extract maximum value from the player and provide minimum in return.

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    • Why would they? The moneyed interest in college sports see nothing wrong with the status quo. I thought CMR and GM should have come out and called for these rules to change while accepting the punishment. Another opportunity missed.

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      • Because it’s the right thing to do. If they want to be self interested about it, you may start seeing third year players bow out and train for the draft if it doesn’t get addressed.

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      • Tronan

        But it’s highly unlikely GM wants these rules to change. I doubt many – if any – ADs will voluntarily surrender their monopoly on any and all potential sources of income.

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  3. hodgie

    Senator, please explain why you hate this quote. I don’t understand your reasoning.
    The Georgia Way, in a nutshell. I hate this quote: “I don’t think we should apologize to anyone for seeking the truth, for doing what is right, and just for operating your business the right way.” As is always the case with Georgia athletics, virtue is its own reward. At least he’s got something to keep him warm at night during the offseason.

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    • At B-M, feeling noble is more important than maximizing results.

      I’m not advocating cheating, but it wouldn’t hurt if they worried more about getting the best outcome first. They might actually be surprised to find out how good that can feel.

      Not to mention that I disagree with his assertion that the school did everything the right way…

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      • Well said, Senator. I know you and I disagree about the first press release. It seemed throughout the process McGarity wanted to deflect attention away from the AA. He had a chance to stand up for student-athlete rights and decided not to do it for whatever reason.

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      • hodgie

        1.Not sure what feeling noble means but if if it means not being ashamed, I’m ok with that.
        2. What is best outcome? No suspension? That’s not gonna happen. He admitted he did it. I’m surprised all he got was 4 games.
        3. Serious question, other than handling the pr differently, what wasn’t done the right way?

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        • The other Doug

          I would love to be a fly on the wall when you do your taxes.

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          • hodgie

            Hahaha, would you do my taxes for free? You would feel noble afterward because you wouldn’t have to cheat on them.

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        • noble – of an exalted moral or mental character of excellence

          shame – a condition of humiliating disgrace or disrepute

          Not to be overly glib, but I think there are quite a few fans who believe the Florida game is more shameful than the very ugly investigation into the grade changes that happened on McGarity’s watch. McGarity can pretend there is a higher sense of moral excellence in the UGA athletic department. I say that is naivete or bullshit. I hope our AD is not naive since he is in charge of a half-billion dollar enterprise. Your mileage may vary.

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          • hodgie

            When has he claimed moral high ground above others? All the man did was lead an honest investigation. Give him a break. Or, look at other schools who have covered up like PSU. How did that work out?

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        • Cojones

          Good questions. They should be answered. As soon as B-M is mentioned or GM sends out a quote, some fans who want to be in-the-know jump aboard and use self-styled buzz words about Athletic Dept politics like old cronies across the back fence and without getting to the meat and potatoes of their remarks.

          My own disagreement with GM occurred after the Regent’s Meeting room door was left ajar purposefully so that threatening words against Richt’s job could be disseminated. I thought it was cheap, insulting and predicated on GM coming here to get rid of Richt as part of his AD job. I don’t know much of the politics mainly because I don’t really want to know. And I haven’t judged GM any further than that. I’ve felt all along that their reasons for other silence or communication was in the best interests of UGA. I wanted to know Gurley facts as much as anyone, but I’m not going to lambast the Ath. Dept. admin for every decision.

          All businesses and large Corps have gossip lines and semi-secret communication systems that run from the executive assts to the admin assts and through the copy room. If I wanted to know what was happening at all levels, I just asked my admin asst., although sometimes I was meeting with the Pres and CEO of companies on a daily basis. I doubt if it works any different at B-M. Sometimes it takes prior knowledge to separate the gossip wheat from the chaff.

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          • GaskillDawg

            I never heard about the door being left ajar at the Board of regents meeting and discussing Richt’s job. Care to share any more details?

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            • Cojones

              Sure, but I warn you that the explanation will be ad nauseum to some.

              Several years ago (3-4?), when Richt was on the hot seat and the year wasn’t going swimmingly after a previous losing season and a two-loss beginning, the Regents held a meeting with McGarity , Adams. others. The door was ajar enough for Dr Thomas Lawhorne’s voice to carry to interested ears concerning Richt’s future and the glove was thrown in McGarity’s direction that he was hired to do something about it. The short of it was that Richt finished the regular season with only the two losses and the calls for firings diminished.

              The timing was intentional for everyone to hear the “overheard” remarks and I took it as an intentional warning that would take the blame off the shoulders of the would-be executioner, McGarity. The conversation sounded as if it was part of the reason McGarity was hired.

              Since it went away with a successful season, I’ve let dead Dawgs lie and don’t have any other reasons to dislike McGarity’s actions and the way he does his job. Of course, I have to admit that I belong to the unwashed and am not privy to the goings-on in B-M because of my unpowerful position as just an alum and fan of our football team.

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          • Mayor

            McGarity is a snake in the grass. I read that fairy tail he released about the Gurley timeline. Attorney King was hired AFTER October 9, according to info released by UGA earlier. If the investigation started on October 7 and was totally wrapped up in 2 days including Todd Gurley’s “confession” how could that have happened with Todd being represented by counsel? What I want to know, and what the timeline doesn’t say, is who did Todd confess to and exactly when did that happen? All that other stuff is self-serving window dressing.

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            • W Cobb Dawg

              I think that’s the most overlooked issue involved – Gurley’s rights were kicked aside until it was too late to provide any sort of self-defense. ‘Don’t worry Todd, your lawyer will be here right after you sign a full confession.’ I think everyone involved at BM should be reprimanded, maybe fired, just for screwing Gurley out of his right not to incriminate himself. Doesn’t anyone think this is serious?

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              • MinnesotaDawg

                Agree (with you both). The UGA official timeline where Gurley gets representation “from minute one” (or something to that effect), as McGarity is quoted, seems dubious. Of course, we don’t have all the facts, but it seems clear that Gurley must have confessed early on. Unless Gurley’s attorney was the first defense lawyer ever that uttered the phrase “Confession is good for the soul, young man,” something doesn’t add up here. And without such confession, what type of absolute incriminating evidence could there be? Allen already said he didn’t have evidence of Gurley actually taking money (and the Manziel case already illustrated the value of a signing video). Eventually we’ll know the complete truth…..I guess.

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                • Aladawg

                  I totally agree. I posted that several days ago. I just don’t buy the BS that Gurley got the lawyer first. There is no doubt in my mind that right after the E-mails someone at UGA spoke to Gurley and said paraphrased “What’s this about Todd?” Where was Johnny Cochran for Todd. IF GM was really concerned about the rule he would have done something about it 4 years or so ago when the AJ Green fiasco occurred. If we are all about the truth how did the Bauerle situation occur and how come the coaching staff is pissed at Ramik Wilson and Sterling Bailey for being honest. This process significantly hurt our team emotionally and mentally. Todd is their leader, teammate and friend and after 3-4 weeks of a fiasco…. not 2 days they were spent. I hope they can energize this weekend.

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                • Mayor

                  I’m betting the “someone at UGA” Gurley spoke to is Mark Richt.

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        • Hackerdog

          The best outcome would be to catch a break. Allen claims he told UGA about $400, which would mean a 2-game suspension. If UGA had done a cursory investigation and confirmed the $400, Gurley probably gets a 2-game suspension. Or, if McGarity goes public and leaks the investigation to the press, Emmert can explain to an angry public why he’s enforcing a law that has just been declared to be illegal. At that point, Emmert might just go off script again and give Gurley a lesser penalty.

          Instead, UGA goes above and beyond and uncovers $3k in benefits, which means a 4-game suspension. But, since UGA did the NCAA’s job, instead of waiting to see if the NCAA bungled yet another slam dunk investigation, the NCAA gave them no consideration and imposed the exact penalty the bylaws call for. And to top it off, the NCAA publicly stated that the penalties were almost WORSE than what the bylaws called for because Gurley signed so many autographs (which can’t be allowed). It was only UGA throwing themselves on the mercy of the NCAA that resulted in the exact penalty the rule prescribes.

          Maybe UGA should hire Neville Shapiro to handle our compliance issues. Miami came out pretty well where he was involved.

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      • James

        “I’m not advocating cheating, but it wouldn’t hurt if they worried more about getting the best outcome first. ”

        Well which is it?

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          • hodgie

            Senator, this is where I think there’s some sort of disagreement or misunderstanding amongst the fanbase. In my opinion, in order for UGA to have gotten the desired result, they would’ve had to cheat.

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            • Getting aggressive with the NCAA isn’t the same thing as cheating. Are you saying TAMU cheated when Manziel was only suspended for half a game?

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              • hodgie

                Please don’t twist my words around. I didn’t say anything about TAMU. What I have said is, Gurley admitted guilt. What was UGA to do then? If they don’t turn it in, it is cheating.

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                • hodgie

                  I shouldn’t say twist my words around. I should say I am talking about UGA not TAMU. However, I don’t think Manziel ever admitted guilt. Gurley did.

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                • You start by leaving yourself in a position of plausible deniability so that you have some wiggle room when you first communicate with the NCAA and you work hard to force a deal at that point with an organization that is having a hard time on the enforcement front.

                  Look, there are things that went on here that McGarity isn’t discussing. It’s telling that Richt acted in the bye week like a coach who thought he’d have his star player back for the Florida game.

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                • AusDawg85

                  Bryon Allen, a video and a 3rd party witness running around on the loose. Allen already was whoring his story to the media. No comparison to the TAMU situation. Could it not be that the “hard ball” position was to come clean fast and make the case that “hey, unlike others, we’re on top of this and acted quickly…how ’bout some leniency?” Given Emmert’s response and UGA’s post-meeting actions, that sounds about right…and then the NCAA f**ed ’em anyway.

                  This sounds more plausible to me.

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                • There was film of Manziel, remember?

                  And Allen lawyered up.

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                • GaskillDawg

                  Yeah, there was a reason Richt acted as if he expected Gurley back. I do not think it was intentional disinformation by Richt.

                  My assumption was that UGA, King and The NCAA had resolved the matter when Gurley filed for reinstatement. if they had not it was not good damage control with the fans to announce on Wednesday the 22nd that he had applied for reinstatement without giving the caveat that the length of suspension was not settled.

                  The fact that no one was candid with Richt is very odd.

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                • Mayor

                  If what you describe did occur then the NCAA surprised Gurley and the Dawgs by giving Gurley a 4 game suspension instead of a two game suspension. That means the NCAA double-crossed UGA.

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                • hodgie

                  “I never had a problem with how Georgia conducted the investigation. As I said before, once Bryan Allen came knocking on Georgia’s door, the school had little choice but to check things out. Unlike FSU, plausible deniability wasn’t an option.”
                  How could there be wiggle room for plausible deniability? You said earlier it wasn’t an option. I’m sure there are things McGarity isn’t discussing. However, with the facts we have I don’t think UGA did a bad thing. They did the best they could’ve except for the PR fiasco.

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                • You go to the NCAA before you speak with Gurley. You don’t go running around looking for the money until you exhaust the opportunity to cut a deal.

                  There are plenty of options you can pursue before walking in the door with your arms extended waiting for somebody to slap the cuffs on them.

                  Unless you’re Penn State, of course.

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                • GaskillDawg

                  Pure speculation on my part, and maybe UGA did just as I am about to write, but how about we do not ask Gurley any questions until he has a lawyer. What Gurley told his lawyer is privileged. Approach King and say, “Allen says he paid Gurley. Are you going to contest that to the NCAA?” Do not mention money, just the issue of Allen paying Gurley something. The NCAA rules make a player ineligible if he refuses to respond to inquiries, so Gurley has to make some statement. Have him say, “What Allen said is correct. If the NCAA asks, tell us about other autograph dealers King says, “We have a duty to respond to allegations. We responded to Allen’s allegations by agreeing with Allen. There are no further allegations to respond to. If anyone does make any allegations of violations of the rules we will respond to specific allegations.” Send the NCAA a draft of a petition for injunction asking a court to issue a temporary restraining order prohibiting the NCAA from threatening a player’s eligibility for not allowing a fishing trip without any allegations to trigger an investigation.

                  Maybe it would be a bluff but at least it is not just saying to the NCAA, “Just don’t hit too hard.”

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                • Hackerdog

                  Gurley did have a lawyer before UGA spoke to him. I think what Bluto is objecting to, in the investigation, is that McGarity contacted Allen and the other witness, bumped the benefits number up to $3k, had Gurley confirm the amount, and then went to the NCAA with that number.

                  It might have been possible to contact the NCAA first, state that Gurley had been accused of accepting $400, and asking for a deal while your investigation is ongoing.

                  A cursory investigation to either confirm or deny the $400 would probably have been enough to satisfy the NCAA. I’m sure it would have been a PR hit if they had gone looking for dirt on a Heisman front-runner accused of breaking a rule that had been declared illegal and that the NCAA admits should be changed.

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                • SAtowndawg

                  What McGarity isn’t stating in the timeline is that our own compliance staff reached out to other dealers on their own and dug up more payments, which after they had Gurley corroborate the original 400 payment….that was the second bit of information was sent to the NCAA and how they got the 3000 figure instead of 400….our Athletic Department could have left it alone at $400.00 but instead went out of their way to give the NCAA a stronger case against our own athlete…that is what is shameful…

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                • SATowndawg:

                  Best quote I heard on this…

                  “We volunteered to load the rifles for our own firing squad.”

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                • GaskillDawg

                  Why would autograph dealers confirm payments? Every time a player signs for money the player violates the rules and would be ineligible for at least 1 game. A player has to trust a dealer that the dealer will not spill the beans about payments. If word gets around that dealer “X” will give the NCAA information that would affect a player’s eligibility then players will not sell to dealer X. No dealer wants to be thought of as a snitch, unless they are a frigging idiot such as Allen who totally lacks foresight. That is why dealers, who have no legal obligation to take UGA’s or NCAA’s phone calls, would not be fingering Gurley.

                  The only source of payments above what Allen said would have to have come from Gurley.

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                • Mayor

                  Right GD. His actions only confirm that the real reason Allen did what he did was to “get” Gurley. Allen is a Gator and was (1) trying to get Gurley suspended, certainly from the WLOCP at least, in order to enhance FU’s chances of winning that game (I hate that it worked), and (2) wreck the season for FU’s biggest conference rival. If Allen could make some $$ out of selling the video to some commercial TV outlet that would be icing on the cake. How would Allen make $$ from calling B-M and telling those guys Gurley was taking money for autographs? No, this whole thing was a set-up to get Gurley suspended, and it worked.

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                • Mayor

                  P.S. McGarity and the rest of B-M fell right into the trap. Allen know exactly what to do–snitch on Gurley to Georgia which, in turn, would leave no stone unturned in its self-destructive effort to unearth any possible evidence to support Allen’s story and, worse, make the violation even bigger than the one Allen alleged. Worked like a charm.

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          • James

            I was being serious. This is an easy case to take your opinion because the rule itself is bullshit, and so why not fight it, because you have the moral high ground. The problem is that isn’t always the case, especially when you start talking about FSU and JW, or even PSU. Taking the “fight for the best outcome regardless of the facts to put yourself in the best position” doesn’t work when you don’t have the moral high ground. That’s the issue, and now you’re left arguing about what is and isn’t moral, instead of what is and isn’t in the rules. It makes more sense to fight those battles separately imo.

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            • James

              Also — it’s one thing for you and I to talk about the deplorable NCAA, and how they’re terrible and suppressing athlete’s rights in the name of the dollar, ect. It’s something very different for Georgia to do that. The NCAA is a lot more Georgia than Mark Emmert.

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            • I’m not arguing that this was the time and place to fight the amateurism rule. (Presumably Georgia is still in favor of the NCAA model, anyway.) I’m only saying that Georgia didn’t have to rollover at the first opportunity, given how lax NCAA enforcement has been of late.

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              • SAtowndawg

                exactly…after the $400.00 payment was confirmed, we didn’t need to continue to investigate other payments as he had committed some kind of actual crime…the Athletic Department is directly responsible for the additional 2 games

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              • Debby Balcer

                It is only lax against who they want it to be lax against. It is either look the other way or throw the book.

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              • Mayor

                Senator, I think I’ve figured out what happened here. The Jack Bauerle situation was percolating at the time Gurleygate began. Looking at this objectively, I believe that the allegations of academic fraud in the Bauerle situation which raised the prospect of “lack of institutional control” (and possible serious penalties to the University of Georgia by the NCAA) cowed McGarity into acting like he did. He was likely afraid that if he played hardball with the NCAA on the Gurley matter that Georgia (and Bauerle himself) would be treated more harshly on the other matter. I make no comment on the question of whether McGarity’s reaction was right or wrong in this post, but merely observe that the Bauerle matter likely influenced the way McGarity handled the Gurley matter.

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      • Otto

        AJ Green set the precedent. Fighting the NCAA is like going to court, you want the best lawyer you can get and you need someone that is current on how the court is handling things. The NCAA has been soft lately.

        from Forbes: “Texas A&M simply refused to find probable cause to suspend Manziel, so he wasn’t suspended, and then to save face, the NCAA negotiated the half-game suspension,” Johnson said. ”I think the chancellor of Texas A&M would have lost his job if Manziel had been suspended by the university; here, there isn’t the alumni/fan pressure on the head of the Georgia system, thus the kid sits in limbo, his future dimming, and nobody cares.”

        I don’t advocate cheating but I wouldn’t go into traffic court expecting to get a ticket reduced without a lawyer. Signing autographs for money is also not the same as what we see some other athletes doing. It may even be 100% NCAA legal this time next year.

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2014/10/29/todd-gurley-at-mercy-of-ncaa-with-little-chance-to-return-before-auburn/

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        • GaskillDawg

          You also would not go to court on a traffic ticket, then turn over all your income, expense and deduction information to the State as a part of plea negotiations on the traffic ticket just so the solicitor can make sure there is nothing else to talk about.

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    • DawgPhan

      Also that he said it at a time when one of his most senior coaches is involved in a changing grades for athletes. So you know..that slightly higher pile of pig shit provides a wonderful view.

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  4. Scorpio Jones, III

    Have you seen that Kentucky quarterback?…he looks huge, just huge.

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  5. I’m still disappointed in the way this was handled. I can’t wait for TG3II to respond when he is able if he decides to tell all. I want to know if that loser threatened Todd with exposure.

    I don’t advocate cheating on the current rules, but I also don’t think we should make it easy for the most corrupt organization in American sports to get the satisfaction of nailing a high profile program to show it’s still relevant.

    Jeffrey Kessler, burn it to the ground.

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  6. Go Dawgs!

    Georgia was foolish to think that Gurley would be eligible for the Florida game. In fact, they were just plain dumb. If we’d heard the $3,000 number in advance, none of us would have expected #3 to play. Now, I have no idea if Mark Richt actually thought that Gurley was going to be playing but he certainly set up his practices like #3 would be there. He moved Green back to the defense. He did all this KNOWING that Gurley was in excess of the number on the NCAA’s little playbook that says “4 games”. Then we get the news on Wednesday that Gurley’s out.

    Well, he’s right in saying that the game plan doesn’t change whether it’s Gurley or Chubb starting. However, given that Coach Richt has styled himself as a student of energy and mojo ever since the 20th or so game where his team failed to show up appearing to give a damn about an opponent, I find it hard to believe that he couldn’t see the let-down coming. Georgia got through the first two games of the suspension in great shape and everyone (EVERYONE from the fans, coaches, and players on down) relaxed and thought, “whew! We got through it.” All indications from Butts-Mehre were that we were confident Gurley would be back and we’d be going down the stretch at something resembling full strength, Mitchell and Scott-Wesley’s inability to return to form notwithstanding. Instead, the emotional roller coaster went off another cliff and this time the team didn’t rebound. There’s a time in the early part of any crisis where it’s easy to rally. And then there’s the time when you’re just too drained.

    Todd Gurley doesn’t play defense, but I’ll go to my grave thinking that Mark Richt and Butts-Mehre did a terrible job of managing the emotions and energy of this team. They should have known that Gurley would not be back. They should have told the team and the fans that. And their punishment is knowing that they took the better team to Jacksonville and just got pasted because their guys were going through the motions and the Florida Gators wanted it.

    Well, guess what? Kentucky wants it bad this weekend.

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    • How do you know they didn’t? Telling the fans one thing and the players another is pretty common.

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      • Go Dawgs!

        If you read three sentences into what I wrote, you’ll see that I typed in English: “Now, I have no idea if Mark Richt actually thought that Gurley was going to be playing but he certainly set up his practices like #3 would be there.” He did move JJ Green back to defense during the bye week. People who don’t work for the football team (ie, the press) saw it. Now, could that have all been some elaborate ruse? Sure. But it wasn’t. Because it accomplishes absolutely nothing. There’s nothing to gain there. There’s no element of surprise for Florida or any other team to prepare for because the plays are the same whether Gurley plays or Chubb plays.

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        • I agree. Thats what I don’t understand, why UGA thought he was coming back and then wham, another two games. UGAs appealing the decision just reinforces this. Appeal maybe done as a PR move, but like you said it sure seemed Richt thought he was coming back, and McGarity stated that Richt was in the know all along. While Richt and company did a great job of getting the team up for the previous two games, I think the bad news regarding Gurley coming just a couple days before we traveled down to Jville had an effect on the teams morale. And the players post-game comments to the effect of “we weren’t ready” just reinforce this. But theres enough blame for everyone in this thing, I think. From Gurley to the NCAA and everyone in-between. It just sucks getting beat by Florida like that, this year in particular, but thats life.

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          • SAtowndawg

            They thought he was getting two games until our AD gave the NCAA additional information of other payments….that changed it to four

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            • How do you know this?

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              • SAtowndawg

                McGarity would not explain what other information was given to the NCAA in his carefully crafted PR statements/interview which were conveniently released on Election Night so as to get no attention….open records requests have been filed and they will corroborate the details of how the athletic department independently reached out to other dealers while trying to dig up more dirt on Gurley….the result of which was the new information we gave to the NCAA concerning additional payments…why we thought they wouldn’t tack on an additional 2 games I’ll never know

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                • But it was the NCAA that asked UGA for more info. If what you say is true, and what we then gave them was what gave them grounds for 2 more games, wouldn’t that suggest that they maybe the NCAA had some info of their own? Are you saying UGA intentionally withheld info, then the NCAA asked for more, and thats what we gave them?

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    • The other Doug

      It seems very likely that UGA talked to the NCAA and was assured that Gurley would get 2 games.

      Greg, you ignorant slut.

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      • GaskillDawg

        That is the conclusion I drew, too. Surely the B-M guys could not be so inexperienced with settlement negotiations to not have worked out a deal before Gurley submitted his request.

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    • PTC DAWG

      Arkansas wanted it bad too.

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  7. Castleberry

    I thought I had come to peace with this and moved on. Postseason order forms hit the mailbox yesterday. Anyone want to take a stab at the cost for a single reserved since to the CFP National Championship game? $450. But – Hey – it’s all about amateurism.

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    • I guess we now know the reason McGarity came out of his bunker. We just lost a game in a jaw-dropping fashion and had our championship hopes dashed. We get our best player suspended for an additional 2 games while everyone laughs at us. Now, he needs to be able to show meaningless bowl game officials we have pre-orders for tickets.

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      • MurphDawg

        After the crap seats I got for a half empty Outback Bowl in Tampa a couple of years ago, I won’t buy seats for anything other than the National Championship from UGA. I got significantly better seats the following year at the Capital One bowl for a minimal amount of additional dollars than what my season ticket holder status affords me buying through the AA.

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        • Castleberry

          That’s right on. The only tickets on that form that will be worth more than face are national champsionship, Chick Fil A, and maybe the Duck Commander. For any other bowl trip it is better to scalp. I hear the guys on the radio talking about the athletic department having to eat that money when Georgia doesn’t sell out, but maybe they should demand all their seats between the 30s.

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  8. DawgPhan

    Also when you get pulled over for speeding you dont provide proof to the officer that you have been speeding multiple times over the last several years and then ask for leniency…there will be none.

    The whole thing is just so georgia.

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  9. There is abiding by the rules, and there is doing the right thing. Those are not always the same. They may have done what they felt they had to do, which was also abiding by the rules as they are. But, they could have also told the NCAA that they didn’t believe the rule was enforceable given the negotiated Manziel suspension last year and the O’Bannon verdict this summer. The NCAA might have ended Gurley’s career instead of allowing him to come back. They might have forced UGA to forfeit games. You know what you don’t forfeit? Losses.

    Consistently falling on your sword in the name of the Georgia Way is no reward at all, yet our trophy cases are full of moral victories and little else.

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    • UGA is clearly interested in maintaining the status quo as long as possible to maximize revenues. That is not the right thing to do and the fact that the UGA AA asserts doing the right thing is their primary objective makes me sick in my heart.

      We don’t pay our players or engage in tolerated under the table handshake or ATM stipends. Ergo we have problems come spring break time with 18-20 year olds and $.

      It’s a corrupt rule, instituted and enforced by a corrupt organization and UGA abiding by it is bad enough – but not coming out and saying something about it or paying a stipend under O’Bannon guidelines or Flat Out condemning it – taints us or makes is also corrupt.

      Greene, Bookgate, Checkgate, and Gurleygate. Sheesh – what does it take for McGarity and Morehead to look in the Mirror? What does it take for them to do the ‘Real Right Thing’ which is to publicly condemn the RULE and take vocal, administrative, political, and legal action to change it?

      Oh How I Wish THAT was the Georgia Way.

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  10. uglydawg

    We CAN move on…after this weeks nailbiting at Kentucky. Auburn’s defense is very suspect. Georgia can hold on to the ball and keep the score down…and keep the defense off the field. Todd Gurley will be back. It will be an exciting night in Athens, Ga.. Georgia has a chance to spoil everything for Auburn..how great is that?

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    • Auburn actually has a slightly better scoring defense than Georgia. They just scored 35 points on the best scoring defense in the SEC. Georgia will need to score a touchdown every time it touches the ball to beat Auburn. And maybe steal a possession somewhere.

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      • Cojones

        Have you felt that way before every Auburn game in the last several years? Their D has been feasted upon by Aaron, but now, with Ellis Johnson, they are more imposing. Ta Daa! Enter Pruitt who has done ok against Ellis in head-to head competition. We still match up quite well against Auburn and when we get fighting mad, we kick their asses.

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        • Scorpio Jones, III

          Damn, folks…I thought we had to play Kentucky before we play Awbun…guess I had black out.

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          • Cojones

            Scorp, we posted earlier on here about that game. Are you purposefully trying to keep us from going off-thread? That’s putting an awful lot on your plate, Scorp, what with karmic bitches abounding in our program schedule. Steady up! this thread is swerving hard and you will be drug by our Hounds From Hell into a balls-out kennel fight.

            Sorry. Yeah, you blacked out. 🙂

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  11. What gets me is the strawmen that the “The Georgia Way” dead enders put out there. McGarrity and that ilk always frame it in black and white terms. You are either support absolute corruption at UGA and in college sports generally or you accept, without questioning, “The Georgia Way, defined conveniently as “the way McGarrity wants to do it.”

    Pay no attention to that $125 Gurley jersey in the Bookstore window. Forget the $3.5 m we are paying our football coach, the $1B TV contract or the charade that this is somehow about the student athlete. Repeat after me: “UGA is a shining light in the darkness of college athletics.”

    It seems to me that McGarrity’s condescension for the programs that “don’t do things the right way” is matched by his disdain for fans who might dane to question his methodology.

    I’ll say one thing for the unwashed masses of fans who think UGA is too passive in its approach. At least they grasp the hypocrisy of College Football and big business. I’m not sure McGarrity does.

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    • AthensHomerDawg

      “the way McGarrity wants to do it.”
      McGarrity does what he is told. He isn’t as far up the food chain as you think.

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      • Anon

        All hail supreme leader Leeburn.

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        • Mayor

          It’s about time for Leeburn to retire and McGarity to be gone.

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          • Scorpio Jones, III

            Mayor, I don’t read where anybody mentioned Don Leeburn except Anon.

            Greg McGarity works for the president of Georgia and for the athletic board, the president of the university of Georgia who is one of the sitting members of the NCAA.

            What would you suggest Don Leeburn retire from?

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            • Mayor

              The University of Georgia Athletics Association Board of Directors commonly referred to as the “Athletics Board” or “AB.”

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  12. Will Trane

    Gurley. After Saturday all can talk about his play for awhile…3 games. 4 missed road games. If they split 2-2, a lot of alums are not going to be pleased about CMR.
    We can talk about the AD, CMR, NCAA, but here is where I walk back. And I ask this. Why did Gurley not go to his position coach or his head coach when approached about Allen. Would a player not understand that if you sign an autograph some person, a likely purchaser, will question it. Certainly Allen you knew the rules. And he did not care what the consequences were as long as he received the money now or later [his investment in the transactions]. Puzzled why he even exposed Gurley. Why not wait a few months after Gurley left and sell them off. More value then than now.
    Once again players do not fear CMR. He gives them an out. So does the pious crowd in the Butts-Mehre. Sometimes I question their smarts and academic achievements.
    But in the end it is on Gurley. He cut his teammates. He put himself ahead of them when all along they were putting him first. This is what has to stop at UGA. Has a bad habit of not staying close to players and for making them “stars” too soon. By the way, is Gurley on any 1st team SEC or AA team? Looking at the Lattimore situation and the Clowney matter, pro offices are going to look long and hard at the conduct of players in D1 before they walk the dollars and contract out there. Some of thes guys had better wake up early in life to a let fact of life…all about the return on your investment for the long haul.

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  13. addr

    What continues to puzzle me is this: what possible incentive does Georgia, or any big time athletic program, have to continue to operate in the NCAA’s sinking ship (and even publicly defend it, as McGarity seems to have done with his ‘operating the right way’ quote)? I understand that the status quo is very good to them, but the current situation with regards to amateurism is simply untenable, as even a casual observer can see. Why would you continue to double down on a system that is quickly being dismantled, and cede your future to the courts and lawyers?

    I have a hard time believing that everyone in B-M is simply ignorant of this fact, and would prefer to stick their collective heads in the sand until the courts force them to change. Why not take this opportunity with Gurley to accept the inevitable and advocate for positive change on behalf of your student athletes? Right now, the big time athletic programs have the opportunity to shape the dialogue over the future of college athletics, but they all seem content to horde the money while giving the finger to those who brought in those millions of TV and donor money.

    You put it too nicely, Senator. The ‘operating the right way’ quote is at best tone def, and at worst completely delusional. There is nothing noble about following and defending a rule which unlawfully restricts the rights of those whom you purport to care about. There is certainly nothing noble about taking your moral cues from an organization that continues to profit from athletes on the free market while insisting with a straight face that it is wrong for those same people to participate in the same free market. If anyone at B-M honestly believes that they took the moral high ground with this Gurley situation, they all need to be fired and replaced with those who actually care about the University and its athletes.

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    • Cojones

      You speak as if the NCAA is disbanded and we toady to some leftover office people. You may lambast their admin all you want, but do you have a clue that the NCAA was created by and subscribed to by the college membership? You speak as if it has no teeth. Don’t get taken in by the threatening attitude of fans vs the NCAA. They are created to uphold the rules. Willfully disobeying your own org created for your own purposes is downright stupid.

      Who informed you that they are no longer the representative of colleges playing football?

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    • GaskillDawg

      You asked, “what possible incentive does Georgia, or any big time athletic program, have to continue to operate in the NCAA’s sinking ship.”

      My answer: When we field a team and sell tickets we want opponents we can play. NCAA rules prohibit NCAA teams from playing teams that are not in the NCAA. Georgia needs to have SEC teams and Tech on the schedule so it can continue to generate $50 million in revenue. No one will pay money to see us play an NAIA schedule.

      Our incentive to stay is that the NCAA is where the money is.

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  14. AusDawg85

    Sooooo many accused Mark Richt of making the situation worse. So few (read none) have come back to acknowledge how wrong they were. I know, I know…you’ve got the disaster in JAX now to cover your rational for wanting to fire him. Lucky that.

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    • Cojones

      Good post.

      Why is this blog beginning to shape up like “The Caine Mutiny”?

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    • DawgPhan

      Let’s see….the idiots over at B-M screwed this thing up. They might have screwed it in entirely different way than some people thought, but they still screwed it up.

      So you want people to care that they were wrong about how it was screwed up? The how isntly really important.

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  15. So, this is what it looks like…so please, let us move on from this place

    “tho’ much is taken, much abides,
    We are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven,
    that which we are, we are…”

    “…two words which express the sentiment of the entire Bulldawg Nation…..”go Dawgs!”

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    • AthensHomerDawg

      …One equal temper of heroic hearts,
      Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
      To strive, to seek, to find,
      and not to yield.

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  16. Of course you don’t understand, Greg! Why would I be pissed that you’re in bed with the NCAA? Again…doing the right thing and following rules established by who? What a misplaced sense of doing the right thing. Doing the right thing for yourselves…

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    • AthensHomerDawg

      McGarity is an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.

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      • I’ve been waiting for that line to drop…

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      • The horror, the horror.

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      • Bulldog Joe

        A very naive errand boy at that.

        Why he and Richt thought Gurley would be back immediately after telling the NCAA he collected almost 10x the maximum allowed in a 10% suspension is something that makes no sense.

        Why he and Richt thought a Thursday appeal to their competitors was worth their time is something that makes no sense.

        Why Richt moved JJ Green back to defense last week is also something that makes no sense.

        We remember what a let down it was to the fans last Wednesday when all this went down.

        We all saw on Saturday what a let down this naive thinking from our leadership was to the team.

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  17. It’s taken all my life but I think I’ve finally realized and accepted that this is the Georgia way. Every reason and resource in the world to regularly compete with the best yet we’re lucky for it to have happened one once every thirty years. All the reasons and resources yet we find a way to hamstring ourselves and then boast about it. It’s really a wonder that we’ve had any success…

    I’ve lived mostly on hope and fading memories and, honestly, I left the stadium Saturday questioning where I am now as a Dawg fan. Hell there isn’t a bigger Dawg fan than myself but weeks of Gurley and then spend my hard earned time and money for the crap on the field Saturday. Seen a lot of losses down there but that was the worst. Worst loss since I don’t know when. I believe the folks that matter care Just enough about winning that it remains profitable. Their actions scream it.

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    • I realize it’s a small thing but I kinda saw the writing on the wall when we installed that newest. video board. The new board had to be the same dimensions and specs as the old board. Same structure and housing from the old board. All they did was swap electronics. Lol!

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    • Bulldog Joe

      The Georgia Way is a smokescreen to substitute moral victories for real victories, keeping the heat off of administration to spend the money necessary to compete at a championship level.

      What is important is show up and collect that shared revenue check, win or lose. UGA is the SEC’s welfare recipient, living large off of the efforts of others.

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      • Mayor

        If by “others” you mean the SEC West, I agree.

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      • AthensHomerDawg

        FIFY
        “Those cash reserves are projected to be $65.3 million after $6.2 million goes to previously approved projects to Sanford Stadium, Foley Field and various scoreboard upgrades.”

        Georgia has benefited from a decision made last fall to begin moving $30 million to the UGA Foundation as an endowment. With the stock market thriving, that produced $450,000 in investment earnings by the end of March, according to treasurer Tim Burgess.

        Getting mad won’t fix it. Finding a way to leverage it is the only way to get what you want. We aren’t Alabama or Auburn. They are the poorest state in the SEC? Nation? Clearly they give their semi-pro team a lot of freedom on how they go about their bidnez. UGA Athletic Association keeps their dog on a short lease. Some know who is in charge. So does GM and CMR.

        As Adams passes the baton to Morehead, he told the full board: “It’s going to take some discipline from this board moving forward and from the administration. There are some places that are running headlong toward the cliff. Assistant coaches salaries, incredible money being spent on revenue sports. It will, in my opinion, it will take some continued self-discipline for us to stay in the black.”

        I wish CC and Mr. Sanchez would devote half their energy to that vs the Bobo Haz a Crayon meme. Wonder why they won’t …

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        • Bulldog Joe

          Interesting Dr. Adams would say that less than two years after pulling $30M-plus out of the athletic association and into his UGA Foundation.

          Adding insult to injury.

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          • AthensHomerDawg

            A college President has to raise money. AD’s do too. One works for the other so hopefully there is no conflict of interest. Hmmmmmm.

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  18. MenloDawg

    Fear not, Kentucky is next to last in the league in both rush D and sacks allowed. We’re built to win this game.

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