Auburn Dawgraded?

It’s not often you see the former ninth-ranked team in the country casually diminished, but ESPN’s Greg Ostendorf has no problem going there.

The losses might have been uncharacteristic for Auburn, who had lost only three games under Malzahn, but the struggles began much before the last two weeks.

There’s plenty more in that “it’s not you, Georgia” vein if you’re interested.

I wonder if this means he thinks that Cameron Artis-Payne is overrated now.

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52 responses to “Auburn Dawgraded?

  1. Coach Bobby Finstock

    “…the struggles began much before the last two weeks.”

    I is a writer. Me like writing. Sports topics. Much like it.

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  2. I thought all off season that losing tre mason and Greg Robinson was going to hurt them badly. Auburn should have lost to ole miss too. Personnel losses and diminished luck have conspired to put auburn where they belong. That wasn’t a great team we beat Saturday night but we beat down a decent team so that’s good. Auburn needed marshall to become a more accomplished passer. And I don’t mean hitting wide open targets when the run is working. He had little chance to bring them back from 20 pts down because they can’t pass when the “have” to pass but only when that “want” to pass. We have a similar problem which is why we have 2 losses.

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    • RocketDawg

      Do you even watch the games? Mason is slinging the ball around ACCURATELY our WR’s have had a case of the drops lately. He doesn’t throw for 300 yds a game because we don’t have to. Good grief…some of you “fans” amaze me.

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      • If Mason were a stronger passer, the Florida game would have been much more competitive. As it was, with his arm, once Georgia was down more than two touchdowns, we had no chance of coming back. If Tech (or any other remaining opponent) jumps out to a substantial early lead, the result will be the same.

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        • Coach Bobby Finstock

          Maybe (Florida)…Maybe not (GT 2013).

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        • Biggus Rickus

          Georgia just came back from 20 down against Tech last year with Mason at QB. Mason didn’t play well for much of the game against Florida, but then, neither did anyone else.

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          • RocketDawg

            You can’t put the Florida loss on Mason. We didn’t even try to throw untiil it was too late and the Oline was compromised after Andrews was hurt. He had virtually no protection and our WR’s haven’t been doing a great job getting separation this year either. That loss was squarely on the Defense and the coaching staff as a whole. When we have needed Mason to step up he has.

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            • Biggus Rickus

              There were several times when he was hesitant to pull the trigger in the first half, and that wasn’t the first time this season he’s played tight. I don’t think he’s as bad as many people make him out to be, but he’s not without flaws. His play definitely contributed to Georgia being down by 24 in the 4th quarter, though I agree with you that the lion’s share of the blame for that game goes to the defense.

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              • PatinDC

                David Andrews injury. Sometimes stuff happens. HM is a baller.

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                • Russ

                  +1. Losing Andrews was huge.

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                • Biggus Rickus

                  He’s a fine QB, good enough, but Andrews’ injury wasn’t the reason he was holding the ball too long and taking sacks on some plays in the Florida game.

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                • Irwin R Fletcher

                  So what was the reason? Is it because he is a bad QB? Or is it because Florida actually has really talented defenders in the secondary and could afford to let UGA dink and dime with a big lead?

                  Florida is a lot of things but not talented enough to hold a lead isn’t one of them. They gave up 20 yards passing to Mizzou…on 18! attempts. They are a drop in the endzone against LSU and a blocked kick against Carolina away from being 7-2. Sagarin has them as his 21st best team in the country. They have a real chance of beating FSU. Seriously.

                  There is no excuse in losing that game…but at the same time, I don’t think it’s worth downgrading the opponent or the QB play because of the expected outcome.

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                • Biggus Rickus

                  I can’t say what specifically was going through his mind. Maybe the wind bothered him. Maybe he was making sure he didn’t make a mistake, thinking that as long as he played mistake free Georgia would win. Maybe he didn’t see the open receiver, and maybe they were covered. I only know that a receiver was open on one of the 4 or 5 plays I’m talking about. And those plays happened in the first half, before Florida built their lead.

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        • Uglydawg

          Did you happen to see last years game against Tech? Do you remember who the Ga. QB was…a year ago? Dude, think before you type.

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          • Uglydawg

            Biggus…sorry..didn’t see your post. Guess we were thinking the same thing…With a more beat-up and weaker team last year, Mason, in his first start, bought Georgia way back against the nerds.
            I think the trolls are already out for the GT game.

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        • Will

          The problem against Florida was partially Mason, but it was also the fact that his offensive line was unable to protect him in the first half on passing downs. When that happens, we already knew the kid is a bit gun shy. Once the oline started failing, there wasn’t much change as Mason gets flighty.

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      • Derek

        Mason is fine as long as we are running the ball down people’s throats. His PA passing is decent but most people can throw PA when you’re averaging 8 plus a carry. That tends to open things up, but he does get enough done in those situations. I think he do ok in a spread ’em out and hurry up offense if we had enough reliable play makers outside to make that go. We’ve been too beat up to go that way unfortunately. However, he anticipates short throws pretty well and he’s pretty accurate on his short throws and the lack of arm strength helps him there.

        If we get back into Atlanta and we draw Alabama we’ll see how good Mason is because they are going to put it on him to win the game. They are going to say that “your path to win is 20+ yards down field because we are choking your run game and the short throws down.” They’ll give him one on one match ups deep with a high safety and bet he can’t get it there. I hope what I’ve seen from him changes that night (if it happens at all) but the possibility scares me.

        He stares his target down on straight drop backs. He’s not as accurate as he needs to be. He threw one to Conley in the end zone that was too low and made it easy on a beaten defender. It should have been high and outside. It was six or an interference if placed correctly. He threw another to Mitchell down at the two that was far too inside and risked a pick. He threw a long ball to Conley that was at least seven yards inside of his target.

        He’s a great kid and I’m pulling for him but he’s not going to dig us out of a ditch against a good team. He just doesn’t have the physical tools to do it. His arm is weak. He may be the slowest man on the field so the defense knows exactly where he’s gonna be when they get there. He lacks confidence (justifiably) so he’s tentative.

        BTW: Lighting up Tech doesn’t impress me.

        BTW2: Look at Mason’s draft status (or lack thereof) next Spring, but I’m sure you know qb play better than me AND all of the NFL’s GMs because they (and I) are dumb. What do they know about not drafting Mason or even signing him to a FA contract? There hasn’t been an SEC Championship QB who wasn’t either draftable or a great athlete (Marshall, Jefferson) in a long time. Chris Leak won the SEC in 2006 went undrafted but he signed a FA contract. Mason won’t. Tough to win with a mediocre qb against good football teams and we haven’t beaten a team with less than 3 losses this season and lost to two with a few more. If we had a qb who could extend plays with his feet and stretch the field with his arm, I’d say we’d be 10-0 right now. Everybody knows the key to beat us: stop the run and put it on Mason. Luckily, most of our opponents can’t do it. None have done it for four quarters. The two that did it in stretches, beat us. Why? We got no Plan B because our QB is limited.

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        • AusDawg85

          What a load of horseshit.

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          • Thoughtful, well-reasoned and obviously researched rebuttal. You could have just sent a video of a chimp screaming and throwing shit. Would have been an equally valuable contribution to the discussions. I often wonder why blogs use letters and words. Why can’t we just send audio clips of monkey sounds? That way everyone could contribute equally to the discussion without the need of a vocabulary.

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            • AusDawg85

              I believe I adequately summed your completely inane and verbose commentary. You lack any sufficient insight nor understanding of the game to be worthy of meaningful debate. Your arguments are infantile and lack any semblance of reality. But do please write on…Thomas Brown will enjoy your trolling techniques of using selective facts, straw man logic, and a POV meant only to incite a reaction.

              Mason’s bomb to IMac is enough evidence to dispute your whole take…one of many positive examples over the course of this season even a casual observer of football could make.

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              • Yes, on the basis of that incompletion mason has risen on the draft boards and will be no doubt taken as the savior of the Oakland Raiders franchise as the no. 1 overall pick. I look forward to todd mcshay and mel kiper’s debate: mason: great QB or greatest qb? All those who think he’s so awesome, tell me why he has no NFL future and if he isn’t a liability in your minds how do expectt to win championships with a talent who falls below professional grade in an enviroment where the only teams winning championships have professional grade (or physically gifted) qbs?

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                • Uglydawg

                  ANOTHER load? None on here has said they think Mason is “awesome”.
                  We just don’t think he’s a “liability”….You seem to have enough empty words of your own without putting them in other poster’s mouths.
                  Mason’s a good qb. If you don’t agree you’re entitled, but wrong.
                  BTW…you need to let the coaching staff know how Alabama will stuff the running game. They may want to bench Chubb and put in someone who can stretch the field..I’m sure they’ll appreciate the heads up.

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                • Normaltown Mike

                  Who the fuck cares about the NFL?

                  NFL fans can put on “fleeves”, spiked shoulder pads and war paint and get in a fist fight all they want. I couldn’t be less interested.

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                • AusDawg85

                  LOL! Grab another shovel and keep digging! Abandoning your own insights, you want to go with Mel Kiper’s? This debate was over before it started. Mason is our QB. The coaches have worked with him for 5 years. He is doing what is asked, working on being better. He is our best starting option. He can make all the throws and has shown it. No one is claiming he is Murray, Stafford, Greene, etc. Why must he be in that group? He has not cost us a game, nor has he been in a position to go do it alone. This nonsense is truly tiresome and boring. Troll if you must, or bring substance to the conversation. Two SEC / BCS champion QB’s in their prime are color commentators on the SEC network…thus future pro status is a ridiculous metric to be focused upon. Mason’s pro “stock” is utterly irrelevant to anything being discussed at GTP.

                  I’m sure most of us think he’s doing a pretty good job, root for his success now and in the future, and regard him as a DGD. What joy are you getting in dogging him here? Plenty of haters on other blogs who will welcome this crap. And before anyone whines about not being able to criticize, get off it. Plenty to critique if you can only understand the f*ing difference.

                  Please do have a nice day.

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            • Puffdawg

              “He’s not as accurate as he needs to be.”

              How’s this for thoughtful research:

              At 67.6%, Hutson Mason has the highest completion percentage in the SEC and the 8th highest in the country. I guess there’s always room for improvement though.

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              • Puffdawg

                BTW, interesting factoid in compiling my detailed research: UGA has had a 100% completion percentage passer for the past 4 consecutive seasons. I wonder how many other teams can “boast” that?

                2014 – Todd Gurley (1 for 1)
                2013 – Rantavious Wooten (1 for 1)
                2012 – Artie Lynch (1 for 1)
                2011 – Parker Welch (1 for 1)

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          • Hound of Kerak

            Perfect, laconic response.

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          • Trbodawg

            non cibos troglodytam

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  3. gastr1

    I hate to say, but this is what you get when you lose that badly to bad teams like UF.

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    • Scorpio Jones, III

      I hate to hear it, too.

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      • Uglydawg

        +1 Scorp. It’s too cold of a day to be running down the riverbank to keep up with water that’s passed so far under the bridge the GT is drifting toward. Mizzou may lose and if they do, we can still get our chance..but no stumbling against the nerds can be allowed.

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        • Mayor

          Absolutely right, Ug. This year’s version of Tech has very quietly turned in the best season they’ve ever had under Fishfry. The big differences seem to be (1) Tech is playing better on D and (2) Tech now has a passing game. Tech has, for once, found a QB who can run that HS offense AND pass effectively. Plus, Tech has 2 wideouts who are about 6’4” 215 pounds and can run. This year’s game against Tech will not be easy.

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    • I think you are right on. The writer even said this was a team handled by uf two weeks ago. That loss is staining our season in the view of some writers. Hard to blame them given how bad uf is and how bad we played in that game.

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      • Scorpio Jones, III

        Why give a fat rat’s ass what some writer says…really? They know about as much as the average serious fan and care far less.

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  4. I saw the most interesting type of dawg grading after the game when a drunk auburn kid was loudly proclaiming the “georgia hasn’t beaten ANYBODY”

    Cognitive dissonance much?

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  5. Dawgfan Will

    Obviously it wasn’t a big game because we won it.

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  6. stuckinred

    I work with two die-hard Auburn grads and they both thought they were bad all along.

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    • Dawgfan Will

      And that may well be true, but the fact remains, we beat them like borrowed mules, worse than anyone else has this season (including all of the ZOMG! awesome teams in the West they’ve played so far). That deserves respect, not Dawggrading.

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  7. At worst, we did what a good team is supposed to do to a bad team. We also did it better than anyone else.

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  8. Uglydawg

    It seems I recall them being in the top ten this time last week…in the invincible SEC W…Georgia has pounded the two west opponents and may get a chance at a third.

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  9. Russ

    The Dawggrading doesn’t surprise me in the least.

    However, I think this Auburn team is pretty much the same as last year’s team. They definitely could have lost 2-3 games last year, including our game and the Bama game. I think they also squeaked out an opening win at home against Utah State. The difference is that Gus lost his rabbit’s foot. Otherwise, they are basically the same team.

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  10. Hound of Kerak

    C’mon, don’t you know that UGA is no more than the team that lost to Florida?

    I’m amazed that the only person I’ve seen defending UGA’s record (maybe I missed someone) at the WWL is, surprisingly, Lou Holtz, who pointed out that UGA grossly underperformed compared to the rest of the season, and probably suspected Florida had no fight left in them.

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