Before the season, remember how some here questioned whether Hutson Mason could perform in the red zone, where he lacked the presumed arm strength to make the tough throws in small windows necessary to succeed?
Mason, in the zone
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Gosh darn facts.
Just keep on rolling. We will get where we need to be.
Didn’t see that coming.
Hmmm…didn’t see that coming from Mason…you’re not a GA receiver, by any chance?
I see what you did there…
He’s done this with 2 of his best receivers hurt for most of the year.
Its that dang Mike Bobo’s. When are we going to finally hire someone who can develop some of this QB talent we recruit?
Agreed. Totally Bobo’s fault…
Don’t cloud the issues with facts! Mason is the reason the defense gave up 38 to Florida and SC, why Gurley was suspended by the NCAA, and why my knee hurts when the weather changes. Time to play [insert favorite backup name here]!
Have you seen Youtube footage of Park? He’s a beast!!!1! Why won’t the coaches play him? Are they afraid of winning?!!1!?!
So now Bauta is no longer any good? Where were you when he was the best QB in the 3rd qtr of our Spring Game? Huh? Huh?
Mason could end the season with as many or more wins than Murray had in a single season.
This blog does not tolerate Mason comparisons to Murray…..
However, that is a very good point. As is the possibility that Mason brings home a SEC title.
Suck on it JUAN!!!
Correction: This blog tolerates but does not endorse stupid comparisons meant to belittle Murray.
Weren’t you part of that fire CMR mantra? Odd you speak of tolerance.
It isn’t just the efficiency…I know we lack a ‘passing game’..cough cough…but Mason is number 1 in completions, 1 in comp %, 2 in attempts per game, and 1 in TD passes.
Question…was the play action pass called on 1st and goal from the 5 against South Carolina really that bad of a call in hind sight? Probably still say they should have run the ball, but puts the logic of it in a different perspective…maybe?
It was not a bad call. It was a good player on D staying home for like the first time all night and horrible job of getting rid of the ball by Mason.
That’s the way I see it. Mason’s a good QB. But that play was a quick read. If the OLB ignores the run action and rushes Mason, he has to throw it out the back of the endzone. It wasn’t the incompletion that killed us. It was the grounding penalty.
That said, I do think Bobo outsmarted himself there. Handing the ball to Gurley three straight times from the 4 yard line has >90% chance of getting a touchdown.
Of course, he was probably thinking that if all else failed, Morgan would make his 400th straight field goal and at least get us to overtime with all the momentum and the better kicker.
While I agree that giving the ball to Gurley four times in a row most likely scores, weren’t you just a little antsy this past week when we were stopped a couple of drives in the third where all we did was run the ball? I’ll admit I was looking for a play action pass there.
Like all coaches, if the play worked, Bobo would’ve been a genius.
No one could have predicted that one with a “dead arm” fictitious football injury ailment could have brought Masonic Order to the little windows of opportunity within the Red Zone.
I like that Masonic Order, although it does appear to have a metaphysical component that may not exist. 🙂
See, to me, the thing that all the doubters and bullshit were really saying Mike Bobo and Mark Richt did not know doodly about what a kid needed to play quarterback in their offense. They were just, you know, playing him cause he had been there a long time.
The Noodle has his day.
I was giving myself the sublime third degree over that but then I wondered where my scooter was…
There have been other “lowlights” this season from posters but the attacks on Mason, and especially the questions about how CMR and CMB don’t know how to evaluate QBs, were the most comical/pathetic. Given the dynamics of the UGA offense, and the absence of some key receivers all year, Mason has done exactly what the last two Alabama QBs did so well, they managed the game and didn’t get in the way of us doing well. No, he isn’t Aaron Murray, or McIlroy for that matter, as a big time talent but he was so much more deserving than what he received here, and on other UGA boards. Hutson might not be able to make all the throws but he has made the ones we needed and he didn’t make the ones Dawg fans would have hated. Good completion percentage, good TD to INT ratio, made a few yards at critical times, and he didn’t leave us when he could have. DGD, imo.
Yep, old Noodles has looked plumb good and must be laughing at those kind of comments except he doesn’t read this bullshit.
Can any one of you QB gurus tell me which pass(es) he can’t throw? I’d be interested in that.
His back shoulder throws have been pretty bad all season. You guys are acting like the concerns about his arm were just made up out of nowhere. Watch the games through Tennessee and the lack of velocity on many of the throws. I’m glad they sorted out his issues early in the year, but they were real.
A lot of that was due to poor footwork, rather than arm strength. His trust in the o-line has grown and his footwork has improved dramatically over the past few weeks.
I agree, but at the time, I wasn’t sure if it was mechanical or something else.
November 18, 2014 at 1:57 PM
“Didn’t see that coming.”
Neither did Goldilocks
“Appendix: The Sound and the Furry”
Michael Edens (2003 Faux Faulkner Winner)
“GOLDILOCKS. Slim blond avatar of unreasoning womankind: who loved not the porridge itself, nor even the act of receiving it from whatever
unknown animal might have been responsible for its preparation (and
that was her third mistake: the first being forcible or at the very
least unlawful entry into the house, the second being her disturbance
of the food; for what might have seemed her third mistake—falling
asleep in the bed of the youngest of the household—was actually not a
mistake at all, being that no self-respecting bear would harm a
sleeping prey, any more than he would have harmed young Ike McCaslin
once he had relieved himself of the compass and the gun, and tracked
Old Ben without malice or even curiosity through the as yet
undespoiled square of ground which old Ikkemotubbe had, knowing it was
not his to grant, nonetheless ceded to whatever Great White Father had
chosen to accept it, knowing it was not his to take): even so, that
was a different bear and another novel, and I can no longer remember
the subject of my sentence.”
Jeepers. You and Cojones have both stepped up your game up. Very good. Cojones has been rather strident lately.
I wonder if Cojones hasn’t graduated his game from bud to button and you two are hanging out together. Maybe I just need a beer huh? Button can make you throw up. Just sayin’
Recently saw a poster attributed to the ganja culture in Australia. A portrait of Jesus with his hand to his face saying: “I gave them such a wonderfully helpful plant and what did they do? They made it illegal.”
Think I’ll check to see if the new batch of cookies are ready before freezing my ass off tonight.
I saw Him last night. He just left Chicago and He’s bound for New
Orleans. He’ll stopover in St. Louis to keep some civil disobedience from breaking out. He’s working from one end to the other and all points in between. He will give autographs during periods of ceasefire.
And that is his rating with three clear drops that would have been touchdowns against the Barn. Not all were from within the 20 but still. That’s impressive considering the crap the kid took early on. And Bobo will be missed when he is hired away, which is going to happen in the near future.
At least Jeremy won’t be hiring another Georgia agent right away.
Kirby is a sleeper.
“Kirby Smart bear hugged Lane Kiffin after Alabama beat LSU, and a great bromance was born.”
Because of that they’re going to be a package deal
But, see, what had happened was….
Nick Marshall is #2 lol
What do all you QB “experts” have to say about his passing game skills?
A strong running game can create a mirage my friends.
I can’t recall anyone here claiming that Marshall has no skill. Most of the preseason prognosticators that picked Marshall as All-SEC assumed that he would develop as a passer. Just like they assumed that Driskell would. I think the consensus here was that Malzahn wasn’t known for developing QBs, and that Marshall probably wouldn’t develop much. And he hasn’t. His completion percentage is below 60%, just like last year, and his quarterback rating is one point different from last year.
He’s good, just like he was last year. But he’s an average passer who is a dangerous runner. It’s his dual threat capability that makes him dangerous. If you can get up on Auburn, and force him to abandon the run and go primarily to the pass, he’s unlikely to be able to perform well.
That must be why Anthony Jennings is ranked so high on the list.
Remind me again how we lost to Florida and Carolina????
I’m going to be gracious and leave this alone…
Ahhhh…who the hell am I kidding? Cue the chimpanzees!
HE AINT #1 ON MEL KIPER’S DRAFT BOARD!!
BTW: (see what I’m doing here?) Who was the clown almost exactly a year ago told us of his inside sources claiming that Murray would never be drafted, make the NFL, etc.? Sure could use an update from him.
I think that the argument about Mason is really a miscommunication. There is a difference between whether he is doing a really good job and whether he’s a really good QB. Mason and Bobo are maximizing what Mason’s abilities are Mason has done a very good job of protecting the ball. The coaches are probably happy with how Mason has played.
Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl being a mediocre QB and playing to the defense and the running game. Is Dilfer a better QB than Dan Marino who didn’t win a Super Bowl? Were the Ravens crazy to move on from Dilfer after the Super Bowl win? David Greene was a great college QB, but there is a reason he never played and Stafford got paid. You may think NFL GM’s and coaches are just morons, but I think that they know football and that a guy like Stafford makes a defense defend the whole field while a guy like David can’t really do that because of his limitations.
My criticism of Mason isn’t that Mason has played poorly, its that he isn’t a talented qb. Because he lacks talent, teams aren’t spending time trying to figure out how to limit Mason, they are trying to figure out how to put the game on Mason’s shoulders. It isn’t Mason’s fault that the defense sucked against UF. But its because of his limitations that you struggle to win a game like that where you need to rally from behind. Because of his attributes, however, taking care of the ball and being just efficient enough, we are pretty damn good with a lead. When we’ve had a two plus score lead we’ve been able to bury people. When we’re chasing, we are a struggling team. If you look at the fake punt vs. Auburn and the on-sides kick vs. Arky, our coaches see that we need a lead early. Early leads and field position are crucial.
I think we would be a better come from behind team if we had a guy with a strong arm and/or one who could move. A guy who could put the team on his back and go. Mason’s not that guy. This doesn’t mean he is playing terrible. Doesn’t mean he is a “fault” for any losses. It does mean that beating a team that plays great run defense and who can score a little is very dangerous to us. A team who scores by playing power football is even more dangerous. Floyd is a great passing rushing DE, but he’s no Bruce Smith you know.
Bless your heart…
You are working so hard to make a point about your own foregone conclusion that you’ve just got yourself twisted in knots. You are correct about miscommunication. Let’s revisit that in a bit. You assume Mason is not a good QB because the coaches are working with him to protect the ball. Try the other side of that coin…he’s pretty good and doing what the coaches want in an offense with such a potent rushing attack, desire for ball control to protect the D, and weakness in the receiving corps. The stats in this post back that interpretation far better than your personal assertion.
This whole NFL thing of yours cuts both ways too. Good college QBs don’t always make good NFL QBs…so how does that mean Mason has no talent? Was Vince Young not talented in college? You are really twisting your arguments here.
As for what other teams are spending time doing to prepare for us…Dude…Todd Gurley and Nick Chubb HAVE to be defended or you know you’ll lose…as 8 teams found out. That’s not ignoring Mason because of lack of talent, that’s picking your poison and the receiving corps being less than world class. Frankly, only the gators got it right, aided by wind, no Gurley, emotion, and a D that confessed to not playing well. When Mason did march us down for a score in the 3rd Q, what happens? Florida rips off another fast TD. Who comes back from that total TEAM failure?
Then you save your best for last…what coaching staff DOESN’T want a lead early? C’Mon Man…you can’t be that stupid! You are so caught up in wanting to make a case that Mason sucks, this is where you really get lost in grasping for “facts” to make your case. And I’m sure last year’s GT comeback was Gurley, not Mason, and the Nebraska failed comeback wasn’t because our best receiver drops a perfect pass in his chest?
Derek, you’re not a troll. They don’t bother trying to make a case. Maybe you’re one of the Dawgsport guys that just can’t let it go that we didn’t throw away the season after SCar and play Ramsey more to prepare for next year…IDK. Maybe it’s personal between you and Mason? Whatever.
The miscommunication is that you won’t just confess to suffering from irrational Hutson Mason hating syndrome and instead work so hard to make these ridiculous points. One more time…he’s a DGD, not a world beater, Heisman candidate or able to solve the Mid-East crisis. But he is damn sure better than deserving of the 1000’s of words written by Dawg fans (?!) denigrating his talent this season. Why do it?
From one Texas Dawg to another….well said brotha!
Nice Aus. One other point is that we are a run first team (running talent like we haven’t had in years) so he gets less chances to throw…that means more pressure to get it right with less opportunities. That, in my mind, makes the kid more than good enough.
I don’t have to hate Brendan Douglas to observe that he ain’t as good as Todd Gurley. I don’t have to hate Tony Milton to observe that he ain’t Herschel Walker and I don’t have to say that Hutson Mason puts fear into the hearts of DC’s across the nation. It isn’t about hating anyone or denigrating anyone. I can tell you a little about what defenses would do if we had to go with #22 and not #3 or #27 or #1. You apparently would process that as criticism of #22. I call it analysis.
Everybody wants to know why we’ve won the way we’ve won and lost the way we’ve lost. I’ve posited why I think we’ve seen these disparate results. I’ve tried simply to be rational about it. I see no harm in seeing the truth and saying it. While Hutson is part of that its also true that if we had the 2000 Baltimore Ravens defense that we’d probably be able to go with you at QB and beat UF. So now I’ve also insulted every defender on our team because they aren’t good enough to get 12 shut outs, but if they were we’d be undefeated.
You’ve had plenty of opportunity to debate football rather than issues of homerism and ad hominem attacks. My guess is that the X’s and O’s of football are simply above your capacity to understand. I couldn’t understand any detailed analysis of quantum mechanics but I wouldn’t assume that which I could not grasp was bullshit. I understand you see the world differently.
I’m not somebody who thinks that prepping Ramsey for 2015 was ever or would ever be the priority for this season. Hutson gives us the best chance to win today. I do think that Ramsey will develop into a great talent. I do think that defenses will prepare differently next year because of that talent.
There have been great college QB’s who didn’t make it in the pros. Some of those guys made their living with their feet which doesn’t translate well to the NFL. Some guys like Murray and Zeier are too short to be effective pocket passers even though the arm strength might be there. Some guys like Wuerffel had a great supporting cast and a system that fit their strengths and did not expose their weaknesses. Our offensive system works better with a guy with a live arm. Spurrier’s system does not require it nearly as much.
Can you tell us three things about Spurrier’s passing system and ours that are different? Just three. Give it a shot. What the hell?
BTW: If I thought Hutson would read what I wrote, I wouldn’t write it. I think he is pretty much maximizing his limited talents so I don’t see what I’ve written as anything more than analysis and observation. You can go on suggesting that we’d be 8-2 with every QB who has ever played the game because to suggest otherwise is to denigrate Mason no matter how ludicrous the suggestion.
And one more time with the truth: Mason can’t run so no one has to worry about containing him and they can focus on the RBs and the receivers. If he could run a little, it would help. Stafford and Murray had some big plays running the read when people went to sleep on them. The defenses could go into a coma on Mason and he’s not running anywhere.
Mason can’t force a defense to defend the deep part of the field with safeties outside of play action because his arm strength is not there. Remember all those back shoulder throws Murray could hit? Why has that gone away? Arm strength. It would be better if Mason could make those throws. On the other hand, Mason throws it directly to the other team less than Murray and that’s a good thing. Doesn’t effect game planning for either side really, but less turnovers is good.
So…I’m not sure I follow the overall point of your argument.
Mason isn’t as naturally talented as Murray, Shockley, or Stafford? I think we all knew that.
What does that have to do with our season that we’re currently in?
Do you want someone else to get playing time?
Are you just complaining to get it off your chest?
Because I can’t believe that you would be complaining about a QB with good statistics in a season where we’re 8-2, ranked #10 in the country with a tiny outside shot of making the CFP and a bigger shot at making the SECCG. Not trying to be a jerk. I really don’t get the point of your comments.
Thank you. I was wondering what the point of the HM “analysis”
was myself. We have two losses this year. Neither one due to QB play, we have two wins ahead and a 10-2 season very close. Let’s keep on rolling and see what happens to Mizzou.
The point was/is we’d have a better shot at 10-0 if mason had better skills. Not a huge point really. However it’s been taken as some sort of an attack on mason rather than an explanation of why we’ve hammered a lot of teams but lost to UF and usc. My supposition is that masons limitations contributed to those losses in a tangible way. Not as a way a blaming him but trying to explain the dynamics that result from having a less talented qb back there. Whether mason is playing well or executing his role is seperate and apart from what his lack of skills do in game planning and why those limitations leave us vulnerable to losing some games we might otherwise win.
Derek, Derek, Derek….It’s a common but oversimplified mindset to blame the starting qb for every loss. I fear you have fallen into that narrow mindset.
You say “We’d have a better shot at 10-0 if Mason had better skills”. You think?
We’d have a better shot at 10-0 if ______________(fill in the blank with any name in the program, including coaches)…had better skills.
Nobody’s perfect, Derek. Everyone has room for improvement.
“Mason’s limitations contributed to those losses in a tangible way”….Good Grief, Derek…
.Again, fill in the blank. “_________________’s limitations contributed to those losses in a tangible way”. You lose as a team..there’s blame in every stocking.
Here’s something I believe but can’t prove….If Mason couldn’t go against GT, Georgia’s chances to win that game would be greatly diminished. Do you agree with that? If Georgia gets to the SEC C game, and wins it, will you still insist that Mason’s skills are less than adequate for an SEC qb?
I’ll repeat my first thought, Derek..It’s a common practice to blame the starting qb for every loss. I fear you have fallen into that narrow mindset.
There are many reasons for losing to Florida. You can begin with them being on the schedule. Them getting off the bus. Them not getting trichinosis the night before the game. Of course, there are other contributing factors. Many. Lots. Innumerable. Few have to do with the fact that Mason runs a 5.0 40, but some of them do. How you quantify that contribution is subjective, but don’t tell me its not there. I have eyes, and a brain.
I’m simply taking on the argument that Mason’s limitations didn’t and/or don’t matter. They do. Its not blame. Its truth. Sorry if anyone is offended but I’d feel a lot better about our chances in the Dome against Alabama, should that happen, if we had a more talented QB. If we get there and lose does it mean its Mason’s fault? No more than its God’s for giving him a rag arm and slow feet. However, those not-God given abilities matter and will matter. I hope that they don’t matter enough obviously. Bobo and CMR have done a very good job of adapting and overcoming those limits.
I think sometimes people read too much into things. Some one says: “Maybe we shouldn’t have killed all the Indians” and somebody angrily responds: “why do you hate America?” These are mutually exclusive things. You can love your country and wish we’d have had the good sense not to import and keep slaves. Some people can keep two seemingly independent thoughts in their own head all at the same time.
Look at two of the Senator’s buffet items: Bill Connelly’s post of what the hell is up with this team and Cory Brinson’s breakdown of Chubb. My small, narrow thought is that in the same way that Chubb’s talent’s allow us to replace Gurley and perhaps not skip a beat is also true at the QB position when we get these seemingly unexplainable results. A contributing factor is what Mason’s limitations did to allow UF to do what it did. The simple fact was that had we been able to track meet that team through the air, their game plan would have been different, and they likely would have lost. A game plan designed to press our ends because of a perceived lack of physicality and discipline might have been noticed but perhaps seen as only sufficient to play a ball control game that would leave them in the dust. They might decide that they needed more. That they needed to throw the ball. They ended up being right in their calculations that they could control our run enough so that they could play keep away on the ground. Had they come in thinking they needed to throw 30 times to keep up would they have won? And weakness at QB is a bigger factor and easier to exploit than weaknesses in other places simply because of the import of your QB. You can hide a weak DT. You can’t hide a weak QB. Ultimately you are made to pay for it.
“There are many reasons for losing to Florida.”
It being an away game, the weather and doing a solid for our agent to keep him in place are my top three but over the past quarter century at 6-19 we’re still 40 points over the Mendoza Line.
I am not sure that a different QB would have resulted in our D closing off the edges better. IMHO that is what killed us in that game. Every time HM got us back close, the D was not able to seal the edges.
Hear! Hear! remark meant for AusDawg’s comment….not Derek’s.
You’re mixing apples and oranges. Great college qbs are just that. College quarterbacks.
Just win baby. Hudson Mason has done just that.
AHD…to re-enforce your point….how many Georgia high school football championships have been won by quarterbacks who never played a snap at the next level? Many, many, many.
You can’t judge performance at one level by projected performance at the next because often there isn’t a next.
Also, look at RG3…I’d say he was pretty good at Baylor…in the pros?
Every one of you guys who have been saying that Hutson Mason is no good needs to study that linked chart until your eyes burn.