Butch Jones, fresh off a dynamic 6-6 season, is getting a pay bump to $3.6 million per year. Dan Mullen is about to get a contract extension – his second of 2014, mind you – after a year in which his team didn’t win the SEC West.
Outside of Derek Mason and his private contract, that means Mark Richt will likely enter 2015 as the lowest paid head coach in the SEC.
Maybe McGarity plans on using the savings to pay for the IPF.
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UPDATE: Hey, don’t take my word for how weird that looks. This is from a UT beat writer.
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Richt doesn’t deserve a pay raise. Does less with the most of any coach in the conference. Was previously Muschamp but he got canned.
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You are an idiot. Thanks for playing.
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Only an idiot would pay a coach more than he’s getting when nobody else is going to offer him more and he’s underachieving. No business person would ever pay an employee more for continually failing to meet the expectations. You give raises for doing a good job. Not for being a nice guy. Seems too many Georgia fans don’t realize the difference.
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In a world in which Charlie Weis keeps getting paid, you are wonderfully naive, my friend.
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Am I naive? You’re the one insinuating that there is something wrong with Mark Richt being one of the lowest paid coaches in the SEC, and yet nobody is concerned that we might lose him. Richt is not a name in demand by anyone. We’re supposed to pay him more – why? Just so we can say he’s paid as much as coaches that have won more than him in the past ten years? Is that another moral victory?
Just because another school wants to overpay their coach doesn’t mean we have to over pay ours. If another school comes courting Richt for his services I’m sure we might look at giving him a raise then, but I seriously doubt there’s anybody out there in the market for a coach who hasn’t won a conference title in almost a decade despite having the 2nd most NFL talent during that time frame.
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The reason nobody is concerned about losing Richt is because everyone believes he’s sincere when he says he isn’t interested in leaving Athens.
Kinda depresses the market.
If you think somebody with two SECCGs on his resume in an open market wouldn’t get paid more than Richt is currently getting, you’re kidding yourself.
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It’s been almost ten years senator.
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So what? Is there some sort of sunset rule where that stuff no longer counts?
I’m not asking whether you think Richt’s worth it. Clearly you don’t. I’m asking if he could get more in the current market. For you to insist that your viewpoint is the same there is… well, naive.
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The answer to your second question is no, which answers your first.
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Bang!! Bang!! Kapow! Good shot Senator right between the eyes!
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The problem is, just like with any job, your boss isn’t going to give you a raise because you deserve one. If you go out and get an offer, he may match or offer a bigger raise to get you to stay, but he is not going to just stroll in on a Thursday with a raise because he’s a great guy. Richt either doesn’t WANT more money, or doesn’t think he deserves it, because all it would take is his agent making a few discrete calls this time of year and BM would have to pony up more dough.
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But it was established that Richt does not retain an agent.
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Two years ago, second best team in the country.
Thank you for playing.
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2nd place is just another name for 1st loser! Hurr.
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scratches butt
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Except it is an open market and hes not getting paid more.
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It’s not open if he repeatedly claims he’s not interested in any other job. There are two parts to supply and demand.
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Your assertion is that because he says he has no interest in leaving he gets no offers, and yet that doesn’t stop countless other coaches from getting offers despite the fact they express no interest. Enough to at least get them raises. I guess Richt is just the only coach in America who can’t be approached with more money? Who’s being naive now, senator?
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Richt also doesn’t employ Jimmy Sexton. If you don’t get that, then you truly are naive about how this works. Those guys get more money because they have an agent that operates in a manner that gets them more money. Richt doesn’t care about the money and doesn’t have his representation informally float his name every time a job opens. As the Senator said, there’s two parts to supply and demand.
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You’ve crossed from naive to stupid. Here’s how the real world works: 1) job opens; 2) agent either receives phone call showing interest in his client OR agent makes up the interest in his own head; 3) agent tells AD that there is interest in his client and shakes down AD for a raise. None of this happens publicly. All we hear is that the guy got a raise and an extension and we infer that what occurred behind closed doors was a shake down.
With Richt if anyone is calling we wouldn’t know because he isn’t shaking the school down for more money every time (or anytime) it happens. For you to say that there isn’t any interest or hasn’t been any interest in CMR is just stupid. To suggest that he couldn’t have ever shaken the school down for more money is equally so.
Like most morons you take what is objectively a positive stand and turn it into a negative. I’ll bet that you think that “turn the other cheek” is for pussies who’d otherwise get a worse beating. Can’t we just be grateful that our coach is loyal and not a self-serving bastard?
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He could have the University of Miami job any time he wants.
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Jeezus at the contortions you will go to when someone mentions Richt may be actually overpaid. It is like people cant even disagree with you without your head exploding. You say he is underpaid and others say he is overpaid……what gives with the outburst when someone has a different view from you when it comes to richt?
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Head exploding? Outburst?
Your lack of self-awareness is impressive.
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Relativism vs. Absolute Truth…the debate continues. Because you have a ‘different view’ doesn’t give that view any gravitas. Richt is underpaid. That is a fact. Whether you blame the athletic department or the man himself is fine to debate. Honestly, I’m of the mindset that you pay your employees what they are worth…not what they could get by leaving. Maybe that’s too ‘old school.’
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If CMR had been interested, is there any doubt Nebraska would have been willing to pay him more to have him rather than Mike Riley (no disrespect to Riley).
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Why would Nebraska want Richt? They just fired the equivalent of Richt in Bo Pelini. Coach can win 9 games a year but is never going to win a championship.
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If Mark Richt announce that he felt it was time to move on from UGA and would entertain offers from other schools, he’d be gone before you can count 1-2-3.
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“Coach can win 9 games a year but is never going to win a championship.”
Except he did…twice. Which Pelini never did. Also, Bo never won more than 10 games. Mark Richt has done that 4 times in 14 years, in a much harder conference.
Just because you think Richt is crap doesn’t mean somebody wouldn’t hire him. His resume (whether you like to admit it or not) is significantly better than Pelini’s.
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I don’t know if you want to be taken seriously in this debate or not, but if you do, statements like this that ignore the facts won’t work well.
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My college coaching compensation model SEC edition
Base – $500,000
Each win – $100,000
SEC div. title – $250,000
Big 6 bowl – $500,000
SEC title – $1,000,000
Playoff entry – $1,000,000
National Champion – $5,000,0000
$1,000,000 put in a “retain” fund each year the coach is employed, fully vested after period of time to be determined by the AD.
OC/DC, position coaches would be under similar system.
The standard moral clauses would apply and would affect the “retain” fund as well
Still might not motivate Richt but 99% of the other coaches would be motivated.
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And you know how many elite coaches you’ll be able to hire with that model? Zippo.
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Wow. What kind of job do you have with those absurd performance based amounts? I didn’t realize McDonalds was paying by how many meals you talk customers into super-sizing.
You can tell the people on here that have absolutely no business sense at all and certainly don’t run their own business with employees. It never ceases to amaze how some don’t understand simple supply and demand economics.
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Most people predicted 3-4 losses this year, and that was before some key injuries How is that underachieving?
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Most people didn’t realize SCU and UF would both be .500 football teams
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Sagarin has UGA playing the 14th toughest schedule in the nation. ~But your theory of taking only two teams on the schedule to determine achievement also has merit.~ <—sarcasm
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Most people didn’t have us beating Auburn either. But we did.
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What exactly are the criteria that BM uses to determine CMR’s performance? I have never seen that written down. It seems to be more than Just Win Baby. which CMR has done BTW.
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You got that right man!
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So you wan’t to give MR a pay raise then?
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If MR doesn’t get a pay raise to at least middle of the pack, you don’t think that’s going to be used on the recruiting trail as evidence that he doesn’t have the school’s full backing?
If you want to get rid of Richt, then get rid of him. Playing this half-assed game with his contract hurts the program.
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I think losing to SCU, UF and GT hurts worse, as does wasting talent like Trent Matthews and Josh Harvey Clemons, letting players likr JJ Green walk to rival schools, rolling over and letting the NCAA suspend Todd Gurley and AJ Green 4 games, failing to develop 5 star players like Ray Drew, I think those things hurt us on the recruiting trail a hell of a lot more than what Mark Richt gets paid, a factoid which I highly doubt recruits give a shit about.
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Amen. Not paying your head coach top dollar pales in comparison.
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Who is Trent Matthews?
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I’m sure he meant Tray Mathews.
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I that TREY Matthews’ twin
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It’s his Cousin.
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Your PoV is certainly validated by our current recruiting results (sarcasm).
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Good lord… the ink is barely dry on Freeze’s new deal, Jones hasn’t signed his yet and Mullen’s isn’t even negotiated. Mind if we wait until the new reality sets in before judging?
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Plus the Dawgs haven’t even played the bowl yet. I seem to remember that usually evaluations take place AFTER the season. What UT is doing with bumping Butch Jones’ salary before the Bowl is highly premature IMHO in that UT likely will lose the bowl game and end up with a losing season.
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I’d love it if that happens!
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You should have quit with just being “naive”, but you pressed on to being “stupid”, now you’ve ventured into being “ridiculously stupid”….how do your thought processes work, man?…Let it go…go watch your favorite NFL team and get the Hell off our bandwagon!
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That’s a pretty wild stretch. I know of no recruiting stories that ended with “I just feel like the school paying 20% under market given the economic boom CFB is going through right now means I won’t be successful there, even though they have top 15 facilities, historical program success and fan support, so I chose Kentucky.”
I do agree with that last part, but if you’re trying to figure out what MR should be paid, I think Nebraska is a good analog.
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That’s not how they’d spin it. “Georgia doesn’t spend money on its coaching staff and won’t even build an IPF. You really think they’re committed to winning?”
You’d make a lousy recruiter. 😉
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I agree!
But I’d make a still terrible but better AD. If you’re worried about how this looks, there’s an easy solution: Offer MR a massive extension at his same rate, putting to rest any “commitment” arguments, and in fact turning the tables on everyone else.
“Do you really think that coach is committed to you when he’ll jump to a new school at the next offer, or if he doesn’t get two raises again next year? You come to UGA you’re playing for me for 5 years, and our fan support, NFL draft placement and program win records speak for themselves on our ability to be successful.”
Now give me a raise.
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This was how Pruitt said they recruited against Richt. He said you can not say anything against the man personally so you attack the support he gets from the school. He knows recruiting.
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This. All the bitching about Richt does is relieve a whiny fanbase and give said fanbase a reputation for being whiny. It has zero effect on whether Richt will remain our coach. The only language B-M understands is dollabillzy’all. If you don’t like the direction of the program, vote with your wallet, ’cause ain’t nothin’ else gonna do shit.
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Sounds like giving the impression of committing to winning other than you know, actually committing to winning.
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And yet somehow we’re hauling in a top class at the moment.
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Truth. For the sake of our program’s respectability, having a 13 year tenured coach making 11th or 12th worst salary is an embarrassment.
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Well, THAT was a mighty fine bitch slap there my Brother.
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Senator, doesn’t this conflict with concept that Richt’s salary is what it is because he is not shaking down the school? How would that imply a lack of backing? I hope you are right that he has interest from other schools and chooses not to shake down the University. It’s one more reason to respect Mark Richt the man. That said,aren’t you being a little ridiculous to presume you know he has all this interest and doesn’t use it? Perhaps he doesn’t have nearly the interest from good or elite schools that we think.
I tend to think his approach is as much a burden to some as it is a hit with others. But the I struggle to balance the desire to win with liking the way he handles his business with class. Simultaneously I resent losing because of the compound effect of having higher standards in a number of areas than our competition.
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Look up and down the salaries of the coaching staff and tell me who’s paid at a level consistent with the upper part of the conference. Pruitt’s about it.
Don’t know where you’re getting this idea that there’s all this outside interest for Richt. I’ve never said that. What I said is that Richt has dampened down such interest by consistently proclaiming from the day he arrived in Athens that he had no desire to chase other jobs. It appears the market has taken him at his word.
Not sure whom you refer to in your “balance” – if Richt, that seems like a presumption on your part; if you, I don’t know why you think you can’t win with class. Something I’m missing there?
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I don’t think there is that much interest for Richt. Candidly I think too many other programs value a win more than winning right.
The “balance” concern refers unfortunately sloely to my own struggle. Specifically, would I take the hypothetical Chizik/Cam shortcut to a championship (assuming something was amiss there solely for purpose of the metaphor and not suggesting there is or isn’t)? Most days I would chose right over the shortcut, but I do find it difficult when losses pileup and at least some of that can be impacted (not saying blamed) on certain uga policies that other schools do not adhere to such as suspensions for alcohol, marijuana, allowing transfers to competitors who have blocked the same to us, kicking players out etc. I don’t think per se you can’t win with class, but it’s hard enough to win, and when we self-limit a little here, a little there, that all adds up to make the incredibly difficult nearer to impossible.
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This was kind of my thought. UGA can hire a good replacement because the job comes with a lot of resources, and UGA can get a replacement coach in a way Miss St. can’t.
MR isn’t the worst coach in the SEC but he isn’t making the most out of his resources either.
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And we already know we could get a Ray Goff, or a Jim Donnan…or we could wander in the wilderness for decades as GT learned after Dodd.
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Sure, just look at the recent success of Florida, Tennessee, Michigan, Miami, USC, Texas. They may not have the resources of a place like UGA, but they’ve managed to be incredibly successful nonetheless. It’s quite easy really.
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^^THIS. Well said.
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And by this logic, no school would ever change coaches. Just stick with what you got, because change could be bad. If it wasn’t already unaccetable, we wouldn’t be debating the need for change in the first place. Change, if done at all, should be done only if the alternative appears or is better. May not like it, but auburn was right to have a coach in play before pulling the trigger on Tuberville. Sure, it played out poorly because no one wants to see that become public, but that is the best way to guarantee that change has its best chance of success. And Georgia shouldn’t be so complacent with where we are as to not be looking around for better suitors.
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I am noty arguing one side or the other in that debate. I do suggest this, however. I don’t think any coach is worth $3 million, myself, but I realize that all the other SEC public schools are paying more. I do not buy the argument that recruits made decisions based on which coaches are paid the best.
I DO suggest, however, that you overlook one important point. Should UGA fire Richt and we have to replace him, that fact tyhat we may have a reputation of underpaying coaches could cause the hottest prospects, such as Harbaugh or Chip Kelly to decide to turn us down for schools that do not have a reputation of underpaying coaches.
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Haven’t you heard? We’re a destination job. Coaches are going to be lining up to be the lowest paid coach in conference.
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Compound that with a fan base that records a coach’s wins with invisible ink and etches the losses in stone. Harbaugh is it itching to replace a guy who went 0-4, 0-1, 0-3, 0-2, 0-3, 0-4, 0-2, 0-3, 0-4, 0-6, 0-4, 0-2, 0-5 and 0-3.
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Actually 0-7 in 2010, but who’s counting? 🙂
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some people don’t deserve a keyboard
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+100
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They haz the sadz.
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Better to keep your mouth closed (not type) and be thought an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
At least we know who the the idiots are now. Wish there was an ignore option.
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Open the coffers to either give Richt a raise, or at a minimum, use the $$$ you would have given to Richt & help bump the pay of the assistants (Bobo in particular).
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This…If Richt is making “more then he ever dreamed” and doesn’t want more, lets pay the Assistants and keep them around like Mickey Andrews at FSU. And to counter the recruiting pitch he just says “Well Senator, I want to make sure that your boy’s position coach is the same as long as he is at Georgia. If I make a bit less to make sure that happens, so be it–I care about the boys.” Other than those pesky National Championships, Saban can’t top that.
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That’s a great idea. Doubt McFrugal will go for it, but it makes great sense. If someone points at Richt’s salary as an indication that UGA isn’t committed to winning, just point to overall staff salary and put that in the top tier of the SEC.
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Fortunately, losing the good assistants hasn’t been much of a problem under Richt
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Richt is overpaid as it is. Why pay 5 plus million for mediocrity, if you can get it for 3?
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+1000000
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You people are insaaaane.
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I’m beginning to understand why other fan bases hate us.
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+100001
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I am starting to hate us……
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Every fanbase hates every other fanbase. Get used to it. This is “Murica after all.
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But paying the players is a Pandora’s box to bankrupting the system, not overpaying for coaches with mediocre fucking results.
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Why waste $$$? I think any mid-tier coach can come in and immediately make the same bewildering coaching calls, head scratching game management mistakes and puzzling player development just fine for the same salary CMR currently makes. Shift that pay raise over to the IPF. Now if you tell me a raise will land us some “hobnail boot-like” play calling again and maybe an SECC game every now and then, then yeah, throw CMR some bones.
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That’s funny. That’s just what Tennessee thought. And Michigan. And Texas. That’s what Florida got by going the cheap route with Muschamp. We have as fine a coach as there is out there. If you don’t understand how his salary will be used in recruiting as the Senator has stated, then you just don’t get it.
It’s not if Richt ‘deserves’ a raise after a fairly status quo record, it’s about the current market of college football.
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COACH SUMLIN: Don’t get cheap on me Hyman!
Here’s a look at the SEC head coaches’ salaries for 2014, and please note that Vanderbilt doesn’t make Derek Mason’s salary public:
Head Coach School Salary
Nick Saban Alabama $6.9 million
Kevin Sumlin Texas A&M $5 million 7-5 9-4 11-2 7-5
Les Miles LSU $4.3 million
Steve Spurrier South Carolina $4.0 million 6-6
Gus Malzahn Auburn $3.85 million 8-4
Bret Bielema Arkansas $3.2 million
Mark Richt Georgia $3.2 million
Gary Pinkel Missouri $3.1 million
Hugh Freeze Ole Miss $3.0 million
Will Muschamp Florida $3.0 million
Butch Jones Tennessee $3.0 million 6-6
Dan Mullen Mississippi State $2.65 million
Mark Stoops Kentucky $2.2 million
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Don’t cloud the issue with facts. This is a Vent-fueled mob!
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Noted.
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+1
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Sometimes folks do actually tweet something that makes perfect sense. In this case, they are spot on.
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Amen and the fire Richt idiots are out in full force. We need to stand behind our coach because the lack of support in used against us in recruiting.
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Every school has this issue.
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Not to the extent we do.
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Richt’s been around for a while. Long enough to gain plenty of haters.
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Isn’t it funny that the “keep Mark Richt” crowd are the ones that can’t make a comment without resorting to juvenile insults and personal attacks? No surprise, every year you have fewer reasons to defend him so all that’s left is to attack the people who have stopped clinging to their emotional attachment to the man.
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You must not read the comments I get.
Trust me, almost everyone here gets heated on occasion. Neither group of debaters is more saintly than the other. So you can spare everyone the sanctimony.
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Hobnail..Don’t paint me with that brush…And I support the imperfect CMR. He’s lacking in some game day skills, but in every other area he’s pretty darn good to great….He can improve his game skills and he will, although he will always make the occasional mistake….you know…like when Saban had time put back on the clock so he could lose to Auburn last year.
Here’s a question for everyone…
Have you EVER seen anyone change another person’s mind in an argument like this one?
There isn’t another coach available as proven as CMR against equal competition…that also can recruit and keep a program clean and respected. Think about what you’re risking and what you’re likely to gain and lose. Look at Florida..Look at Ole Miss (remember the loss to Jax State? they thought they could do better than Cutcliffe and hired Houston Nutt) Look at Tennessee…and it’s still not determined if Butch Jones will work out..If you’re old enough, think about what GT went through after Dodd..Bama after Bryant….
Changing coaches is not an exact science. CMR isn’t perfect, but he’s a lot better than Georgia will likely ever have in our lifetime after he’s gone.
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Looky here, numbnuts. I’m in the “Keep Mark Richt” crowd and we don’t succumb to idiotic shit your low-IQ mind puts out. We objectively move forward while you drag your tired-ass opinions on here like we read your drivel. 🙂
I usually write on a “higher” plane, but what the hell; just tryin’ to qualify as one of the “Keep Mark Richt” crowd.
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Come around a little more often. It’s pretty even on both sides. “Disney Dawg” wasn’t dreamed up by Richt’s supporters. (Of course, I wear that one proudly anyway.)
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By the way, how about standing behind UGA instead of behind Richt? Mark Richt =\= UGA. The program is bigger than he is and keeping him shouldn’t take priority over the success of the program.
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Congratulations for winning today’s Straw Man Award.
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Bout damn time somebody from UGA won something.
Ba-dum-psh!
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I believe you would be more at home with the Florida State win at all cost crowd there hobnail.
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Yes, let’s cling to that moral superiority that exists only in the minds of Georgia fans, while the rest of the CFB world laughs at us. Wanting to win the SEC every once in a decade clearly makes me unreasonable and wanting too much. “He’s a good man, Hobnail.” Yeah, so was Phil
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Fulmer, that is. “But Hobnail, look at Tennessee now!” Anyone here think they’d have been any better off had they kept Phil? There comes a time when you need to move on, and we reached that point four years ago but we’re still hanging on, like a man to a woman who has let him down repeatedly and his friends keep telling him she’s no good for him but we just can’t help ourselves. She’s OUR bitch.
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“let’s cling to that moral superiority that exists only in the minds of Georgia fans”
Yes…morals and ethics are really only to be viewed through the prism of whatever the goal is to be accomplished, said “Every Bad Person Ever”
Until they stop putting “Georgia” on the diploma, the ethics of our athletic department matter.
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Oh no, you mistake me sir. It’s not that ethics and morals don’t matter, it’s that Georgia fans think Mark Richt is the only coach that has them and has been using that as a crutch for almost a decade now.
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By the way, to your original question on whether anyone thinks Tennessee would be better off if they had kept Phil…I’ll raise my hand.
The man went 5-7 a year after going 10-4 and finishing #12 in the country and got fired. Based on this thread, Tennessee would be paying him as much as Saban with that kind of production in 2014.
Did Fulmer ever have losing records in back to back seasons? Nope.
Would Fulmer have left in the middle of hte night to go coach USC? Nope.
Would Fulmer have told Alshon Jeffrey that he would end up pumping gas for the rest of his life? Nope.
This is a guy that had two losing seasons in 17 years as a coach…they haven’t had two winning seasons in the 6 seasons since he left.
So does anyone think Tennessee would be better if they had kept Phil? Emphatically, yes.
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“Anyone here think they’d have been any better off had they kept Phil?”
Yes! Tons of people think that, myself included. I mean, seriously, that’s your example? Tennessee, the program that has sunk to a new low every single year since they fired Fulmer?
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Maybe Richt doesn’t want a pay raise. He can kick back and make a great living without the pressure and constant risk of being fired that comes with the high(est SEC) salary. When people complain about 9 wins, he can say, “hey, you get what you pay for. See if you can get better bang for your buck elsewhere.”
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When people complain about Mark RIcht, how much he makes has literally nothing to do with it.
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If you believe that you get what you pay for maybe Richt does too. I don’t think his salary keeps him from having an “edge” but he knows there is no internal pressure on him. The irony of UGA having the lowest paid coach in the SEC won’t be lost in the land of perception, especially since B-M is proud of it.
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What gets me is the tone of this thread. It’s not like we didn’t give him a raise and extension less than two years ago to make him one of the highest paid coaches in the SEC.
Give Bobo a raise first. His $550k looks low compared to Pruitt’s $850k.
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Two years ago is two years ago. The market has changed since because of all the new money rolling in.
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There appear to be two schools of thought on this thread, market v. merit based pay raises. This may be the case with the many ADs in the SEC; some respond to market changes (Alabama will make sure Saban is the highest paid coach no matter what) and some make merit based decisions (like Kentucky, although that proved premature). Both factors are probably considered by ADs when setting compensation, among other factors like whether the coach is willing to seek higher compensation elsewhere if not given a bump relative to his peers. It’s certainly an interesting issue.
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Ok, but why panic? He has made more than $25M since 2006.
GM will give him a raise soon enough with a contract extension. Besides that, CMR is his own worst enemy. Here is a quote from USA Today article with him just a few weeks ago…
Richt waves off the notion that a coach with the fourth-highest winning percentage among active FBS coaches should be making a good deal more than his conference’s median. “I am making more than I ever dreamed of,” he says, “so I don’t worry about it too much.”
http://goo.gl/hAosB2
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Who’s panicking? I just find it a little strange.
Panicking is what Kentucky’s AD did when he gave Stoops a mid-season raise. 😉
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Many hyperbolous words being tossed around. (Is hyperbolous a word?)
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If it isn’t, it should be. 😉
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The word is “hyperbolic” with emphasis on the “lic”. 🙂
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Mark doesn’t care about the money. He will be here until he retires or GT beats us a couple of times in a row which ever comes first. We will then promote Bobo to HC and see if we can maintain the lowest paid HC in the SEC. All you guys bitching and moaning have missed the fact that B-M DGAS what you think.
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I suspect that your predictions will turn out to be accurate.
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Yep, though I see Richt leaving on his own terms, and then Bobo takes over. And I’m fine with that, as I still think Richt will win a MNC in the near future with this staff.
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#12 on the list. http://www.coacheshotseat.com/WinningestActiveCoachesIA.htm
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Ranked by total career wins, only Saban, Meyer, and Bob Stoops rank higher in winning %.
Some believe a guy with that kind of success is bound to break through.
Others believe a guy with that much success has hit his ceiling.
Both are fair assessments. If Richt were 65 years old, I might be in the second camp, but he’s a professional in his prime years…I’ll default to the first camp for now.
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I agree absolutely. And when the argument is “has not met expectations” what kind of expectations are those and who has them? It is as if there is a portion of the fan base that wants to return to some mythical glory era that only exists in their minds.
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Winning an SEC championship once in a decade, maybe?
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He has won two in 14 years hasn’t he? Doesn’t that put him a little bit ahead of schedule?
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Not when the last one was almost ten years ago. Pretty soon talking about Richt’s SEC titles will rank up there with reminiscing about 1980. Ancient history as far as anyone today is concerned.
Seriously. 2005 was a long damn time ago and it’s high time we started expecting more out of Richt. Enough excuses. Every year its something else.
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Again, I love this “time we started expecting more out of Richt” stuff. It’s easy to slam your fellow commenters for not living up to your high standards, but how do you propose taking your attitude and translating it into results?
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What sort of results? I think deep down everyone wants the same thing but too many of us have invested too many years in defending Richt to bail out. I’m just trying to convince everyone to grab a life jacket.
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You’re very persuasive. 😉
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I’ll wait until the boat actually has a hole in hull, thanks.
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How many decades did we wait after Herschel to win another? Look – I’m not taking the defend Richt route, but the Senator’s post last week was spot-on. There are way too many people in the Georgia fanbase / administration that think Georgia is a better program than it actually has historically been.
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That’s apologist BS. We fired two coaches between Dooley and Richt because they didn’t win championships. Richt was great from 01-05 but he has done nothing but underachieve since then.
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True but not relevant anymore. Way way way more talent in this state than there used to be. I’m not in either Richt camp but Hobnail has a point about the number of NFL players from UGA, and the number of NFL players from the state overall.
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Oy vey, it’s going to be a long off-season.
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It certainly is, Ollie. I mean Billy.
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Yeah. I think I’m going to have to go on hiatus for a while. I’m angrier reading some of the stuff Georgia fans have said after we lost to Tech than I was actually LOSING to Tech.
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What exactly was it that was said that angered you? I’m serious.
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Maybe angered isn’t the best word. I think deeply annoyed is more accurate.
I think I’m annoyed that people feel like UGA as program “deserves” better than Richt. I just don’t think we do. Historically we haven’t been better without him (What is his career winning percentage vs. our other coaches? How long had it been since we won an SEC title before he got here?). We’ve only won 2 national titles, so it’s not like because we haven’t gotten 1 in the past 14 years Mark Richt isn’t hitting some bar that THE PROGRAM has set. We would all like that yes, but historically that’s not something that anyone has done (and would Dooley have even done it without Herschel flipping a coin?). So when people talk about firing Richt because “We’re Georgia” so “we should be able to get whoever we want” to me that doesn’t have any weight because it just isn’t true over the course of history (and I especially don’t think it would be true now given how stingy our AD is). I want it to be, but it isn’t.
And it also annoys me that people like me, who aren’t happy with the faceplants, but are willing to give Richt a little more slack to get stuff figured out get told we’re willing to accept mediocrity. That’s not true either. I’m just hedging my bets that the guy that went to back-to-back SECCG in 2011 and 2012, finished in the Top 5 in 2012, suffered a litany of injuries in 2013, and had a confusing 2014 can get it figured out better, faster, and more sustainably than whoever BM decides it’s going to hire.
Honestly Mayor, I’ve probably said some stuff towards you that I’d take back had I thought more about it at the time. So my apologies to you for being too heated and intolerant at times.
Serious question: Does that answer your question? 🙂
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Preach on, brother. I’ve said in the past here that I grow to hate my own fanbase more and more each day. Annoyed with my fanbase is probably more apt than hate and you just hit the nail on the head for why I’ve gotten to that point myself.
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Every Georgia fan who wants Richt gone should have to read this twice over before opening their mouth.
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Yes. 🙂
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If Richt doesn’t care, I don’t see why I should.
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You going to apply that logic across the board or only when it’s convenient? Asking for a friend.
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Expect an extension/raise some time before the bowl game.
Now, remember people, if you think he should be fired… too freakin’ bad. It doesn’t matter at all. McGarity is behind him, which means all the big money is behind him, and people still buy tickets. The situation hasn’t even come close to bad enough for even one year under Richt for it to get to the point of people not buying tickets. That’s not the world we live in. In some other reality where Richt is actually on the hot seat or at risk of being replaced, then some other strategy might be valid. But everyone who matters is behind Richt, and so is the majority of everyone else. The end.
NOW, here in the real world, where we’re not firing our coach and we’ve got the #1 recruiting class heading into bowl season, you do something before the bowl game, and before any other coach can use this kind of crap against us, to make a statement. Doing nothing or waiting till after the bowl game implies that the administration sees some problem…. which they don’t. So why send that message? Hopefully they have learned from all the other times the media has danced around with the “Richt on the hot seat” thing for months on end before the administration finally says, “oh yeah no he’s not on the hot seat, we just wanted to drag out the negotiations as long as possible to get the most loyal coach in the country down that last $50,000”. They’re happy with him – act like it for once.
In fact, if you’re even half way committed to the future and closing this recruiting class…. never mind, I was going to say something about the practice facility but I forgot for a second there that we’re still here, in the real world.
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I fear that the “you do something before the bowl game” means that a model of the IPF will be funded to show recruits what may exist some day.
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Maybe they’ll announce a IPF “feasibility study”.
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McGarity: Look at the artist rendering of the future IPF!
Recruit: Why are there also flying cars in this picture?
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WHAT IS THIS? AN IPF FOR ANTS!
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HOW CAN YOU EXPECT THE IP’S TO F IF THEY CAN’T EVEN FIT INSIDE OF THE BUILDING!!!
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That’s darn funny – excellent work!
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They will use the money that CMR would have gotten in a pay increase towards building the IPF. It will be named in his honor, “The CMR IPF” and christened in 2018. Get busy Mr. AHD, you got some Developing to do. I have some scathingly brilliant ideas for the complex that will make every recruit in surrounding States come directly to us.
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I think the CMR evaluation and any raise or contract extension, if any, will come after the bowl. What these other teams have done, particularly Kentucky, is stupid.
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Richt is under contract, right? That contract has Terms & Conditions, correct? That contract has specified term dates, yes? Well, there you have it. If brain dead programs want to reward a 6-6 performance then they’re welcome to do so. McGarity is using his head!
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Well you’ve sure wrapped everything up in a nice, tidy bow.
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Richt has made more money than he will spend in this lifetime. I would bet he’s giving half of his salary away each year. I doubt recruits care that the head coach is underpaid by a million dollars. His tenure more than speaks for itself. However, that IPF…
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He does give half his salary away each year…to the IRS. 😉
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Thank goodness Vanderbilt is private.
At least there can be some doubt to UGA being the checkout clerk at the lowest level of the SEC bargain basement.
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They are doing wonders with head injuries these days, HNB’s brain will be back to working soon and he should not be made fun of. He obviously isn’t well.
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I don’t think it’s necessary to bash someone’s opinion. Just because you question the way a program handles certain situations and/ or think a coach does not deserve a raise does not mean that you do not support that program or school to the fullest extent. Sometimes frustrations are justified and again it’s an opinion not fact.
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“I don’t think it’s necessary to bash someone’s opinion.”
You do understand where we are and what we’re doing here right? It’s a message board full of opinions. Of course people are going to argue back and forth.
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Not me! 😉
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