Life on the SEC recruiting trail, a continuing series

You’ll be shocked, shocked to learn that rival programs are using Spurrier’s “Give me two or three more (years)” comment to negatively recruit against South Carolina.

I bet Phil Fulmer truly regrets not being at Tennessee right now.

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50 responses to “Life on the SEC recruiting trail, a continuing series

  1. Silver Britches

    Interesting article.

    One thing that struck me is the hinting at the fact that the talent coming out of South Carolina isn’t what it was 4-6 years ago. There are no Clowneys, Gilmores, or Lattimores coming down the road. The timing of South Carolina’s rise and that crop of talent was not a coincidence. Now that they’re gone? You get a 6-6 team (and yes, I know. A 6-6 team that beat Georgia).

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  2. What did Boom decide to do?

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  3. Bulldog Joe

    “Gimme three years, gimme three years, mister
    and you’ll never see me no more.”

    “For Sure!”

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  4. Derek

    There is a lesson here for that loud and stupid 10% of the fan base that scream Fire Richt!!! I’m guessing that they are too dumb to know what that lesson is.

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    • And what happened when LSU fired Les Miles predecessor, Alabama fired Saban’s predecessor, Florida fired Zook, Auburn fired Chizik’s predecessor (and then fired Chizik, going to ANOTHER title).

      Of the last 16 BCS national titles, only ONE coach had been at their school for 10+ years when they won their title (Bobby Bowden).

      seasons – School/Coach

      7 – Tenn/Fulmer
      24 – FSU/Bowden
      2 – Oklahoma/Stoops
      1 – Miami/Coker
      2 – OSU/Tressel
      4 – LSY/Saban
      4 – USC/Carroll
      8 – Texas/Brown
      2 – Florida/Meyer
      3 – LSU/Miles
      4 – Florida/Meyer
      3 – Alabama/Saban
      2 – Auburn/Chizik
      5 – Alabama/Saban
      6 – Alabama/Saban
      4 – FSU/Fisher

      Average: 5 years

      Average of all titles not counting Bowden: 3.8

      Average 1st national title: 3 years

      Looks like 15 out of 16 times, the national champ got there by firing someone and going in a new direction.

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      • And I’m not saying fire Richt. I actually think that would be a bad move. The current administrative keystone cops at Bowel Movement would most likely screw it up.

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      • LSU fired Les Miles predecessor

        Instead of using “fired”, I should just stick with “replaced”, since in some cases the school had to replace someone who left (like Saban -> Miles).

        Anyway, the point stands. 15 of 16 national titles were won by relatively new coaches. It appears that a coach is either going to get things done in a few years, or not at all.

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        • My point is simply that recruits want to know that their coaches will be there during their eligibility. The loud minority screaming for a change that won’t happen create an atmosphere in which people begin to believe change will occur, or which gives them a plausible reason to suggest it will.. We all know CMR ain’t getting fired. It’s not going to happen. Bitching and bitching only aggravates the issue of which the whiners complain. If you wanna get the big nice trophy, get ball players to athens and stop contributing to an atmosphere that makes the goal harder. Btw: what are your numbers on new coaches that haven’t won a bcs championship? I’d bet that’s a long friggin list.

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          • Debby Balcer

            +1

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          • Nice try at revisionism.

            There is a lesson here for that loud and stupid 10% of the fan base that scream Fire Richt!!!

            Since only 1 coach in the last 16 years won a title after 9+ years at a school, why exactly are those people “loud and stupid.”

            I can understand that you disagree with them. I also disagree with them.

            But in light of facts, they aren’t “loud and stupid.” They have a pretty strong argument.

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            • Macallanlover

              Actually, the vast majority here who attack CMR and UGA scream and rant like fools with no perspective at every single play that doesn’t have the result they wish for, are indeed loud and stupid. Doesn’t mean they don’t have a right to a want a new coach but I cannot imagine anyone listening to this group without laughing in their face. It is not a surprise they have no say with decision makers, nor able to influence anyone outside their little band of guerillas. I would like Richt to leave also, to give himself at a chance at a school that would appreciate him. The burden of players and staff with this fan base is more than any of them should have to bear. This isn’t a schools with Penn State, Michigan, Texas, Kentucky, Florida like problems but you wouldn’t know it from listening to the 20% of loud and stupid ones we have.

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              • We are historically a top 10 program but we haven’t won a national title in 34 years. That tends to make things pretty tough.

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              • What’s his record against ranked teams the last 7 years? Is it unreasonable to expect to win an SEC title every ten years? UF and UT and SC this year were collectively the worst in 30 years and yet you wet the bed so bad against UF (inexplicable) you let Missouri (a team you beat 34-0 on their own field) win the East for the 2nd straight year. Scream and rant? I am not even saying he should be fired but come on, the guy should be held accountable and UGA should expect more.

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        • You know for somebody that purports (imho) not to be on the FIre Richt bandwagon …you have a funny way of getting your point across.

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      • DugLite

        And if a couple of breaks would have happened in 2002, 2005, 2007 & 2012 like almost every MNC winner got in that list then Richt has at least 2 crystal trophies. Patience is a virtue. I truly believe that when we hit it will be a glorious 5+ year run as long as Butts-Mehre doesn’t muck up the coaching stability by trying to save money.

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        • dudemankind

          I heard a coach once say that the lucky breaks always go to the team that prepares the best. Made sense to me.

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          • Its a great way to rationalize luck. Kinda like “they were lucky because they prepared better than the unlucky team”. Sometimes true, but not always.

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            • dudemankind

              Not to be a smarta$$, but my coach’s comment had an underlying meaning which was that there is no such thing as luck. It can not be quantified. It does not exist.

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              • Mayor

                One time Gary Player holed a bunker shot in a tournament. When told by a spectator that he was lucky, Player stated: “The more I practice the luckier I get.” Things happen for a reason. All the bad luck talk happens when you lose. When you win all your games there isn’t any bad luck talk.

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              • I would respectively disagree with your coach. Sometimes stuff happens. Sometimes good. Sometimes bad. And not always on the deserving.

                If you are with the “everything happens for a reason crowd” then I totally respect that. I don’t think you are being a smartass.

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        • And if a couple of breaks went against us, we have less 10 win seasons.

          Ultimately all that matters is what ACTUALLY happened, not what might have happened – especially when evaluating a massive 14 year sample size.

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        • Patience is a virtue

          How come the actual facts don’t back that up?

          Average years after hiring that a coach wins their first title:

          3 years

          Facts are facts, and we’re looking at a huge 16 year sample size.

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      • watcher16

        Ok so now break this down to include all programs who fired their coach and how long it took those schools to get a national title. You can’t pick and choose your sample size.

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        • dudemankind

          Yeah, but his point was of the last 16 teams (BCS era) who have won the national title, how long had their coach been in place? Not long. Your point is of out of ALL teams, how long did it take them to win a national title after firing/hiring a new coach? What does that explain? Maybe you should crunch those numbers and get back to us.

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          • Exactly, dudemankind.

            It doesn’t really matter what programs have done that failed to produce a title. You look at what had to be done in order to actually win one.

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      • Muckbeast, it sounds like you’re saying a school should replace/fire its coach every 5 years if it wants to win a national championship. Using your data, UGA should have asked Richt to leave after 2005 when he would have been:
        2001 – 8-4
        2002 – 13-1 SEC and Sugar Bowl champions
        2003 – 11-3 SEC East champions
        2004 – 10-2
        2005 – 10-3 SEC champions
        He didn’t win a national championship, so kick him to the curb and find someone else.

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        • Dawgfan Will

          I think this exactly what several commenters here think should happen.

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        • dudemankind

          It amazes me how reading comprehension varies. Damn. The point was not to fire someone in 5 years if no title was achieved. The point the guy made was that you SHOULD NOT BE SCARED TO FIRE SOMEONE since recent champions have shown that coaching changeover is not an issue to win a title. Maybe a crayon diagram would work better.

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          • Uglydawg

            …….and the reason for bringing all of this bullshit up is?….muck claims he doesn’t want to replace Richt…..you guys are unreal.

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          • No, I don’t need a crayon diagram. All I was commenting on was the data. If you didn’t win a national championship in a 5-year period, then it’s time to try someone else.

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          • Dawgfan Will

            First of all, many of us here aren’t scared to fire Richt because we might get a worse coach. We don’t want to fire him because we think his best years are still to come. Others disagree. Fine. Let’s move on.

            Second, the problem with basing our actions on those of schools in our conference who have won the 2nd or 3rd year championship is that, LSU excluded, those schools were firing coaches that ranged from downright shitty to dead man walking. None of those schools, Bama included, would have dumped Richt in the circumstances we’re in. There was nowhere to go but up for them with a new hire.

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            • those schools were firing coaches that ranged from downright shitty to dead man walking.

              Auburn fired their coach 2 years after he won a national title, and only a single losing season.

              Let’s look at Chizik’s and Richt’s losing seasons, and the 2 years leading up to it:

              Chizik:
              2010: 14-0 – SEC and National champions
              2011: 8-5
              2012: 3-9

              Richt:
              2008: 10-3 (no titles of any kind)
              2009: 8-5
              2010: 6-7

              Politely, I must state that your argument is invalid. 🙂

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              • Just for another data point, look at Tommy Tuberville who also got fired right after a single losing season:

                2004: 13-0 SEC champ (arguable national champ)
                2005: 9-3
                2006: 11-2
                2007: 9-4
                2008: 5-7

                Or how about this, which is also comparable to Richt’s 2008-2010 run:

                Gerry DiNardo – LSU

                1996: 10-2 (T-1st SEC West)
                1997: 9-3 (T-1st SEC West)
                1998: 4-7
                1999: fired during the season while 2-8

                Do you know who they hired after firing DiNardo?

                Nick Saban! And they won a national title a few years later.

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              • Dawgfan Will

                Politely, I must state that the last line of my argument is still completely valid. We have more to lose by getting rid of Richt than any of the programs you point to had at the time they fired their coaches.

                That still is not the reason I wouldn’t fire him, but it’s true nonetheless.

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                • I’m not concerned with your point.

                  I’m addressing the point you and many others have made that firing Richt would guarantee we would “wander in the woods” and would definitely be worse. The facts simply don’t bear that out.

                  I also take issue with the belief that people calling for Richt and crew’s replacement are “foolish” or “absolutely stupid” or anything of that nature.

                  A very good, well reasoned argument can be made that Richt should have been fired long ago. That is something that everyone should accept, even if you don’t support his firing.

                  I don’t support his firing. I think McCheapass would do far worse with any potential replacements. But I can at least intellectually acknowledge the merits of the other side’s argument.

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          • The point the guy made was that you SHOULD NOT BE SCARED TO FIRE SOMEONE since recent champions have shown that coaching changeover is not an issue to win a title.

            Exactly.

            There is no reason to be irrationally afraid that making a change is automatically and definitely going to doom your program.

            The evidence actually shows that your best shot at winning a title is with a relatively new regime.

            The sucky thing for us at UGA is we have idiots in charge and so the likelihood of them replacing Richt with something better is very small.

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        • Muckbeast, it sounds like you’re saying a school should replace/fire its coach every 5 years if it wants to win a national championship.

          Actually, I’m not saying that.

          Using your data, UGA should have asked Richt to leave after 2005 when he would have been:

          Again, I’m not saying we should have done that. But it can’t be ignored that in addition to no national titles, he hasn’t even won an SEC title since then.

          There is a belief that at any program coaches have a lifespan. After X amount of years, people stop buying in, the lessons become cliched and hackneyed, and you need new blood.

          For us, with our useless, cheap, stingy, incompetent morons at Bowel Movement, I definitely am not pushing for change. I have absolutely zero faith they could do better.

          But the general idea of replacing a system that hasn’t delivered a national title in 14 years, and hasn’t even delivered an SEC title in almost 10 years, has some merit.

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  5. Mayor

    Derek brought it up by saying that the 10% of the fanbase that wants to fire Richt is “stupid.” I’m not for firing CMR, although I’d like him to retire with dignity. The point is the Richt apologists are the people who keep talking about it. I agree it is probably bad for recruiting and won’t accomplish anything. Why don’t both sides just give it a rest?

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  6. AusDawg85

    With Spurrier gone in 3 years we can safely bring back Ray Goff.

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