I’d say Ed Aschoff has a pretty accurate depiction of Georgia’s fan base in the aftermath of the Richt contract extension.
For one of the SEC’s most accomplished coaches in the regular season, Wednesday’s announcement of a contract extension and a raise should have been considered a no-brainer. But when you haven’t won the SEC championship at a school like Georgia since 2005, you can’t blame fans for their uneasiness toward their head coach. Still, for all the negativity that Mark Richt has had to deal with from Georgia fans — some of it is justified — he’s had a heck of a coaching career with the Bulldogs. His .739 winning percentage (136-48 record) ranks fourth among active FBS coaches who have coached at least 100 games in FBS conferences, and he’s had nine seasons with 10 or more wins at Georgia in his 14 years in Athens. But with an extension going through 2019 and Richt now making $4 million a year, the time to win an SEC title is now. The Bulldogs are equipped with the talent to make a strong run through the SEC, and you know those same fans unhappy with the lack of championship swag in Georgia’s trophy cases won’t be pleased with anything less than a title run or two in 2015.
I know there’s a risk of reading too much into finishing top-ten with a nice bowl win, but really, there is plenty for Richt to work with in the coming season. We may not have expected it in the last preseason, but the 2014 edition of Georgia was good enough to make a run through Atlanta. It just broke down inexplicably at the worst times.
There’s an offense which will have to break in a new quarterback and offensive coordinator, but still has a strong enough foundation to build upon. There’s a defense that improved steadily throughout the year, gets the usual bounce from second-year stability under the same staff and is likely to get a major talent infusion in key areas with the incoming class (assuming things hold up, of course).
Richt always says the goal for his teams is to get to Atlanta. It’s not unrealistic this season. If he expects it, why shouldn’t we?
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The hype Georgia is getting juxtaposed with its shaky QB situation boggles my mind. If this stuff came out after spring practice I’d be more inclined to buy in to making a run next year, but Ramsey and Park are essentially unknown quantities at the most important position on the field. That’s scary.
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The last 2 SEC champs started out their seasons with big questions at QB. This year’s national champ won it with a guy who had been the 3d string QB. We’ll have the softest early season start we’ve had in some time, which will be a good opportunity for the new QB(s) to get some game time experience. And thanks to the low junior attrition, there may be sufficient experience everywhere else to offset the greenish QB situation.
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Boom. I’d also like to throw in that the last FOUR SEC champions won the conference with an offensive coordinator in his first year with the program. No excuses for not winning the SEC in 2015.
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Thank you. Every year, EVERY team can pick and choose reasons why they might not win a championship, but based on returning talent and coaching turnover, we’re in a lot better situation than most of our conference rivals. Frustrating when it seems like a part of the fanbase is already laying the excuse-groundwork for another disappointing season. Is it a natural, personal cynicism after previous high expectations? Is it acceptance of our not-quite-good-enough status in the league? Or is it a preemptive, defensive, CYA mentality that’s already trying to “justify” another third-tier bowl game next December?
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Well, one of the reasons is nearly everyone has QB issues. South Carolina doesn’t have one. Mizzou has Mauk, which is a plus for us. Florida has no answer for what McElwain wants to do. Auburn has a new qb who can throw, but can’t run like Marshall, so will those guys be open. Bama doesn’t have a qb. It’s an interesting year…but we have Nick Chubb.
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Not saying you’ll be wrong, but pump the brakes a little on the doom and gloom. Jacob Coker was supposed to be starting in Tuscaloosa this past year and nobody outside of Auburn and Athens knew who Nick Marshall was prior to the 2013 season. It’s not unheard of for unknown commodities to have big time seasons.
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“…for all the negativity that Mark Richt has had to deal with from Georgia fans…”
That statement is total bullshit! CMR has received phenomenal support and patience from UGA fans. The UGA job is about as good as it gets in cfb. I know it’s not CMR complaining about negativity, its the writer, but it really takes chutzpah for anyone to bitch about being head coach for the Georgia Bulldogs.
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Have you been under a rock for the last 10 years?
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Bluto’s poll showed that a ridiculously high proportion of the fanbase supports him. Or at least a high proportion of the fan base that visits this blog.
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A reporter asked him if he was going to retire in the post game presser for the bowl game. Because of rumors started and spread by internet UGA fans.
Or just people like you two that spend a portion of each day banging on the guy on the internet.
Myopic is one thing, not being self aware is another.
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I don’t bang on the guy, buddy. I’ve said before that while I teeter back and forth on the line of wanting him gone, I also think he’d be very hard to get someone who is a definite upgrade. Acknowledging that he has shortcomings isn’t the same as “banging on him” (whatever that even means)
Regardless, ad-hominems aside, a reporter also asked Tebow if he was saving himself for marriage. Does that mean that a majority of Florida fans cared about Tebow’s sex-life? Bluto even posted that he thought it was the administration’s fault for not publicly backing Richt enough.
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I know you like to toss around the ad-hominem line, but it doesnt seem to apply.
Also this isnt about a majority of fans being negative on CMR, but rather that some are and that he has had to deal with it.
The suggestion that you are negative on CMR is not an attack on your character, it is an attack on your argument that people arent negative on CMR. My argument is that you are negative on CMR and that is my attack on your argument.
You might think that you teeter back and forth (which would support my arugement as well), but most of the time you seem to clearly be in the “I am just going to post the same negative thing over and over and over again” side of the teeter.
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What do my personal feelings have to do with UGA fans as a whole? Again, you should look at results of the poll Bluto posted awhile back. Phenomenal support is pretty accurate.
It’s too bad that my posts get under your skin. They are just opinions based on fact and logic. Feel free to provide rebuttals every now and then instead of just getting upset that my views are contrary to yours.
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Whether a vast majority supports him or not is immaterial to what the writer said. The fact is that we have, through social media, an extremely vocal and loud minority that bashes Richt at every opportunity: Facebook, Twitter, AJC message boards, other blogs, what have you. And the media is always going to focus on the negative because it gets more clicks.
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Okay Einstein, give me some examples of fanbase negativity. There’s the occasional stupid question from media, but that’s not “fans”. Otherwise I’m hardpressed to think of an example. Do UGA fans boo CMR when he speaks in public, at pressers, or at games? Is game attendance suffering? How are the fans negative in regard to CMR? I strongly doubt he reads comments on blogs, good or bad, or cares about blog comments anymore than I do.
So whaddya got Brandon? I’m interested in evidence of fan negativity toward CMR.
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If you don’t think there’s a portion of the fan base that’s been steadily critical of the staff, you must not sit near some of the same people I do at games. 😉
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It only seems relevant if said portion is greater than the portion that other fan bases have to deal with.
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Ok…10 teams in the top 10 last year…name one fan base from that group that openly questioned whether it was time to move on from their current HC?
You’d be hard pressed to find a team in the top 25 that complained like the UGA fans did this year. It’s amazing how much more people value ‘potential’ in someone without a long track record compared to someone with a short track record. I have friends that tell me Hugh Freeze would have won a national championship at Georgia if they had fired Richt and hired him…same ones that told me Mullen should have been hired in 2010 and who cited Richt’s record against Top 25 opponents. Nevermind that in arguably the greatest season of Mullen’s career, Miss State went 1-3 against teams that finished in the Top 25 (while Richt went 4-1 in the same season).
Richt opens himself up to it because of the ‘so close but so far’ seasons….there is a legitimate criticism that a great coach would have built UGA’s program to the point where you would win a natty championship and/or not have 10 year droughts b/w SEC Championships…but I’m a little tired of Richt’s longevity being a pass for people to say things with no basis in reality. (like…we are like any fan base with a coach that has two top 10 finishes in the past 3 seasons–FALSE…or X, who has a 5 year coaching resume and has never won anything, could have done it at UGA already)
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A Bama fan called into the finebaum show and stated he thought it was time for Saban to move on.
There. I named one 😉
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Touche’
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Not to be argumentative, but I still don’t see where ‘fan negativity’ fits in. By any measure CMR has huge support – money, facilities, attendance, etc. It’s just another nonsensical excuse in the long line of ‘dog ate my homework’ excuses underachievers use.
But as I said initially, its Aschoff saying there’s fan negativity, not CMR. I strongly doubt CMR would agree with Aschoff’s statement.
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As somebody who’s run this blog since ’06, I can assure you there’s been plenty of negativity. Is it close to a majority of the fan base? Nope, but it has a consistent presence.
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And again…I think it’s relative. UGA has finished in the top 10 in 2 of the last 3 seasons. There are 9 programs in America that can make that claim. Oregon, MSU, Bama, Oregon, FSU, UGA, Stanford, Ohio State, and Clemson….only one of those schools had fans calling for their HC’s job. There are only 4 programs that were in the top 10 in 2012 and also finished there in 2014…Bama, Oregon, FSU and UGA.
Pointing out the fan negativity is newsworthy b/c it is loud enough to hear at a national level and in-congruent with Georgia’s program performance over the last 3 seasons.
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I’m not arguing its rationality, just its existence. 😉
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I see more fans angry about the Admin than Mark Richt. How can you win a championship, without winning the recruiting wars, without a top facility and top paid highly respected staff? Richt’s been a few plays away, but the support from the Admin has been the criticism, not any more, I feel like that will do it to bring a championship to Athens in the next few years.
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It’s not the size of the negative portion. It’s their volume.
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As we’ve AVERAGED 2 division losses a year since 2005, it’s clear that CMR needs to find a way to minimize gack games in the division. Turning around the Auburn series is nice, but given the choice between sitting out the SECCG and losing more SECW games, I’d stomach the latter. Certainly, it would be nice to have a win-win in that regard, but baby steps ….
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We’ve also played in 2 of the last 4 SECCGs. We were on our way to another one in 2013 when the injuries happened in Knoxville. We made one big mistake in the USCe game with poor games by the defense in our two conference losses. With a little luck, we could have won the East the last 4 years in a row. It’s VERY hard to go undefeated in this league without some luck on your side. If you lose twice in the league, it’s very difficult to end up in the SECCG.
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Three games will be key…Bama (will we be intimidated by them?) SCAR (Can we avoid bone-headed plays and out-plan Spurrier?) and UF (always).
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Al, Auburn on the Plains won’t be a walk in the park
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Excuse me–Mizzou? Who won the SEC East the last 2 years in a row?
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Seems like there is a lot of chatter over the airwaves about expectations due to that salary bump. Just for a little perspective:
SEC Champs
Georgia 2005
Florida ’06,’08
LSU ’07,’11
Alabama ’09,’12,’14 (before the ’09 win you have to go all the way back to 1999)
Auburn ’10,’13
Not close or Close but no cigar:
Arkansas
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Missouri
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt
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let’s hope all thus fresh blood brings the changes we desire.
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We’re behind the “at” on grammar street, apparently. 😉
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Doh! Of course, it’s Grammar Street.
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This talk reminds me of the Matt Stafford ,Knowsho Moreno year ..picked no. 1 by SI…. all the talent in the world but everyone just ignored the fact that we had a new and untested offensive line. The writers could ignore that deficiency but the other teams didn’t. That is the same thing that in all likelihood will happen next year. A totally new and inexperienced QB will restrict our offence’s options and all this happy talk melts away when an inexperienced QB throws 4 interceptions against uSC, Satan or da Gayturds….. take our pick. Next year will be no better than this one,just for different reasons. Contemplate Stafford’s and Murray’s first years as starters… this is not knocks on them as QB’s because they we’re both awesome, but as first year starters they both went brain dead on several occasions. They both cut down on mistakes over their careers but first year starters do not flourish in our offense.
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But I thought Richt was the best QB developer of all time?
As SlawDawg stated above, “The last 2 SEC champs started out their seasons with big questions at QB. This year’s national champ won it with a guy who had been the 3d string QB.”
What’s the issue? Should we not have confidence in Richt to perform alongside his peers?
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LOL…11 minutes between this and “I don’t bang on the guy…”
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I think we have a legit shot of winning the SEC with a first year QB next year, just like we had a legitimate shot this year.
He’s the one who clearly thinks Richt isn’t up for it. I’m just pointing it out.
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Bottom line is you either believe Richt is just as good as other coaches or you don’t. It isn’t logical to grant concessions to Richt that you wouldn’t grant to other coaches.
If you believe a new QB is a legitimate excuse for not winning the SEC, despite the fact that the last two SEC champions had new QBs (who didn’t even have the benefit of an extra year in the system that Ramsey will have), then you don’t believe in Richt. Period. End of discussion.
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Yeah Ausdawg, maybe you should sit out for awhile.
Anybody else wanna get silenced with facts and stone cold logic? If you think a new QB is an adequate excuse then YOU don’t believe in CMR. That’s the bottom line weenies.
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You’re starting to annoy me with that pee pee dog logic. Lets move on and you take a water break. K?
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Add another to the list that can’t debate with facts or logic 😉
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The ’06 team wasn’t nearly as loaded as the ’15 team will be. And Staff was a true freshman.
As for 2001, I’m not sure how much blame you can lay at Greene’s feet for the entire team’s transition to a completely new coaching staff.
And neither the ’01 or ’06 team relied as heavily on the running game as this year’s team is likely to do.
That’s not to say there won’t be rough spots. It’s just that I’m not sure how relevant those comparisons are.
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Well said, Senator. I would also say the defense in ’15 is likely to be miles better than Grantham’s first defense in ’10 was when Bobo was trying to keep the training wheels on for Murray early in the season with AJ on the bench.
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I believe he’s referring to the 2008 team.
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Who was the first-year starter at quarterback in 2008?
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then I guess we might as well give up now and not even bother watching the games next season. also, i’m pretty sure shock was a first year starter and he flourished quite a bit in 2005. we won’t be ranked preseason #1 like in ’08 so the bullseye on our back won’t be as big except for the SC game and we actually have a DC this year which is very different from ’08.
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First when I’m addressing flaws and talking about too much hype I was referring to the 2008 not the 2006 team. To say that this 2015 has more talent than that 2008 team is just ignoring NFL roosters….that team was staked except for an experienced offensive line.. All I’m saying is the except for an experienced QB part is a pretty damned big EXCEPT. Flaws will be exploited by defensive coordinators that get paid millions of dollars to find a teams weakness. If I’m Kirby Smart or Will Muschamp I stack the box to stop the run and make a quarterback with no previous game experience beat me. Stack the box roll a defensive end out into zone coverage and see if a QB who has little or no full speed game experience can rapidly get on the same page as the slot receiver to adjust their route.. I just saying it is going to be a problem, Also comparing DJ Shockley’s situation to whoever we plug in next year is just BS. DJ got serious reps in real game day situations throughout his career. He was ready I just don’t think next years QB can be completly ready regardless of talent.
And I’m not giving up. I kept my season tickets during the Goff years(the real test of a true fan IHO) and I’ll bark as loud as ever this coming year but an inexperienced QB in Richt’s pro-style offense is just more cause for concern than in a read option offense where it looks like a QB has fewer reads and adjustments. Believe me I hope am wrong but I wasn’t wrong when I called BS when SI put us on their cover in 08 and I don’t think I’m wrong now. A flaw is a flaw and it will be exploited.
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Seriously, how is that substantially different from 2014? You know, the year Georgia set a scoring record? 😉
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Hudson had been in the system for four years…he was a 5th year senior it was and will be different.
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What’s that got to do with “a QB who has little or no full speed game experience”?
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need to work on punctuation,but you know what I meant. Period bw “senior” and “it”
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Do you imply that the starter next year will be as proficient as Hudson was …because I think 4 years sitting behind Murray counts for a lot ….next year’s starter will not be as experienced with the reads and adjustments as Hudson became over the years . Hudson was DJ Shockley not the first year of Murray or Stafford for comparison purposes.
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So it’s not a matter of live game action, then?
Mason didn’t play nearly as much as Shockley. Hell, he sat out one year on a redshirt.
To answer your question, I’m not implying anything. I just think your “all first-year starters are the same” argument is too facile. For one thing, whoever starts this season is going to have a different skill set from Mason and that’s going to mean a change in emphasis about what Georgia does in the passing game.
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I am not ignoring complexities ( see I did look up facile to make sure you weren’t gettin all personal on my ass) .I believe and clearly its just an opinion that those very same complexities of our offense are what is going to cause this team’s shortcomings Greene ,Stafford and Murray all had problems their freshmen(1st) years because it takes both talent and time(meaning reps ) to run this offense . DJ and Hudson got their time as second stringers.We do not appear to have that luxury this year. None of what I’m saying means we can’t go to the Dome . I just think it takes a few breaks that we haven’t gotten in recent memory.
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I would never get personal on your ass. 😉
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Ewwwwww…..
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“because it takes both talent and time(meaning reps ) to run this offense”
I disagree to an extent. Richt/Bobo add complexities as the QB gets more comfortable, but ALL coaches do that. Heck, even Malzahn kept adding wrinkles that NM couldn’t have handled as a fresh QB, and that offense is, IMO, the gold standard for simplicity. Our offense, like any other, can and SHOULD be adjusted to operate within the parameters of a talented yet inexperienced QB.
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Senator – I know you would never get personal on RIP’s ass but how about medieval?
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We should also have a defense that can cover for the offense on occasion which we haven’t had in forever.
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Or factor in the crappy defenses those years.
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as long as he don’t go all pterodactyl on me we’ll be fine. Now get back to earnin the taxpayers money fool !
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Hey, well you know what.
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o yea, in a few weeks they’ll be paying u to do nuffin,, congrats…almost.
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Even though all the pieces seem to be falling into place with the coaching staff, the returning players, the incoming recruits, and the B-M support in voice and $, there is still an open question in my mind. How will we avoid the sort of season-killing fiasco that has dogged our program in past seasons and seems to show up at the worst possible moments? Is there any one thing, or any combination of things, that has happened or might yet happen that will provide a cure for this? It has to have a cause, but I’m not sure what it is, which makes identifying a solution difficult.
Any ideas?
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You nailed it. That’s the million dollar question and, of course, no one can confidently claim that it’s been fixed until we stop doing it (inexplicably fail to show-up or mentally prepare for a rivalry game, give away a game that is in the bag, etc) each year. To me, at this early juncture, that’s the biggest reason (rather than QB, ILB uncertainty) that fans and commenters alike should be skeptical of championship talk.
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Yep, that to me is the key question. I’ll submit that this past season we most definitely showed up big in many of the games we would previously gagged, such as Clemson, Missouri, Arkansas and Auburn. Inexplicably, we spit the bit at UF and Tech. USC was a tight game that could’ve gone either way. So we were bipolar. We cut out many of the gags but not all. It’s a learning process and I think we are getting there. I think next season could be ours.
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Sure.
1-Hold SC to 34 points and we win that game, we will have a better defense in year 2 in Pruitt’s scheme, with Pruitt’s hand selected talent, so that fixes that.
2-Improve redzone td % vs Gtech, got to score more than 2 of 6 td’s in the red zone, Schott will hover around 70-80% with his NFL background. Also like playing G Southern week prior to prepare for the GT option.
3- Stop the run vs UF, new recruits should fit Pruitt’s scheme and provide more depth, along with year 2 in his scheme. pruitt has recruited the No 1 recruit in the country for his dline, along with the best d ends class in the country this dline, with Rocker loaded up with talent and great technique, will be a wall to run on.
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I don’t know of any steadfast cures, but I’ll say this: the Bama game Oct.3 is the litmus test. Do the ’15 Dawgs stand up for what they want or do they flub away a game of national intrigue?
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I don’t think the UGA projections for a successful season are mind boggling at all, but the untested QB position and loss of both ILBs are certainly areas of caution. The strength areas that return justify optimism as they certainly can help offset those losses, and the relative strength of UGA versus other SEC teams with what they must replace, is reason for optimism at this stage of the year. Dawg fans should feel great about the talent and staff we should have in place this fall but that is seven months away, lots can happen.
It is understandable that we would be the favorite in the East going into spring but how could anyone say “no excuses for not winning the SEC in 2015”. It is that exact over hype that makes people feel we always underachieve. We are well positioned for a run at a title but it is January and there are 13 other SEC programs, at least half of them feel 2015 is their year. UGA will likely be the top rated team in the East by pollsters, and the 3rd or 4th rated team in the SEC as both Alabama and Auburn will start the year rated above us and both are on our schedule.
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“but how could anyone say “no excuses for not winning the SEC in 2015″”
I’m pretty sure you’re referring to me. Why don’t you just admit that you were a douche for asking me to “buzz off” a long time ago and start commenting on my posts so we can debate like adults instead of this passive-aggressive nonsense.
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Why would 5 loss Auburn be highly ranked next season, much less ranked above UGA? We’ve beat their pants off three of the last four years. Fark Auburn.
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Mac prefers his own facts.
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UGA will be ranked as the No 1 sec team in the preseason polls. Why? 5 reasons: Nick Chubb, improved defense, more experienced staff, better s & c, monster recruiting year. Only ? is Qb and I have a feeling Schott will go with one of the mobile Qb’s Park or Bauta, so I don’t even think that will be a factor. Gonna be a special season folks.
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Mac-L, I think the ‘no excuses’ commit is made more about the subjects of ‘new QB’, new OC, replacing LBs, etc., because so many other schools face the same issues and will be again in 2015. I would agree that we shouldn’t let any of these things be ‘excuses’, while also acknowledging that we play in the toughest conference and could drop any one of the 3 or 4 games. All teams sooner or later bring the ‘B’ game. You never know what a bunch of late-teens/early 20s young men are going to have on their minds at game time…no matter how good the coach’s speech. It will depend on the opponent at the time of the let-down. Last year against UF, the gators came out determined to prove something while our Dawgs had had a couple of weeks of hearing how good they were and how bad the UF offense was. And then sometimes, stuff is just gonna happen. Lack of execution at the wrong time can change the outcome of a game and there is nothing a fan or coach and do about it. Many like to look to Saban as the coach-poster-child but even his teams occasionally play less than desired. Still, no excuses. We have consistently recruited well and are as good (or should be) as any team in the SEC. That being said, I’m pumped about our coaching staff and the possibilities in 2015.
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Good post, and I agree with your observations. As I stated, we have some very strong areas that should lessen the impact of not being experienced at QB and ILB positions. Few teams ever have it all so we aren’t unique in this, although many would argue that having one of your question areas at QB is very significant. I don’t minimize the validity of that because of the load the QB carries but I am confident that having an experienced OL and deeply talented RB corps should help even an average QB perform pretty well. When you add CMR and CBS’ coaching pedigrees to the mix you can see why I have said ILB is my biggest concern going into 2015.
The only place I vary much from your comment is about the FU game. They certainly came to play but I don’t think we were any less ready. The news of Gurley may have caused some drop off but we dominated the 1st Qtr on both sides of the ball. The “missed” FG, the long run when the ref blocked our tackler, the loss of Andrews for the middle part of the game, and the fake FG all seemed to play a role in shifting momentum. It gave them a extra pep and seemed to take some of the air out of our guys. It is not unusual for momentum shifts during a game to cause games to switch, I was just surprised how long it took for us to recover and rally. It seemed we became disjointed on offense, and never made the proper defensive adjustments. Definitely a game we should not have lost, certainly by more than two TDs.
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It’s not a good comparison to say for example Ohio St did well for inexperienced Qb’s. They run the spread offense, much more suitable to simplicity, easier to understand, it’s basically a run option offense with a little pass thrown in. Mark Richt runs a complex Pro style offense, so far, no pure drop back QB has had any luck mastering the Richt offense in their first full year as a Qb as far as actually winning the conference goes. DJ wasn’t a pure drop back passer. The rest did ok, but no championships. You have to manufacture run yards with an inexperienced Qb, a Qb that is mobile, helps that run game, and opens lanes in the pass game because they have to respect his legs. All that to say, if Richt or Schott goes with Park or Bauta, I think we can make a run, if Ramsey ends up starting, I don’t see it happening this year.
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I have us winning the conference with Bauta or Park, and winning 8 games with Ramsey, this is based on how first year Qb’s do under Mark Richt depending on mobility vs pure drop back passer. Why do I think we can win? Did it with DJ in 2005, and others have fared well with mobile Qb’s in their first full seasons at the helm.
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Five posts out of the starting gate with three pimping Bauta.
Methinks I smell troll.
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Well, I’ll agree with him about Bauta. Haven’t seen Park. However, I trust Richt to pick the right guy at QB.
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Sorry Senator, I’ll get off my soapbox about mobile Qb’s. But my point is we can win, we have solid options at Qb and I feel excited about the year, especially if a mobile Qb wins the job. If not, I don’t expect much this year. Why do you think first year Qb’s struggle at winning the conference in the Richt system with exception of mobile Qb DJ? And do you think we’re doomed because we have inexperience at Qb–I don’t if we handle it well? Were you blown away by Ramsey in 2014, I wasn’t?
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You’ll get off your soapbox, but keep asking about it, eh? LOL.
I’ll play for a little while – Bauta has shown me less than Ramsey and it’s a stretch to call Park mobile in the sense that he’ll be asked to do much set running. He’s much like Murray, in other words.
The rest of your premise has already gotten a couple of posters banned, so you may want to think about discussing something else, as that’s been beaten to death here.
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Do you think those saying the big question is Qb are warranted? How far do you feel we can get if Ramsey wins the job and why? Or do you think we can win it all in 2015? I know it’s early, but I’d like to get your take. I do think we can win it all in 2015, maybe I’m not realistic 🙂
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Don’t get so full of yourself, my comment was made after reading all the comments posted at that time, and it referenced more than just the phrase made in yours so I posted it as a general reply. It was not to get engaged in one of your long running debates that seem to happen most days. We all have our moments but you seem to be much better qualified to be the “douche ” in a comparison of us two. I will admit it is the first time I have ever been referred to as “passive aggressive”, I am currently wintering on the Gulf Coast in a pretty safe area but still brought two weapons with me.
I stand by my position about us being a legit contender but far from a slam-dunk favorite where it would be inexcusable for us to achieve less than an SEC title in 2015.
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Sorry, that should have been a “comment specific” reply to 165.
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If the majority of the UGA fan base and the B-M crowd want to give Richt an extension as well as a raise, that’s fine by me. To those of us who don’t expect a whole lot from Richt, no matter who makes up his staff, we are not disappointed nor surprised when the season doesn’t amount to anything of any consequence, even with the magic “10” wins. The Florida debacle, the SC game and the Tech game only reinforced my conviction that nothing will change as long as Richt is the head coach. I have just about said to hell with it anyway. At least I can say that I was in the Superdome when UGA, by the grace of Herschel Walker, won a National Championship. That’s more than most fans can say now or will be able to say for the foreseeable future.
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Agree, HW will not be playing…
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Isn’t breaking down inexplicably at the worst times just what we do? It’s happened over and over again. There’s always been a piece or two missing. Occasionally more (e.g., 2010).
At what point does that trend go from something bad that happens to becoming our identity?
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Yes, it is, but people get butthurt when you mention it.
Remember, Bama was favored against Ohio State and look what happened so it’s totally like kind of sort of the same thing
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Oh boy how some on here are already making excuses for next year! It is like a broken record. Look, Urban Meyer suffered a nervous breakdown in 2009, went into broadcasting for a year, then took over a NCAA sanctioned 6-7 Ohio State team in 2012 and now three short years later whipped Alabama and Oregon’s butts with a 3rd string QB from a supposedly weak conference. My point is that OSU fans are talking about “why” they are going to win it next year, not “why not.” Richt has us continually debating the “why nots.” Every year it is a different story. Strength and conditioning, players didn’t buy into the system, assistant coach or coordinator needs to go, recruiting coordinator needs to go, administrators hold us back, too strict of a drug policy, blah, blah, blah. Richt is great, just not elite, IMHO. Looks like we have four more years to debate the “why nots.” Either way, I am a fan and will continue to hope he gets it done.
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Yep.
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You’re comparing apples to oranges. Richt runs a pro style offense with far more complexity than Urban’s spread. Look at Richt’s track record with inexperienced Qb’s, unless they can run like DJ, the others didn’t win the conference. Mason mainly threw short passes, so his arm wasn’t really a threat. So teams starting hugging the guys close to the line, and he got no separation. But stop it with attempts to say Ohio St = Georgia’s offense, no it doesn’t. Point me to a pure drop passer qb under Mark Richt’s complex pro style offense that did well at Georgia in his first full season?
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Are you making excuses for next year? Because it seems you are, and that is kinda what my entire post was about.
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No, I just feel the Pro Style offense run under Coach Richt has a lot of motion, a lot of pre-snap reads and adjustments, a lot of complexity, for example, receivers have 3 options on the play depending on how to the defense plays them. that’s a lot different than running a simple option offense. And I’m looking at Richt’s past in similar situations.
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It’s like they say Richt is an amazing coach but then admit he can’t do the same thing every other coach does.
If a first year QB with an entire year to learn the system can’t succeed in Richt’s offense then that’s on Richt and that’s the bottom line. No ifs ands or butts about it.
But a first year QB CAN succeed, so stop pretending like he can’t just so you can have low expectations, folks.
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Richt is absolutely an amazing coach. But if you’re a student of history under Richt at the helm, you know first year Qb’s don’t win championships except for DJ. People don’t understand just how complex the offense is to run. Cox won 8 when he got his chance, Murray won 6 in his first run, then Mason won 10 in his first run. That’s the last 3, and no championships. What do base your belief on that we CAN succeed with a 1st year Qb in the system?
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Most QBs don’t win a championship period. We only have two conference championships under Richt and one of those came with a QB in his lone season as a starter.
I base my belief that we can succeed on the fact that we looked REALLY good this year with a “game manager” QB and the keys to that success are all returning next year. It’s easy for a QB to not make mistakes when you aren’t asked to do that much and we won’t be asking the QB to do that much.
If you believe we can’t win with a first year starter at ANY position then you don’t believe in the coaching staff. Period.
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Gosh. Bulldawg165 can you slow your roll just a little bit? I mean you are posting on this thread more than Bluto has and a most of it is tired, chest thumping, Ima football wizard silly. You are even replying to yourself for goodness sakes! And forget about Britdawg. Never seen him before and from jump street he gets busted with the caution flag from Bluto. How many times does that happen? It doesn’t. 165 how many posters have you thrown down with? You bustin’ Mac’s chops now and others. Give it a rest.
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Bejeebus but thats funny!
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Too many around here wanna personally attack me instead of addressing the logical points I present. If you feel I’m wrong in any of my posts, form a well-reasoned and logical response stating so. I’ll form a well-reasoned, logical, and POLITE response back. I always respond to kindness with kindness.
If you’re concerned about me and Mac’s beef, he threw the first stone in a thread a long time ago telling me to “Buzz off” and refrain from commenting on his posts (it should be noted that, at the time I counted, FIVE other well-respected commenters had expressed a sentiment similar to mine and none had expressed anything similar to Mac’s POV). That’s fine and all, but when he includes, IN QUOTES, something that I said and then calls it ridiculous, that’s pretty passive-aggressive don’t you think?
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And there’s nothing wrong with replying to your own posts. People do it all the time when they forget to mention something until right after they hit send. Multiple others have done it in this very thread 😉
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And also, what’s wrong with posting in a comment thread more than Bluto? People do that ALL the time. I mean heck, if we stuck hard and fast to that rule there wouldn’t be a comment section at all since Bluto’s never the first in the comments 😉
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1.Too many around here wanna personally attack me instead of addressing the logical points I present… I think you might be too busy defending yourself to see the forest for the trees. Just let it go. You don’t need to win every difference of opinion and yet you seem focused on doing just that.
2.If you feel I’m wrong in any of my posts, form a well-reasoned and logical response stating so. Hah. I don’t need to do jack. If it walks like a duck… ok you get the drill. Get off your high horse.
3. It’s not like I haven’t t crossed swords with Mac. or Mayor or Cojones, DIF… I have. But I enjoy the repartee. I’ve never done so with Bluto or Bernie. I’ve gotten sideways with other blog hosts. I’ve gone to war with Sports and Grits. I admire Bluto and Bernie. And Im not alone in that.
4. Sometimes it seems like your more concerned with winning your point of view than making a point. That’s not good imho. Not here. Most the posters here are not kids. Most have run businesses,companies, and run things.
Just my observation … in my polite voice.
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“I’ve never done so with Bluto or Bernie. I’ve gotten sideways with other blog hosts. I’ve gone to war with Sports and Grits. I admire Bluto and Bernie. And Im not alone in that.”
I like Bluto too. I’ve even met him in person. How is this relevant at all?
Anyway…
1) what are you even talking about? There are several around here who do nothing but attack me. It has nothing to do with “winning an argument.” I’m allowed to express my POV just like anyone else. Deal with it.
2) ok, so you disagree but you either don’t have the balls to debate or you’re a jackass. Which is it? If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all. Ever heard that? Good. Next time you don’t agree with my POV just shut the fuck up then.
3) I’ve disagreed with folks too. I thoroughly enjoy learning new things and the best way to do so is to debate with people whom I disagree with. I’ve learned a lot by the thoughtful replies of others.
4) didn’t you just say this in #1? And good for you. I bet your mom is so proud of your successes. Or maybe she’s not and that’s why you’re bragging about them on the internet 😉
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Jeepers… now you’re going the mom route. Goodness.
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