Jeff Ulbrich’s unfinished business

Give Dan Jeff Ulbrich credit for some degree of chutzpah – despite fudging the truth about his employment track before Roquan Smith signed his NLI, he’s trying to sell Smith on going to UCLA.  Now, I mean.

The two still communicate and Ulbrich, though onto his new job in the NFL, continues to unofficially recruit Smith to UCLA.

Hey, at least he’s not misleading Smith about who his position coach will be.

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50 responses to “Jeff Ulbrich’s unfinished business

  1. Joe Schmoe

    Why in the hell would Smith still talk to him?

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  2. 81Dog

    would Ulbrich still be considered a “representative” of UCLA, and subject to whatever rules on communication, contact, etc. that the UCLA staff is? I guess to be a successful recruiter, a sense of shame is not an asset. If the stories about AU and Ole Miss paying players is true, for example, you wonder how the head coaches square their open and notorious piety with the sordid side of things. They both seem like Jimmy Swaggert style figures to me.

    Of course, I could be wrong. They could both be pure as the driven snow, and all the whispers about them are just jealous fans from other schools trying to make trouble, just the like Barners always claim.

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    • would Ulbrich still be considered a “representative” of UCLA, and subject to whatever rules on communication, contact, etc. that the UCLA staff is?

      Good question. I don’t know the answer to that one, although I kind of doubt it.

      I’ve asked for an answer on Twitter. We’ll see if I get a response.

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      • 81Dog

        I am sure you recall the case of the guy in south Florida who ran some kind of athletic program there during the Goff era. Guy never so much as set foot in Athens, but was deemed “a representative of UGA’s athletic interests” even though kids from his program went to several different schools. We ended up on probation for the recruitment of some DL name Corey something, who ended up at FSU before he hit the NFL. That’s what made me think of the question. Given my famous sloth, of course I am too lazy to do much beyond throw the question up and wait for someone who is smart and/or energetic to scrounge up the answer. At least I am aware of my own limitations. 😉

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      • Irwin R Fletcher

        Might be a bigger issue that he is an NFL coach talking to a non-draft eligible player. There typically are VERY large contact rules for coaches and college players along with VERY large fines if they run afoul of these rules.

        Ulbrich might feel some loyalty to Mora (clearly…if he’s lying to the kid knowing he’s out the door), but he might get a reality check if anyone from the league decides to inquire with his new bosses about the practice.

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    • I doubt the head coaches, anywhere, ask the recruiters how they do it. Plausible deniability and all that…

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    • Bulldawg165

      “If the stories about AU and Ole Miss paying players is true….”

      And we have no reason to believe that it is…

      This isn’t directed at you in particular, but there seems to be a bit of an obsession with Auburn around here. They get brought up way too often. It’s almost as if some UGA fans are jealous and insecure because of their recent championships and feel the need to downgrade them all the time.

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      • Mayor

        Not so 165. The reason Auburn gets brought up so much is Auburn seems to be the most consistent flagrant violator. Auburn also knows how to play the game and get away with it, i.e. hiring the former head of NCAA Enforcement to work full time at Auburn as “insurance” so that when the WarTigers do get caught they can finesse it all away. Their brass is most evident by the Cam Newton situation. Do you think for even one second if Newton had gone to Georgia the outcome would have been a 1 day suspension during the week and no games missed? Most schools wouldn’t even have tried what Auburn pulled off with Cam Newton.

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        • ClydeBoogie

          And the truth shall set you free!! Preach it brother mayor!!

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        • Bulldawg165

          I don’t have any hard evidence one way or the other (but neither does anyone else around here), but the preponderance of the evidence suggests that either Auburn doesn’t flagrantly break the rules, or that everyone else does too (I lean toward the latter) given how similarly they recruit relative to everyone else.

          Fwiw, I highly doubt ole Cecil came up with that massive $180K number out of thin air. I also doubt he’d blatantly shop his son to the schools who were recruiting him unless he knew those types of things were common practice.

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          • 81Dog

            so AU is just paying people like everyone else? Or they’re the cruel victims of rumors spread by jealous rivals?

            If you want hard evidence that AU breaks the rules, try Googling the interview Terry Bowden did after he left AU in which he detailed payoffs, slush funds, etc. that he inherited from Pat Dye and basically had to keep running to keep those getting greased quiet. Or maybe any of the several NCAA reports when they put AU on probation. Or any of the several reports on Eric Ramsey, former AU DB.

            Me, I’m not obsessed with Auburn. But if they’re just engaging in “common practice,” there sure is a lot of smoke for no fire.

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            • Bulldawg165

              Are you really bringing up stuff that happened two decades ago? Well, since we’re living in the past…
              1) Do Jan Jemp and Jim Harrick ring a bell?
              2) What about ole #34? Pretty sure he didn’t buy that Trans Am himself
              3) How about our former coach being convicted of running a ponzi scheme?
              4) How about our AD publicly cheating on his wife and driving under the influence and then attempting to use his position to get out of it? It’s foolish to think it’s the first time he pulled those antics and it’s foolish to not think everyone knew about it.
              5) Do you really think nobody in our program knew Todd Gurley was signing stuff for cash? I mean we have an entire department dedicated to compliance and all you had to do was google the Heisman Hopeful’s name to see a laundry list of autographed memorabilia.

              Jesus. Everyone, UGA included, looks the other way at times. I’m not saying I condone it, but I’m not going to pretend like it only happens at “those other schools”

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              • “Pretty sure” about Herschel’s car, eh? Based on what?

                Donnan wasn’t convicted, by the way. He was found not guilty.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  Didn’t know that about Donnan. Thanks for the info.

                  As to Herschel, I said in my previous post that I didn’t have any facts per se, but per wikipedia “He was one of seven children in his blue collar family.” Pretty hard to work enough to pay for a nice Trans Am when you’re busy with football all the time in college, don’t you think? The preponderance of the evidence is in my favor

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                • GaskillDawg

                  Here are the facts about Herschel, his blue collar family and the Trans Am.

                  Herschel’s Father, Willis Walker, was a foreman in a union kaolin mine. He went up through the ranks at the mine being paid on a union scale. His Mother was employed in a textile plant. The Walker homeplace was inherited. So, Herschell was from a two income family with no mortgage payment. His older sister, Veronica, attended college on a track scholarship, so they were not paying tuition. Herschel was the fifth child, meaning that by the time he graduated from high school the four older mouths were grown and on their own and not being fed by Willis and Christine Walker. Believe me, there were a lot of families making union wages and a second full time income that can afford to buy a car and make car loan payments. Herschel did nto buy the car. His father did, just as thousands of UGA Moms and Dads do for their kids when they go off to UGA on the Hope Scholarship. Why couldn’t Willis and Christine Walker do the same for their kid?.

                  You are dredging up the same old bullshit that Tech dredged up in 1980. The NCAA investigated the car. Willis Walker met with investigators, showed them the car note in his name, payment coupons in his name and the cancelled checks for the payments he got in his bank statements and cleared that up.

                  “The preponderance of the evidence is in my favor?” Don’t flatter yourself. Tell me why your “evidence” shows that a foreman in a union mine making United Mine Workers wages with a Wife earning a full time salary, with no mortgage could not qualify for, and make payments on, a car note.

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                • Will

                  God bless the Union, I’m a Union man.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  Fair enough. If what you said is true then the preponderance of the evidence very clearly isn’t in my favor. I’ll refrain from bringing it up moving forward.

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                • 81Dog

                  read a paper. also, of the sterling “examples” you threw out there, 2 didn’t involve football at all, Jan Kemp didn’t involve “paying players,” and the whole point of Gurley getting suspended and UGA self reporting to the NCAA was that nobody in the administration knew until just before the suspension. Also, Gurley wasn’t paid anything by a UGA booster trying to get him to come to school, which, since you’re apparently a little slow on the uptake, was kind of my point about AU and Ole Miss in the first place. Terry Bowden wasn’t 30 years ago, either, and was directly involved in paying guys to come to AU (at least, as the inheritor of a long standing tradition, which apparently continued at least through St. Cam’s matriculation).

                  If you want to shrug it off, fine. But EVERYONE isn’t doing it. If you have some info that Herschel got his TA paid for by UGA, let everyone know. Nobody here has said “UGA is totally squeaky clean on every possible violation.” It’s a long way from “some rules may get broken some times by some people” to “It’s a culture at this school that we buy players” like history, recent and past, would suggest it is at Auburn, especially.

                  Sorry you missed the stories about Donnan getting acquitted. If that’s an example of your deep thinking, I can see how you’d swallow the line that Malzahn and Freeze are just good Christian men trying to help underprivileged youths instead of possibly being the football equivalents of televangelists.

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                • Mayor

                  There’s another investigation around the Cam Newton era at Auburn that seems to always get overlooked. After Auburn skated on the Cam Newton matter 4 former Auburn players, linemen mostly, came forward and said that they had been paid by Auburn boosters in cash on a monthly basis to attend and play at Auburn–named names, too. I saw some of them talk about it on TV. This was reported to the NCAA and an “NCAA investigation” was done. After several months of nothing happening an announcement was made that the investigation was over and no charges were being brought against Auburn because there was “no credible evidence” of a violation. Well, the payments were made in cash and not deposited in a bank plus the boosters denied it. How else would you prove it other than players testifying? This was during the Gene Cheatsatit era. I’ve been a lawyer for 4 decades and let me tell you 4 live witnesses doesn’t warrant a finding of “no credible evidence.” Something is rotten between the NCAA (the SEC, too) and Auburn and has been for years.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  Geez dude. We’re comparing the ethics of athletic departments. Does it really make a difference if it specifically related to football or not?

                  You mentioned an interview with Terry Bowden after he retired. He retired in 1998. I said two decades ago, which is twenty years and not thirty.

                  The Donnan stuff has already been addressed by me.

                  As for Gurley, UGA reported when they HAD to after being confronted by the dealer. It’s silly to think that nobody in our athletic or compliance department did as much as Google Gurley’s name that point.

                  I never said Malzahn and Freeze were men of character, but you have no proof that either of them have arranged or enabled the paying of players (as trivial of a transgression as that would be in the grand scheme of things).

                  My point, which apparently YOU’RE a little slow on the uptake (and apparently a condescending ass as well), was that even though we may not pay players to come here, our athletic department still has enough incidents where the moral high horse nonsense is a bit silly, especially when some of the transgressions were a bit more serious than allegedly giving money to players that we all agree should receive more compensation from the schools than they currently do.

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              • JCDAWG83

                #1 is the only thing that you point to that was an actual violation of NCAA rules by someone AT UGA and only the Harrick case involved the NCAA. The Jan Kemp case did not result in NCAA action, only a change in university policy, no NCAA rules were really broken The others were either not NCAA issues, were not a violation by UGA or, in the case of #2, nothing more than speculation.

                I’m sure we’ve done some things, we may even still be doing things that aren’t NCAA compliant. However, to draw any equivalency between AU and UGA regarding cheating is like your president comparing the ISIS atrocities to the Crusades. There is no comparison.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  Not sure what you mean by “your president” unless you aren’t a U.S. citizen. Pretty irrelevant but you brought it up so…

                  Anyway, breaking the actual law is a bit more serious than victimless NCAA infractions, wouldn’t you agree? I’d hope we’d all choose to pay players over the Jan Kemp and Damon Evans situations

                  Funny that you call #2 speculation while assuming the allegations against Cam Newton and Auburn are stone cold facts. That’s awfully convenient, eh 😉

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                • Mayor

                  No laws were broken by anyone in the Jan Kemp case which was a civil litigation employment matter. Damon Evans broke no laws either except traffic laws. This is really weak sh!t you are coming up with 165. As for the Cam Newton payoff, right after Cammie started attending Auburn suddenly Rev. Newton’s church got an infusion of capital that allowed a lot of repairs/construction to happen. Plus there is the statement made by Cammie to his HS buddy when the buddy asked why Cam went to Auburn instead of Missy State where his old OC, Dan Mullen, was now the HC, and Cammie replied: “The money was too much.” All that got swept under the rug.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  Jan Kemp wouldn’t have won a civil suit unless some.laws were broken buddy. And Damon Evans only broke “traffic laws.” Lol ok.

                  Everything you’re saying is speculation whether you like it or not. Let’s assume it’s true though. Would you rather your son be a football coach that pays players or an AD that publicly cheats on his wife and frequently drives under the influence? I sure hope to god it’s the former but with the way you dismiss this stuff I really don’t know.

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        • Otto

          Most schools wouldn’t even have tried what Auburn pulled off with Cam Newton.

          Tell that to Tx A&M

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          • Mayor

            Yep. aTm learned from Auburn. I predict more of that in the future. Ole Miss is already right there with Auburn. But we at Georgia turn ourselves in and get the book thrown at us for being honest.

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      • SCDawg

        Everybody breaks the rules from time to time. Hell, it’s hard not to, because there are a lot of rules. But Auburn cheats.

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    • GaskillDawg

      I went to the source, NCAA.org’s “Booster’s Guide the the NLI.” Find it at http://www.nationalletter.org/documentLibrary/boosterGuideToTheNli.pdf .

      These are the NCAA’s own words:

      “An individual is considered to be a representative of an institution’s athletics interests (booster) by supporting teams and athletic departments through donations of time and financial resources. Further, an individual is considered to be a representative/booster of athletics interest if an individual:
      – Has ever participated in or been a member of any group at an institution, which supports specific athletic teams.
      – Has ever made financial contributions to an institution’s athletic program or to an athletics booster organization of an institution.
      – Has ever assisted in providing benefits to an enrolled student-athlete or his or her family or friends.
      – Has ever helped to arrange or has provided summer or semester break employment for an enrolled student-athlete.
      – Has ever provided a donation in order to obtain season tickets for any athletics program of an institution.
      -Has ever promoted an institution’s athletic program in any manner.
      – Has ever contacted (by letter, telephone, or in-person) a high school student, grades 9-12, for the purpose of encouraging the student to participate in the athletics program of an institution.
      Please note: This is not an all inclusive list. ”

      So, has Ulbrich ever:

      Been a member of any group at an institution, which supports specific athletic teams. Gosh, is coaching football players supportig the football team?
      Assisted football players to obtain benefits? I don’t know.
      Promoted UCLA’s football team in any manner. Damn right he did.
      Contacted (by letter, telephone, or in-person) a high school student, grades 9-12, for the purpose of encouraging the student to participate in the athletics program of UCLA? Undeniably.

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  3. Mr. Tu

    Shouldn’t tis guy be focusing on the job he is being paid to do. It would seem that helping out Jim Mora, Jr. at the expense of both his duties as a Falcons coach and a large percentage of the Falcon fan base who are also fans of the Dawgs, would not be a good use of his time. He might find himself sideways with his new teams owner and fans

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  4. Jack Klompus

    Is it a good idea to be a coach for the Falcons and at the same time positioning yourself against Georgia’s real home team?

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  5. georgiajeepn

    Wow talk about someone making a grand entrance to the state of Georgia!
    Did he say now how can I endear myself to 3/4ths of Falcons fans? Oh yea I will recruit against the flagship college in that state.

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  6. Trbodawg

    Not to be “that Guy” but isn’t it JEFF Ulbrich?

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  7. Doggoned

    We must be deep into the off-season when UGA fans can engage in debate over exactly how dirty Auburn’s program is. It’s no accident that tainted players always seem to end up in the barn for a second, third, or more chance. I’m sure they see it as “player-friendly.” I see it as something else.

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  8. Someone mentioned Donnan earlier. He is a POS who screwed some former players who trusted him. One lost about a million IIRC. He may have been acquitted but so was OJ.

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