We’ll see you when we see you.

If there’s gonna be an early signing period for recruits, Andy Staples argues there should be something else that’s made early:  official visits.

Earlier official visits haven’t happened because college coaches don’t want them to happen. At the moment, the only period a college coach can take a vacation is the summer, and coaches believe this would eliminate that opportunity because they’d be hosting official visitors. Never mind that coaches are adults who could simply say, “I’m taking a vacation this week” and schedule visits around it. They would prefer time off be regulated, as that makes their lives easier.

Earlier official visits would allow low-income prospects to make more informed decisions. It would help geographically isolated schools like Nebraska expose their programs to recruits who can’t afford unofficial visits. It would also help choke out the cottage industry of shady dudes loading high schoolers into vans and driving them to multiple unofficial visits over the summer — and maybe the envelopes full of cash that appear under the hotel room doors of said shady dudes in exchange for their time and trouble.

Despite all of these potential benefits, official visits still can’t start until a prospect’s senior year. But remember, it’s all about the kids.

Of course it is, bless their hearts.

The irony here is that earlier official visits would provide more of an opportunity to sell the school to kids – you know, the thing the NCAA says the recruiting process is all about.

 

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36 responses to “We’ll see you when we see you.

  1. sectionzalum

    seems like going in the summer when the bulk of the students are gone might not show what the place is like during the rest of the year…

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  2. Scorpio Jones, III

    When does spring practice start….fans Faton Bauta want to know. 🙂

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  3. Scorpio Jones, III

    And another thing…these coaches making a gazilia-boolian bucks a year…they don’t need no stinking vacation. They need to get busy and coach.

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    • Go Dawgs!

      This is just another area where I can see both sides of the equation. That article does a great job of laying out the benefits for student athletes of being able to take official visits over the summer (though, I don’t know that I’d want to take an official when I can’t see what a school is really like… most schools and towns are dramatically different when the majority of students are gone, and you don’t get the gameday experience either).

      However, I can definitely imagine that a coach isn’t going to be able to relax taking his vacation knowing that Nick Saban won’t be and that Alabama is hard at work while you’re laying in the sand. The only way that dude is taking time off is if the NCAA forces him to. That sends ripples through the way the rest of the coaches behave.

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      • gastr1

        Yes. The workload for these coaches is obviously insanely high. I can’t fault them for having an agreed-upon dead period.

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      • 3rdandGrantham

        True, but in fairness, those other coaches you mentioned don’t make anywhere near Saban’s salary, have little chance of equaling his success, and have little chance beating him in recruiting top athletes. Sure, the Miles and Richt’s might not like it, but for all the rest, like the UK’s, USF’s, NCST’s, etc. of the world, knowing that Saban is actively recruiting while you’re polishing off another Mai Tai in the Bahamas, won’t exactly make you feel guilty or that you’re losing ground.

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        • Go Dawgs!

          I think you are severely underestimating the competitiveness of a college football coach.

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          • 3rdandGrantham

            If a coach at a NCST, USF, UK, etc. type school (basically the majority of FBS schools) is so over the top competitive that he’s worried about Nick Saban at Alabama outworking him, and thus gaining a competitive advantage with top 4-5 star recruits; well, then that coach is a total idiot and deserves the repercussions that come from working himself into the ground.

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    • They make $80,000 a week! There’s no excuse for taking a vacation (or losing a game)! FIRE EVERYBODY, NOW!

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    • PTC DAWG

      Everyone needs a break. Some folks just don’t know it, and think the world will stop revolving without their input.

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  4. Parent

    Why don’t they just say the kids can take up to 3 of their 5 allotted visits during a certain period of their junior year while school is in session, maybe the same period that the seniors are going? Then, it goes back to a period where they can only take unofficial visits until the next year. The 3 star prospects need to commit long before September of their senior year to hold their spot anyway. And, if a kid is enrolling early, they have very little time to take officials under the current system anyway. Trying to balance the HS season, school, and parents’ work, while visiting any place not within short driving distance is not easy to do.

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  5. Earlier official visits would allow low-income prospects to make more informed decisions.

    How? The schools pay for the official visits. If they happen in July or September, what difference does that make if the kids have a limited number of official visits to begin with? The visits being earlier doesn’t change how informed of a decision a low-income prospect might make… it’s the number of official visits he can take versus the ability to take unofficial visits.

    Will someone enlighten me as to how this assertion makes sense and is not just class-baiting?

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    • DawgPhan

      I dont have any idea, but I would imagine that it has to do with everything is tougher for low income families. Allowing them more time to do something would probably make it easier than trying to pack 5 official visits into one summer.

      Allowing them to make a more informed decision means that mom and dad get to attend the visits.

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    • Sock Puppet

      Schools don’t pay for families do they?

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      • Parent

        Schools don’t pay for family airfare, only the prospect, but do cover everything once on the visit (parents or coach only). If you can drive, all travel is covered because they pay mileage.

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        • I thought I read something about a change in the rule, but I know that unless the rule recently changed the school could pay for the recruit’s expenses of the visit but not the parents’.

          As for the point made that if a family could not afford travel in October then it probably could not afford travel in July, fair point. I do understand that a family has a harder time budgeting for 5 trips in a five month period than budgeting for 5 trips in a 24 month period. Maybe that is his point.

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    • Parent

      Look back at what I pointed out above. If the kid is not a premium 4 or 5 star prospect, they need to commit before senior year to claim a spot. So, a kid that can only visit if the school is paying may have to commit without ever visiting the school so they don’t lose the spot.

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  6. 3rdandGrantham

    HC’s making 3-7 mil a year, with assistants making 300k-1.8 mil complaining about losing vacation time is akin to a corporate CEO complaining about not having a Gulfstream III at his disposal, in which he’ll have to “get by” with a Citation CJ2 for the foreseeable future. Not exactly tactful.

    I have friends with demanding corporate jobs who make less, if not far less than position coaches, who are lucky to get more than a week off a year. And they travel 100+ nights to boot.

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    • Go Dawgs!

      OK. Now give your corporate buddies mandated vacation time in the summer. Then try to take it away. Tell me how easily they give it up.

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      • 3rdandGrantham

        Ironically enough, a friend/neighbor of mine for years enjoyed the entire month of July and early August off, as his key clients/accounts were all pretty much shut down at that time. Thus, they’d spend that month at their second home in the VA mountains nearby and were living the good life.

        Things changed a bit last year with a corporate reshuffling, in which one C-level type noticed that he and select other sales engineers were enjoying such a nice perk that didn’t count against their PTO. This apparently irked him as he was making a healthy salary in the low 200’s. Long story short, he was assigned several accounts that required active involvement during the summer, thus crashing his summer fun.

        He basically shrugged his shoulders and adapted, knowing he still has it really good making a handsome living that most simply can’t fathom.

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    • PTC DAWG

      Your friends are the ones I spoke of above.

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      • 3rdandGrantham

        I totally agree. However, they often aren’t the ones calling the shots—their employer is (with select few, ultra type A types being outliers). Sure, they get 6 weeks PTO, but if they dare use more than 2 of it, they are frowned upon compared to their colleagues. Those are the breaks when you’re a higher up in corporate life making 175k+.

        This is why so many get burned out on corporate life, drop out of the rat race, and spend the last 1/2 of whatever of their career doing something far less demanding yet more meaningful to them. Like opening a bike shop or becoming a fly fishing guide.

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        • Cojones

          Like posting on a Dawg blog. Like fly fishing here during the summer. Like visiting a son in Montana who has a river craft and guides me fly fishing on the Yellowstone, Boulder, etc.

          Even Consulting becomes a rat race. Glad to have dropped out and enjoyed before paying medical bills became the chief occupation.

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    • The cotton is not nearly as high… but that Piper Mirage is plenty sweet. 😉

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  7. unclebeezer

    I’m more intrigued by Staples other idea (which Rich Rod and Bo Pelini, of all people) have championed: Get rid of signing day all together.

    http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/02/11/national-signing-day-elimination-rich-rodriguez-arizona

    I think it would force coaches and signees to be a little more cautioned in how they approach things. Not sure if its the right answer, but its at least a creative solution to the problem of the coaches having all the leverage.

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  8. If they do move all of this up, and into the summer, I expect some coaching careers to become shortened. Most look frazzled enough as it is once the season is over and after the current recruiting schedule.

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