He gone.

The question I’d like to know the answer to here is whether Georgia had the opportunity to match whatever LSU offered Coach Ball.  If not, I assume Ball wanted out of Athens.  If yes, given the way the coffers at Butts-Mehre have been opened of late, Ball’s departure may be an indication that Richt was ready to go in a different direction.

In any event, I guess some of you can drop the “nobody wants Richt’s coaches” bullshit now.

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  1. 202dawg

    I’m sorry to be ‘that guy’, but is Hines really a pipe dream? I mean, how long is this fat NBC contract anyway?

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    • Silver Britches

      Yes. He is a pipe dream. He’s working maybe 10 hours a week making more than UGA can pay him.

      But good grief, would he murder recruiting.

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      • Bazooka Joe

        And coaching them up. I could promise you one thing – our receivers would be tough as nails – just like Hines was….. That’s even better than his ‘crootin skills…

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  2. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Schottie knows a guy.

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  3. I wonder if we did try to match it, Ball was thinking “well, why did you have to wait until I got an offer from another school before you considered giving me a raise?” That is probably a petty accusation tho. Anyone got some info?

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    • I had the exact same thought. He was one of the guys that wasn’t offered a raise this year, then all of a sudden somebody is dangling more money in front of him. Not saying we were wrong for not giving him a raise or he is wrong for looking elsewhere, just one of those things. Plus, he’s been in Athens since ’06, clearly he’s never gonna be promoted beyond position coach or else he would have been by now, so maybe he’s just ready for a change of scenery. Hopefully it’s amicable on both sides, I wish him luck, he did a good job for us.

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    • Bazooka Joe

      you may not be far from the truth… BM opened the purse strings and gave a bunch of raises. I heard/read that Ball was not one of them. So even if we did try to match, I could see him saying something like “too late bro – you had your chance a month ago and blew it”.

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    • Dawgfan Will

      From what many on these interwebs are saying, the answer to that question might be “Because you aren’t pulling your weight in recruiting.”

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  4. Bright Idea

    Lots of work and hours that Hines probably doesn’t need but who knows, he might just be interested. Regardless, if Richt hasn’t replaced Ball by Monday Bulldog Nation will be in a full scale panic, B-M will be in turmoil and WR recruits will be ready to bolt. We complain when coaches don’t leave and when they do. I’ve always heard that Ball was not impressive in the offices of high school coaches.

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    • Why would you hire someone who’s never coached a day in his life?

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      • Go Dawgs!

        Ding! Ding! Ding!

        If the replacement is a guy that I’ve never heard of, I’ll be relieved because it probably means it’s someone with an actual coaching resume.

        I just hope the fact that Ball wanted to leave isn’t an indication that our receiving corps isn’t looking good for next year.

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      • Argondawg

        He played 13 seasons in the NFL. He knows the position backwards and forwards. He is super personal (I’ve met him several times). He would be in charge of teaching receivers what he knows and he is still relevant to this generation of players. Some of them grew up watching him. It’s not like the guy lacks substance.

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        • Great players usually can’t coach a lick. See Ted Williams on that point. Hines is my #1 dawg with Herschel and hoage close behind but we don’t know that he can coach. Usually it’s the guys that were limited as players who turn out to be the best coaches. Saban, cmr, Meyer, bobby cox just off the top of my head are mediocre talents who made much better coaches in part due to their frustrations as former players who didn’t make it. What’s the old saying: those who can do and those who can’t teach? Lot of truth in that. If Hines wants to coach he can get a job and make his bones but he needs to either start at a small school or further down the food chain than position coach at georgia. Show some commitment. Show that he can communicate. Show that he can translate his knowledge effectively. You can’t give him the keys to the castle on day one though. Hines may be the best pro football player UGA has produced (I think Tarkenton would be the only one to argue over) but it doesn’t mean he’s ready for the full time staff at uga.

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          • DC Weez

            Hey, let’s don’t diss Ted Williams. He was 1969 AL Manager of the Year managing the lowly Washington Senators.

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          • RugbyDawg79

            Thomas Davis might be in that debate

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          • Mayor

            Let’s see, Derek….better pro football player than…..Champ Bailey?…Bill Stanfill?….Matt Stafford? (jury still out on that)…..Super Bowl MVP and multiple Pro Bowler Jake Scott?….and if you want to go to kickers, how about Kevin Butler, certainly Chicago’s best all-time PK and one of the best in the history of the NFL? And I haven’t even mentioned Mack Strong who played FB for Seattle for 15 years and was generally considered the best blocking FB in football. Sweeping statements can be dangerous. 🙂

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          • Bazooka Joe

            I think you are wrong, I do not think he needs to go to some small school and “make his bone” – this isn’t corporate America (oh wait, corp America doesn’t do that anymore either…). Being a position coach is hardly “keys to the castle”, that’s a bit overblown don’t ya think ?

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            • Bazooka Joe

              Oh, and its just my opinion and you may think Im full of it. As I read my post as it was waiting to post I thought it may be coming out a little crappy, didn’t mean it that way….

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      • Bazooka Joe

        Well the fact that he was a damned good receive both in college and pro (very well end up hall of fame) shows that he knows the position and what it takes to succeed. Being Hines Id definitely consider giving him a shot…. its not like he would be the OC or anything….

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  5. JCDAWG83

    Meh, there are plenty of coaches out there.

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  6. Argondawg

    He was literally the lowest ranked recruiter on the staff. He seemed to be a good coach but even when Sale in his first season out recruits you there is a problem. Any way you look at it this is addition by subtraction. Opens the door for CBS to hire someone to plug into his system. The timing really couldn’t be better.

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  7. Russ

    Best of luck to him. I thought he did a good job with our guys. Maybe it was just time for him to move on.

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  8. WF dawg

    I do know the WR corps seemed to improve under Ball from what it was under Eason. Particularly, in avoiding drops and downfield blocking.

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    • Cojones

      Was there a disconnect with the recruit WRs who committed and pulled out , one just before SD? That may have greased both Ball’s and recruits skids.

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  9. MGW

    He was rock solid. We haven’t had to worry about our receivers in a long long time. Hate to see him go.

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    • Minnesota Dawg

      Agreed. Thought he was a fantastic position coach–our WR position improved tremendously under his coaching when compared with his predecessor. Certainly there is a story behind it….I just wonder which one it is. Hate to lose a guy to a conference member in a lateral move. Have to think Schotty will take the lead in looking for a replacement. Could be telling…

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      “He was rock solid.” I agree 100%. Under Ball WR hasn’t been a problem area for a long time – even when we had multiple severe injuries.

      I’m afraid we might find that its not going to be easy hiring such a capable replacement. Getting a guy who can coach so well, and recruit as well as anyone else in the sec seems to be taken for granted.

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    • Yea, I don’t really give a damn if he wasn’t an all star recruiter. He recruited WRs well enough to make the position one of strength over his tenure as the WR coach. Does nobody remember how awful drops were up until about 2008?

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  10. Otto

    Les Miles’ hires doesn’t exactly destroy the nobody hires CMR coaches. How many points did his new DC give up in his last game as DC?

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  11. The other Doug

    “…Ball’s departure may be an indication that Richt was ready to go in a different direction.”

    I’m starting to wonder if this applies to Bobo too.

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  12. Skeptic Dawg

    It is never a good sign when coaches leave one program for a lateral position at another program. That being said, LSU is a program that actually competes for national titles and is a tier higher than UGA.

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    • I’ll give you credit for consistency, sir.

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      • DawgPhan

        pretty sure the first comment I saw on twitter about Tony Ball was “Why would anyone want him, our WRs suck”

        They never miss a chance. Everything is bad news.

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    • It is never a good sign when coaches leave one program for a lateral position at another program.

      BTW, what does that say about Pruitt leaving FSU for Georgia?

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      • Irwin R Fletcher

        Or Bama picking Lane Kiffin up off the dumpster fire?

        BTW…competes for national titles? Are we talking about the same LSU with no top 10 finishes in the last 3 seasons and 15-9 in the SEC? Les Miles has 3 SEC championship appearances….he’s 1-1 against Richt in those games and dodged playing UGA in 2007…a year where LSU and UGA finished 1-2 in the country.

        Just curious at the comparison, I guess.

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      • Skeptic Dawg

        While I do not have firsthand knowledge of the FSU situation, I think Pruitt leaving a national championship team speaks to the mess that Jimbo has created. The culture surrounding Winston and FSU is/was toxic. My point was a general, broad based rule. Coaches moving for the same position typically speaks of underlying issues. Issues with the coach himself or with the program or with a new OC/DC/HC

        As for the consistency you mentioned above, it is easy to remain consistent when you have evidence to support your beliefs. 2006-2014 (9 years) is enough proof for me. However, Pruitt does give me hope for future success. He appears to have revamped this program by himself.

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        • Cojones

          And mo’ money with chance of advancement in a new organization makes him toxic? Better change your name to Downright Out Of My Mind Depressed and shorten it to DOOMeD.

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        • Irwin R Fletcher

          Skeptic-

          “2006-2014 (9 years) is enough proof for me.” *convenient start year …eyeroll…

          Explain how LSU’s performance over that span shows it is a ‘tier higher’? Is it just the end results of each season? 2007 they won the national championship/SEC…but you do realize it was with the exact same record, right? So if you give credit for LSU ‘competing for national titles’ in 2007, then you’d have to do the same for UGA that year. Fast forward…LSU has ‘competed’ for one other national title in that span. 2011. But the same is true for UGA, right? They came just as close (a loss against Bama being the difference) to winning a championship in 2012.

          Here’s the comparison since 2007…
          LSU
          2 SECCG/ 3 Top 10/ 2 Top 5/ 81-25/ 43-21 SEC/ 1 NC(2007)

          UGA
          2 SECCG/ 3 Top 10/ 2 Top 5/ 75-31/ 44-20 SEC

          If the 2007 season is the only thing that separates your ‘tiers’, I’d say you’ve got some flaws in your proof.

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          • PatinDC

            Now you have done it. Don’t confuse him with the facts. Les has that shiny trophy you know.

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          • Skeptic Dawg

            Georgia ha zero SECC’s in that time frame while averaging 9 wins and 3 to 4 losses (3.88). That is simply not getting it done.

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            • Irwin R Fletcher

              The issue is whether LSU is ‘competing’ for national titles and ‘a tier above’ UGA. That’s what you said when you snarked about Ball leaving for a better program. But move the target if that makes you feel better.

              By the way…what’s the statute of limitations on that 2007 championship? Next year will you compare LSU from 2008-2015? Probably not.

              Over the past three years…LSU 28-11, 15-9 SEC, No top 10 finishes, 1-2 in bowl games, 3-6 vs. Top 10, 8-7 vs. top 25
              UGA 30-10, 18-6 SEC, 2 Top 10 finishes. 2-1 in Bowl Games, 4-4 vs. Top 10, 8-7 vs top 25.

              Just let me know how that ‘tier’ system works…is it something that doesn’t change because you have a preconceived notion/agenda or will you reconsider after UGA once again has a better season in 2015?

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    • PTC DAWG

      How is a hundred grand more or so a lateral move? Sometimes folks just want to move on..this doesn’t have to be bad for either party…not sure why some always see it that way.

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  13. DC Weez

    I don’t know what CTB’s reasons were for going to LSU but I wish him well. Coaching changes present the possibility of positive opportunities (see Jeremy Pruitt). The current players have had the benefit of CTB. Now they may get different insights from whomever replaces CTB. The result — more well rounded, better coached players. Here’s to CTB’s replacement whoever he may be!

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  14. Debby Balcer

    Sorry to see him go but I trust Coach Richt with the hire. LSU had a disappointing season last year so UGA looks to be heading up. I am surprised he left now but he has been interviewing so it looks like he was ready to leave.

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  15. Bulldog Joe

    Tony did a very good job with our backs and receivers. That said, ten years in one place with one offense is a long time for an assistant, even at Tony’s age.

    He should improve LSU’s receiving corps. Now if LSU can only find a QB…

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  16. Chunky A

    Let’s move McClendon over to WR’s and go get Thomas Brown from Wisconsin to take over RB’s…..

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  17. RandallPinkFloyd

    Thomas Brown. Please bring him home. Textbook definition of a DGD.

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  18. W Cobb Dawg

    So who’s doing the hiring of the replacement?? CJP has clearly been leaving his mark on all the hires, with the possible exception of Schotty. Or is Schotty now in charge of the O, and the hiring of the WR coach? Or is it CMR? It’ll be interesting to see if our new hire has links to CJP, like all but one of our recent hires.

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  19. Ginny

    I’m SO down for Thomas Brown. DGD and a DG coach. Abdullah had a pretty good year I’d say.

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  20. Hackerdog

    Brown may be an excellent coach. But I think we have one of the best RB coaches in the country. Why replace him?

    That would be like moving Pruitt to coach receivers so we can go after Bud Foster.

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  21. Joe Schmoe

    Well, for those wanting change in Athens I’d say they have gotten their wish:

    McLendon & Lilly are only coaches left from staff 2 years ago
    Recruiting department has be overhauled
    S&T has been overhauled

    Basically, the entire staff has turned over the past 2 seasons without a HQ change. I for one am anxious to see if (and I believe it will) it leads to a second ~5 year period of championship-level success for Richt much like his first 5 years.

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