To no one’s surprise at all…

Michael Carvell goes the extra mile and asks for the NCAA’s reaction to the Roquan Smith signing news.  It’s a beaut.

“This really places that athletics team in a bad position for planning for the upcoming year if there is no binding agreement. This results in no accountability on the student’s behalf but the institution is accountable for providing the athletics aid.

“Contrary to what some people report, the NLI is a two-way agreement between the student and the institution and there is a release process if the NLI signee chooses to request it. Hopefully because a parent or legal guardian has to sign the NLI with the prospective student-athlete if under the age of 21, that individual is assisting the student in understanding what making a commitment means.”

We’ll skip past that whole “assisting the student” nonsense there, and head straight to the two-way agreement.  Say what?

… But then I asked this — Isn’t it fair to say the same about the colleges, who put the (recruit) in a “bad position” with college coaches that leave for another job the day after signing day — as if they deceived and tricked a kid into signing the NLI?

“Yes, that is a fair statement and that is why I say it is a two-way agreement,” Peal said. “Both parties are making a commitment, not just one. As for deceiving a kid into signing, this is something that institution needs to deal with and if the NLI signee asks for a release due to this reason, the institution should consider the circumstances.”

Hey, that’s exactly what Urban Meyer did!

Oh, and by the way,  Ms. Peal did let one thing slip about the early signing day proposal:  “…there is no exception for a coaching change with any of the signing periods…”

If there’s something in the NCAA regs that truly favors the student-athlete, it’s probably an oversight.

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27 responses to “To no one’s surprise at all…

  1. Spence

    Any rule that’s relying on the self policing of entity being regulated is no rule at all. It’s like abolishing law enforcement by instead asking all law breakers to turn themselves in.

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  2. Bazooka Joe

    Id love to see every prospect refuse to sign one (ok, know it wont happen to the prospects not highly rated as they want to make sure they have a spot).
    That response from the NCAA has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read. I felt my IQ drop 30 points just for reading it (and it was never high to begin with ! haha)

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  3. Scorpio Jones, III

    In re: Dickhead….”Drayton’s been with me a long time.”

    You be the judge:

    Drayton held assistant coaching positions with the Eastern Michigan Eagles, Penn Quakers, Villanova Wildcats, and Bowling Green Falcons, before being hired by the Green Bay Packers as Assistant Offensive Quality Control & Special Teams Coach.

    Following his time with the Packers he worked as a Running Backs Coach with the Mississippi State Bulldogs, Florida Gators, Tennessee Volunteers, and Syracuse Orange. He returned to the Gators for the 2010 campaign.[2]

    In January 2011, Drayton was hired as a Wide Receivers Coach by the Ohio State Buckeyes. Following the 2011 season, he was reassigned to the role of Running Backs Coach, under new head coach Urban Meyer (his former boss and mentor at Florida).

    In February 2015, Drayton was hired as a Running Backs coach for the Chicago Bears.

    Cold pizza anyone?

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  4. No One Knows You're a Dawg

    Have to give Carvell credit. He has taken his job and elevated it with his advocacy journalism on behalf of recruits.

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    • Spence

      Can’t tell if this is sarcastic. But Carvell (whom I’ve disparaged before) has done a really nice job asking tough questions on this story, IMO

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      • No One Knows You're a Dawg

        No, i’m being sincere. Most reporters have ongoing relationships with college coaches, conferences, or the NCAA and often tread lightly when discussing the treatment of recruits. His otherwise very niche beat puts him in a unique position to tell recruits’ stories.

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  5. CannonDawg

    Hey guys:

    Enough about all this football stuff. We’re a basketball school now.

    🙂

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  6. Hank

    I made a comment on Kwame not signing an NLI when this first came up and have seen one other post about it since and have seen no response to either. It doesn’t seem like uncharted territory to me, unless I am mistaken in my memory. (I get most of my information about that here) I like that we are taking the lead on thisand hope we embrace it and useit in our favor. If we can show the lead in the trust factor, I hope it will pay dividends. Go team!

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  7. DawgPhan

    I normally dislike everything that carvell does, but props to him for the interview and asking the right questions and getting solid responses. This is great stuff.

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  8. Lrgk9

    “When the morally right and the legally right coincide, I assure you – THAT Sir – is a coincidence.”

    Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr.

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  9. Total side note, but why in the world is a parent/guardian’s signature “necessary” on an LOI if the kid is 18 or older? What significance does age 21 have to a person’s ability to enter a contract? I’ll tell you – zero. That’s just the NCAA parroting colleges’ usual “in loco parentis” claptrap, as if college students aren’t fully-formed human beings. This is the underlying mental state behind why colleges and the NCAA believe they can get away with this stuff: they think these are their kids, parents know best, and they are taking care of things just fine, thank you. Ever heard this before? Maybe lords and serfs, masters and slaves, any form of indentured servitude?

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    • Gurkha Dawg

      Careful I mentioned slavery ending 150 years ago and was flogged for it.

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      • You weren’t flogged. Some took offense. It’s a terrible analogy that compares entering into an agreement to obtain a higher education with being kidnapped from your home country in chains, thrown on a ship in living conditions none of us can imagine, sold at an auction to the highest bidder as if you were livestock, and forced into labor where you saw none of the economic benefit. Oh, and, by the way, hunted down with dogs and likely murdered if you dared attempt to escape and were caught.

        Can you see why many don’t like that analogy even it’s used as an exaggeration?

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      • Yeah, I am absolutely not making an analogy between an LOI and slavery, and if my comment is being taken that way, please forgive me. What I am saying is that when an institution or culture decides that a class of adults are not capable of making their own decisions, or that they cannot take care of themselves, or that they aren’t entitled to the fruits of their own labor, it leads to a lot of very bad outcomes. An institution can find itself justifying a lot of things that otherwise would be considered outrageous, unconstitutional or immoral if it believes it is doing so for another person’s good – especially if it thinks the person is incapable of knowing what’s good for him. The problem becomes acute when the institution effectively serves as the gateway to the most popular sports league in the richest country in the world. Leverage plus dehumanization plus cash equals a bunch of adults being treated like children “for their own good,” which happens to be for the institution’s good.

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    • Debby Balcer

      Especially since parents have no right to see any academic record thanks to FERPA. Either they are adults or not.

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      • Can’t even see them if you’re paying the bill! I made it clear to my college student that next semester’s check doesn’t get written until the previous semester’s grades are in our hands.

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  10. Otto

    The only solution is to move signing day to after the NFL silly season ends.

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  11. I hope many student-athletes adopt this approach. It’s the only time (in the current system) they have leverage. If a kid knows where he wants to go and assure himself of a spot, sign the NLI. If you aren’t sure or want additional protection, sign the financial aid agreement and let the process play out. Freedom at work!

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