In for a penny…

The proper response to this from the rest of the P5 is:  “try it out first and let us know how it goes”.

In the meantime, those of you recruiting against Corch have some ammo.

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25 responses to “In for a penny…

  1. Cojones

    Like to know what some of you cfb gurus think is underfoot. Senator, do you get any vibes through your friends in far places? This has to do with more than “One and Gone”.

    Stretching this to cfb is loco.

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  2. Bright Idea

    Would freshman on “academic redshirt” still get the full cost of attendance stipend?

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  3. I Wanna Red Cup

    That white paper is FOS I am sure.

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  4. Cojones

    Why don’t we just ask Chubb fans?

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  5. 69Dawg

    Jim Delany’s White Paper on unilateral disarmament should be lining the bird cages of the other Power 5 conferences shortly. On second thought this could be just what the smaller conferences need to insure survival. The Power 5’s screw themselves out of the 4 & 5 star can’t miss recruits and the
    other conferences don’t go for the freshmen being ineligible and get the 1 and dones and the 3 and outs. This is a can’t miss opportunity for the smaller conferences.

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    • Cojones

      And that would change the FBS plus 1-AAs into dominant powers for one year and after that players could transfer back to the power 5s except, with the large number of schools voting in the NCAA against the power 5s, they would change the rule about transferring and keep them until the players are eligible for the draft. The polar reversal for some schools playing on the edge with no chips saved would ensue and, one-by-one, the Power 5 schools begin to not afford cfb and crumble into dust beginning with Auburn, the Big 10 teams plus others in the Power 5. The last schools standing would be in the rich SEC who weather the storm longer until it is down to – Georgia. Thanks to Greg McGarity’s frugality and the fact that the lone SEC IPF that was never funded, Georgia’s larder holds up until all the good players are coming only to UGA after their first year(by virtue of a “Smoke’em if you Got’em” rule established only at UGA by Richt”s prescience updating of the policy when the CFB White Paper came up for a vote) and Richt begins a long string of NCs by virtue of having the best players accumulated in the history of cfb. His would be a record for over 10 yrs except there would be no perfect unbeaten team among them. Almost by ritual, the Dawgs lose one game each year by some giveaway fluke to alternating rivals.

      Such is the future of cfb and so it is written.

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  6. If this is a step away from college sports as minor league, then I’m all for it. The nba, the NFL and 18-19 year olds who can’t read and don’t want to need as many reasons to find each other as possible.

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    • How does not letting a freshman play sports teach him how to read, exactly?

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      • It doesn’t. However, those players who have 0 interest in or capacity for academics may find that sitting around a college campus for a year and not playing is a waste of time. It doesn’t solve any problem except it may make those who see college as a necessary evil in between them and thier professional aspirations find other ways to spend thier time. If enough do, then you’ve got minor leagues as a feasible option for those who have zero interest in college.

        IF and that’s a big IF the idea is to re-order priorities then I’m all for this first step. More to go for sure, but the existing system where both sides use and exploit each other for profit while wiping thier ass with any conception of academic integrity needs to end.

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        • Freshman ineligibility is nothing but a half-assed attempt by schools to force the NBA to change its minimum age requirement. And of course it comes to bear on the most powerless point on the triangle – the kids.

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          • Derek

            Its hard to fathom that the NBA would feel compelled to respond by raising the age of draft eligibility. I get the cynicism for sure, I’m not sure how that plays out as leverage to the NBA. How is 2 and done superior in the eyes of the Big Ten exactly? Do you think that NBA is going to go to 21? Highly doubtful. Why would they? I just don’t see how telling the NBA that those kids at UK will be riding the pine makes them say “ok, we’ll wait another year.” I don’t see what another year does for the colleges in relation to the nba.

            I think that this has more to do with leveling the playing field among colleges than it does with the pros. There is an advantage to recruiting the best players right out of HS. UK is exploiting that. Take it away and maybe you can compete with UK tomorrow where you can’t today.

            There are similar dynamics in football. The way things are we’ve made it possible for fewer and fewer programs to win titles. I think that is what is driving the Big Ten here. The added benefit of disincentivising college for both the athlete who doesn’t belong there and the admissions department who knows it can’t be a bad thing IF you are tired of the examples of UK and UNC and also tired of Auburn never having an academically ineligible player….ever.

            For better or worse competitiveness in and among the colleges can be leveled most effectively by emphasizing academics. Reducing competitiveness is the effect of giving short shrift to the academic mission of the universities. I also think that we do high school kids a disservice by telling them that they can go to a great school if they can ball so focus on that because no one cares how smart you are.

            Colleges making millions off of kids that have no business on a college campus and where the kids don’t even want to be there is unseemly and it needs to stop. The public and the schools not caring about anything but athletics needs to stop. There is a professional league. Watch it. College sports needs to be completely overhauled and steered away from NFL-light.

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            • What about the student-athletes who do have business on a college campus as freshmen? What’s your message to them – can’t make an omelet without breaking a few legs, so tough shit?

              If you’re really concerned about this, don’t make freshmen ineligible. Institute admission standards with real teeth to them.

              But, again, I would argue that’s not what this is really about.

              The item was No. 7 on a 10-point list for NCAA reform ideas that Pac-12 presidents and chancellors sent their Power Five colleagues last May.

              7. Address the “one and done” phenomenon in men’s basketball. If the National Basketball Association and its Players Association are unable to agree on raising the age limit for players, consider restoring the freshman ineligibility rule in men’s basketball.

              Several conference commissioners say it’s time to consider making freshmen — or at least some of them — ineligible, again, for the first time since the NCAA rule changed in 1972.

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              • Derek

                Well, administrators do stupid things for stupid reasons and I don’t necessarily see the correlation, but that doesn’t mean that they haven’t invented one in their own minds. I agree that higher standards would be a much better solution, but I also l know that won’t happen. Even if what I am suggesting is an “unintended” consequence, if it forces some other options for some players and that leads to a minor league, that would be a healthy thing. We know that they won’t do it for its own sake, but I think that there is some notion out there that the rich will stay rich and you can’t compete with them that could trigger some reforms too. Again, whatever happens will be driven by self-interest no doubt, but its better than the path we’ve been on.

                As far as the kid that made 1300 and can ball sitting for a year, yes, that wouldn’t make sense but it doesn’t make sense to have a 21 yo drinking age for a lot of kids too, but there it is. I do agree that if the whole effort is to get more value out of kid who can play, that’s pretty horrendous. Just to make my position clear though I think that the colleges should play with the kids that got into the school through the normal academic process. You may give a very few waivers to each school but that’s it.

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                • You think they latched on to the NBA protocol as an excuse to tighten academic standards by means of a sloppy, overreaching rule for freshmen?

                  That would be stupid.

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                • Derek

                  No. I think it well may be a beneficial unintended consequence as I stated. I see that the Pac-12 made that connection explicitly, so its hard to argue with and I couldn’t prove that the Big Ten’s motives are any less perverse. I am hopeful that they are, but who can say for sure?. I agree that its sloppy and overreaching, but we do need to start somewhere, even if they don’t know that they are even starting.
                  If you were to begin to undo the advantage that some schools have in attracting the best talent straight out of HS without starting with tilting at windmills like raising academic standards, you could do worse. Whether the initiator of this movement has the motives of a Don Quixote or those of a common pimp I couldn’t say. I think our guess would probably be the same. In any event though, I see a long term benefit here if they get this done and the NBA doesn’t blink as they certainly shouldn’t.
                  And again to the extent anyone is “doing the right thing” it will be academics as a means of competitive balance not as good in and of itself. We already know that they don’t give a shit about academics. They do like shiny trophies though and if they want the ones that Bama and UK are competing for every year, going at academic reform would be a good place to start.

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                • I agree that its sloppy and overreaching, but we do need to start somewhere, even if they don’t know that they are even starting.

                  Absolutely. Because if there’s one thing collegiate athletic administrators have consistently demonstrated, it’s that they always achieve the best results for everyone concerned.

                  Honestly, it’s amazing to me how many times some of you are willing to let Lucy hold that damn ball for Charlie Brown.

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                • Cojones

                  What is there about that well-expressed Derek we sometimes get that puts logic, romance, and a damned good-reading imagination together for logical coherence.

                  Insert me into the ranks of Charlies. Lucy promises! A gut shot at Delany, the Big 10 and the NCAA that they rode in on.

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  7. Russ

    I’ll do my part. As long as writers keep this story going, I’ll keep clicking the links. Anything to annoy Corch.

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    • Can't remember

      Coach is stranded at sea right now. I’m sure he’ll be thrilled to learn what he’s missed when he gets back to the midwest’s armpit.

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      • Cojones

        The fog lifted enough for them to dock at Tampa Bay. They should be home by now. Maybe if we published Crier’s e-mail, twitter # or other communication avenue, we could all tell him at once what Delany has done to his team for the sake of threatening the NBA.

        How do you like it up there now, Urb? Ain’t it great when Delany’s Big 0 is going just ticketeyboo?

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        • Cojones

          Missed opportunity. Certainly DIF should have been contacted to get the time when the carnival ship of tOSU glad-handers and recruit-building alums docked in Tampa. He could then have a sign made and carried for all the recruits in the Tampa Bay area saying: “Nawth Don’t Exist. As people, we play ALL our YEARS!”

          Ditto for the Pac 12. Aren’t these the same two conferences who contrived to banish all other conferences except theirs from the Rose Bowl because the SEC candidates always were the winners?

          You know, they really do have their dicks in a wringer. And they double down at the blink of an eye! This is gone be gooood!

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