Stubborn is as stubborn does.

Jeff Schultz wrote something about the Braves’ recent change at hitting instructor that is worth pondering in the context of Georgia football.  No, really.

There was a week remaining in the last Braves’ season when hitting coach Greg Walker, worn down by too many strikeouts and hard-headed players, phoned team executive John Hart to announce his exit.

“He called me and said, ‘Uncle,’” Hart said. “He had done a good job here. I wanted him back, and I ended up bringing him back later as an adviser. But he said, ‘John, I’m done.’”

We’ll never know if Hart, now the Braves’ president of baseball operations, really intended to keep Walker as hitting coach, given that the club ranked 26th in the majors in batting average, 24th in on-base percentage, 29th in runs scored and fourth in strikeouts.

But Walker’s exit reaffirmed his former job can crush a man’s will, fry his brains and lead them to run screaming into the night, like the health inspector at a nuclear-waste repository.

Now, we’re talking about professional baseball players, men who earn a salary from their job performance.  Skip playing winning baseball as a team goal.  You’d think that listening to people whose jobs are to make you better in your line of work would be natural, given that bettering yourself will eventually lead to a bigger paycheck.  But apparently last year’s Braves team had its share of stubborn knuckleheads who reacted to that kind of support like a stone does to running water.

And yet somehow, there’s a chunk of us who expect college players, who are (presumably) younger, dumber and motivated by things other than money, to absorb their coaches’ direction and play at their peak, emotionally, mentally and physically, week after week.  Because if they don’t, you can’t blame an inexplicable failure to be prepared at, say, a game against a mediocre Florida team on them.  It can only be the fault of lousy coaching.

That isn’t to say that coaching sometimes isn’t the right place to point the finger, or that some players do have the internal stamina to show up every week regardless.  But while Mark Richt, durr, may be a satisfying explanation for the knee-jerk crowd, sometimes you have to take into account that kids will be kids.  Learning to listen is part of growing up.  At least for some.

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  1. That Florida game shocked the Bulldawg nation and proved that
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.” Not that Florida has no talent but Georgia certainly had more. Georgia got surprised by a few plays, unfortunate injury, and the Gators simply wanted it more.The guys in the stripe shirts didn’t help. But blaming the coach is always easier than blaming lackluster performance on the players. Coaches catch a lot of grief for calling their players out too.

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  2. Nate Dawg

    Why that fla game tho? I mean that’s got to be THE ONE TEAM that THE WHOLE TEAM knows not only them but their coach needs to beat the most. Maybe I’m being too specific here, but I’d argue that Richt has dominated tenn, awbarn, clempson and certainly tech, done well against sakerlina and also faired well against LSU, bammer, and the rest of the west. So how in the world did that egg get laid this past year?
    I don’t mean to sound too harsh, I’m a fan of Mark Richt. And I can’t imagine how hard it must be to focus a young man’s attention on something, much less 85 of them – and that being said I think Richt may actually excel at his job and not get enough credit for it overall. But how / why does it seem to creep in on not just the last fla game, but other fla games.
    Full disclosure here: I’m not a big fan of fla and am probably overreacting.

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    • Russ

      Just look at the context. That Florida was horrible the previous home game against a Missouri team we had crushed. While everyone was cautious, everyone also figured we would cruise because Florida had already quit on Muschamp. Obviously we were wrong.

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      • Cousin Eddie

        The players saw the film on uf and thought they had quit. Muschamp changed QBs to a player the guys believed in and this motivated the guys to play, while UGA didn’t know this until they had been punched in the mouth.

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      • Cosmic Dawg

        The other context is that UGA was still in the hunt for the SECCG / NC at that point. In fact, I believe that win would have clinched the SEC East, correct? So hang it on whoever you want – players, coaches, whatever. But not being “up” for that game does not compute.

        I sympathize with what the Senator is saying, but I think the coaches are on the hook for taking the temperature of the team throughout game week and getting their minds right if they’re not ready. If we’re not going to have the coaches share the blame for an unmotivated and unprepared team (the run game and Floyd come to mind), then what praise can we give coaches when they win?

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        • If we’re not going to have the coaches share the blame for an unmotivated and unprepared team…

          But that’s not what I’m saying.

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          • Cosmic Dawg

            I didn’t think you were letting CMR off the hook entirely, and agree that they’re volunteers and kids, not robots or paid employees. My larger point is that there was a helluva lot of “context” to that game and a lot on the line, and it was CMR’s responsibility to communicate that to his troops. It shouldn’t have been a matter of manipulation, there was enough on the line…but that team was not ready for Florida, although it was not SC 2013 – level weirdness.

            In fact, with your hitting instructor vs college coach analogy, one could argue it’s even more important to monitor and correct a young college football team’s mindset than the mindset of a seasoned, paid professional precisely because the football player presumably has less to lose.

            I doubt we disagree very much on this subject.

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          • I would say you picked a bad game to use to reinforce your point in the Florida one. And no, as much as I’d like to give credit to a previous poster that somehow starting Harris made the gators believe, he didnt do jack to contribute to that ass whupping.

            I’m not saying the players don’t deserve blame for reading their own press clips but that’s on the coaches too. The yech game on the other hand outside of the unfortunate final few minutes I might be willing to buy. Can’t blame the coaches for their star RB fumbling it while going in for a score twice.

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  3. joe

    Not going to argue with you, but the subtle nuances of a baseball swing are unlike anything else in sports. Those guys have to be physically more skilled than 99.9% of the human population, yet, when they are in the batters box, its the most mentally challenging thing in sports. And it is a daily grind for 6+ months.

    College football is a much better opportunity for rah rah antics to get a walk-on kid to play completely over his head for one Saturday afternoon to help accomplish a team victory that he will be able to reminisce about for the rest of his life. While kids will be kids, championship teams mange to get through an entire season without letting a game like uf 2014 happen to them.

    That we have at least one game year when we fail to show up, and we do not have the mental fortitude to turn the game around through sheer refusal to lose, and the fact that this has been a recurring dilemma for 14 seasons means that it’s not the players.

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    • While kids will be kids, championship teams mange to get through an entire season without letting a game like uf 2014 happen to them.

      Yeah? So how would you explain OSU’s loss to Va Tech?

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      • joe

        Ohio st had a chance to win at the end. They never quit like we did against uf.

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        • Ah. So much for “…the mental fortitude to turn the game around through sheer refusal to lose”.

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          • joe

            As bad as the west Virginia sugar bowl was, you just knew that despite how poorly we had played, if Shockley got the ball back in his hands, we were going to go down and win the game. The WVU fake punt was a great play by them.

            Certainly you can acknowledge the difference in our mental fortitude in that game vs. Uf last year, right?

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            • The issue isn’t what you or I perceive as a difference in mental fortitude. It’s that sometimes the fault for that lies with the players.

              Since we’re asking questions, do you seriously think after all this time that Richt doesn’t stress the importance of winning the Florida game to his players?

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              • Cojones

                The fault, dear Brurus, lies in the stars.

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                • Cojones

                  “Brurus” is drunken Roman slang for “Brutus”.

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                • Mayor

                  Apparently you are so drunk and/or stoned that you not only misspelled “Brutus” but you got the quote completely wrong, too: “The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves.” Why don’t you stay away from Shakespeare, Ballsy? 🙂

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                • Oh My! THIS is awkward!

                  Cassius:
                  **"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,*But in ourselves, that we are underlings*."**
                  Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)
                  

                  🙂
                  Finish the drill.

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                • Cojones

                  Damn, Mayor, you missed it. The quote was purposefully construed to mean our players (“stars”) were the problem in the game. This is not a tit for tat (I don’t even know tat) comeback, but you have made me feel better about my lack of reading comprehension (on occasion)

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        • That’s true, but that VT team was awful. To lose at home to that Hokie team should have disqualified them from the playoff.

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          • Macallanlover

            Particularly in an opener. You don’t overlook openers after an offseason and long summer practices.

            And to joe, how do you figure UGA quit against FU? They dominated Q1, lost their way for Q2 and Q3 (I think more to the loss of Andrews and an uptick in FU momentum) then fell short in a comeback. Bad loss, surprising result, but not a sign of quit.

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        • joe

          And VA tech’s qb played the game of his life. Stephen Garcia looked like Joe Montana one Saturday afternoon against Alabama. Those kind of flukes happen in college football.

          Uf did nothing special. Even their fake kick was so pathetically obvious that my wife was screaming “watch fake.”

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      • BC

        Good teams will have 1, one game a year where they don’t show up. And in the SEC you can overcome a single bad game. But MR teams have 2+ it seems every year (i.e. USC, UF, GT), Thus the continued knock on MR as a championship coach – until he proves us wrong.

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        • So every 2014 game Georgia lost was due to the team not showing up?

          The team showed up enough in Columbia to have a shot at taking the lead late to win and showed up late enough to take the lead against Tech. Both times they were undone by what I’d call coach brain farts.

          You guys who instinctively want to blame Richt for Georgia’s failure to show up as a team aren’t very consistent in your arguments. Which was the point of my post.

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          • Russ

            Actually they are very consistent. When OSU loses to VT, it’s because VT played fantastic and would have beaten the ’68 Packers, so it wasn’t OSU’s fault. When we lose, it’s always because Richt didn’t have the team ready to go. You know, like how he forgot to tell Conley to not catch a pass when there are less than 10 seconds left and you’re short of the end zone.

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            • Mayor

              Uhhh, you really don’t want to go there. That is exactly the reason why the coach is supposed to call for a spike in that situation–to get everybody on the same page. It is on the coaches when players don’t know what to do in a game situation and Conley didn’t know different so he caught the ball in the field of play when he should have knocked the ball down because he wasn’t in the end zone. I actually blame Bobo for that screw-up. To his credit CMR just wouldn’t throw him under the bus post-game.

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            • Macallanlover

              Dead on Russ. But your facts don’t fit the haters’ meme so they will regurgitate their mantra that, once again, shows how embarrassing they really are about football. That mayor in Mayberry could teach ours about 21st century football and he died long before this century began.

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              • Yes. Because having an arrogant attitude that your opinion is the only right one and that all others are “simply” haters makes you look like a genius right.
                I swear, I’m happy with the new hires and might even have a bit of a kool aide mustache but it’s the self satisfied arrogant pricks that refuse to engage in a rational debate that are IMO the real “haters”.

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                • Macallanlover

                  I am sure you know much more about “pricks” than I ever could. And IF your reading comprehension ever improved your would understand how totally stupid your comment is. You see, it is I that accepts there was more than one right answer (and usually is) but you missed that in support of the “if you didn’t spike it”, or the “you didn’t pooch it” you were wrong, and an idiot coach. You can’t even get which side of the argument you are for correct, so you have much bigger issues to worry about than attacking what I said. Childish and vindictive…and no clue as to why.

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                • I’d say calling people in general that disagree with you “haters” is pretty childish. And before you insult my intelligence perhaps learn to use spellcheck?

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                • Macallanlover

                  Son, I do not, and never have, objected to people having different opinions than me. The “haters” are the groups that simply turn/stretch every conversation into an attack on a specific player or coach…whether it fits or not. I could care less about your personal opinions, and when stated civilly, I will consider and discuss. On the other hand, I don’t dance with one trick ponies, if you have an agenda you will probably be called out for it for virtually everyone. Anyone who agrees/disagrees with everything anyone says is pretty much not worth having dialogue with. If you don’t think there are “haters” on this blog, you simply having been paying attention, same with those who support everything.

                  Fortunately for this blog the majority can discuss issues and learn from others, even modify their positions, and also credit the times they agree. Some cannot, so why waste time with them? Enough good posters to interact with so if you don’t care for my position ignore it and move along. And vice versa, you don’t like my opinion of your positions, just save your time for those you do respect. I really don’t care one way or the other. But as stated above, the one “locked into a single position” for years, was not me. If you have missed all that, it explains why you thought I was the one who didn’t see multiple sides of that issue. But you shot the wrong guy with your message, either deliberately, or by mistake. And I have no idea about your spelling comment, but you are right, I don’t proof read much of what I type because majoring in minors isn’t where I am at this point in life.

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          • Cosmic Dawg

            Yes, the team absolutely showed for SC and Tech last year.

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          • BC

            Do you think USC, UF, GT of 2014 were more talented than UGA? If so you have a point. If not, how do you explain the 3 losses to inferior teams. USC I can kinda give a pass. It was early in the season but the way they finished revealed they were not a good team. But MR has a repeated pattern for losing games he should not lose. And I agree with the coaching brain farts. One of the biggest problems I have with the coach is why the brain farts in year 14? Why the same (seemingly unmotivated) losses in years 10-14? I’m not one that wants MR gone. But I have stopped believing he can get over the hump. Maybe the stars will align – next year…

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            • So now we’re moving the goalposts from not showing up to merely being upset. What’s next, not winning with enough style points?

              But you’re not one that wants MR gone. Hokay. What do you want?

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              • BC

                Who’s moving the goalposts? You are making things up. If a team loses to inferior talent the vast majority of time it is because the talented team “did not show up”, especially in the SEC. I purpose that UGA did that 3 times last year (or at least with UF and GT). Or I guess you could make a case for being out-coached sometimes. I am not calling for a coaching change but I wouldn’t cry if MR was gone. I want the same all UGA fans want – to compete for champioinships. For the team to capitalize on all the talent that is coming to Athens.

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    • Gee memory is a fickle thing now isn’t it. Depends on your definition of refuse to loose I guess.
      Georgia 24-Florida 20 2011– We had just about run out of bullets at running back.. Richard Samuel was our starter and Brandon Harton was next in line at RB. Behind going into the 4th quarter, 16 to 20 a fg wasn’t going to get it done. We took the kickoff and drove the field for a TD. We managed to hold the Gators on a 4th&10 and again drove the field to get to the one yard line and seal the victory. RS III had a season high of 58 yards that day.

      Georgia 23 Florida 20 2013 With over 8 minutes left on the clock starting at their own 17 yard line Georgia drove down the field to inside the Florida 20 to run out the clock and take home the W. Florida had the number 2 ranked Defense in the SEC and number 8 in the nation.

      Yeah I can find a few examples of Georgia refusing to lose.

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  4. HVL Dawg

    What is going on? You are starting to sound like you actually appreciate Mark Richt.

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    • All I’m saying is that you can’t always fault Richt for players not being ready to play. That’s it.

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      • Macallanlover

        Shocking as it may be, there actually is a percentage of the responsibility that falls on the players….and on Saturday, the majority is on that group of 40+ players on the field. We can debate what that percentage is but how can anyone feel every loss is on the coach? I understand it is his W/L record that he will be judged by on a macro basis but really guys? Every loss? Not even a rational debate can be had on that subject with those who insist it is all the HC, OC, or DC. The game is scrumptiously more complex than that.

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        • Mac, I agree with you.

          But read the comments in this thread for a differing opinion.

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          • Macallanlover

            I know, we see it every week/day. It is our society’s continuing evolution to requiring a reason/person/cause to blame for every single result in life. remember when people died of old age? Not possible an more, we demand a culprit.

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  5. Biggus Rickus

    As others have noted, the problem with the Florida was not simply that they weren’t ready to play. It’s that they never got up off the mat. Those are the games that make me question Richt. There wasn’t one in 2013, and I thought maybe they’d turned the corner after the meltdown in Columbia. And then the Florida game happened.

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    • So how should Richt have gotten them off the mat, then?

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      • Biggus Rickus

        I’m no expert on motivation. I just know that most highly successful coaches don’t repeatedly have games where the team isn’t even competitive after a bad start, especially when they are substantially better than their opponent.

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        • So if it happens occasionally, it could be the player’s fault, but if it happens too frequently, it’s solely the fault of the head coach?

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          • Biggus Rickus

            No, I think the head coach is ultimately responsible any time it happens. His job is to recruit kids who buy into his message and motivate them, among other things. That is not to say the players aren’t at fault too, but it doesn’t absolve the coach.

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          • Mayor

            Senator, almost every season Georgia fails to show up prepared to play at least once, sometimes more. When it happens over a span of years, with different players, it is the fault of the coaching staff. When it happens over a span of years with different asst coaches too, it it the fault of the HC. Period.

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            • Far be it from me to argue with punctuation, but as someone else has pointed out, Georgia’s fought its way through other games in that same period. Whose fault is that?

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              • GATA

                Reading through this, I thought of a Forrest Gump’s parallel…Forrest’s quandary about life and wondering as Lt.Dan (Senator Blutarsky) said we all have a destiny (players can be at fault) and his Mom (Mayor) says it is where we are all just floating around like a feather in the wind (always CMR’s fault, period). Forrest (majority of UGA fans) terms it very well with this quote,”I think it is a little bit of both.” (Coaches and players both have room for improvement from time to time). Seriously folks, when faced with tough questions, seek the counsel of Forrest Gump. “You’ll never know what you’re gonna’ get”.

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  6. Bright Idea

    If you gonna’ blame Florida on a coach why not Pruitt? The defense was totally undisciplined that day and Pruitt seemed reluctant to dare Florida to pass. They shifted their H-back/TE to a slot blocker virtually every play and we never got control of the edge. Pruitt did man up after the game.

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    • Lakatos Intolerant

      Precisely. I think we just got gashed off tackle left for another 14 yards. Very weird game imo – we had an opportunity (or two) to go up 14-0 and didn’t take advantage; at that point in the game, I thought our offense was rolling and headed for a big day. Then a couple momentum swinging plays go against us, we find ourselves down 14 points and having to change our offensive approach to pass heavy. Don’t know exactly when it was but there was a point when I realized our defense would not be able to get a grip on the game to allow us to try and mount a comeback. Glad we can all relive this together.

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    • PansyTheDawg

      I think you’ve highlighted the difficulty of Richt’s job. It is difficult to get a bunch of 18-20 year olds to consistently listen and do as they should, but it’s still part of Richt’s job to do that. When the players fail to show up, whether or not Richt could have done much of anything else, Richt failed to do a good job that day in the same way that a fisherman fails to do a good job of the fish don’t show up. A good fisherman, however, is one that has fewer of those days.

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  7. Listening is one thing. Choosing to apply, risk, and grow is another.

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  8. Q

    I’ll bite. I think I’d say that cfb coaches are responsible for how players perform. A coach must prepare them to a) use the skills he teaches and b) execute the plays. If the players don’t play well, they are only doing what they were taught. And by “don’t play well,” I don’t mean lose, as they could just face superior talent. I mean not competing well against equal talent and making unforced errors.

    I don’t like the baseball swing analogy as it’s more technical and integral to the game than any single football skill. I’d rather argue about a cfb coach’s duty than get bogged down in a hitting coach comparison.

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    • I’m not arguing about responsibility. Mark Richt is paid a bunch of money to win games; if he loses enough of ’em, he’ll be gone. It really won’t matter why.

      The post is about how sometimes, no matter how hard you try, you can’t reach an athlete to make him perform optimally.

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  9. charlottedawg

    Except as opposed to the hitting coach for theBraves these key differences exist

    Richt builds his own roster. So if the players perpetually “don’t get it” Richt is either failing on the recruiting and/or evaluation front. And oh by the way if Richt and his staff have a guy(s) who just can’t get the job done they can go out and bring in several five star recruits to take their place. (The equivalent of several first round draft picks)
    when a kid makes a mistake you can chalk it up to an isolated incident, a lone data point that’s an outlier. Ditto for if a highly ranked team gets upset. When you get blown out and embarrassed in at least one game every year, and shooting yourself in the foot and mental errors are a hallmark of your team that’s a trend and a coaching problem.

    Success and failure at a big time college program such as Georgia is a direct reflection of the ability of the coaching staff.

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  10. I refuse to agree with anything Jeff Schultz says so….
    I would submit that the reason millionaire baseball players don’t listen to their team swing Coach is that they are millionaires and they have their own personal swing Coaches and there is a significant possibility they are getting conflicting messages. That may happen to college football players but not as frequently. These kids are properly coached but as the Senator is trying to point out ,you can only lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. We all screw up sometimes and kids FU more often….That’s da truff

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  11. El Dawgo

    So much about sports is the player’s psyche. Hitting a baseball, or a golf ball for that matter, is as much between the ears as it is mechanics.

    One issue that I see is how a coach effectively controls or reverses momentum in a team sport. You see coaches who use time outs, go no huddle on offense, or will intentionally slow their O down to gain/keep control. More than getting 85+ players on the same mental page, I think those in-game adjustments are more crucial to a team’s ability to win when they come out flat or seemingly unprepared.

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  12. Dudemankind

    Knee-jerk reaction crowd? Knee-jerking since 2001? That is some serious comedy right there.

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  13. BigAl

    It’s not that we didn’t want to play hard against the Gators, or that our coaching wasn’t up for it. It’s just that we always give at least two very winnable games away each year under CMR. It’s in his DNA to lose those. But before you crush me for that let me just say… I know….I know …”who else can we get that’s better than CMR”?

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  14. Mike Cooley

    Blaming Richt is an addiction for some.

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  15. W Cobb Dawg

    Maybe Greg Walker didn’t belong. But his problems can be laid at the feet of a management that insisted on playing BJ Upton and Uggla. Even when minor leaguers were given the opportunity to play, the batting averages went up significantly. Throw in a mediocre manager, and another perpetual hanger-on in Pendleton who contributes nothing, and is it any wonder you’ve got a team that underperforms?

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