“This is a great player with nowhere to go.”

The more I read about the story of FSU’s withdrawal of a scholarship offer to Brian Bell, the messier the whole thing gets.

But this part seems clear.

Touchton says FSU general counsel Carolyn Egan told the group of Bell supporters that “Florida State football players can’t spit on the sidewalk” without inviting media scrutiny.

Florida State has been accused in recent years of allowing its football program to act as a sort of private fiefdom. Quarterback Jameis Winston was allowed to play football — and win a national championship, plus a Heisman Trophy — while accused, but never charged, of sexual assault. He has been disciplined for stealing crab legs and crawfish from a local supermarket and shouting vulgarities in the student union. News media reports have described how athletics department “fixers” and local police smoothed over past cases of theft, destruction of private property and late-night vehicle accidents by other players.

Touchton says Egan made the point that intense pressure on the school related to Winston’s transgressions would mean immense scrutiny on Bell.

Yes, I’m sure being worried about the kid’s reputation is what was behind FSU’s decision.

Whatever the case, FSU coach Jimbo Fisher called McPherson the morning after the meeting with bad news.

“Jimbo was upset about it,” McPherson says. “He said it was the president’s decision and there was nothing he could do.”

Touchton was baffled by that decision.

“Why is Florida State willing to fight to the end of time for Jameis Winston,” she asks, “and not Brian Bell?”

The answer to that might be as simple as this: Winston is potentially the No.1 overall pick of the NFL draft, while Bell, according to Rivals.com, is the nation’s 47th-best linebacker in his class.

So Bell twists in the wind.  He’ll spend more time in the legal system than on a football field.

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133 responses to ““This is a great player with nowhere to go.”

  1. Scorpio Jones, III

    I notice we have not offered the kid, either. I have no idea if there is any guilt to be assigned in the Lowndes case. The Bell kid seems to have gotten caught up in a societal situation that is beyond his control. I hope that at some point he is cleared, officially, of any wrong-doing and comes to Georgia.

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  2. Scorpio Jones, III

    One other thought: It may be true NOW that FSU athletes can’t spit on the sidewalk without attracting media attention, but that has, clearly, not been the case in the past.

    And it is not media attention that is the problem.

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  3. So let’s make sure I’m clear on this; there is no evidence whatsoever that this kid murdered that poor Johnson boy, but because there is a DOJ civil rights inquiry (which of course is never politically motivated), his life is being turned upside down.

    Yeah, that seems reasonable.

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    • The article makes it pretty clear that the only legal action currently is a privately filed wrongful death lawsuit naming the prospect as a defendant. Was the failure to assess and communicate the facts correctly “politically motivated?” I know that the Feds have a horrible reputation in the south for ending slavery, Jim Crow and for attempts at de-segregation but you can’t blame this one on them.

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      • Scorpio Jones, III

        Derek…I don’t disagree at all with your sentiments about the Feds’ reputation in the south, but according to the article, the wrongful death suit is not the only current legal action.

        “But Michael Moore, U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Georgia, announced a civil rights inquiry in late 2013, and 15 months later the case is still being heard by a grand jury. “

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      • Bulldawg165

        “I know that the Feds have a horrible reputation in the south for ending slavery, Jim Crow and for attempts at de-segregation but you can’t blame this one on them.”

        Typical libtard BS. It’s absolutely impossible for anyone under the age of 50 to have even been alive during those times and yet it gets constantly thrown around to justify race-baiting simply because we happen to live in the same area where those acts/events occurred. I can’t think of any more obvious and unsubstantiated form of stereotyping than assigning guilt based on geography.

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        • dawgfan

          You are exactly correct! I was born in South Georgia in 1962, attended integrated Georgia public schools, graduated from an integrated Georgia college, and have lived and worked in Georgia my entire life. Never once have I witnessed or heard of a KKK rally, met/seen a KKK member, a lynching, or black denied access to a restaurant/water cooler/bus seat. I have seen a disproportionate share of black on black and black on white crime.

          Maybe it was the same murderer that killed the black kids in Atlanta back in the 70s. After all, Wayne Williams was framed and it was really the KKK! Somebody call Obama, call Holder, call Big Al, call Jesse! We need DOJ to send an army of FBI agents to Valdosta to find out what happened! Maybe if they can’t find out what happened they can at least issue a meaningless report shaming the white citizens of Valdosta for being white.

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          • I was born in 1969. Saw a klan rally in dahlonega, ga in 1985 or 86. Lived 25 miles north of cumming, ga when Hosea Williams marched in Forsyth county in 1986. Forsyth county and Dawson county at that time proudly had zero blacks living within its boarders. David duke came to fame during that incident and nearly was elected governor of Louisiana as a former grand wizard of the kkk. But yeah, no racism in our lifetimes in this region.

            Why the fear of facts and of the truth? My supposition is that those who deny this reality are more likely to BE racist than those who acknowledge and regret it. And it’s not about guilt stupid. It’s about understanding what people are capable of doing to their fellow man and why they do it. It’s about taking personal responsibility to ensure that you don’t engage in it. The current debate about connecting Islam to terror maybe instructive. I wonder where your sensitivities are about painting with too broad a brush are when it comes to labeling terrorism with Islam are? Is “southern racist” any different than “islamo-terrorist?”

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            • Bulldawg165

              Everyone here acknowledges and regrets those things, Derek. Your comments were out of line because you accused us of feeling otherwise simply because we thought the DOJ was unnecessary in this situation.

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              • Scorpio Jones, III

                Everyone…We…so now you speak for all of us?

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                • Bulldawg165

                  So you don’t wish those acts he mentioned never happened? I’m sure you do and are just being an ass.

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                • Scorpio Jones, III

                  What I wish or don’t wish has nothing to do with you saying you speak for everyone. You certainly do not speak for everyone here or anywhere else.

                  Typically, anyone who calls you on your bullshit you call an ass.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  I hope to god I speak for everyone here when I say we all wish slavery and Jim crow didn’t happen. If I’m not speaking for you when I say that then you are quite the piece of work.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  Maybe you should stick to baseless accusations about Jan Kemp, Scorpio. Like how you say she deserved to be fired by the University and then cower away when I bring up the fact that everyone in that situation with the power make that decision disagreed with you.

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                • Scorpio Jones, III

                  Please show me where I have said Jan Kemp deserved to be fired. Cite the post.

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                • Scorpio Jones, III

                  Well, I am waiting.

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              • I see far more denial than regret. Expressions of regret are met with hostility about being reminded and suggestions that the issues are so old as to be irrelevant to any discussion shortly followed by crime statistics suggesting that blacks are just criminals so that the racism that doesn’t exist would be justified if it did. In short, don’t piss on my back and call it a rain shower.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  There’s no fucking denial. That shit happened and it was wrong. I didn’t have a damn thing to do with it though.

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                • Why is your personal innocence anymore relevant than my own? Should you have to have personally killed a Cherokee to hear about the trail of tears? Do you have to have owned a plantation to hear about slavery? The immediate protest of “I didn’t do it” is common and frequent and irrelevant. Your choice to feel guilty or uncomfortable or to lash out is just that, a choice.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  All I’m saying is that people can disagree with the DOJ actions in this situation without being racists and wishing for the days of Jim Crow. Those events, horrible as they were, don’t dictate people’s motivations for skepticism today. To imply otherwise is asinine.

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            • Irishdawg

              No one gives a shit what you witnessed in your poor downtrodden Southern upbringing. You didn’t hijack a thread with a reeking bowl of race bait because of your intense dedication to social justice, you did it because you’re an asshole who wants to strut your preening moral vanity every chance you get. You assign a racist motivation to everyone one here who isn’t as left wing as you. That’s offensive, but it’s also boring and predictable, and proof that you’re a superficial thinker, not this brave truth teller that you fancy yourself.

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              • Bulldawg165

                Agree Irish.

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              • Yep my motivations are selfish and yours are racist and/or stupid. At least we can be open and honest about ascribing motivations. I thought such attacks on motive were the cause of the initial outrage. At least we are now past that “don’t speculate about someone’s motives” hurdle and we can address it head on.

                And tell those who said that they had no history of racism growing up in the south that no one gives a shit unless that indifference is as I suspect content based.

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                • Scorpio Jones, III

                  Since 165 speaks for all of us, I’ll let him follow up…as soon as he shows us where I said Jan Kemp should be fired…that should take the rest of his breaks at Burger King.

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                • Scorpio Jones, III

                  Coward…where is the post?

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                • Scorpio Jones, III

                  Just answer this simple question: Where is the post where you say I said Jan Kemp should be fired?

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                • Bulldawg165

                  You know damn well how hard it is to search through Bluto’s posts. You also know damn well what you said which is why you won’t answer the question I asked above.

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                • Irishdawg

                  You’ve got us all figured out, genius. The same lot of us that were effusively praising Chris Conley last week secretely hate black people because of we dont prostrate ourselves with guilt because of Jim Crow and the Trail of Tears or whatever historically illiterate nonsense you’re spouting.

                  Every word you write reminds me of this:
                  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TMTkedIUX8U

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                • Some of your best friends are black aren’t they?

                  Wtf does “guilt” have to do with anything? Looking at the sins of the past are instructive in understanding the present. That’s the value in not packing it away like some bad dream. These things happened. Understanding why they happened and why it became so accepted and why that past was and is so hard to put behind us is important.

                  As far as the smug hybrid drivers, I drive a 12 yr old truck, american made. It’s paid for and it runs. I could buy a 80k hybrid but I don’t want to.

                  Left wing lunatics are just as annoying as the ones in the right wing ones. I’m an equal opportunity misanthrope. I hate stupid so people are an issue for me. I am not an ideologue of any stripe. Sorry it doesn’t fit your perception. At the end of the day, people suck, I see it and I’m impolite enough to point it out. The people that suck like echo chamber and don’t want to be challenged on their BS. Too bad. You want me to stop? Quit being stupid.

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                • Irishdawg

                  Oh you are so full of shit. You used the thinnest of pretexts, which was my objection to Bells treatment, to imply my objection is based on race. When called on it, you go on an endless series of tedious missives about how ashamed we should all be because of sins of the past. You lamented how other Americans might not want to talk with you about how shitty America is, then actually used the Holocaust and Dresden in the same sentence as if they are remotely the same fucking thing. That not only makes you historically ignorant, it makes you morally obtuse. But you’re the wise truth teller, standing up to the man. Jesus, get over yourself

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  4. “But Michael Moore, U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Georgia, announced a civil rights inquiry in late 2013, and 15 months later the case is still being heard by a grand jury. ”

    That’s pretty clear as well.

    You seem to be saying I think Jim Crow and slavery were good things, so you can go fuck yourself.

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    • SCDawg

      I am not sure where you got that idea from or why. Chill out, Irishdawg, it’s almost St. Pattys Day.

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      • Uglydawg

        Read the last sentence of Derek’s 9:15 post. It’s a low blow. It’s just more of the same race-baiting that some of us are so f’ing tired of.

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        • And Im tired of people saying that the solid democratic south became the solid gop south for reasons other than race. The south was the home of populist progressives for generations. Then integration. The south didn’t become pro-wall street and and pro-business overnight. And you can be tired of the truth. Won’t stop me from telling it.

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    • If the grand jury was the issue, why was he recruited at all? 15 months is a long time. The lawsuit is what apparently triggered the w/d of the scholly.
      How exactly to do we know that a secret grand jury has gathered “no evidence” on the prospect? You know it’s secret right? Finally, as it relates to politics there ain’t nothing that happens with the police, the prosecutors or the courts (local, state, county or federal) that ain’t political. It’s ALL political.

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    • Uglydawg

      I understand you on that one, Irish. I don’t know anyone who pines for the days of Jim Crow and slavery and to insinuate (or flat out state) that resentment of those things being past is rampant in the South is an insult and un-helpful comment in any setting..esp a friendly sports blog.

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      • Scorpio Jones, III

        Ug, Just so you know, I agree with Derek that the Feds have a spotty reputation in some parts of of the south, and in some Southern minds. Some of this is based on the days of Jim Crow, some of it more recent, depending on your location and so forth (Missouri is in the SEC), so I did not take Derek’s statement as an insult, although I will if I am supposed to.
        🙂

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        • Scorpio Jones, III

          And I should proly say, that’s about the only fucking thing I agree with Derek about.

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        • Scorpio, I wasn’t born when segregation was around. I think both Jim Crow and slavery are terrible stains on our history. I have worked for the federal government in one form or another since I joined the Army after leaving Athens. But Derek, seer into man’s true nature, just knows that my objection to anything this DOJ does is an indicator of my pining for the days of Dixie lunch counters. Uh-uh, no fucking way, I’m not having it.

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          • Scorpio Jones, III

            Irish I was around then, before Bear integrated the South…you missed nada, believe me. I did not take what he said the way you took it, but as I am teetering on the brink of senility, maybe I missed it, there.

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            • Cojones

              Nope, you didn’t miss anything. I was going to jump in and agree with Derek’s first remark , but didn’t have to since you have taken it the same way I have. Agree wholeheartedly with you both. Why are people trying to wish away a possibility of murder? Try putting yourself into the victim’s parent’s shoes; then put yourself in Lowndes County. That grand jury hadn’t been hearing evidence this long because none exists. They are having to undo all the political shit that’s been dumped on top.

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              • Bulldawg165

                The case seems sketchy and questionable on all sides, that’s for sure. To imply that the reason an individual objects over the long process has anything to do with slavery, segregation or jim crow is utterly ridiculous though.

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                • Cojones

                  I understand your disbelief. Wish it wasn’t so, but the implications that Derek is making is just barely cracking Pandora’s Box of racism in this and many countries. We say these things because we recognize that they are horrible and we want to acknowledge them publicly to put the face of idealism back on the America that most all of us love and will fight for.

                  No matter our opinions, the old farts have seen firsthand and lived through much worse of what Derek says. The Ferguson Report ain’t shit when compared to what groups of self-proclaimed Christians have done against this country in the name of Jesus while wearing masks. Now, where have I seen this hatred recently using masks and religion as a reason to violate all our civilized sensibilities? Imagine how you would view the KKK if you were black, Jewish or even Catholic. It’s the same revulsion, but of a differing species.

                  I don’t hold your differences with Derek’s words to any of the words of the preceeding paragraph. I’m just trying to give you a perspective of where he is coming from.

                  Loved typing this because it’s given me more opportunities to end sentences in prepositions than I could have thought of.

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                • I’ll check you when you start using B as a verb. 😉

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              • Irishdawg

                Gee Cojones, I’m really glad you didn’t take offense at a thinly veiled accusation of racism that was clearly intended for me. That’s noble of you. I made what I assumed was a fairly un controversial opinion; that Bell is having his life turned inside out when there is zero evidence that he murdered Johnson and that’s it quite possible it has political connotations. I see you missed the part where the police say he had an alibi; lets go with the theory that Bell is some jock Count of Monte Cristo and murdered someone for something that happened two years prior and made it look like an accident.

                Then Derek, who assigns the worst motivations to those who disagree with him, asserts that my disgust with how this is being handled is because I’m bitter about desegregation. But YOU didn’t see the harm in that, so it’s all good.

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                • Cojones

                  When it comes to the central argument as to whether Bell is involved in the coverup or was part of the action, missing security film that has surfaced after the entire matter was “laid to rest” will do the talking. I’m sure there are pieces of evidence that none of us have seen but will be placed before the grand jury which is ongoing.

                  I simply agreed with Derek and having grown up in SoWeGa feel that I have an additional perspective to share. There are many things that I take pride in for that region, namely, the way that Albany handled the civil rights marches. I was an eyewitness to the march led by Dr King and how people were treated afterwards. Not a single injury could be attributed to the action of marchers, police and citizenry. It was the first substantial sized collection of people who were marching for rights they were given long ago that was peaceful. It demonstrated the patience and temperament of those citizens at that time. Ferguson , however has plenty of shameful faults that can be passed around to all parties.

                  I still remember the beauty of downtown Albany with it’s sidewalks of marble and the three square blocks of businesses phalanxed by palm trees galore. And it was a very busy place of crowded sidewalks in the 40s, 50s and 60s. My brother and I would go to see cowboy movies at the Liberty Theater on Broad St or , on special occasions, to see another type movie at the State Theater on Pine, but the Albany Theater was a marvel. It was built as an opera house with a covered arcade of over 100 ft leading into a grand marble lobby with a Tara-like staircase on the right leading up to the balcony and the opera box entries. The concession stand with popcorn machine was swallowed by the enormity of the chandeliered lobby. The auditorium seating was large enough to include the Liberty and State seating plus more. The balcony covered half the theater and was where blacks could watch segregated. Opera boxes were located to both sides between the stage and the balcony and were utilized for large civic productions of staged plays and musicals( my oldest brother sang in several). Crowes Drug Store, near the Liberty , was always a stopover on Sat where one could get an enormous banana split for 50 cents that included three scoops of differing flavors topped by candied walnuts, pineapple and strawberries, all topped with whipped cream and cherries. None of these wonders (seen through the eyes of a country kid) exist anymore. Downtown is bland and unexciting, while the palm trees (maybe one or two remain) and marble sidewalks are but a memory.

                  I’ve waxed nostalgic to describe the downtown Albany that no longer exists because the reasons for this are expressed through racism. When integration was being enforced, businesses fled to west Albany malls that rival Atlanta’s malls in size and scope that’s best described by the miles traveled on the bypass that skirts them. Whites still blame blacks and forced integration for that change and that saw a new large Civic Center built on the west bank of the Flint River and at the edge of what was known as Harlem Albany. Whites moved businesses physically to where it required travel from Harlem to visit, hardly worth the effort. Blacks blamed whites for their flight creating a bland, almost ghostlike, downtown adjoining Harlem. If you ask people in Albany, the attitude hasn’t changed much nowadays.

                  Irishdawg, if you had lived there at that time long ago, you could see with your own eyes what racism has done to a grand city known as the “Fastest growing city in the South” and almost weep. All due to racism that still rears an ugly head where civic matters are concerned. Efforts to stay apart remain as they do in Lowndes County and Valdosta. Valdosta St had no black students even into mid and late sixties. It’s all a tragedy and that’s what is meant by the words that Derek used

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                • Irishdawg

                  No, that’s not the words he used and not what he meant. He meant to imply that my anger at this situation is because Bell is white. He made a racial issue when there wasn’t one, and you’re giving him a benefit of the doubt he neither wants or deserves

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                • Actually I thought you were ascribing political motivations to holder because he’s black. A little different. To be fair we should be mindful of those issues and they may well exist but it’s a two way street. Most official racism travels in the other direction with far too little complaint in my view.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  I genuinely appreciate your perspective, Cojones. Thank you for sharing.

                  What I took issue with and what I think Irish took issue with as well is that Derek appeared to assign those racist motives to us simply because of our geographical location, though. Maybe he didn’t intend for it to come across that way, but that’s how I took it.

                  Your way of putting things seems much more reasonable.

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                • I was trying to suggest that doj had done some good (or bad depending upon perspective) in this area of the world and that some people’s hostility towards the gubmit was based in historical racial animus.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  Fair enough. Look, I’m sure you’re a good dude. When all one is doing is reading the words of another, it’s really hard to pick up on subtle yet important things such as tone. Your post came across to me as assigning those motivations specifically to Irish as opposed to pointing out their general existence (and I would be a fool if I denied that racial motivations exist in general). Maybe I was wrong and just misunderstood what you meant. If so, I apologize.

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    • Bulldawg165

      “You seem to be saying I think Jim Crow and slavery were good things, so you can go fuck yourself.”

      I agree Irish. I can’t stand libtards like that. Just because we don’t accept responsibility for shit that happened decades before we were even born (for me at least) doesn’t mean we approve of the actions.

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  5. “I know that the Feds have a horrible reputation in the south for ending slavery, Jim Crow and for attempts at de-segregation but you can’t blame this one on them.”

    Really? You don’t see any type of Ioaded implication in that statement? And where is the idea that the DOJ is simply beyond reproach now because of desegregration efforts 40 years ago? Hell, Aerosmith made great music in the 70s but that doesn’t mean their recent stuff doesn’t suck.

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    • For me the doj always sucks. Pushing a 100 to 1 crack to powder ratio for sentencing? I just think we have to be careful about ascribing political motivations only to certain things because they are all political. It seems to that the outrage tends to surface when the target is Caucasian. Three generations went by of 100 to 1 sentencing in crack without much of a peep about “politically motivated.” Believe me that more people that poor mr. Bell landed in that meat grinder. If you want to be sensitive about motivations and you should be, just make sure you’re equal opportunity. Otherwise you come off as a 1962 mississippi sheriff complaining “bout Hoover boys agitating our peaceful communities”

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      • No, my outrage has surfaced because no one with any sense thinks Bell murdered a kid in 2013 for a fight 2 years earlier, yet he still is the subject of a civil rights inquiry and a lawsuit, which has cost him a college scholarship. If a black kid was getting jerked around by something like this, I would also pissed off. Yet you feel entitled to address my comment in bad faith, and assume I’m just “sticking up for the white boy.”

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        • Excuse me my assumption if you find it unwarranted. Please share your current and race neutral concerns about the DOJ.

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          • I’m not missing your sanctimony there, sport. You don’t give a damn what my concerns with the DOJ are, you just want to assert that all I care about is that a white kid is getting a raw deal. You continue to come at this in bad faith, so go piss up a rope.

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      • It seems to that the outrage tends to surface when the target is Caucasian.

        Store owner robbed by Michael Brown and then his store is looted by supporters of Michael Brown. Neighbors and house torched. Brothers acting Caucasian I suppose. And why do we use that term anyway? Sounds like a shoe.Let me have a pair of the Caucasians in a 11D Any way they have done away with the terms Negroid and Mongoloid. Maybe there will be Euro-Americans one day. My father in law’s father was from Ireland. He never referred to himself as Irish American. Just American. My neighbor is from South Africa, his kids were born there. Teaches at UGa. His daughter was president of the African American group in High School. They went to DC for some award. There were a few raised eyebrows as she is a Caucasian but definitely African American.
        the Department of Justice has released a massive report on this, and it is just devastating to the witnesses who lied about “Hands up, don’t shoot.” We knew at the time it didn’t happen, and now none other than Eric Holder has made it official. “Hands up, don’t shoot” didn’t happen. Darren Wilson was entirely, totally justified in taking the action he took against the Gentle Giant. It is just overwhelming. It never happened. The witnesses who lied have been identified by number. The witnesses who lied have been refuted. It’s been confirmed how they tried to intimidate other witnesses who are telling the truth.

        Why can’t we just all get along? Football can’t get here soon enough can it?

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        • Some of the outrage is justified:

          But Darren Wilson was given the kind of due process that those of us who are often presumed to be gang members rarely enjoy. I do not favor lowering the standard of justice offered Officer Wilson. I favor raising the standard of justice offered to the rest of us.

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          • Uglydawg

            It’s never going to be a perfect world. Most of us have suffered injustices in our lives, but we didn’t burn down the town and steal and loot. I don’t give a shit what race you are..just act right and I’ll do my best to treat you right.

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            • Seriously? Have you read the Ferguson report?

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            • Derek

              We revolted against our King for far less than what most white people in this country expect black people to tolerate. As a proud American of Irish descent let me just say that our people’s means of dealing with oppressive regimes is much more direct and does not include non-violent resistance. Do you know what the IRA would do is a British prison guard who mistreated a political prisoner? Someone would walk up behind him as he was getting in his car to go to work and put a bullet in the back of his head. White people expect a MLK or a Gandhi or a Mandela to stand up for brown people. We have Bobby Sands and William Wallace and Michael Collins and George Washington and Nathan Hale and Sam Adams. Historically our people’s answers to repression is to kill it until it leaves us be. We expect brown people to do otherwise. Why? Racism. Now this is an intelligent choice on the part of the brown people because violent resistance would send them the way of the Indian in most instances. But I’m sure that with all that scalping and fighting over their land, they were just asking to be eradicated, right?

              All I’m saying is that its better to be fair and be clear in your thinking. Most people are far too reactionary and fail to see the hypocrisy that is so damn obvious.

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              • Scorpio Jones, III

                Most, Derek? Some, for sure, but most…I disagree.

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                • Scorpio Jones, III

                  Michael Collins….hmmm that’s the guy Irishmen murdered, right?

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                • Derek

                  Who do you talk to? Most people I run into think like Bulldawg165. They stick their fingers in their ears and scream when you confront them with facts. In their world the truth of history is a bad thing and shouldn’t ever be discussed IF it involves any suggestion that the group they belong to did something wrong yesterday. Any allegation of a wrong today is an “allegation” and probably a “libtard” lie from the “drive by media.” Something tells me that Bulldawg165 would be more than happy to discuss Pearl Harbor but would not question Hiroshima and that has nothing to do with dates on a calendar. He’d be more content to discuss the Holocaust than the bombing of Dresden. More at peace discussing Stalin’s purges than the trail of tears. Would find relevant today the repression of the Castro regime but not the CIA’s mining the harbors of Nicaragua. You know, full of shit. That’s what I find in most people of all stripes. Most people are ignorant and full of shit. I’ve been keeping a running poll. I would clarify that I do live in Alabama and have for the last 22 years so they may be somewhat skewed. .

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                • Scorpio Jones, III

                  Derek, baby, I can honestly say I don’t know ANYBODY who thinks like 165, and thank God for it. I lived in Alabama over 15 years during much more turbulent times in a relatively small town…most people just wanted to be left the fuck alone. Most people had a hard enough time making ends meet, not much time to worry about sociological arguments.

                  But if most people you know are that way, I feel for you.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  “I can honestly say I don’t know ANYBODY who thinks like 165, and thank God for it”

                  h/t to you too buddy 😉

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                • Bulldawg165

                  “IF it involves any suggestion that the group they belong to did something wrong yesterday”

                  So my group did those things just because I share the same skin color as them? Sounds pretty racist to me.

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              • Bulldawg165

                Black males are forty times more likely to murder whites than white males are to murder blacks. The statistics for forcible rape are even worse, but racism only goes one direction, huh, Derek?

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                • Bulldawg165

                  And of course, no response to much more timely facts. Typical of the cowardly simpletons.

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                • So sorry anyone inferred you were a racist. I mean stating that blacks are more prone to killing clearly suggests to you are open minded and fair. Connecting race to propensity to violence is clearly fair commentary. I wouldn’t suggest that whites are, based on statistics, more likely to commit genocide, but obviously you disagree. I think that people of all types are, as circumstances might dictate, prone to exploit people different than themselves whether those differences are race, religion wealth, status etc. obviously though you know white=good, black=bad. Why? Statistics. That’s not racism though right?

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                • Bulldawg165

                  I KNEW you were going to reply with an accusation of implying correlation equals causation, even though I said nothing of the sort.

                  I know your ilk. Pointing out white on black crime is AOK and anyone who disagrees is a racist, but if they bring up black on white crime to say that it goes both ways, they are a racist. We might as well bow down to your white hating holiness because we can’t win here can we lol.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  “Connecting race to propensity to violence is clearly fair commentary.”

                  It’s what you’ve been doing the whole time here, buddy.

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                • 40 times “more likely” is “causation” buddy. 40 times more often isn’t buddy. Likely means what it means buddy. You say racist things buddy.

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                • Bulldawg165

                  Facts are racist now, I see. Well, at least the facts that don’t back up your race baiting agenda.

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                • Just your race baiting agenda I guess. Assuming those facts are real what do they mean? Does it entitle you to be racist? What about the black people who haven’t killed anyone? That’s your defense as a white guy. Does that serve as defense for black people? Can they hear your stat and say: I haven’t killed anyone and you’re like well that’s checkmate or as I suspect are you a dumb ass hypocrite who changes the argument every two seconds to suit themselves.

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          • Bazooka Joe

            Hey, you fight with a cop and try to get his gun, you get what you deserve. End of story. Don’t care what color you are.

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            • I don’t disagree.

              But that doesn’t justify the documented widespread misbehavior by the Ferguson cops and court system. And I can understand why the locals would be pissed off about that, regardless of what color they are.

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              • Bulldawg165

                Maybe the next time a black cop shoots an unarmed white person they should scour the entire department’s emails. I’d bet they’d find at least one or two instances of black people using something along the lines of honkey, cracker, etc. over the past decade. Then us white people can pretend like the entire department wants to lynch us in their front yard.

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              • Cojones

                85% arrests of a 67% population can be argued by many as not being too out of sorts when you consider opportunity, unemployment, etc, but the heel placed on the 67% is what should be held accountable for all the other happenstance for such a difference. Most Caucasians can’t come to grips with that (at least in my family and childhood friend circles). It’s easier to blame the minority group and others seen as bending over backwards to help them, rather than seriously consider that prejudice has just been shoved underground, but continues in practice to be as deadly as ever. It will never go away until we reach deep into ourselves and view each person as being important to all of us.

                CFB is a great leveler of some of those prejudices because every fan can see all players as individuals who are important to our fandom. “Bulldog Nation” has no color differentiation because we can see the individuality of each player that supports our grouping. We must, for our own country’s survival as a political nation, view all persons with the same regard as we do our individual team members.

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          • Had not read “Gangsters of Ferguson”. Coates wrote it. It is consistent with the tenor of his other work. (Reparations) A lot has been written about Ferguson and Wilson. Not all of it is true. So there is that.
            I look at the picture of the shop owner and wonder how he survives this. Insurance has limits when damage is due to civil unrest or riots.
            It is interesting to note that black (African American) riots result in burned buildings and looting etc and are over perceived/real injustices. White (Caucasian) riots have similar results but are often over losing a football or hockey game …or winning one. OR Pumpkins for goodness sakes. It’s our world. We all live in it. I suppose we are all responsible for the shit that goes down here. Like it or not. But there are players on both sides of the color line.
            http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/04/spare_us_the_lies_about_the_late_hurricane_carter_mulshine.html

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            • Coates isn’t asking for money. He’s asking for a neutral justice system. Hard to see what’s objectionable about that.

              A lot of people are looking at Ferguson through the prism of race. That’s understandable. Me, I look at it as an abuse of police power and it sickens me.

              The police should see the citizenry as folks it’s there to serve and protect, not as a flock of sheep waiting to be shorn over and over again.

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              • Coates may be asking for a neutral justice system but I don’t see him as a neutral writer. I once, in my younger days was arrested in Barnwell, SC. I’m a NO NUKES guy. They (police)had pushed me into their car, my body ahead of my head. I took quite a shot to my eyebrow and nose on the door frame. I had a bit of a temper then and took exception to that DUCK warning after my nose was bleeding. Long story short version. My dad had to come get me. Originally he was angry at me. After he saw my face he was mad at everyone but me. That’s a switch you don’t want to flip. I wish I was 19 again. TGIF. Have a good weekend.

                http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/06/jon-stewart-ferguson_n_6815116.html

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        • Dog in Fla

          “Investigators determined that in ‘nearly every aspect of Ferguson’s law enforcement system,’ African Americans are impacted a severely disproportionate amount. The report included racist e-mails sent by police and municipal court supervisors, repeated examples of bias in law enforcement and a system that seemed built upon using arrest warrants to squeeze money out of residents.”

          That’s just the DOJ’s opinion. Why can’t it be like the Tallahassee Police Department and not investigate

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/03/04/the-12-key-highlights-from-the-dojs-scathing-ferguson-report/

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      • Savdawg

        Derek, why the outrage about crack vs. powder sentencing? Is it because you believe blacks use crack and whites use powder? Are you a stereotyping racist? And your comments about the Islamic terrorists not being related to Islam are ridiculous and asinine. Seems you are just a self hating liberal.

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        • Cojones

          Haven’t you heard of the now-old adage “Taking cocaine is a sign that you are making too much money”.? Crack is a poorer man’s cocaine. You can take it from there.

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        • Why distinguish if you aren’t trying to punish disproportionately? That’s political, racist and intentional.

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    • On March 21, 2014, in tweets released by Joe Perry, Joey Kramer, and Slash, it was announced that Aerosmith would be touring North America with Slash (along with Myles Kennedy & the Conspirators) in the summer of 2014. This followed a 17-date European tour that Aerosmith took from May 14 to July 2. The North American tour, known as the Let Rock Rule Tour, sent Aerosmith to 21 locations from July 10 to September.

      I saw Dylan in SC. Went with my son. His first Dylan concert. Music was great but Bob’s voice was gravel. Still had good time.

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      • Fair enough. If they play most of their sets from “Toys in the Attic” and “Rocks”, I’ll revise my statement. If they play those goopy ballads, then I stand by what I wrote.

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  6. Seems like this kid should have the right to a much speedier trial. His talents are perishable…so far even if nothing comes of the trial he loses. The NAACP is just Gloria Allred now–they are only ever there for the money and publicity.

    Aside from FSU’s inexplicable change in policy regarding football players in trouble…to me, the biggest surprise is that Reverend Al has remained silent. He must be exhausted from his time in Furgeson.

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    • Speedy trial rights begin at arrest. No arrest, no speedy trial rights. Also if you make bond no speedy trial rights unless you can show prejudice, to your trial not your life. You sports fans should look into cases that involve the rest of us. It’s really pretty ugly what they can do your fellow citizens if you look into it.

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      • Uglydawg

        I don’t think it would be fair of FSU to give this kid any more benefit of the doubt thatn they gave to JW. Treat them both the same…right?

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      • I have had enough run-ins with the law and I am already more cynical than I am comfortable with; so yeah…I’ll pass thanks.

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      • Cojones

        Derek, some of your football posts/dissensions seemed scratchy and rubbed me a little bit the wrong way long ago, but your posts of the last several months have more and more made a fan of me. Rave on, Brother Bulldog.

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  7. DawgPhan

    been a lot of “n-word” cousins thrown around in the comments section recently. Has the winter weather gotten you guys that riled?

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    • Uglydawg

      Who bought all this shit up? Most of us just hoped to read about and discuss college football. Somebody opened a can of “race bait”. Go back and read the whole thread and see if you can figure out where the problems started…I’ll give you a hint..it didn’t have a single f’ing thing to do with winter weather.

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      • Dog in Fla

        The thread weather system was dark and stormy broken up by scattered white clouds with intermittent bursts of sunshine.

        Forecasters knew that can only mean one thing…it’s time to stand by for some White Man’s Blues

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      • DawgPhan

        Doesnt really matter who brought it up. The use of charged language when describing african americans has expanded in the comment section recently. Regardless of your opinion, using those terms is uncalled for.

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        • Agreed –but shouldn’t you make your remarks known when the events happen. Given context and thread direction all are important and the nebulous nature of posting on the internet in general. Worst that could happen? someone says they don’t give a fuck. But seriously if it were getting overboard do you think Bluto would let that go on? He’s pretty liberal with not censoring stuff here but…I wouldn’t push certain things with him.
          just sayin’

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          • Cojones

            Oh? Really? Maybe that’s where I went wrong. 🙂

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            • NOOOOooooooo! Cojones! You didn’t wire brush the Senator did you? 😉

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              • Cojones

                I take responsibility for poor language selection of criticisms(?) of Bluto and he and World Press gets the credit for not throwing me off. They are both good about allowing off-target slights and horseshit in the name of free expression. They should be given full credit for allowing such even when it punches to their gut.

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        • Can white people say Nigger? Yikes!

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  8. W Cobb Dawg

    FSU isn’t the only college that plays football. I believe Bell has at least one other scholly offer. So it would seem he still has a great opportunity to get on with his life – scholastically and athletically.

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    • JTP

      Well, certainly it would be a great opportunity scholastically to move on. Florida State is literally and figuratively a clown college.

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