Holly Anderson tries to figure out how Alabama got itself into the pickle it did with Jonathan Taylor in this excellent piece, or, as Spencer Hall succinctly phrases it, “why the hell did Alabama even bother with Jonathan Taylor in the first place?”.
Spencer goes on to say “Because he’s good at football isn’t a good enough answer”, and that may be a start, but my feeling about why it did so is that the simpler truth is, well, because it could. When you operate in an environment where nobody questions your decision making, it’s not surprising that at some point you become imbued with a sense of personal infallibility. Sure, Nick Saban appreciated the talents of Jonathan Taylor and how those talents could benefit the Alabama program, but more than that, Saban believed he had the Taylor situation under control from the start, simply because he’s Nick Saban.
Saban is not a bad person. He’s not corrupt. He is shrewd and directs a program that has almost unlimited resources with which to operate at a pinnacle virtually unmatched in college football. Alabama recruits like nobody’s business. That’s both its glory and the reason bringing Taylor into the mix is such a puzzle to some.
Call Alabama a victim of its own institutional hubris, if you like. It’s as good an explanation as any.
And now that Taylor has taken his third strike, where do things go for Saban and Alabama? Holly pretty much diagrams the first play when she writes,
The Taylor episode will subside, at worst, into what will euphemistically be called a “distraction” for the football program. It won’t take long. That particular elision when we discuss these things, that inertia, takes hold so quickly, so insidiously. Difficulties, you know. By the time we all reconvene in July for SEC Media Days, Saban will be deploying that “I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed, but also mad” face full-time. He’ll rattle off whatever combination of word-pap he has calculated will get him out of that topic the quickest, in a tone of stern patience that says we should know better than to ask. And truth be told, maybe we should. We already know how much good it’ll do anyone.
And that, unsurprisingly, is where Saban quickly went at Monday’s press conference.
6:40: Saban on Jonathan Taylor: “I think it’s very unfortunate that the guy came here with some very specific guidelines and zero tolerance and obviously didn’t live up to that. While we’ve created many opportunities for players through the years, sometimes those things have worked out extremely well, we’re sad to say in this case it didn’t. We all take responsibility for that.”
“We all take responsibility”? As in the school as well as the player? Well, maybe.
Or maybe not.
Owning up to a share of the responsibility, it seems to me, would involve shedding some light on why Saban thought – really thought, not offering up some second chance bullshit about a football player who still had outstanding legal issues to resolve in Athens when Saban made the call – the decision to give Taylor an Alabama scholarship was a defensible one. Or as Hall puts it,
And yes, I’m pretty sure Nick Saban shouldn’t have touched him in the first place, but that’s not the repellent part of the conversation here. That the first question asked is: What is or isn’t in the interests of a college football program? That’s the move, to run to the institution and fret about its decisions and the reputation of the extremely wealthy men running this institution, and not about the people involved. That’s the nauseating thing after the act to me. It just is, and even after trying I can’t really even begin to articulate all the reasons why.* It just feels like failure in every goddamn direction, including this one.
Yeah. But that’s not the kind of thing a person immersed in a sense of infallibility is going to be forthcoming about on his own. I’m not sure Saban is even ready to be honest with himself about why he did it. And so at the presser, he ended the discussion in the only way he knew how.
Though I’m not sure the passive-aggressive handling of the media and the resort to euphemistic gobbledygook is going to be the end of this story, no matter how much Saban wills it to be so. Because there is still one wild card out there – the victim. And while Bill Battle nauseatingly equated her situation with that of her alleged attacker’s by hoping both could deal with the situation “constructively”, there are several ways for her to take his suggestion.
The obvious one being under advice of counsel.
The 6-foot-4, 335-pound Taylor is accused of choking his victim in the Athens case. According to Tuscaloosa police, Taylor’s 24-year-old female victim had “minor injuries to her neck from the assault” this past Saturday.
That has put Alabama, which went to great lengths to defend Taylor’s admission, at considerable legal risk. Taylor was dismissed by the Crimson Tide on Sunday, and it’s likely the university will take similar steps this week.
In the end, will it come to a threat of litigation? There are plenty of reasons in this day and age to think it never will – everything from local hostility (think how the FSU community reacted to the Winston matter) to taking care of business behind the scenes – but if she elects to pursue the school to hold it accountable for its poor judgment, and people like Saban and Battle face a future where both are forced to answer questions under oath in a deposition setting, trotting out the old standby “let’s move on” won’t cut it.
Which, ultimately, is why it’ll never come to pass. Infallibility sometimes has to be enabled. And if there’s one resource Alabama has plenty of, it’s enablers. Meanwhile, I guess we’ll wait for Geno Smith’s inevitable return to good graces and the starting lineup.
There’s something revealing about saying ‘125 players’.
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“It’s time to move on.”
Yep, when I screw up, I don’t like to talk about it either. He has no sense of accountability what so ever. Just pay me my money for winning and let’s move on past my mistakes. That’s just sad.
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Saban has been given a pass by the media since BEFORE he came to Tuscaloosa. He and his teams consistently get the benefit of high preseason rankings and forgiveness for in season losses. No way any other team that lost to LSU in the regular season gets a rematch in the BCS championship game. Anyone else would be taken to task over grayshirting and medical dismissals. I am not saying he is not a great coach, he is. He seems to get all the breaks Mark Richt can’t get. Maybe he makes his own luck. Or maybe the media just likes fellating him.
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Two straight years of November losses at home, both times they were a favorite, once by 17 points. And they still got to go to the BCS Championship game.
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People make mistakes and deserve second chances. But that doesn’t always mean it should be in football at a major college….
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“Call Alabama a victim of its own institutional hubris, if you like. It’s as good an explanation as any.”
Boss you have nailed it before, but this may be a new high in observational commentary…or whatever it is.
That slight scent of musk you get crossing the Black Warrior River? That’s Alabama’s institutional hubris.
Is it hubris if you can back it up?
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Bama took Taylor so Auburn couldn’t get him
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Apparently Auburn wouldn’t touch him. Gus said so…if you believe that.
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Actually this one is legit. I don’t have all the links, but back during all the major media coverage from the NFL incidents, Gus was quoted as saying something to the effect of “We won’t be associated with anyone with that type of background here”. Well sure enough a few weeks later it leaked that Taylor was going to be taking an official visit to Auburn, and Gus’s prior quote got tossed around in the media a bit. Then very quickly, it was reported that he would NOT be taking an official visit.
The cynical side of me thinks that Gus only squashed the visit because his prior quote got brought up by some of the media folks. But I’d like to believe for his humanity that it was always genuine, and he didn’t know Garner or whoever was talking to Taylor, and as soon as he found out he killed the idea, and would have whether it came up in the media or not.
Regardless, at the end of the day, Bama took a player even AU wouldn’t touch. I don’t think the significance of that can be overstated. Except it’s pretty insignificant in Saban’s mind, apparently.
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Thanks, and this just adds to the question of why in the world Saban took a chance with this kid when apparently, there was no desperate football need. It must of simply been, as the Senator noted, a case of institutional hubris/arrogance to assume that the stature of the coach and institution would be enough to keep this kids hands off a woman.
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She would never go after the University or Saban (publicly at least). Some money would be offered and exchanged before anybody caught wind of that.
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I think she will go after them if they don’t offer a settlement. Look at Oregon basketball.
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Pride goeth before the fall. The latter is scheduled for October 3rd, 2015.
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And you can bet this will be brought up again a number of times that week leading up the game in Athens.
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For whom does the “should’ve known better” mantra more aptly apply: Saban or the girl who dated a known woman beater?
Taylor is a scum bag, no doubt, but she can’t blame Saban for putting her at risk. Assuming the news articles I’ve read haven’t been misleading about their relationship, she played a large part in putting herself at risk, too. A lawsuit against anyone other than Taylor would be frivolous at best.
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How do you know what the victim knew about Taylor?
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Because she and her friends had access to Google.
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Just because somebody has access doesn’t mean they investigate. Is that her fault, too?
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So you honestly think she didn’t have any idea? All things considered, that just seems implausible to me.
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You and this guy should hang out:
“Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, issued a statement yesterday defending Father Benedict Groeschel, who earlier this week blamed child victims of pedophile priests for their rapes. Calling Groeschel’s service “heroic,” and his record “impressive,” Donohue claims Father Groeschel merely “hypothesized how a young person (14, 16 or 18, as he put it) could conceivably take advantage of a priest who was having a nervous breakdown.” Groeschel told the National Catholic Register that in a “lot of the cases, the youngster — 14, 16, 18 — is the seducer.””
And another thing. Why would a child hang out with jerry Sandusky in the shower unless he wants to be raped, huh?
Mr. Taylor is the obvious victim here. He didn’t want to choke the bitch but she wanted to be choked as is obvious by her choices. What else could taylor do? Was not choking the bitch an option? Perhaps but now you’re just nitpicking.
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I made it pretty clear that I considered Taylor to be the one responsible, far moreso than anyone else.
My point is that if we’re looking for a distant second, Saban and the girl are tied at best.
No go fuck yourself and troll elsewhere.
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“At best”? Hoo, boy.
So what you’re saying is that she (1) did/should have searched Google to find out whom she was dealing with and (2) in the course of doing her due diligence, ignored the statements from Saban and Alabama about how the situation was under complete control she would have inevitably come across.
Remind me never to seek legal advice from you.
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You’re implying a degree of due diligence that is cumbersome. All she would’ve had to do was pick up a local newspaper every now and then to figure it out. This wasn’t some big secret. He was currently awaiting trial for goodness sake.
I get your POV if she was a fling or one night stand, but that wasn’t the impression that I got.
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And he had a school vouching for his character. Quite publicly.
What I’m hearing from you are impressions and assumptions. Perhaps you might want to wait for more concrete information before judging her.
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Or perhaps we shouldn’t judge the poor girl at all and deal with the adults who’ve been put in charge of shit. This could be the same girl he beat up in athens. Why is that something we need to discuss or debate? We can’t micromange the decisions of strangers we don’t know. This isn’t about her accountability. She doesn’t have any. It’s about Saban and battles accountability, period.
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I’m not judging her as much as I’m NOT judging Saban to the same degree some of you are. Taylor would’ve hit another woman regardless of whether or not he played at Bama. All Saban did was cause the victim be, presumably, a UA student that we would hear about as opposed to some random girl.
I don’t hold him completely innocent, I just don’t consider him completely guilty. Hence he and the woman are on the same level, which is a far distant second to Taylor when it comes to responsibility for this mess.
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“Completely guilty” isn’t the standard Alabama or Saban would be held to if the victim elected to pursue a civil case against them. Nor would the victim be held to the standard of knowing that Taylor would act violently against her. If that were a given, there would be a lot of people liable for not locking Taylor up after his first assault and leaving him there.
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I’m not saying she’s legally at fault. I’m saying that you can’t date a woman beater and then act surprised when you get hit. If someone jumps out of a 20 story window, do they deserve to splatter across the pavement? Of course not. Should they realize that it’s a very likely consequence of their choice? Absolutely.
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Hell, at this point, I don’t know what you’re saying. I’m not sure you do, either.
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I’m saying a lawsuit against Saban would be ridiculous. She might win, but that doesn’t make it morally right. She played just as much a part in what happened as Saban did (which again, is not very much).
You couldn’t possibly have thought that I was saying a lawsuit against her would be appropriate.
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If she’s legally at fault, then her tort suit would be compromised. That’s what I thought you were saying in your first comment.
As for Saban’s part, this neatly sums up my feelings:
Needless to say, I’m not buying your “morally right” position.
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You brought the victim into the discussion. You have no one to blame but yourself. As far as Saban is concerned he’s an evil reptilian sub human who should be drummed out of college football. You can’t ONLY care about winning. Winning has to be the end of doing things well not “at all costs.” The latter isn’t winning, it’s rigging the system.
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“You brought the victim into the discussion”
Actually, Bluto mentioned possible legal action by the victim in his post.
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That’s true and I hope she’s litigious. Very litigious and unreasonable. And impervious to threats and payoffs. Burn it down!!!
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You’re in a hole, and you’re still digging….
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OK, I’ll bite…
What is the relative levels of responsibility each of the 3 parties, Taylor, Saban/Battle/UA, and the victim, take? You’ve said Taylor is far and away the most responsible and that Saban and the woman are on the same level, so what does that look like in your opinion? 80/10/10? 90/5/5?
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LOOK! Someone with reading comprehension. 90/5/5 seems high, maybe 96/2/2. What ratios do you think?
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Since you asked, I’d say somewhere around 100/0/0. I appreciate the vote of confidence on my reading comprehension skills. The issue is not that everyone else doesn’t understand what you’re saying (everyone around here has pretty decent reading comprehension skills). The issue is that they disagree with the 4% of blame you’ve split between Saban and the victim. I disagree too. We understand what you’re saying, so when we disagree with you, don’t fall on a lack of reading comprehension skills as the reason we disagree with you. We disagree with you because you’ve assigned some portion of the blame to someone other than Taylor.
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She should have known that Saban and battle’s “it’s safe to go in the water” statements were self-serving and bullshit. Should we blame battle and Saban for having made those statements? Well no given that they had no expectations that anyone would take them seriously. They were clearly stamped with a “this is all bullshit stay as far away from taylor as possible” disclaimer.
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Is the girl on a seven million dollar a year salary and placed in a position of great responsibility over a great number of people? I tend to think, and perhaps this is a minority view, that Saban and battle owe the community they serve more especially given what the community has given them. Of course, we could decide that a guy pushing a lawnmower is equally responsible for carbon emissions as the ceo of Exxon but that just sounds fucking crazy to me. I’ll think about it though…. Ok I’ve thought about it. I’ve concluded that you’re fucking stupid.
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Whatever dude. Saban wasn’t even around when Taylor committed his act of violence. Due to this, I don’t hold him directly responsible. You then made the claim that because one grown up isn’t held directly responsible for the acts of another grown up that I must condone the forcible ass raping of a child.
Seriously, go fuck yourself. And please never respond to any of my posts again. You have literally nothing to add here.
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Maybe bama should keep him on the roster then. Why not? His beating dalliances aren’t their problem right? They aren’t there. Not their responsibility.
I would refrain as requested but it’s obvious that you need someone to tell you that you are full of shit. You need to know…
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It isn’t about condoning ass raping a child. It’s using an argument from an absurd perspective to make clear that your initial premise is not logical and doesn’t hold up to critical analysis. Whether a victim is at fault for thier assault 1) is a tenuous proposition and 2) generally not relevant to anything. It certainly isn’t relevant here.
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“Whether a victim is at fault for their assault”
Your reading comprehension is seriously lacking. I’ve said at least three times that Taylor was far and away the person most responsible for this situation and you still don’t get it.
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Let’s be clear on the issue of responsibility:
1) the assault – Taylor. Only Taylor.
2) bringing Taylor to alabama – Saban and battle
I’m not saying that Taylor assaulted anyone because of Saban or battle. I don’t know that you could argue that they encouraged or emboldened it. I think that they should respect their place of the employment and the community they serve (and reap huge profits from) enough not to put winning a game over thier safety. For that failure in judgment and perspective, they are responsible. They are also responsible for all the “due diligence” bullshit they lied to us about when Taylor was signed.
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So, how many ‘aight’s did you count at the presser?
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Saban is sincere when he states that he is not apologizing. It’ll really get interesting when the legal proceedings start in the Classic City. It’s somewhat ironic to see an ex Georgia player defending an ex Georgia player/ex Copiah-Lincoln Community College player/ex Alabama player. Remember that there were also visits to Missy State and LSU before signing with Bammer. The West does it Best Jeepers!
Does anyone think that Kim will catch the ACC PoPo in some kind of error?
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I love that someone woke up this morning saw a thread about domestic violence and thought “I am going all in on victim blaming”
h/t
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You’re obsessed bro.
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And your reading comprehension is pitiful.
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Oh Lawd…it’s not even 10:30 and we’ve already had somebody imply that the woman that got abused should have known better. I sense this will be a nasty comments section today.
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And chalk another one up for failed reading comprehension. Jesus people, I’ve said at least a half dozen times that Taylor is far and away the one who is most responsible for this situation.
But go ahead, let your daughter date a guy who beats women and then act surprised when she gets hit. Don’t ever tell her that it is a bad idea to date guys like that, because that would mean that you feel like she deserved it and you would be blaming her. It doesn’t matter if you clarify over and over and over that the person who actually committed the violence is the clear, far and away #1 culprit. Nope, doesn’t matter at all.
Adult women should be viewed as naive children who cannot ever be counted on to make good decisions. Nope. Never. To imply otherwise is to say that they deserved what happened no matter how many times you’ve explicitly said otherwise.
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I don’t feel like getting into this with you because your head is clearly embedded far up your ass and it’s like talking to a wall. However, as the child of a woman that was abused, it’s not as black and white as you think this is. You can make good decisions and get abused. You can make bad decisions and get abused. The common thread that we need to stress is that the woman never deserves to get abused, no matter the quality of her decision making. I’m going to leave it at that and close this discussion with you because you clearly don’t get it and don’t understand the first rule of holes.
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“The common thread that we need to stress is that the woman never deserves to get abused, no matter the quality of her decision making”
You suck at reading comprehension.
“you clearly don’t get it and don’t understand the first rule of holes.”
Again, you clearly suck at reading comprehension.
“I don’t feel like getting into this with you because your head is clearly embedded far up your ass and it’s like talking to a wall”
Sure thing buddy. You suck at reading comprehension though. Hopefully me saying it four times will drive the point home, but I doubt it. You suck at reading comprehension though.
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Just maybe you suck at writing ability since the consensus is that what you mean is not what people are indeed standing from your written word. When people don’t understand you, troy resort to name calling and go f yourself.
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A consensus, huh? Why don’t you count how many times I specifically said that Taylor was the clear person responsible. Let me know what number you get.
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Nothing? Thought so Little Debby.
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Believe it or not I have better things to do then reread your posts. You have an inflated ego and attack everyone who does not fall lockstep into what you write.
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No, I attack those who twist my words in order to attack me. You being on a moral high horse is quite ironic considering I’ve never said anything to you until your personal attack above.
Also, if you don’t have the stones to back up what you say when I call you out on it then maybe you shouldn’t comment on my posts at all.
Move along now little debby.
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Ah the insults and patronization continue. You always itch for a fight. I won’t stoop to your level but I do have a question for you. How old are you?
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Are you serious? Before I ever said anything to you, you said this to me:
“Just maybe you suck at writing ability”
Ah but yes, I’m the one with insults and you won’t “stoop to my level” 😉
Move along now little debby.
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Senator, I thought you excused him from GTP……..oh wait
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It will be fun to watch though.
Each “clarification” digs a deeper hole.
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It’s not ongoing anymore. Bluto, Derek and I are done. All that’s left is just a couple of internet trolls like you and AuditDawg reading stuff that isn’t there and conveniently ignoring things that don’t fit with your trolling agenda.
Seriously, dawgphan, stop following me around like a lost puppy. It’s pitiful.
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People who disagree with your controversial opinions are trolls, eh? That’s one way of dismissing legitimate argument.
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Show me where I said she deserved it or was the primary person at fault, Bluto. Make sure you overlook the half dozen times I’ve pointed out that Taylor is the #1 person responsible, too.
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Show me where AuditDawg said you did.
What he said that as a general rule of thumb, the discussion should begin with that in mind. I’ve already pointed out the shaky ground you’ve chosen to occupy with some of your comments about legal fault and moral wrongness.
If you’re being misunderstood, maybe you should pay more attention to the way you express your position.
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“Show me where AuditDawg said you did.”
My troll comment was in response to DawgPhan. See his post at 10:02.
” the discussion should begin with that in mind.”
Of course it should begin with that in mind. Once we progress to blaming someone who wasn’t even present for the actions of another adult it gets a bit ridiculous, though.
Your opinion, and that of several other commenters on this blog, seems to be influenced by the fact that this happened at another school and not UGA. After all, I doubt anyone around here extended blame to Richt when Sanders Commings got arrested and charged with domestic violence. If he would’ve been accused again before charges being dropped, I doubt all these commenters would be on his case about it then, either. It’s all “our coach is a good guy when he does these things, other coaches are bad guys when they do them”
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Sorry, I must have misunderstood you when you posted, “All that’s left is just a couple of internet trolls like you and AuditDawg…”.
And if you think my opinion is influenced by it being Alabama involved and not UGA, I’d say you have some reading comprehension issues of your own to address. I’ve never had a problem lobbing blame at Georgia when it’s deserved.
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You’re not as bad as some commenters, but you’re much quicker to question the integrity of other coaches than you are to question Richt’s.
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If you read my post carefully, I didn’t question Saban’s integrity.
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The Alabama media interviewing Nick Saban = MSNBC interviewing Barry Obama.
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Where is the President of the University of Alabama? What about the admissions folks? Saban has been clear this was a group decision. Someone should have stepped up and said no- that should be the President of the University if his AD and admissions folks didn’t have the guts to do it. . But alas, no one has the guts to stand up to Saban at Bama and this is what happened. As to the victim, she is just that, a victim who did not deserve to be abused. Not at fault. Not second at fault.
Not third at fault. Just not at fault, period.
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“Where is the President of the University of Alabama?”
Great question. There is little accountability in cfb. The administration is on the bandwagon when there’s a novelty check to be handed out at halftime. But when something bad happens they’re nowhere to be found.
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I question the parenting ability of anyone who thinks it’s wrong to talk to your daughter about avoiding men with abusive pasts. Too bad that upsets so many of you.
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That’s very noble of you. Thanks for the advice.
But I can tell you as the parent of three daughters that not everything you tell them sinks in, at least not at first.
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This is a complicated issue. My strong suggestion to anyone with a daughter is to ensure that she has as much self-esteem and self-respect as she can be given. People who have self-respect know that they don’t deserve to be abused. That is the challenge. We beat girls down from every angle that they are deficient in some way or unworthy or should be ashamed of themselves or whatever horseshit it is that parents throw at them and then we wonder why they become strippers, drug addicts and stuck with losers and abusers. A directive to avoid abusers won’t be effective if she thinks that’s what she deserves.
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Abusers don’t first present as abusers or no one would fall into their trap. It is not until after they have a woman hooked that they slowly start their abuse. It is usually words first and then physical. So even women raised right and with great I initial self esteem can be drawn in. Abusers are usually very charismatic at first.
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“My strong suggestion to anyone with a daughter is to ensure that she has as much self-esteem and self-respect as she can be given.”
As offensive as it sounds to some around here, addressing the reason(s) why women tolerate it is likely the most effective avenue of prevention. “Educating males about the wrongness of hitting a girl” and other feel good, idealistic garbage is pretty pointless. Guys who hit their partner already know that it’s not socially/morally acceptable. They still do it though because they don’t care and they don’t have self-control.
But alas, I guess I’m just “victim blaming”
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With all due respect, sir, your initial post did not mention anything about talking to your daughters to avoid abusers. You just said the girl “put herself at risk” and that the “shoulda known better mantra” might apply to the girl more aptly than Saban. I realize your superior reading comprehension skills and all, but that does sound like “victim blaming” to me. I think thats what started all of this. I don’t want to rile you up but if you go back and read the string again, it looks like you did not know when to stop digging and now can’t find a way out. Just my opinion. I do not mean this as a personal attack.
I do not know if this was the same girl as the one in Athens or not. But, I cast no blame on either.
Taylor is clearly the primary one to blame. But, Alabama allowed a known abuser to attend school, putting at risk their female students. There is a consequence for that, and I for one hope they have to pay the price.
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Watch yourself buddy!
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I don’t agree with a lot of your premise in the other posts but this is a good post. A lot of these people like to feel morally superior so they are enjoying this. I don’t believe in blaming the victim but I also know that this place overflows with touchy, freely, beta male bullshit. It ain’t worth the key stokes dude. And they’ll say things to you here that they would never say in person.
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This is the best comment so far ^^^ WTF are you talking about?
I understand the basis of what you are trying to argue – that girl was dumb for dating a person with a record of domestic abuse? You assume she knew that, or that she did it anyway, or whatever. It’s not unheard of for that to happen, and (probably?) more so with athletes. I don’t know enough about domestic abuse statistics to intelligently comment, and my guess is that you do not either.
What makes it so hilarious is the jump to YOU’RE BAD PARENTS BECAUSE YOU DON’T AGREE WITH ME.
As someone claiming to be a good parent, you have an astounding lack of contempt for the administration that invited someone with a felony assault charge on to their campus full of 17-25 year old women living alone.
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Today I learned that it was wrong for Richt to not kick Sanders Commings off of the team until his domestic violence charges were settled and that if Commings had additional charges brought up during this time frame that Richt would’ve been directly and personally responsible.
Ah, to be a college football fan blinded by allegiances.
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Jesus, give it a rest, dude.
You haven’t convinced anyone here that you didn’t step in a giant hole with your initial argument.
Suck it up and call it a day.
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Fine. Whatever. I stand by my comment that a girl who knowingly dates a woman beater did more to cause herself to get beaten than a guy who gives him a scholarship though. You lawyers can examine the chain of causation all you want and there’s no other logical conclusion so long as you’re capable of removing your emotions from the situation. I guess it’s not politically correct to assume that adult women are capable of making adult decisions though.
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It isn’t about being not politically correct.
It’s about not being an asshole.
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Slow clap
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Amen
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good grief, still talkin bout this for how many hours, let get back to x and 0’s and football, this ain’t no judge or jury seat on this blog. we wasn’t there, we don’t know the whole story. saban didnt do nuttin illegal or didnt break da law.
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Not that I think it is relevant, I do not think we know this particular woman “knowingly date[d] a woman beater.” I live with 5 women, and while I am an obsessive college football fan, and attend about 12 UGA games a season, none of them, 3 of which qualify as adults and thus dating age, have no idea who Jonathan Taylor is, that he once played for UGA until he got kicked out for being charged with choking a woman, and that he was later allowed to enroll at Alabama to play football until he was charged yet again for this offense. They have no interest in UGA football, the SEC, NCAA, etc and thus no nothing about it. Now we can question my association with this otherwise lovely group of young ladies, but I suspect they are not alone in their ambivalence and ignorance in all things pertaining to football. When my good friend Senator Blutarsky, who is much calmer and reasonable than me, gets exasperated such that he says: “It’s about not being an asshole,” you have to realize that the person to whom he is addressing the comment has indeed, been an asshole.
And realizing that I, myself, am an asshole, I mean this in the nicest way.
Let’s not assume the victim in this case knew of Taylor’s history. Even if she did, she bares no blame. None. Nada.
Looking forward to my bourbon and Justified tonight!
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Why don’t you ask those 5 women if they would do so much as google a person’s name before going on a date with (much less getting into a serious relationship with) a stranger. Then maybe you’ll see why I think Taylor’s girlfriend knew. I bet the results are 5-0.
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I admire Coach Nick a lot, sure does know how to win. None of us were in the office with em, so let’s withhld judges, ok folks? Our coahc has been said same stuff about him soem years, for those with elephant memories.
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shhh, we can’t judge Richt with the same fervor we judge other coaches. We might lose some moral victories!
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you been yappin bout this since 8:30 this morning. Let it go. coaches arn’t sainsts, espec those win as much as nick has. you bored, or what, that’s alot of postin rght dere.
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