The two faces of Greyson Lambert

Honestly, I think we’re about at the proof is in the pudding stage with Georgia’s newest scholarship quarterback, so there really isn’t much left to be said until we start getting camp reports in August.  However, I thought I’d leave you with a couple of posts about Lambert and Virginia football for you to ponder until then.

Over at Glory, Glory Georgia Blog, you can find a look at a few clips from what might have been Lambert’s best day last season, albeit in a loss, against FSU.  Now this is some cherry picking – believe me, you don’t want to see any clips of Lambert’s brutal game against UCLA – and you’ll see some good things.  Lambert displayed good footwork and decent pocket presence against the ‘Noles on his touchdown throws, and his height is an advantage.  But the placement of those throws leaves something to be desired, as did his choice of target on one.  (Watch them all and ask yourself where Aaron Murray would have put those passes.)

And keep in mind for all the good Lambert did in that game – 220 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT – he still finished with a so-so passer rating of 132.51, mainly because he averaged an anemic 6.3 yards per attempt and only completed about 57% of his pass attempts.  And that passer rating was his best of 2014 against a D-1 defense.

I won’t deny there’s something to work with there, or that the coaching Lambert received in Charlottesville is more than likely to be surpassed in Athens.  But it’s hard to look at those clips and envision an overnight transformation in time for the season opener.

If you want to look at the bigger picture, statistically speaking, Bill Connelly, as usual, is your man.  I’ll just let Bill’s summary of Lambert speak for itself.

Offensive coordinator Steve Fairchild is a pro-style, balance-at-all-costs guy. That’s not the most exciting approach, but it can work if you’ve got the pieces.

And in Lambert, it seemed like he had a heck of a quarterback prototype. Lambert was a big four-star whose every move screamed “pro-style.” And he was only a sophomore, so he had plenty of time to grow into himself. But he simply didn’t play as well as lanky, less-touted Matt Johns, and the offense didn’t move as well.

  • Lambert: 5.7 yards per pass attempt (inc. sacks), 4.2% INT rate, 3.3 yards per (non-sack) carry
  • Johns: 6.5 yards per pass attempt, 3.1% INT rate, 7.3 yards per carry

Johns overtook Lambert on the depth chart this spring, and Lambert transferred. His raw potential earned him a spot at Georgia that his production certainly couldn’t have.

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31 responses to “The two faces of Greyson Lambert

  1. TennesseeDawg

    Never has so much been said about a 3rd string QB

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    • Forget it, Jake. It’s June. 😉

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      • Dawgoholic

        Who knows what will happen. If he can get us in the right play and make the right post-snap reads more often than Ramsey and stretch the defense better than Bauta, he may be our QB.

        We don’t need a world beater at QB this year. We just need a guy to get us in the right play and make the defense pay when they load up to stop the run.

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        • All I’m pointing out is that expectations that he’ll be a contributor come the season opener may be a tad optimistic.

          He’s got at least as much to clean up in his game as Ramsey does.

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          • Dawgoholic

            I still would bet on Ramsey. Before Lambert though, I would have said 85% Ramsey, 10% Bauta, and 5% Park. Now I’d say 55% Ramsey, 40% Lambert, and 5% Bauta.

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          • mdcgtp

            I think anyone who is saying definitively that any of the three QBs will be the starter (i.e., a contributor in your parlance) either has some information source within the program OR is being a tad optimistic about that QB’s chances. Given that it seems likely that the coaches don’t really have a clear view, i would bet the latter is true. thus, we can dismiss those comments out of hand. The more salient question is what did we get with Lambert? Based on the limited information we have, my answer is another QB with the physical tools to be an SEC QB…no more, no less. Unfortunately, it take more to be an SEC QB than physical tools.

            I think all we can really say with conviction about Lambert is that he is a large framed QB with good arm strength and decent mobility and has experience that has produced very mixed results. We don’t have much on any of his personality, work ethic, etc. While he was a “3 star that signed with UVA”, there was not a lot of difference between he and Ramsey in terms of rating. Ramsey was 5.8, and Lambert was 5.7. 10 QBs were rated 4 star or better in Lambert’s year (he was 22). In Ramsey’s year there were 20 (he was 14). If anyone thinks there is a significant difference between those two rankings, they are foolish. They were both ranked based on the arm strength/frame as opposed to high school productivity.

            As for what he did at UVA, I don’t know what to make of his fully body of work or statistics because UVA is just plain awful. Recall Matt Ryan had a high INT rate at BC because his receivers got little to no separation, and the overall lack of playmakers required him taking chances for BC to score. Russell Wilson went from a 17:1 TD/INT ratio his frosh year to 28/14 by his junior year. His last year at UW was 33:4. To be clear, I am not saying that Lambert is Matt Ryan or Russell Wilson, but context matters. If he is coachable and has skills beyond just an ability to throw a fastball, he has a chance to win the job and be a good QB. But again, its a chance. No more. No less. The important thing is we took the chance and have swapped out a toolsy QB with a high upside who was seemingly a poor fit with our coaching staff with another toolsy QB who at least benefits from having a bit more life experience to draw upon.

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  2. Spike

    Color me unimpressed, so far.

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  3. ball security, ball security, plays smart, no mistakes=Bauta.
    The wealth of talent found in Ramsey possibly Lambert, may be like playing poker with Bill Hickok or AL Capone as your partner. One will help you win, and the other may get you killed. My .02

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    • Cosmic Dawg

      I don’t know a dingdang thing about grading quarterbacks, but from the stats, other player comments, Bauta’s interviews and work ethic, etc, I am really rooting for him. Give that Brooklyn kid a chance!

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  4. Scorpio Jones, III

    None of this quarterback conversation will matter if the defense can not stop a power running game. Gee I wonder if Steve Spurrier, even in his dotage, might have seen the Florida film?

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    • Cosmic Dawg

      Do you not feel the film from the SC game was enough to go on? They were playing a lot of football on us, running the football so we could not catch them and also passing the football to each other. 🙂

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      • Scorpio Jones, III

        Yeah, and you know, he’s a great kid, a really good running back, but that ball security issue…I hope that’s a freshman thing, there. 😦

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  5. Macallanlover

    Not expecting this addition to be a savior, but it cannot hurt at all. Why not roll the dice and add depth? As said above, wish camp started to get the discussion off the theoretical and subjective blocks. We will know soon enough and the young man has a lot of homework to do to get the ground close to level.

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  6. When you look at this objectively what has really happened here? We traded a redshirt freshman with no experience for a seasoned veteran with 9 starts and even more games played. Lambert is likely a back-up but he’s a more experienced back-up. This improves depth at the QB position.

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  7. PTC DAWG

    I’m glad he’s on the roster.

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  8. JJBA Loves John Forbes

    Bauta is the man.

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    • Macallanlover

      Hope you are right. My gut tells me you are right, I like his versatility and he may not have passed Ramsey yet, but he does seem to have closed the gap in everyone’s mind. I have no personal dog in this fight so may the best man win out. Very confident that the right decision will be made, and everyone will get an objective look. What else can you ask for?

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  9. Otto

    I’m not concerned about yards per attempt or QBR. Bama won the ’09 title with a QBR of 140.5 and 7.7 yards per attempt. I am more concerned about the OL especially Center, and RB depth. I want a QB that takes care of the ball, and an OC that doesn’t have him looking predictable.

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    • Otto

      I will add the ’09 stat that the QB also only had 4 INTs

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    • WF Dawg

      Otto, I agree with you on OC and RB depth. On the latter, if Chubb were to be lost early, that would change the whole complexion of the season for me. Michel is good, but not terribly durable, and how much Marshall will contribute is anybody’s guess. I wouldn’t hitch my wagon to Douglas, and Turman hasn’t seen (non-scrimmage) game action yet. Crowder is also an unknown against college competition. Chalk it up to years of listening to Munson, but I see cause for worry.

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  10. Derek

    I call him “Bird Dog.” Dude stares down the receiver. A team playing any type of zone is going to eat him up, unless he changes that. No wonder he’s a turnover machine.

    There’s some things to work with, but he’s got a long way to go.

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    • Mayor

      I agree with your analysis Derek. Lambert has got to stop staring down receivers if he is going to be successful. What I saw was a little bit different, however. The UVa O-line is just awful. UVa had no rushing attack to speak of either, although that is partially the fault of the O-linemen, too. An O-line that bad would make Bart Starr gun shy. Lambert had little time to go through progressions and pick out a receiver. That’s why he’s staring down receivers. He’s only got time to look at the first one, then throw the ball. He does have decent mobility. I didn’t see a really strong arm, though he may have one given time to throw. With a better O-line in front of him Lambert could be a decent QB. But a really good QB? I just don’t see it, at least not yet. CMR and Schotty have a project on their hands. Maybe they can work their magic and Lambert will turn into something. With all this sh!t there must be a pony somewhere. 🙂

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      • Uglydawg

        Since the DBs will be expecting him to bird dog his reciever…if he’s clever he can use that to get other people wide-open. Old trick. You only need to make it work once or twice and the DBs will back-off that tactic.
        Stare-down…pump-fake and hit the guy left open by the ploy.

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        • Uglydawg

          “i before e except after c ” = receiver . ( I know it’s excused here, but we don’t want to be like Sting Talk)

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  11. Dawg Balls

    Can’t wait for 2016 kickoff. Wake me up then.

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  12. Uglydawg

    I was thinking Greyson was the UVA QB that was picking FSU apart until a FSU defender planted their helmet into his chinstrap, knocking him out of the game. It was a viscious, late hit, and should have ended in an ejection and suspension of FSU (IMHO), but I don’t remember it even drawing a penalty. Yeah, I’m fuzzy on this, but if anyone else remembers, tell me.
    Was it Lambert?

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  13. 69Dawg

    Mr. Obvious here to remind everyone that even a very good QB’s becomes mediocre when the offensive line is awful (see the Atlanta Falcons). All we really know is that given his supporting cast, he was unable to carry the UVA offense on his back. Given the chance with a good offensive line and great RBs he might just transform into the next Matt Ryan or not. At least he has been under fire. Ramsey didn’t show me much in the bowl game but then he probably didn’t think he was going to see the field. I think the coaches will have several scrimmages and at least two games to figure it out. Thank goodness we are not opening with Clemson this year. ULM will give us a pretty idea how it’s going to be, they have beat some P-5’s before.

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  14. sportsguru95

    I’ve watched some film of the guy & think he can play @ UGA! I’m no expert, but I’ve played the game, & I’m a student of the game! Lambert was a. QB that was in a spread offense, & plays called didn’t fit his skill set on some of his ints! When he was allowed to survey the field he made some nice throws! I think with Chubb in the backfield he won’t have to do as much! The run game is gonna have WRs facing a lot of man! He can throw it deep accurately, something that Ramsey struggles with! Bauta is who I think will win the job, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Lambert, because of expierence, relieves somebody in the South Carolina game! I’m excited about the competition @ the QB position this year, because nobody pushed Mason last year!

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