Laremy Tunsil, and waving red flags in front of the NCAA

Ole Miss fans, I speak from sad experience:  bad things can happen when TMZ is on the mother.

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UPDATE:  Chill, everybody.  Just chill.

To continue the metaphor, maybe Ole Miss has called in Winston Wolf.

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53 responses to “Laremy Tunsil, and waving red flags in front of the NCAA

  1. Skeptic Dawg

    While there appears to be a ton of smoke currently surround Ole Miss, Hugh Freeze and Tunsil, I feel certain that zero will come of this. Ole Miss will deny any and all wrongdoing and the NCAA will not be able to find anything.

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  2. JCDAWG83

    Auburn showed everyone how to handle the NCAA, deny everything and tell them to go to hell and they won’t do a thing to you. I think every program but Georgia learned from Auburn and Scam. Ole Miss will tell the NCAA they have investigated, found nothing and consider the matter closed. The NCAA will do absolutely nothing.

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    • DawgPhan

      Yeah Cecil Newton wasnt talking to the NCAA. Not even close to the same thing.

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      • JCDAWG83

        Unless stepdad comes up with a receipt or deposit record or something tangible, Tunsil and Ole Miss will deny anything improper occurred and tell the NCAA to prove it or leave them alone. I hope Freeze and Tunsil and Ole Miss get taken down, but I’m not holding my breath.

        Anything goes in the SEC West.

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        • Chi-town Dawg

          I agree with you JC. I think that unless the stepdad has tangible proof, it will be very difficult to catch them because it will come down to “he said, she said” and no way Ole Miss admits to anything of significance. They may agree to a minor infraction of him accepting a ride with an agent in order to make it quickly go away, but can’t see much more.

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    • Brandon

      I personally hope Georgia never models anything after the way Auburn handles its “business”. If you like the way the WarTiglePlainsMen conduct themselves… please, go buy you an Abuurn hat and relentlessly pester them about how poor a coach Gus is.

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      • JCDAWG83

        I wish the NCAA would have dropped the hammer on Auburn and made an example of them. The NCAA determined Auburn paid Cecil Newton but “Cam didn’t know about it”. What a crock. The NCAA should have made Scam ineligible and forced Auburn to vacate all the wins in games he played and given them the death penalty for two years for stonewalling and lying.

        I don’t want to do anything like Auburn, but they did pretty well force the NCAA to back down and showed them to be a toothless lap dog. If you don’t think the rest of the SEC West didn’t notice, you haven’t been paying attention.

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        • The NCAA determined Auburn paid Cecil Newton but “Cam didn’t know about it”.

          Far be it from me to pick nits with a good Auburn bashing, but that isn’t anywhere near the truth. The NCAA never found any wrongdoing on Auburn’s end. They found that Cecil Newton 100% solicited payment from a Miss State booster in exchange for his son’s services and Cam Newton knew nothing of it. Due to his son’s ignorance and the way the rules were written at the time, Cam never violated any rules. There’s a reason the revamped NCAA rule around agents acting on behalf of a player is known colloquially as the “Cecil Newton rule”. Post-2010, another Cam situation would cause the school he played for to forfeit anything won with said player.

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          • Silver Creek Dawg

            My beef isn’t with the NCAA in the Cam Newton escapade, it’s with Mike Slive and the SEC. This exact scenario is prohibited under SEC bylaws; Birmingham swallowed their tongues and did nothing about it.

            Way back in the late 80s when I was recruited in a low scholarship sport, every SEC schools I visited told me I was responsible for any illegal activity on my behalf whether I knew about it or not.

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            • Mayor

              ^This. The SEC rule, as written, applied to a family member soliciting funds for a student athlete to attend an SEC school. Automatic suspension of the player. To this day I do not understand why Slive and the rest in B’ham backed down.

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              • JCDAWG83

                I would bet that if Auburn had a couple of losses at that point, the SEC would not have backed down. Auburn was in the thick of the MNC race and losing Scam and/or forfeiting those games could have cost the SEC many millions of dollars.

                The reason Slive and the SEC backed down was money.

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              • 79Dawg

                The reason is 6.1 inches long, 2.6 inches tall, green, and folds up in your wallet….

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          • Macallanlover

            I heard the NCAA compliance official say directly that money/gifts solicited by an agent, or relative on a player’s behalf was a violation. She said so in a press interview, I think at the SEC meeting the following spring. Her comment was taken to mean the player did not have to be involved, or aware. And it did not have to occur at Auburn, the MSU incident would make him ineligible. Of course, we all saw how that was blown away.

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            • The defense that was used by Auburn is that the language in the NCAA rule book did not declare that a parent could be designated as an agent. That is the loophole that was closed after the Newton fiasco. Like it or not, the Newtons got away with it because of a loophole in the rules.

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            • Mayor

              Correct, Mac. The solicitation by Cecil Newton of funds to be paid by Missy State meant that Cam should have been suspended even if no solicitation took place with Auburn. (We all know damn well it did, though.)

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          • JCDAWG83

            My only question about all of that is; why did the NCAA suspend Scam for a day if he broke no rule? Not trying to start an argument, but I really want to know why they took any action against him if he broke no rule.

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            • If I’m not mistaken, technically, the NCAA didn’t suspend Newton. Auburn did, and then immediately petitioned for reinstatement.

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            • mwo

              If I remember correctly, it wasn’t the NCAA who suspended Scam. I’m pretty sure it was Auburn who declared him ineligible the Monday of the UGA game week. They then applied for his reinstatement and received it.

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            • The Senator and mwo covered it. Auburn suspended Newton as part of their internal investigation and asked NCAA for reinstatement which was granted the next day. The NCAA never took any actions to suspend him. The NCAA only stated that it agreed with Auburn’s self-investigation findings that no rules were broken (per the loophole that I quoted above) and that he was eligible to play.

              No worries – all our memories are a little hazy from that week. I know that sometime around the 3rd Fairley spear, I went on a pretty strong bourbon regiment and the rest of the game is a bit fuzzy for me. 🙂

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              • The sheer speed in which the ncaa responded to their request is baffling to me. They sure seem to drag ass when its a UGA player.

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                • mwo

                  That is why I lost any faith I had in the NCAA last year. Based on the speed with which they reinstated Scam Newton, I thought Gurley would be reinstated after UGA applied. But Hells No! Additional games suspensions after dragging ass on the decision for the better part of a week. F the NCAA!

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              • SouthGaDawg

                Anybody remember the name Dave Didion? This may help to answer any un-answered questions regarding NCAA’s decisions on Cam Newton. It is always nice to have a homer as the NCAA’s enforcement director when your star player’s ass is on the line. Funny how he left the NCAA and moved back to Auburn just 3 months after Scam got his Heisman and the MNC!

                http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/062713aae.html?wappref=std

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      • PansyTheDawg

        I hope UGA never conducts itself like Auburn, but I also hope we’ve learned to handle the NCAA differently than we have in the past. Our program has seemed to have changed a decent bit since the end of last season. Maybe how we handle the NCAA has changed too.

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  3. DawgPhan

    Seems like the step dad is ready to burn this thing to the ground. The willing witness is a nice card to have for the NCAA. If the stepdad took any actions to gather evidence as leverage then the NCAA will have no problems burning Ole Miss. A copy of a meal receipt or a cased money order would probably be enough.

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  4. georgiajeepn

    Just shows how different things are in the SEC. Ole Miss is denying from the start anything is wrong and they will stick to their guns. Innocent till proven guilty. At Georgia no one believes any player in anything. You are guilty till you prove yourself innocent if you possibly can. Now UGA has had more than their share of guilty acts by players so which philosophy is better? The one where you back your players no matter what or the Georgia way where you lose lots and lots of starters to other teams? If the ultimate goal is a national championship nice guys finish last.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      Agree. Nobody, I mean nobody, caves in to the ncaa faster or more completely than us. See Gurley, Green, Houston, etc.

      And I don’t see our complete lack of backbone as some asinine badge of honor. Gurley was denied his constitutional rights – thanks entirely to the actions of the people who were supposed to have his back.

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      • Mayor

        It’s even worse, Westy. I am convinced that McGarity threw Gurley to the wolves to save Jack Bauerle, the UGA swim coach who was under investigation by the NCAA at the time for academic fraud. A corrupt bargain was made, IMHO, whereby the NCAA went light on Bauerle in exchange for Georgia’s complete and total cooperation in screwing Gurley.

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        • Irwin R. Fletcher

          ….put down the foil hats for a minute. Plausible deniability doesn’t really work if you have video evidence of the kid breaking the rule.

          But I guess in a mind-set that sets up conspiracy theories like those above, reality doesn’t really offer a constraint on possibility.

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          • Mayor

            Irwin, they had a video of a black guy with braided hair from behind with no shot of his face. The “dealer” had lawyered up and wasn’t talking any more and the NCAA couldn’t make him. That’s all they had until McGarity handed them Gurley on a plate. At the time I thought there was a deal in place to only hold Gurley out for 2 games because of how McGarity was acting and the statements insinuating that Gurley was going to be reinstated quickly. I now believe there was a deal in place–but not benefiting Gurley.

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            • Irwin R. Fletcher

              “had a video of a black guy with braided hair from behind with no shot of his face”

              Signing Todd Gurley memorabilia.
              Sounding like Todd Gurley
              Wearing Todd Gurely’s watch.
              With a statement from the video’s creator that it was Todd Gurley.

              But sure….the right move would have been to deny that was Todd Gurley and instead claim that it was another ‘black guy with braided hair’ signing Todd Gurley memorabilia. I assume part of that would be to claim that the Florida fan memorabilia dealer had only signed up to be a memorabilia dealer in order to lay in waiting until the right time to set up a fake signing scheme to get at Georgia. That’s probably exactly what happened. He probably already knew McGarity from his days at UF. They probably had a code name for the operation so that when McGarity needed a cover for a coach like Bauerle, he could send his embedded memorabilia dealer into action to help cover up the problem. Has ANYONE checked McGarity’s cell phone records? Are they Facebook friends? THIS GOES TO THE HIGHEST LEVELS!!!!!!

              Actually…now that I think about it….I don’t expect someone who apparently lives life in a self-created, plausable denial of reality to really understand the concept…so this whole line of comments actually makes sense.

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              • Mayor

                Don’t be silly. All I’m saying is that instead of aggressively defending Gurley like he should have McGarity rolled over and played dead to appease the NCAA for Bauerle’s benefit. If you can’t see that McGarity had a conflict of interest and acted accordingly…then you just can’t see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Wonder

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                • Irwin R. Fletcher

                  So the person who claims the person in the video who is clearly Todd Gurley may not be Todd Gurley is chiming in with really poor taste ‘blind’ jokes? It would be ironic if it wasn’t just sad.

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  5. Ole Miss Folks down here are behind him all the way! Sometimes a Man gotta do what a Mane gotta do. Sons take care of your Mama’s. It is a Commandment from God. Good Stepdad’s and Step Sons are behind Tunsil all the way. Proud to have you in the SEC, Laremy. GATA Laremy!🏈

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  6. DaddyRichATL

    Totally different from the Gurely situation since it happened in the middle of the season. Ole Miss has the luxury of backing their player without the threat of forfeiting any games he played in.
    Spare me the AJ Green fiasco, The NCAA has Green’s bank statements so there was nothing Georgia could do about that one.

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    • The only reason the NCAA got Greene’s records was because it asked after interviewing him in the wake of the TMZ Miami story – which it turned out was nothing in his case – and he politely turned them over.

      Tunsil’s stepdad, at least for the moment, is a willing witness.

      You never know where the shit is gonna lead to.

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      • Scorpio Jones, III

        I notice that, apparently, Tunsil’s mother and step-father live in Mississippi.
        Interesting. Moved there from Lake City, Florida. Wonder why they moved?

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        • Dog in Fla

          So they could Leave It to Beaver?

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        • Reggie Bush

          Where do they live now? Do they own the house where they live? Who paid for it? What are the circumstances surrounding the purchase/lease of the property? If leased who is making the lease payments? What about the cars they all drive? I have an inquiring mind and I want to know.

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  7. VoxDawg

    Firing up the popcorn.

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  8. Beekerdawg

    The stepdad has spent all the original Ole Miss recruitin’ money. He is looking to get paid again or he shall start talking.
    If he talks Tunsil probably doesn’t play this season and his stock value only rises and the Tunsil family gets paid on draft day. If he doesn’t talk, the Tunsil family gets paid…
    The Tunsil family wins either way.
    In my black helicopter theory, I think the agents are drumming up this stuff for the high profile players – crab legs, autographs, exploring Oxford neighborhoods with agents….
    Somebody just needs to get paid and this will all go away. Also ESPN ain’t goin’ to let the cash cow go down…

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    • Mayor

      I don’t agree that an OL at Ole Miss is a cash cow or even that Ole Miss is a cash cow for ESPN or anybody else. ESPN would break the news themselves if they could get more viewers and more advertising revenue because they did it. I seem to remember a whole lot of coverage on ESPN about Gurley, and AJ Green before him.

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  9. SJ

    Please. Another internecine Mississippi rampage involving fists to coconuts. There are only three things that were unusual:
    1. No known firearms were involved
    2. The cops WERE called
    3. No mention of a weekend, a national holiday, or an escalade SUV.

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  10. doofusdawg

    Laremy, did you take $100,000 from us… “no sir”.

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  11. All this went down in front of Lindsey Miller’s biological son.

    Every now and then a Dad won’t back down.

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  12. Dog in Fla

    “We take obligations to the NCAA and SEC very seriously,”

    So seriously that we put a lot of time and effort into making that statement:

    julio, sixth starter ‏@JulioNievasFC 4h4 hours ago
    @Riley_Blevins @DanWolken A professional statement typed on iPhone’s “Notes” app lol

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  13. Wilhelm Grimm

    “LaTunsil, LaTunsil. Let go my hair!”

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  14. fred russo

    We live for the day Freeze is fired!!!!

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