Another day, another whine

Gus Malzahn has his complaint with the CFP; Art Briles has his.

Geez.  If the playoffs are going to reduce every coach in America to behaving like a petulant seven-year old, then either give us a strictly objective field (conference champs need only apply) or go back to the BCS.  Have a little dignity, fellas.

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35 responses to “Another day, another whine

  1. ChilliDawg

    Geez… What a novel idea… Conference Champs. Oh, oh… what about ND??? What’s that Gary? Get ’em into a conference you say???

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    • Saxondawg

      Whining? Sure, but I look on it as working the “refs.” Like Spurrier did before he played FSU for the national championship. He whined and whined about the nasty, unsportsmanlike FSU tacklers, and sure enough in the big game he was in the heads of the tacklers and the refs alike. If Briles et al talk enough about “old brand names,” it becomes a Thing and that plays to his advantage. Whining is just what we do in Mass Mediamerica.

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  2. 8 team play-off based on end of season rankings. Anyone outside of 8th has no room to complain. This ensures the top 5 teams get in.

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    • Anyone outside of 8th has no room to complain.

      You’re kidding, right?

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    • Anyone outside of 8th has no room to complain.

      Sure as shit doesn’t stop anybody out of the top 68 of the basketball tournament from complaining.

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      • Otto

        no kidding….. I’ve said it before you want to include the teams that really belong the Top 6 with the top 2 getting a 1st round bye. It would create drama for the press to talking about, yet well include more teams.

        Baylor and TCU have a point, Ohio St wasn’t a top 10 team. Virginia Tech does beat top 10 teams.

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        • Otto

          *doesn’t

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        • JCDAWG83

          The problem with that is you give instant credence to the people who “pick” the top 6. I don’t want a system where any committee or poll or computer subjectively decides who gets to play for the national championship. If you limit the playoff to 8 conference champs, everyone in the playoff will have to earn the right to be there on the field. No one will be able to whine that they “deserved” to be there but were overlooked because of their name, history, school size, traditions, etc.

          Will there be teams that somehow “back into” their conference championships, yes. Will there be upsets where an obviously lesser team beats a better team in the playoffs, yes. Still, this seems to me to be the only way to have a legitimate national champion.

          Ohio St last season would be an excellent example. They lost to Va Tech, but went on to win their conference and win the playoff. In my system, winning the conference would be the foremost objective at the beginning of the season, the OOC games wouldn’t matter so better matchups could be scheduled without fear of a loss derailing the ultimate goal. I honestly can’t see a downside.

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          • Otto

            The problem with conference champs is you destroy the out of conference scheduling. I am very much against that model.

            You also give credence to a B1G champ being worthy of a playoff birth just by winning their conference. I don’t see an upside to the conference championship model other than diminished regular season, diminished bowl season, and multiple blowouts in the playoff.

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            • JCDAWG83

              We’ll differ on the OOC scheduling. I think it would make it much better since the out of conference game could not knock a team out of the playoff teams could afford to schedule more interesting OOC games.

              Taking 8 teams out of the bowl picture would not diminish the bowl season. The other 100+ teams would fill all the bowl slots.

              The B1G champ is going to be in no matter what in the current format, television needs all those Midwestern eyes on the commercials. The same is true for the Pac 10, SEC, ACC. It’s all about money and eyes on televisions right now. If the B1G champ is not deserving, they will lose in the first round or two, that’s the great thing about a legitimate playoff, not a beauty pageant type selection.

              With 8 conferences comprised of 12-14 teams each, the champions of those conferences would represent the best teams in the country and they would have earned the right to be in the playoff on the field, not because Condoleeza Rice thought they should be in a playoff..

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              • Otto

                Why bother schedule OOC, they demand more money if by nothing else needing a return trip and possible injuries which could impact games of value?

                The regular season would turn into something boring where winning the division is all that matters, followed by a boring playoff where the last 2 rounds are likely the only interesting games. The only thing that would save it would be discussing your fantasy league, and who is running the best pizza special.

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    • JCDAWG83

      How about 8 conference champs and let the conferences decide how they want to name their champ? If a team doesn’t win it’s own conference championship, how could they possibly complain about not being able to play for the national championship?

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    • Bulldawg Bill

      You could have 100 teams. #101 will complain!!!!

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  3. PTC DAWG

    You got to love a whiner…

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    • JCDAWG83

      When the path to the playoff goes through a committee and is little more than a beauty pageant, the stage is set for loads of whining.

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      • paul

        This. The committee seems to be going out of their way to stress they’re not going to use any sort of objective data to evaluate teams. Pretty soon members will be bragging about the fact they don’t even watch the games. I’m guessing as long as it’s not illegal (and perhaps even if it is), pretty soon boosters will be showering them with cash and gifts. Assuming they aren’t already. After all, those COA stipends should free up some resources.

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      • PTC DAWG

        They wouldn’t have been under the BCS top 2 either, I don’t think. Screw’em, go undefeated.

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  4. 202dawg

    You’re asking middle-aged men who pander to 15-18 years olds for a living to have DIGNITY? hahahahahahaha

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  5. hassan

    I was never on board with the playoff thing….but since it is here….

    The committee makes it take a step back. Why couldn’t they have used BCS rankings to determine the playoff teams? The BCS was never perfect, but most of the arguments were around if #3 or #4 should have been in the title game. Rarely did many people complain that # 5 or greater needed a shot.

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  6. Mayor

    Well, count me as one, at least, that thinks that Art Briles has a point. This whole committee thing is nothing but politics of the worst sort. Back in the olden days (2 years ago), the BCS computer calculated the rankings without even knowing the names of the teams. The computer was programmed in advance with the criteria. One could complain about the criteria (such as using the Coaches’ Poll for part of the computer rankings) but nobody complained about bias by the computer which basically looked at strength of schedule and won-loss records to do its thing. Now we have a human committee and its members know every team’s name. Worse, the committee members are all ADs or coaches or alumni or somehow connected to the schools and/or conferences. The members ALL have biases either personal or institutional that affect the committee rankings. That is how a TCU, ranked 3rd, can win its last game 63-0 and get dropped to 5th and out of the playoff. That is how an Ohio State, which played a bunch of nobodies in its conference, and a nobody OOC schedule (managing to lose to one of those OOC nobodies) gets in over TCU of the Big 12 (a superior conference to the B1G) whose only loss came to the #6 team in the nation by 3 points. The committee stinks. Face it, the committee is crooked. The members are trading off votes–like voting for Ohio State if you (wink, wink) will vote for Oregon, that type of thing. Maybe Briles didn’t want to come right out and say it because of fear of being penalized this coming season. I have no such fear. The committee should be disbanded immediately. Go back to using the BCS computer and take the top 4. That’s how to get the playoff selection process right without recriminations.

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  7. Just because it’s “whiny” doesn’t mean it’s false. OSU’s cache vs. the others lack thereof and don’t forget respect for Wisconsin led to what happened. The problem looking back is the buckeyes won the damn thing. No one thinks tcu or Baylor is winning that playoff.

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    • Mayor

      Derek, I think TCU would have won the whole thing if the Frogs had gotten in. They would have turned the game into a track meet and no way Ohio State or FSU could stay with them. Bama would have had difficulty, too. Oregon would be the only team that made the3 playoff that could match up well enough to play a high scoring game with TCU and maybe beat ’em, IMHO.

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  8. Irwin R. Fletcher

    “older brand name”…code for ‘don’t pay any attention to the fact that we got blown out by West Viriginia.’

    I’m trying to figure out which ‘older brand name’ he meant. Maybe it was Ohio State…who thumped Michigan State and hung 49 on them (a team Baylor lost to in the Bowl Game). Oregon? That’s hardly an ‘old brand’…oh, they thumped MSU by about 20. Alabama? That’s a really ‘old brand.’ No bother that Bama beat WVA by double digits while Baylor lost by two touchdowns. (not to mention it took a miracle for TCU to win by 1). Florida State? I’m not a rocket scientist…but I assume FSU’s undefeated record helped more than it’s helmet logo.

    Briles needs to slow his roll. He’s got no one to blame but himself. TCU had the better resume despite losing by 3 to Baylor at Baylor. If Briles wanted his conference represented so badly, he should have campaigned for TCU instead of trying to claim Baylor belonged in the playoff. Or he could have played someone tougher OOC than SMU or NW State. Or he could have not lost to West Virginia.

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  9. Art has never heard of Sammy Baugh??

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  10. Scorpio Jones, III

    “Have a little dignity, fellas.” Wah haa haaaaaaaaa. That’s the funniest line you have written in years. And, folks, he’s here all week…unless he’s got another fancy vacation planned.

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  11. red

    They played no one.

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  12. Go Dawgs!

    Which team would have been left out for Art Briles’ precious one-loss team or the one at TCU? Ohio State. Ya know, the team that won the national championship. Kinda screws up the argument that you got hosed in my opinion.

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  13. Big Ol cup of STFU

    Who?

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  14. Macallanlover

    TCU deserved the spot more than ohio did, but FSU was the most questionable team to me of the four.

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