“These are just educational institutions who have decided to go into a business.”

The AP does a shit’s getting real story about the numerous fronts the NCAA finds itself engaged in battling over amateurism. Nothing should come as much of a surprise to you, as we’ve discussed most of it, but I do find this sentence tucked into the piece a bit startling:

With some exceptions for the greater good, U.S. law generally bans companies from striking deals that curtail competition — in a word, cartels.

When the AP starts tossing the “c” word around like that… well, it may be time to coax a comment out of Stacey Osburn in response.

12 Comments

Filed under See You In Court, The NCAA

12 responses to ““These are just educational institutions who have decided to go into a business.”

  1. Argondawg

    I’ve never had a problem with the players being paid a reasonable wage but as I get older I can’t really begin to imagine how all of this would work. If fair market value for a player is going to be the determining factor then you have the NFL lite. So at that point they sign into a contract with the university for one year and if they are good enough they take their talents to the NFL after a Chubb like freshman campaign. That is what the 5 stars will do. The 3 stars could possibly be leveraged for a 3 year commitment. College football would completely run off the rails. If every kid has to be negotiated with for compensation based on their resumes then I am just not interested anymore. Start a MLB minor league system by the NFL and as the NCAA I would take average grades and SAT scores for the general student populations and make that the floor for entrance into any power 5 school. They should try to get back to the student athlete model not the bullshit they have had for decades.

    Like

    • ATTENTION:
      THOSE OF YOU THAT WOULD LIKE TO SIGN UP TO PLAY FOOTBALL THIS FALL PLEASE MEET AT THE IPF AT 7AM SHARP! SATURDAY MORNING. DON’T BE LATE. SHORTS AND T SHIRTS.

      Like

      • JCDAWG83

        That’s funny to think about, but it seems to work fine up until the college level, at least the D-2 and up college level.

        I could easily live with college football where the players had to have grades and test scores equal to the lowest accepted student from the general student population. If 3.91 is the average incoming freshman gpa at Georgia, I’m sure there are some 3.5s in the group. The non revenue sports seem to manage without gutting the entrance requirements. I know they rely on football to pay the bills, but I’m talking about entrance requirements. If all schools had to play by the same rules competition would be maintained and so would fan interest.

        I can envision all the money, pay to play, etc issues destroying college football and basketball as we know it. Honestly, I’d be fine with it turning more into a high school model, I’d still go to games, cheer like crazy and have a great time.

        Like

        • doofusdawg

          The fact is that what we will end up with is the top 1% of athletes doing extremely well and going straight to the pros. The rest of the participants will suffer and have their options limited. Sound familiar…

          Like

          • JCDAWG83

            Yes, and college football will be ruined forever. I envision it becoming like single A pro baseball. The colleges can’t pay everyone the same thing, that would run afoul of the law. The 4 and 5 stars will be on the team for a year, maybe two until they move up. You will have some stars on a team who get paid pretty well and another 75 or so who will be there so those guys will have someone to play with getting paid very little. Once they’re getting paid to play, there will be no way to stop them from getting agents (lawyers) and you will have holdouts and negotiating will replace recruiting. Kids will pick schools based on who will pay them the most. The fans will lose interest because they won’t have any real connection to the mercenary athlete on the field, he won’t be a legit student, he’ll be a hired gun to win games, and that will be that.

            Like

            • he won’t be a legit student

              But I thought you said most aren’t legit students now.

              And there’s always been money passing. It’s just that more of it’s above the table now.

              By the way, why don’t fans have a problem with mercenary coaches on the field?

              Like

              • JCDAWG83

                Well, at least there’s the pretense of them being students now. If players are going to be employees, why bother with the “student” thing at all?Simply make them paid performers that work for the college. Do away with scholarships, don’t make the players go to class, let them practice as much as they want or as much as their coach requires them to. Make the athletic department a for profit division of the university whose mission is to make money.

                The system has to go in one direction or the other. Either it has to focus more on the “student” part or it has to become more “athlete”. It cannot be a hybrid.

                I, for one, think college coaches are grossly overpaid.

                Whatever, you are going to get your wish. College players are going to be paid and we’ll see what happens. I don’t think it’s going to be good.

                Like

                • You’re just arriving at the same place I got to five years ago.

                  Like

                • JCDAWG83

                  That’s surprising to me. I really thought you were all in on the paying players thing simply because they were the labor of the college football business. I always thought you were of the opinion that the players were being exploited and taken advantage of. I have, and still think, the scholarship and other perks are more than adequate compensation.

                  If we’re in the same place now, I guess we have vastly different ideas of where we should go from here. You seem to want to go in the NFL direction, I want to go more in the high school direction.

                  Like

                • I want what I had before ESPN screwed everything up. Not sure what that has to do with the NFL.

                  In any event, I doubt either of us are going to be happy in the end.

                  Like

  2. Bulldog Joe

    “The powerful Southeastern Conference proposed a rule that would force schools to inform the NCAA if their athletes get a stipend that’s bigger than the costs of attendance the schools report to the U.S. Department of Education.”

    “While SEC officials said the rule would help maintain transparency, economists critical of the NCAA saw it as a rule designed to deter market competition. The proposal was rejected.”

    It’s done. We are already there.

    Like

  3. doofusdawg

    boiling frogs.

    Like