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It is a great piece.
One little piece of irony that to me highlights the whole point of the article (i.e that we all tend to scapegoat as a society because it protects our own interests)…”ended with the president being impeached for a consensual sexual affair”…seems like a throwaway line, but in the context of scapegoating, it cracks me up that he would blame the impeachment on the ‘consensual’ affair rather than the sitting president of the US lying under oath (for which he lost his law license but not the presidency).
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Thank you. I was hoping I wasn’t the only one who noted that huge partisan gaffe in an otherwise good piece.
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Yes, I noticed it, too. I bring this up all the time to people that say Clinton was impeached for an affair. No, it was lying under oath about said affair. I could care less who he schtooped.
Still, great article and dead on. Not sure how Chris Petersen is a bad guy here, though. He kicked the guy off the team and the school booted him. I guess the prosecutor in Boise could’ve done something. Based on the sentence in Waco, I guess he would’ve gotten a ticket in Boise, though.
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Clinton wasn’t impeached for either reason. Those were just excuses; it was purely politics.
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Exactly. The fact that they initiated an investigation in the first place over a (at the time) rumored affair, which ultimately ended with Clinton lying under oath about it, just screams typically DC politics to me.
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You keep telling yourself that, Senator. If you want to argue the motivations of those involved, fine. Go ahead. But if a sitting president can lie under oath in a legal proceeding (related to legislation he signed into law, as I recall) and not be impeached, the whole mechanism is even more useless that I fear it to be.
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Oh, the drama.
From Wikipedia:
It had nothing to do with Whitewater; it was the end result of a politically motivated fishing expedition. He lied under oath about something that I expect many men have done the same. In any event, it hardly threatened the Republic.
YMMV, but I suspect the extent to which this whole matter bothers you or anyone else, and what about it bothers you or anyone else, is related to where you land on the political spectrum. As I’m a cynic about politics, it gets a giant shrug from me. Besides, the Bar levied what I thought was the proper punishment when it revoked Clinton’s license to practice law.
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I fully expect you to doubt this, but you can go ahead and mark me down as someone who thinks the president lying under oath to deny a woman her legal rights under a law he signed is a big deal no matter the political party. At this point, I’m pretty sure there won’t be another Republican president in my lifetime, but you can be assured that if there is and he/she lies under oath in a legal proceeding, I’ll be calling for the vice president to take over.
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“I’m pretty sure there won’t be another Republican president in my lifetime,”
May you live a long life
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Now that made me laugh out loud!
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I’m not a Clinton fan by any means, but this trivialized the impeachment process in my opinion. You obviously disagree.
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Fleshing out your response above, Starr actually entrapped Bill Clinton for partisan political purposes. He secretly knew about the affair and purposely conspired with the attorneys for Paula Dean to put Clinton into a position where he would lie, as many men would, about Lewinski. Starr is the personification of the phrase “situational ethics.” It does not surprise me in the slightest that he is president of a university that has the kinds of ethical/criminal problems that Baylor is experiencing. I feel certain that Baylor alumni are mortified about what has occurred there during Starr’s tenure. Following the rationale of “A fish stinks from the head down” Baylor would be wise to get rid of Ken Starr ASAP if the leaders of the formerly respected Baptist institution are serious about fixing what is wrong there. There is a movie out right now where the main character makes the statement: “If nobody can prove it happened–it didn’t really happen.” That, in a nutshell, explains the morals of Ken Starr.
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Maybe. But if I’m making a list of things that were trivialized by that whole episode, the office of the presidency would be atop the list.
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If Starr hadn’t gone off the reservation with his investigation, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.
You think it’s about the office of the Presidency; it’s just as much about the corruption of the impeachment process for political purposes, if not more so. And I would argue the latter was far more damaged by this episode.
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I will believe to my dying days that Starr was doing Clinton’s bidding.
The silly Monika thing was the least of the much more serious issues of that administration. Any of you remember the Gore Buddhist Temple scandal where the Chinese passed money to him and he used the “Ice Tea Defense”?
National security was compromised with both the MIRV technology and the rocket technology that the administration gave the Communist Chinese, but what is a few cities of millions of people worth?
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Senator, I couldn’t agree more with your statement. When the nation’s first presidential impeachment trial occurred in 1866, Andrew Johnson standing firm and winning in the Senate saved the nation from “tyranny by the legislature” which Thomas Jefferson once described as “the worst sort of tyranny.” Had the impeachment of Andrew Johnson succeeded it is likely that the office of President would have been reduced to a figurehead position and this nation would be governed in a very different fashion today. That also may have been true of the Clinton impeachment had it succeeded. It is easy to get caught up in the politics of the individual cases and the facts of same and not to look at the bigger picture of what this would do to our governmental institutions.
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There are two people one could blame in this situation. You can choose to blame the investigator, or you can choose to blame the one who committed the crime. I’m going to choose the criminal more often than not.
But then again, I’ve always been a fan of personal responsibility. As I read over these comments, I’m struck by some of the similarities to the comments I saw back during Gurley’s suspension. Back then, I blamed the guy who broke the rules, and I got criticized for it. Most people wanted to blame the investigator (the NCAA)… uhhh… you know, unless the investigator had been investigating another school. At least I’m consistent. Whether the guy who knowingly broke the rules is “on my team” or not, I’m going to look there first when I’m assessing blame.
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So you think impeachment is a criminal proceeding? Hoo, boy. No wonder we see this so differently.
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Gravidy, you’re essentially saying that me and others don’t believe in personal responsibility since we don’t agree with you, which is laughable given, if nothing else, you know absolutely nothing about me and how I conduct my personal life.
The problem with those on the far right side of the isle (in my experience anyway) is they try are so quick to judge others while conveniently turning a blind eye to their own shortcomings, misdeeds, etc. They also desperately try to view things through a black and white lens only, and refuse to consider that often there is a huge gray area that needs to be explored as well.
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To 3andG: I said absolutely no such thing, “essentially” or otherwise, but I was amused at how you criticized me for making judgments about people I don’t know and then made a sweeping characterization about people you don’t know. You have a nice day, sir.
To the Senator: No, I don’t think impeachment is a criminal proceeding. I referred to Clinton as a criminal because he lied under oath during his deposition in the Paula Jones case.
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Is revoked license to practice law the same thing as suspended lcense?
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A suspended license means the violator has been told he cannot practice for a specified period of time or has had his/her ability to be a lawyer in that state stopped until performing certain things to make amends, then becomes reinstated as an attorney. Having your license to practice revoked (AKA disbarred) means your license has actually been pulled and your name stricken from the rolls of those lawyers in that state. A disbarred attorney can apply for reinstatement, however, if he/she keeps his/her nose clean and does things to earn being allowed to be a member of that bar again. Someone might say that is a distinction without a difference to suspension but IMHO disbarment is much worse for the lawyer than suspension and carries a worse stigma.
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Ahhh, thanks. So this makes some sense now. For some reason I always thought it was the “I did not have sex with that woman” story that caused him problems with the bar.
* On April 12, 1999, Wright found Clinton in contempt of court for “intentionally false” testimony in Jones v. Clinton, fined him $90,000, and referred the case to the Arkansas Supreme Court’s Committee on Professional Conduct, as Clinton still possessed a law license in Arkansas.*
The Arkansas Supreme Court suspended Clinton’s Arkansas law license in April 2000. On January 19, 2001, Clinton agreed to a five-year suspension and a $25,000 fine in order to avoid disbarment and to end the investigation of Independent Counsel Robert Ray (Starr’s successor). On October 1, 2001, Clinton’s U.S. Supreme Court law license was suspended, with 40 days to contest his disbarment. On November 9, 2001, the last day for Clinton to contest the disbarment, he opted to resign from the Supreme Court Bar, surrendering his license, rather than facing penalties related to disbarment.
Obamas’ licenses to practice law: (1) Michelle Obama went inactive in 1994, despite a Harvard Law School degree, which is very strange, unless she was doing so to avoid a hearing on something; (2) her husband “retired” in January 2008. I am not saying that they were ever formally charged with misconduct. I am saying that the most plausible reason for their having abandoned their licenses was to avoid disciplinary action and the threat of public disbarment.
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Your observations about Barack and Michelle Obama’s law licenses are subjects that have been cocktail party banter among lawyers for years. Why did they do this? Also, one cannot find out anything about what happened or why they resigned their bar memberships which is really unusual conduct indeed. Most attorneys who decide to no longer practice simply “go inactive” and pay a very nominal amount of bar dues per year thereby maintaining membership in the bar without having any continuing educational or other requirements. This is very strange behavior for a lawyer, indeed. Pretty obviously, and things in Illinois state government being what they are, something has been buried so deeply that it cannot be unearthed. That is amazing to me in the internet age where seemingly everything in the world can be found online.
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It was all SQUIRREL!
Clinton ran several scandals at a time so he could promote the least damaging one – sex with a subordinate. The national defense for dollars scandal was much more serious and not political. The only thing political is that the Republicans went along with the sex distraction to keep from having serious criminal charges brought against a president.
It is why Hillary (former “co-president”) will get away with having classified and top secret documents on an unsecured server. You or me wouldn’t see the outside of a prison cell for the rest of our lives. Hill, meew.
The uniparty protects it’s own. Us-non political class prions are just a bunch of fan boy pawns.
That said, this election cycle is looking much more entertaining than I ever expected.
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“Clinton ran several scandals at a time”
Sure but Bill was a small-timer compared to Ron
http://listverse.com/2015/01/15/10-reprehensible-crimes-of-ronald-reagan/
and W
http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/
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DIF, you left off my personal favorite: Richard M. Nixon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
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That’s okay b/c Mac is taking care of Milhous down below 🙂
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I would have rather they had gone after him for campaign donations in exchange for MIRV technology to China, but that would have been a hanging offense, and noway we were going to hang a president.
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Funny how Ken Starr is involved, eh?
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The irony hasn’t escaped me.
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All these folks are talking about the first President Clinton, right?
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I don’t think Chelsea is eligible to run yet.
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🙂
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But what did the entire impeachment stem from in the first place? An affair. Regardless, it just goes to show that the whole line about “its not the crime, its the cover-up” has certainly been proven true many times over the years in high profile cases.
As for Petersen/Briles, I’m more apt to believe the guy who really has nothing to lose and/or isn’t currently engaged in CYA, which is Petersen. He kicked him off the team, Briles takes him in…now Briles is trying to essentially blame Petersen as the **** has hit the fan over in Waco, which is asinine, and I’m royally pissed if I’m Petersen.
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For Ken “church and scripture and church events were a regular part of life.”
“The Starr Report came out in 1998. And all of this would be history, if it weren’t for the fact that Starr, the legendary moral ninny now serving as the chancellor at Baylor University, was handpicked nearly a decade later to negotiate a sweetheart plea deal with state and federal prosecutors for billionaire pederast and Clinton crony Jeffrey Epstein.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/30/conservative-scold-ken-starr-got-a-billionaire-pedophile-off.html
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That’s true, but many moderates (and all on the left) will be quick to tell you that, regardless, everything still stemmed from him having a consensual affair. Yes, he lied under oath, but again he lied under oath in relation to an affair that many felt he shouldn’t have been investigated for in the first place.
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I’m genuinely curious. Do you think your last sentence makes it all OK?
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I wouldn’t go as far as saying ‘its makes it ok,’ but the fact that the entire investigation was clearly grossly politically motivated from the outset certainly should be a huge factor. Especially given the hypocrisy from those on the right, such as Gingrich’s own affair that he was engaged in while going after Clinton for his.
And FWIW, I voted for Dole in ’96 as a first time voter in a presidential election, and at the time I was all for Clinton’s impeachment as a young and otherwise naive student at UGA. But looking back with a much more objective lens than my previous myopic views, I now realize what an embarrassing sham that was for our country.
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Don’t feel bad. I was one of only a few who voted for Goldwater simply because he was honest and said what he would do to China if elected; whereas, Johnson continued to stand out in my mind for the “suicide ” of a US Marshall who was investigating Johnson’s first election in Texas. Deaf Smith County,Texas Coroner ruled the poor guy shot himself in the back 4 times.
As it turned out, Johnson pushed through equal rights legislation that Kennedy couldn’t have possibly gotten through Congress. Since I had voted for Kennedy, I suddenly was glad that Johnson was in power and driving around the ranch headed for his foreman’s place.
Since you may have already deduced it, I like power guys that make it with the women (there are lots of’em). Looks like Trump will break my string of support for those guys. :).
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“I like power guys that make it with the women (there are lots of’em)”
Things are looking up for Donald in Mobile
https://twitter.com/AkinUnver/status/635519552726663168
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BTW, weren’t there other SOTH besides Gingrich who were nailed for WWM (Womanizing While Married) about the same time?
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Mr. Bad Example –
“Saying he wanted to set an example for the embattled Democratic president, Livingston, a Metairie Republican recently chosen by his Republican colleagues to become speaker of the House, stunned his fellow lawmakers and the nation by announcing he would give up the leadership post and resign from Congress.”
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/12/bob_livingston_has_no_regrets.html
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Thank you kindly. Knew you could find the ammo in the dark.
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The true irony is that it was a “consensual affair” with a subordinate. The left and feminist tell us – and rightly so – that this is sexual harassment and it is one of the top offensives men can ever do in the work place.
Lewinsky got a cush 50k top secret clearance job at the pentagon, after her services were rendered.
Feminist and the left defended and will defend Bubba until they are in the ground. Go figure.
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God bless you Charlie…
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Gosh, just for the fact that a now-convicted rapist with previous background was allowed on the team; isn’t that evidence enough for an administrative rebuke of the AD and Briles while waiting on the investigation results?
Sounds like Ken Starr has his fall guy all set up. Didn’t I read an article last year concerning Ken’s almost hands-on relationship toward the football team and that he took personal credit for their success? Could have sworn there was a photo of him jumping up and down on the sideline.
Oh well, the AP poll took Baylor and TCU and switched them around from the Coach’s Poll, so there’s that.
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Ken Starr and Baylor need to do the responsible thing here…ban dancing again.
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Yeah, they don’t even have sex standing up for fear that someone could see them and think they are dancing.
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Well he was smoking in a non smoking area. Very unfortunate for everyone.
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Starr continues to represent Blackwater in a case involving the deaths of four unarmed civilians killed by Blackwater contractors in Fallujah, Iraq, in March 2004. Starr was not drafted for military service during the Vietnam War, as he was classified 4‑F, because of a case of psoriasis.
And what’s up with Dan? Is he still trying to repeal the 2nd amendment? 😉
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I’ll be damned. Some of us are laughing at our human foibles and politics, much unlike the recent past.
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There is an important tension to maintain between two opposing views least one overwhelm the other and it can’t be heard. Something like that. One of my professors on the North side of campus said that. Grad level class. Had to have permission. I was one of two undergrads in the class. I “earned a B” I went to complain to him about that B and he informed me I had the highest B in the class. I explained that “That and 58 cents would get me a cup of coffee at the Golden Pantry”. Soooooo…. he took his change out of his pocket an counted out 58 cents. And then smiled. He later went on to run the Carl Vincent Institute. Much later I built his and his wife’s dream home. His wife was the head of labor and delivery and the delivery room nurse for the birth of my first born son. I’ve always admired him.
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Just a minute….I am totally confused. Sam Ukwuachu, had been a Freshman All-American at Boise State and according to sworn testimony had played whack-a-mole with his girlfriend’s coconut. Correct? He apparently was asked to depart the team and town of Boise for said offenses. Correct? So we have two of the three measured lines of an isosceles triangle and we know exactly the third line. But once again it is misidentified and concealed.
That is:
line 1…’student-athlete’ with proven serious FB skills and:
line 2 very bad manners needing multiple get-out-of-jail-free cards and large capacity cell phone to handle the speed dial numbers of many criminal defense attorneys…AKA ‘Cam Phone’ ..or ‘The Auburn Transfer Phone’.
So why isn’t line 3 identified? The third leg of the triangle of immutable consistent truth is Auburn.
Good player+ bad behavior = Auburn second chance. Is Chris Peterson mad at St. Gus? Why wasn’t the Vatican of Football Forgiveness notified that another candidate for Auburn’s pathway to redemption was available for immediate transfer?
There can only be one answer:
Baylor is a western satellite scud campus of Auburn. Waco is surrounded by Plains, is it not? And Scud U West..er…Baylor has some of the same lame Mother Auburn excuses….’no one told us he had a problem’….’what, you mean he was asked to leave his former team..how were we supposed to know?’….’Everybody deserves a second chance, right?’….”Let’s talk about the upcoming season, not about this unfortunate event’…’You mean not all schools have a call-in sociology course for FB players?’.’Education? Of course they do…James Brooks could write….not read, but could endorse his paychecks’…. ‘By God, my name is Pat Dye, Tommy Tubberville, Gene Chizik, Gus Malzhan…who says you can discuss unapproved topics on the record?…call Big Bobby and Pauuuuuuul.’….’NCAA infractions committee? Please. Just reference Alfred E Neuman’..
Seems that Briles fits right in.
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What a bunch of poppycock! An attorney isn’t bothered by the person holding the highest office empowered to see that our laws are enforced committed perjury? Isn’t “truth and nothing but the truth” the cornerstone of our legal system? So it is just politics that he be held accountable? Seriously? Methinks your politics has blinded you.
Recall a conservative President stepping down for a lie about a 4th rate burglary regarding nothing but political notes and schemes? No one injured, endangered, or violated but we had to endure years of explaining to our kids about that cigar, bodily fluids on a dress, and why a BJ wasn’t a big deal. This is the same party that champions women’s rights but not one lib group came out and attacked him for the grandest case of sexual harassment in our history? He would have been terminated at every CEO position in the country if it were a public company. What a bunch of two faced hypocrites you all are. And we see it every day from the scum you seem to admire. I am a fan of neither party but the Leftist one stinks a lot more than the other when it comes to having no backbone or accountability. And their “followers” seem to excuse more than an Auburn fan when it comes to lying and cheating. Anything for the “win”.
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What’s your point here, Mac? That Clinton’s transgression was worse than Nixon’s?
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Yes, and that Nixon had the decency to step down while Clinton and the gang chose to drive us, and the Office of President through the mud. Short version, he did worse, and wasn’t man enough to clear out his desk. And you know damn well I didn’t want Gore in office, but it what an honorable person would have done.
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“Nixon had the decency to step down”? Damn, Mac, I need to stop giving you enough rope to hang yourself with.
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BTW, “Isn’t “truth and nothing but the truth” the cornerstone of our legal system?” may be the funniest thing you’ve ever posted here.
Oh, wait… you were serious about that?
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Well, in Mac’s defense let me say that the oath one takes when testifying in court says exactly that and, while largely aspirational and likely ignored with impunity on a constant basis, nevertheless SHOULD be the way things are. The fact that things are not that way is still a shame.
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In a perfect world, that’s right. But in a perfect world, Starr would never have gone fishing in the first place.
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In a perfect world Bill Clinton would have been above reproach and there would have been nothing to find, too. There is no perfect world.
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The country knew what it was getting in Slick Willie when he was reelected in ’96.
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On Saturday Night Live, during a sketch done in a show shortly after Bill’s election, Jan Hooks made the comment that Bill reminded her of a guy who a female would meet in a bar, who would profess undying love and adulation just to get her into bed. The woman would know that–and still go home with him anyway. Nothing stuck to Slick Willie.
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“Isn’t “truth and nothing but the truth” the cornerstone of our legal system?” … I may be wrong, Senator, but the only functional (read-money transfer) cornerstone of our legal system is..’for every outcome there is a proximate cause’….And the plaintiff’s attorney’s job is to convince 6 to 12 driver license carriers that there was a true-true-related relationship between the proximate cause and the ‘injury’. Then Bingo…the slots hit medallion level on all lines. In other words, ‘truth’ to the legal profession is like skin to a general surgeon….just an inconvenience that must be negotiated but is easily cut and then ignored while the real work occurs.
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While you may feel my opinion on that “funny”, I feel rather sad about your reply. I have never, ever, met a reputable attorney who didn’t take perjury to be a serious issue. You can make light of that but you are a member of the bar, are you not? Left without punishment for perjury, what do we have left in a courtroom? I am the first to tell that I feel our legal system has become a joke in many ways over the past few decades, but without a way to hold witnesses, law enforcement, and suspects accountable we might as well vacate the courts and hearing rooms. Draw from that position whatever you would like.
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And when that glorious day arrives, I’ll be happy to join you in the chorus.
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“no backbone or accountability”
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Those damn Republicans… lol.
On Tuesday, President Obama signed an agreement that equates to a $1,300 impact on every family in America — one of the largest stimulus packages in history.
The only problem is that this money is not going to help put food on the table of struggling Americans. In fact, quite the opposite. This money is the $150 billion signing bonus that the Obama administration is giving Iran as part of the nuclear deal. And what is worse, National Security Adviser Susan Rice said on Wednesday’s Situation Room on CNN, “We should expect” that some of the money Iran gets as a part of the nuclear deal “would go to the Iranian military and could potentially be used for the kinds of bad behavior that we have seen in the region.
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How else would the military-industrial complex put food on its families
“White House reportedly offers to boost military aid to Israel after Iran deal”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/16/white-house-reportedly-offers-to-boost-military-aid-to-israel-after-iran-deal/
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Sigh… as long as they are spending it where it will do the most good I guess.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch…
Excuse my post. I’ll climb down off that soap box now.
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Cheer up because tomorrow is always another day
https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/635805386247938048
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Yet further off topic (there was a football topic right?) The above is why I encouraged my daughter to go to the North Ave Trade school & get a Civil Engineering degree. Also to make her Grandfather (NATS ’50 grad) happy unlike his son did. Two job offers before graduation in May and started in June & she is off the pay roll.
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Big Congrats! Good stuff!
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Thanks AHD
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Isn’t that money Iran’s-sequestered from the sale of oil. How is that money our of out pocket?
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“Isn’t that money Iran’s-sequestered from the sale of oil.”
Yes.
“How is that money our of out pocket?”
It’s not. We didn’t steal it fair and square, we only blocked access to it
“But Obama said Iran’s shattered economy needs to be rebuilt after years of sanctions — and it is their money.
“We’re not writing Iran a check,” he said. “This is Iran’s money that we were able to block from them having access to.”
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/07/16/423562391/lifting-sanctions-will-release-100-billion-to-iran-then-what
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“but we had to endure years of explaining to our kids about that cigar, bodily fluids on a dress, and why a BJ wasn’t a big deal.”
Thank you for your service.
Your stamina and endurance are a credit to parents everywhere
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Finally a post that makes sense. Good job Mac.
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“committed perjury”
That’s just your opinion. As usual, it’s wrong
“For centuries, Anglo-American courts have erected stiff hurdles against perjury prosecutions in part so that witnesses will not fear that a misstatement would expose them to prosecution.
In a trial system that permits opposing lawyers to grill each other’s witnesses, the chief safeguard against deliberate lies is supposed to be careful questioning — not the threat of a perjury prosecution.
In the Clinton impeachment case, Starr has alleged that the president committed perjury when he used “semantic” arguments to deny a sexual relationship with Monica S. Lewinsky. While the president has admitted making misleading statements, he and his lawyers steadfastly deny that he committed perjury either in his Jan. 17 deposition in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit or during his grand jury testimony seven months later.
In a now-infamous statement, Clinton told the grand jury that one of his denials in the deposition was literally truthful because the question was asked in the present tense and indeed, by the time of the deposition, his intimate relationship with Lewinsky had long since ended.
“It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is,” Clinton said. “Actually, in the present tense, that is an accurate statement.”
The president appears to have studied the law well. In a 1973 decision, the Supreme Court dismissed a perjury conviction against a witness who made a statement that was accurate in the present tense but was otherwise clearly false and misleading.
“The burden is on the questioner to pin the witness down to the specific object of the questioner’s inquiry,” wrote Chief Justice Warren E. Burger for a unanimous court.
The Supreme Court case grew out of a 1966 bankruptcy proceeding in which creditors were trying to show that Samuel Bronston, a movie producer, had hidden money in Swiss bank accounts.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/perjury092498.htm
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FWIW, Nixon was a liberal.
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FWIW, only in the context of the current day Republican Party.
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LOL.
Alternative Minimum Tax, EPA, Clean Air Act, Wage & Price Controls and a (failed) attempt for universal health care.
Some conservative.
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Again, it’s all about context. I don’t know how old you are, but at the time, nobody saw Nixon as part of the liberal wing of the Republican Party.
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Now there is no liberal wing of the Republican Party.
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You mean besides pro abortion & pro single payer Donald Trump?
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Nobody saw him as part of the conservative wing either.
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Er, what?
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Vince Dooley faked the moon landing!
I’ll hang up & take my answer off the air.
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And the tri delt I dated in 1966 faked orgasms….but it took me quite a long time to figure it out. Not that it mattered.
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I’m just curious… had to ask and all that. But what tipped you off? Lol.
Reminds me of an Eddie Murphy routine. “I got mine, you get yours”
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Yep, this investigation is only happening because of the publicity. Now even the Prez wants to distance himself….how’s that for leadership.
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Mama always said don’t bring up religion, sex or politics amongst friends. In the past few days, we have slap wore out the first two so…
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I said sex, DIF, sex. Not bad bar bands. S-E-X
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So that’s what happened to the Robert Palmer back up dancing girls 🙂
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Does anyone else get this message when they post? I hope I am not being singled out for my radical views! 😉
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WP catches any comment that has more than a couple of links in it.
Don’t take it personally… unless you want to. 😉
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Awww! Yeah!! The stadium is rocking and the girders are sho nuff bending the GTP gang is in full tilt! Turn Up my Brothers Turn Up!! Hey, Senator can we all have a mud wrestling contest sometime?
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My apologies for what could be the longest, unintentional threadjack in the history of GTP.
End of the day…the proof is in the pudding. If Briles knew about the kid’s past and lied about it, I assume they should fire him, right? And if Starr doesn’t fire him after finding out that he lied….well, draw your own conclusions.
Secondary point…I have 99.9% certainty that this would never happen under Richt. The difference between someone talking about virtues and someone living it, I guess.
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“draw your own conclusions.”
Ken makes it happen that Chris Peterson gets fired
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Ya know,a h/t to Bluto is due here. In spite of the religious, political, and the occasional Eeyore Dawg. Not to mention one of my posts was flagged for moderation. 😉
We’re a pretty tight group here at GTP.
Go Dawgs!
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Just don’t ask me to play Kumbaya as a Musical Palate Cleanser. 🙂
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What’s this “We” shit, white dog man?
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Dear Jesus in a red Corvette…is September 5 ever gonna get here?
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Man, you lawyers can talk some shit. Glad I went into medicine. I continue to be amazed at the civil tone maintained during a potentially raucous political discussion. Good job guys.
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F*ck, sh!t, a–hole, b_itch, no good sorry (Republicans/Democrats/Libertarians/Green Party–you fill in the blank.) Is that raucous enough for you? 🙂
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