Looking back at Lambert

Those of you who would prefer to chalk up Lambert’s struggles in 2014 to a sieve-like offensive line and who think Lambert’s size means he can run a little probably ought to skip this piece from Seth Emerson.

For the rest of you, it’s more context for evaluating what to hope to see from him in red and black.

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  1. Rick

    Hmm – are we just glossing over the fact that your real name is now being used in the press?

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  2. Russ

    Senator, who is this “Michael Brockstein” that they refer to? Don’t they know that you run this blog?

    Oh, and while I have your ear, thank you once again for getting me through an off-season mostly intact. You have, bar none, the best sports blog on the planet. Seriously, and I thank you for it. Now I’m off to click an ad on your behalf.

    And forget that Brockstein guy!

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    • AusDawg85

      Google images brings up a picture of Louis C.K. That would explain a lot. :-0

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    • John Denver is full of shit...

      I stand with Russ on this.

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    • Senator Blutarsky…unmasked.

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      • AthensHomerDawg

        Yikes! Not so fast my friend.
        It turns out that, ironically, wild frat boy “Bluto” Blutarsky went on to become Senator Blutarksy.

        So, what would have become of Senator Blutarsky had he been alive today? Would his ambition have stopped at the Capitol steps, or was he meant to go onto greater achievements? Well, the answer is actually quite obvious:

        George W. Bush is what would have happened if Senator Blutarsky became president.

        These two men had much in common, even in college. What do I mean? Well, who was “was elected president of his fraternity, Delta Kappa Epsilon, which was known as the hardest drinking jock house on campus.” According to The Washington Post, that was George Bush. As we know, Bluto was also a member of the Delta House, but at mythical Faber College.

        It appears that President Bush was the real life Bluto, and that explains why he respected Bluto so much that he followed in the fictional senator’s footsteps.

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        • George W. Bush was a cheerleader…Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Not a “jock” though. I think “jock” requires actual participation.

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          • AthensHomerDawg

            Hmmmm…Are you saying that Bush wasn’t “a hard drinker”?
            Jock-an enthusiast or participant in a specified activity.
            “…hardest drinking jock house”
            It is an interesting dichotomy between Bush and Brockstein. Did I use that word right?
            Your somewhat of a “blogger jock” yourself Derek. 😉

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  3. DawgPhan

    shits given about his time @ UVA = 0

    Nothing he did there matters to me.

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  4. Russ

    Is Seth a blogger now? Did he move on from the paper, or did the paper move on from him?

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  5. Juan

    Looks a lot more athletic than I expected.

    On a scale of 1-10 how much does the senator want lambert to fail?

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    • Russ

      “On a scale of 1-10 how much does the senator want lambert to fail?”

      Huh?

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      • dawgtired

        I missed the part about the Senator wanting Lambert to fail. I’ll have to re-read the article. That’s what I get for skimming.

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        • When you find it, let me know. I must have missed it, too.

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          • Puffdawg

            Ok I’ll bite…

            I honestly get a weird vibe from you on this as well, Bluto. I think Juan perhaps used the wrong wording (he’s certainly not short on cynicism… perhaps “on a scale of 1-10, how much is Bluto ‘predicting’ Lambert to fail.” Nobody actually thinks you want him to fail – not me anyway. But it certainly seems like you’ve repeatedly been a heavy skeptic. I just don’t get the negative vibes you’re putting out. While it might not be apples to oranges, it certainly is apples to peaches, at best. Lambert was expected to carry Virginia as their horse. He will be expected to merely be supporting cast at UGA for the best player in the country. That is a gigantic difference. I agree his results at Virginia can be scary without context, but the results have to be taken with a little consideration of the two comparative situations. Virginia’s run pass ratio was 51%/49% compared to UGA at 63%/37%. Considering the average ypc difference (UVA 3.67 to UGA 6.04), that’s a whole hell of a lot different circumstances. Also consider UGA faced 35 less third downs over the course of last season than did UVA, which I think can reasonably be contributed to the vast difference in success of and reliance on the run game. Also, consider Mark Richt’s reputation and results in developing QBs. He’s known for it and QBs come to UGA specifically to play for him. Also, Virginia’s defense surrendered more than a field goal more per game last season, which means they relied on Lambert to lead an extra touchdown drive per game more than did UGAs team.

            I’m not expecting Lambert to come in and be Joe Montana. I am saying I think the doom and gloom on the selection of Lambert over Ramsey is a bit overplayed here based on Lambert’s average results at UVA (call it skepticism on your part, if you’re trying to maintain the appearance of being “realistic”). Because that’s what this is about: who is the right choice? And it would be fair to trust Richt on that, given his track record.

            Just my opinion and I certainly appreciate and respect your work. I also acknowledge you are normally a reasonable person. I just think you are being a bit prejudiced here for the wrong reasons.

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            • My doom and gloom, as you call it, isn’t over Lambert vs. Ramsey. It’s over the fact that the established guys couldn’t hold off a transfer who’d lost his starting job at an inferior program.

              And as for considering Richt’s reputation for developing quarterbacks, I’m more than just considering it. It’s perhaps the biggest thing Lambert’s got going for him.

              My point in bringing the data out – much of which confirms what I saw when I watched the Hoos play last year, BTW – is to tamp down on unreasonable expectations here. If it turns out that I’m worried over nothing, believe me, I’ll be thrilled to acknowledge it.

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              • Puffdawg

                Regardless of his time at UVA, if Lambert is in fact the best option and performs well, there is no story here. If he turns out to be our best option and lousy, then the only story is about our lack of quality QBs, not about Lambert’s time at UVA. The only conceivable story relevant to his time at UVA is if he is NOT our best option and Richt made a mistake (in overlooking his performance at UVA). But I’d be hard pressed to believe Richt chose a guy in the program for one month over a guy in the program for three years if he didn’t feel there was a clear cut difference in their chances of helping us win. So, where’s the story here?

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                • Lotta ifs there. That’s your story.

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                • Puffdawg

                  those were definitive scenarios. Either he’s our best bet, which makes your concerns irrelevant, or he’s not our best bet, which I highly doubt is in question at this point based on the fact that Ramsey would have been given the nod if there was lingering doubt. Lambert’s past performance plays no part in either of those scenarios. Bonus points to Richt for his hedge with leaving the door open for Ramsey to play.

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                • Either he’s our best bet, which makes your concerns irrelevant…

                  Not if he’s displaying the same tendencies that cost him his job at UVa.

                  Needless to say, we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

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                • Puffdawg

                  I think we will have to disagree on this one, Bluto. You’re not giving Lambert a fair shake, even if you choose to mellow your word selection.

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                • You’re not giving Lambert a fair shake…

                  By pointing out stats and not calling for his head before he plays Saturday? Hokay.

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                • Mayor

                  Bluto, I think your UVa side is showing. Methinks you protest too much. Rule of holes, dude.

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                • After almost nine years of blogging about Georgia football, I’m finally letting my Virginia bias show? That’s some funny shit there, Mayor.

                  But I’ll play along. Tell me about this hole I’m digging…

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                • Mayor

                  Reread my post above. A little too much protesting, Senator.

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            • Sides

              How could you not be skeptical about the QB situation? Do you think Lambert is an upgrade from Mason? Mason lacked some skills but was efficient and did a good job protecting the football. Lambert will have Chubb but Mason had Gurley and Chubb along with arguably a better receiving corp.

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              • Puffdawg

                Sides, my point isn’t whether we’re going to be any good at QB. my point is it would not be fair to cast skepticism over Richt’s decision to give Lambert the nod based solely on his time at UVA, given the totally different circumstances between then and now for Lambert. If he’s our best option, for good or bad, his performance at UVA is irrelevant. Hopefully my second comment to Bluto better articulates that.

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              • Cojones

                There were a lot of uncalled-for comments about Mason as well while he was developing in the starter position. He proved that none of them have merit, but that didn’t stop the egomaniacs from continuing to denigrate his every mistake(which weren’t many) throughout the season. The arguments here started with whose mistake it was; Richt’s ,Bobo’s or Mason’s, and it usually ended up not clearly on anyone’s shoulders. It didn’t stop the boo birds from pressing their irrelevant points.

                Are we going to repeat this downer mentality that affects the main cog of our offense? There’s nothing to prove by bringing up Lambert’s past action while he has yet to perform for our Dawgs. This is just a continuation of the pissing contest vs Richt and now substituting in our new O co-ord for Bobo. It’s asinine and an exercise in pessimism toward the team going under the guise of concerned cynicism.

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            • Lakatos Intolerant

              Not going to lie, I’ve gotten a twinge of that vibe as well, intended or not. There have been a handful of the – and I’m paraphrasing – “those who are on the Lambert bandwagon had better be careful what you wish for” comments over the past 30-60 days. And the lead-in to the comments above suggests – again, to me – that there are two distinct camps forming: 1. the UVA tenure “ignorers” and 2. the UVA tenure “oh-shit-ers”, whereas I think most of us fall in the middle of those two extremes. Call it a flawed view or one without context or whatever, but I almost see this situation similar to having a touted true freshman QB run out there and having no idea what to expect production-wise…but we can be reasonably assured the stage/pressure is not going to get to him since he does have D-1 big game experience (with a true frosh, it’s more difficult to distinguish between systemic mistakes/potential long-term issues and environmental mistakes/early struggles with big time football, if that makes sense). He may sail a few passes early on due to nerves or being too jacked up, but I think we’ll know by halftime of game 3 if he has “it” or if his shortcomings at UVA have not been corrected (or are not correct-able). With all the variables at play, I guess I can’t ignore his play/results at UVA but it’s also impossible to project that into his current situation. The whole retrospective/prospective argument, if you will.

              Anyways – back to my original point – some of your posts/comments have come off as Ramsey was your boy and who you wanted to take the reins…and possibly you have not/cannot come around to the idea of Lambert being successful at Georgia based on what you saw at UVA. I tend to agree with your position on a vast majority of things so I find it odd. But perception is a funny thing. Or maybe I had too many brownies and am paranoid.

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              • LI, I said from the beginning I didn’t care who won the starting position. That hasn’t changed.

                But I’m not going to lie about being nervous about a kid who couldn’t hold the starting job at UVA taking it at Georgia. And, yes, I know all about the situations being different, but I also know that asking someone to change habits and mechanics in such a short period of time is a big ask.

                I think what’s going on here is that I have more familiarity with Lambert’s play last season than most people who are disagreeing with my perspective. Either that, or it’s the brownies. 😉

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                • Lakatos Intolerant

                  Fair enough – I hang around these parts enough to know you don’t typically have a dawg in the proverbial fight, just wanted to put my perception out there since I found myself agreeing with Puff’s post.

                  In my mind, here is where Richt/Schotty can distinguish themselves as the best QB-developing tandem in college football if this decision works out:

                  “…but I also know that asking someone to change habits and mechanics in such a short period of time is a big ask.”

                  I guess the same can also be said about Ramsey though. We don’t have a ton of first-hand knowledge or tape as proof, but Richt has made it known publicly at least a couple times that Ramsey has yet to come full circle with mechanics and decision-making…and he’s had 2+ years under the Richt/Bobo/Schotty tutelage…which would lead us back to the “we’re going with the best of the worst” argument.

                  I need another brownie.

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                • Cojones

                  I’ll send you a couple. Looks like we will need them to surmount the hill of shit being placed on our plate and intoned over and over to the tune of rah-rah dawgs. Yippee, with emphasis on the pee.

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      • OhioDawg

        If 1 equals a PB&J sandwich and 10 equals Scooby-Doo, I’d estimate it somewhere between polka-dotted underwear and a garden gnome.

        Geesh. Really, man?

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    • PTC DAWG

      Seems like about a 7. Maybe I’m reading him wrong.

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    • Want Lambert to fail? Really? That makes no sense. Only non Georgia fans want him to fail.

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    • You think I want Lambert to fail? LMAO.

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    • On a scale of 1-10, the way I read it, I’d say motorcycle.

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    • I didn’t get that vibe at all. I did get one of skepticism, which I certainly agree with.

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    • Cosmic Dawg

      When do the highlights begin?

      He does throw a really good jump ball…

      Just kidding – I wish him the best.

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    • AusDawg85

      Obviously selective highlights, but what stands out are:
      1) Kid is big and has been under fire more than Ramsey (just look at those FSU highlights)
      2) He’s not afraid to throw the ball deep and to a spot for his receiver to make a play….I wonder if THAT was the real issue. For a mediocre team, to make something happen, the QB has got to “force” the action. If his receivers didn’t always make the right move, get separation, etc. then the blame for the inconsistency falls on the QB even though that’s not the full story. He wasn’t asked to be Mason for UVA…he had to move that offense on his own. Reminded me of Murray in his 2nd year.

      Just sayin’…kid might be a gamer the more reps he gets and having better OL and supporting cast.

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  6. Just hope Lambert has improved on his short passing. Those pic 6’s give me the heebee jeebees. Looks like he may be more of a Mettenberger than a scrambling Murray. Unlike Mett, he didn’t have a chance to dazzle us in the spring game 😉

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  7. PTC DAWG

    I never knew you worked with AB. He’s a good’un. Did a ton of closings with him back in the 90’s.

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  8. 3rdandGrantham

    As a Uva local who watched all but one of Greyson’s starts last year, I’ll just say that we all should temper our expectations and not expect wonders from him. Aaron Rodgers, he’s certainly not, and don’t expect him to be seated live among the other projected first round picks at the NFL draft next year.

    With that said, UVa is a dumpster fire with questionable at best coaching. They’ve had a ton of QB’s come and go, including Sims, who flamed out there yet looks to be in good shape to make the Arizona Cardinals roster. So basically I think the answer with all of this lies somewhere in between: Ramsey and Bauta were ok but nothing great; while Lambert has improved quite a bit with better coaching but won’t be transformed into a top shelf QB anytime soon.

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  9. 69Dawg

    Ok lets look at this through Munson’s glasses. If the coaches think that this dumpster fire UVa Qb is better than both of our home grown QB’s then the home grown guys must be terrible. Even, as the HC says the competition was close, does that mean all of our QB’s are dumpster fires waiting to happen? If that is the case we are screwed. I prefer to think that the only reason Lambert is starting is that he has the most experience under fire with live bullets and Dawg knows he had to dodge some last year. We will see.

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  10. Noonan

    Rick Neuheisel is a big Lambert fan after visiting UGA practice. So we’ve got that going for us.

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    • Sure hope Neuheisel didn’t rope Lambert into some pyramid football fantasy gambling scenario during his visit. Doesn’t seem Rick N. is bound for more college coaching so he may be looser with his gaming pool net.

      (Shoot, he ought to get in on The Fabris Pool…)

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  11. I’ve already lowered my expectations on the season.

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  12. As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle. I don’t think anyone expected Lambert to come to Athens to save the program from itself. Richt & Schottenheimer have both proven their ability to coach and develop the position. I don’t think Lambert is going to come in and be a turnover machine as he was in Charlottesville because he’s going to have an offensive line to lean on with a productive running game that should provide a LOT of 2nd and 3rd and manageable distances.

    If he comes out and plays poorly, I would imagine Richt in particular is going to have a short hook. If he comes out and plays well, his performance is going to be discounted by the opposition he played against. Either way I imagine this thing isn’t going to be settled until late in the afternoon on September 12 in Nashville.

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  13. roswelldawg

    I said this last week in this forum. The fact that Mark dilly dallied around this process has not helped us. Indecision in the coach leads to indecision in the QB. So if Schotty is unsure and Mark seems to have reflected that in his presser, wow, I have no idea where this is going to end up. This is, unfortunately, looming far larger than anyone would have wanted heading into Saturday. Geez………..here’s hoping that he looks a lot better than he did at UVA, cements his role, does crazy good and we roll. But I am not counting on it.

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    • DawgPhan

      is there a scenario where you are counting on the QB to cement his role, do crazy good and we roll? because that was never an option as far as I was concerned. The QB situation is fuzzy at best last season and this season.

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    • Puffdawg

      That way, if he fails you can say “I said this last week in this forum.” and if he succeeds, you can cheer him on and say “Go Dawgs!”

      It’s a win win for you with out question!

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    • 3rdandGrantham

      Thanks, sunshine pumper. You must be a total stud in your personal life, in which nobody would ever dare to question you or anything you did.

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  14. I can’t wait till Saturday!!!!

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  15. AthensHomerDawg

    THE SPURRIER EFFECT
    What’s missing in all the qb dialog is the fact that our new OC specifically left his first colllege choice to enroll at Florida to be coached by the OBC. Specifically to be coached by the” best coach ” so he could learn coaching from the master. Spurrier has played more head games with qbs than any other coach in the SEC. Acorn didn’t fall too far from the tree? Plug and play? Who’s hot who’s not? Who wants it the most? Did he play 3 qbs against Georgia in his 1996 loss? He pulled Wufferal in a game and put Schott in where he promptly threw a TD pass only to find himself back on the bench watching Danny. I think our new OC threw 2 TDS his entire college career. Just a thought.
    Or
    The Krayon Kid saw
    the writing on the wall per qb depth and booked? We had 3 qbs in the stable. Now we’re down to 2 plus a tranfer. IDK.
    Lol

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  16. Lrgk9

    I just get the feeling we are choosing the lesser of inconsistencies.

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  17. Jack Klompus

    Here’s hoping that Lambert isn’t a #1 Practice QB. My guess is that he won the starting job back after the UCLA debacle by his performance Sunday-Friday and not on Saturday.

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  18. Sanford222view

    I haven’t read all the comments on this post so it may be mentioned above but today on the “Full Ride” on XM College Sports CH84 Rick Neuheisel said, “Don’t be surprised if he wins SEC Player of the Year” referring to Lambert after watching this summer in Athens. He said Lambert has the big arm to go down field like we want to do and is also very accurate. Coming from a talented offensive mind I put some stock in his opinion and if he is only 50%-75% right I believe the Dogs are in store for good things offensively.

    Now, I have a bias against Neuheisel since he began the deterioration of my alma mater with poor line recruiting and the softening of the Colorado Buffloes in the mid-nineties. However, he was a very good offensive coordinator prior to that. He just wasn’t cut out to be a head coach which I think Washington and UCLA fans would agree. I mention all that to say it isn’t very often that I communicate positive thoughts as it relates to “Slick Rick” but maybe Lambert will be the answer and a productive one at that.

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  19. Jose

    What if Bauta or Ramsey were playing QB at UVA last year?

    The only way Ramsey could have won it is by vote. He is just not ready. He just doesn’t have what it takes in between his ears.

    I see a bunch of grown men crying over this.

    Not sure who is #2 in QB pecking order. It looks like Bauta.

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  20. mikebozo

    Lambert is Schotty’s guy. Richt signed off on it. Ramsey’s leadership was in question is my take reading between the lines of all the coach speak over the last 2 weeks anyhow. Bauta had no chance as he does not fit the O.

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    • Cojones

      Schotty has some new plays that will involve finesse and involves the TEs more. Lambert picked up the newness added as a total QB picture while Ramsey didn’t seem to catch on as well to the new stuff. Doesn’t mean that Ramsey doen’t have the tools, it’s just that he hasn’t completed his sets like Lambert and there may be fear that he would fuck it up if put into the fire now. We will go with the safe bet now and wait for Ramsey to come around. That’s my guess.

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  21. JCDAWG83

    I think it’s going to be very hard to win the SEC East and pretty well impossible to win the SEC with any sort of qb questions. When a washout from a mediocre ACC school comes in and wins the starting qb job within a couple of months it doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

    I sure hope Eason lives up to his billing.

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  22. Mayor

    First of all, everybody needs to watch the film of Lambert linked in Juan’s post higher up in this thread. The guy is not a statue like was said by one of the UVa boneheads in the linked article. He has good wheels. He has a gun for an arm. If some HC can’t win college football games with that guy at QB then there is a problem–but not with the QB–with the coaching staff. I just hope that idiot London didn’t permanently screw the kid’s head up. The woods are full of stories about coaches who were too stupid to understand what they had and caused the player to fail, then a new coach comes in and the player becomes an all-star. For example, O.J. Simpson was a failure at Buffalo when Johnny Rauch was HC–he tried to get O.J. to change from his college running style. Rauch got fired and a new HC, Lou Saban, showed up. Saban (no relation to Nick) got Simpson back to his old stutter-step style of running and he became the first NFL RB to top 2000 yards in a season. What’s wrong with UVa was and is the HC. The UVa program was just fine when George Welck was the HC there. Why does it suck now? It ain’t because of Lambert. I’m predicting that Lambert is going to do just fine at Georgia, the Dawgs will win at least 10 games this season.Likely this will wake up the UVa AD and gets London canned. Poetic justice if you ask me. Just wait and see.

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  23. South FL Dawg

    It’s as if we’re conducting an experiment for Virginia football. They should thank us. As Georgia, I don’t know what to expect but worst case scenario is we’ve got a couple of other guys to fall back on. I guess this will have to do.

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  24. carpie

    My biggest concern, given his previous team colors, is that he forgets and keeps throwing footballs to guys in orange jerseys…

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  25. Hunker Down

    the greatest part about this story is all the media members having to eat crow over christening Ramsey “The Man”. Case in point Dean Legge http://t.co/mQkZw16bRt so great

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  26. mikebozo

    Ramsey moves on to somewhere else. Bobo needs a QB. Lambert is the QB for the next 2 years unless he royally screws up. Richt never was one to swap QB’S game to game or season to season unless graduation forced him to. Nope Lambert’s team this year and next to help prepare the Savior when He arrives in ’16. After all this is what it is all about the arrival of a QB who is till in HS.

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    • Mayor

      I’ll believe the “savior QB” is coming to Athens when he shows up on campus. Last minute change of heart–Southern Cal? Stanford? If you doubt this look up “Tunsil, Laremy” in Wikipedia. “Many a slip ‘tween the cup and the lip.”

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      • Cojones

        Signing the aid document helps free him up for more contact with Richt and co to use in helping recruit the players in front of him and those who will catch his passes. Why would he be busy with that if he has any idea of going elsewhere? Eason strikes me as a team man with nothing but Dawg on his mind and would accept redshirting if asked by the QB guru where he is coming to be coached. If Lambert turns out that good, then that’s just more reason a QB would sell his soul to be coached by Richt.

        If we luck into playing in the final four, why would we change QBs? It affords Eason a year to learn the O in depth and become the greatest QB ever at UGA. It would also afford another year for him to attract the greatest receivers and O-line to UGA and not have to depend so much on the RB position to get you there. Eason’s value as a magnet for UGA won’t diminish if he plays behind a great QB. His worth right now is to help build a great future team that I hope to live and see.

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