“There has not been one time today where I thought Greyson was not the right choice for starting at QB.”

Cory Brinson’s analysis of each of Lambert’s twelve throws in the ULM game is worth a look.  In particular, I found his conclusion spot on:

So, what is my take? Is Greyson absolutely perfect? No. But, like Coach Richt said, every throw had a purpose. I’d love to see him concentrate on his footwork and really get that trust with his OL. He has some habits that he has to break, but trust will build. We’ll definitely see the playbook open a little more as the season progresses, but, for now, definitely liking what we are seeing from the QB position.

There’s a season’s worth of bad coaching and bad habits Lambert has to work out of his system, and that won’t happen overnight.  Most of his mechanical problems can be worked on and improved, although I’m not sure there’s much you can do about the speed of his release, given his frame size.  It’s why he needs to play as much as he can, even if Georgia rolls out to comfortable leads against weaker opposition.

The good thing is that he’s got an awareness of what he’s supposed to be doing out there and that will only get better as he grows more familiar with the playbook.  His surrounding cast doesn’t hurt his chances, either.

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  1. Take care of the ball and put your teammates in position to make plays. If Lambert does that, we may not go unbeaten, but we also won’t give games away either.

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  2. AceDawg

    He does need playing time, but I haven’t dismissed Ramsey yet. I still want to see how he looks now that he’s had a couple months of strong competition and a tough week or two since losing the initial race to start. His approach may be less mature, and perhaps he should have done more hard work before Lambert arrived, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be the best once he’s fired up and motivated. He is still a year younger than Lambert.

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    • Cojones

      If you are promoting a two-QB system, I couldn’t agree more. If it’s substituting one player for another then we disagree.

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      • AceDawg

        So Cojones, what exactly do you mean? You are saying you support a system where both QBs get a set amount of time in the game but not one where a guy is replaced when he makes mistakes? I’m not sure if that is what you are saying, but I myself prefer to NOT have a two QB system. However, I prefer both guys playing to see who plays best in the real action because I personally don’t know which is best. I’m fine with Lambert being named the starter, but unless he plays superbly, I still think Ramsey deserves consideration.

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        • Cojones

          Why does Lambert have to play “superbly”? We don’t impose those conditions on any QB when deciding to leave them in a game. Methinks your pro Ramsey innuendos ain’t gonna fly.

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          • AceDawg

            By superbly, I don’t mean 100% completion rate with 300 yards passing and 3 touchdowns a game. That said, what I’m suggesting is that Ramsey is a quality QB, so UGA should not put all of its marbles in Lambert’s basket and ride with Lambert through thick and thin if he struggles some. UGA won’t win the SEC or a national title this year unless it gets truly strong play from the QB spot, and Lambert needs to prove that he is a play maker, not just a game manager. (Maybe he is. I just don’t know.)

            Ultimately, I’m fine with whoever wins, but like a lot of people, we will wonder out loud whether Lambert is the right choice over Ramsey if Lambert plays only average and Ramsey doesn’t get much playing time to prove himself. I don’t want to play musical chairs against Bama, so hopefully Lambert (or Ramsey) solidly establishes himself as the starter before then.

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  3. Scorpio Jones, III

    I appreciate Cory’s work. I don’t have the technical expertise to analyze Lambert’s feet or throwing motion.

    I do know, however, when the ball goes where it looked like it was supposed to go. I can tell when the quarterback drops a snap or winds up on his ass cause he did not get the protection set right, or the tackle just gets beat.

    And I can, based on an admittedly small sample, tell when a kid has that intangible something that makes him look like he’s doing a good job distributing the football to the right people at the right time.

    If there is truth in the old saw about improvement from the first game to the second, most of the technical stuff will get straightened out.

    Hell a year or so away from those freaking weird helmets has to make Lambert smarter.

    I found a replay of the Vandy game on the Web…Stinchcomb is right, Vandy’s defense gets after yer ass.

    Sorry to say it, but Lambert will need to be better.

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  4. I missed this, did Cory say the speed of his release is slow, or is that your observation Senator? Well at least he is not windmill dunking like Tebow. 😉

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    • That’s my observation. It’s not uncommon in QBs who are Lambert’s size.

      I’m not saying his release is awful, but it’s not exactly quick, either.

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      • Scorpio Jones, III

        Don’t you think release time is directly related to pressure? Or is it just part of a qb’s DNA?

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        • Neither. You can be taught how to release more efficiently, subject to physical limitations.

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          • Scorpio Jones, III

            So its all about developing clubhead speed, or something like that, yeah, that can be learned. But is not release also related to understanding what he sees? Getting the picture? wah wah wha 🙂 So maybe as he settles in release time will naturally shorten?

            When the tallest QB you’ve seen in a Georgia uniform is not really tall, man Lambert looks like a sky-scraper out there. How tall is Tom Brady? (before they let the air out of him) 6-4…hmmm

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      • PTC DAWG

        Getting that “vibe” again…

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      • Lakatos Intolerant

        Slow, in general, or slow compared to Ramsey? Or did you observe that something about his release (i.e. arm slot) looks off?

        Is there statistical evidence that taller QBs have more issues either with their release (or motion) than shorter QBs? Is it related to arm length (which is not always exactly mathematically proportionate to height)?

        Just trying to understand the basis of your comment/observation that you are “not sure there’s much you can do about the speed of his release, given his frame size.”

        I probably couldn’t “arm chair QB” the pros and cons of each QBs release/motion if I were given side-by-side slow motion videos so I have 100% faith that who I consider to be the best QB-developing HC/OC tandem in the nation are putting the right guy out there. Ramsey may very well have superior “arm talent” but there have been enough comments about his footwork/mechanics to make me think he’s probably behind Lambert in the technique department. And from what I saw – granted, a single (downfield) throw – Ramsey has quite a wind he uses to generate all that velocity. Just my completely uneducated and uninformed 2 cents.

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        • Cojones

          Nada! to your last sentence. Your mention of the best HC/OC tandem and what they have to do with the best QB being on the field is spot on, educated and informed.

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  5. ApalachDawg

    I think that Lambert is the man unless he gets hurt. I think Ramsey may be more talented but we don’t need a flashy QB to take us to ATL… We have three studs in the backfield…

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    • The only mediocre qb to beat Alabama (in a game that mattered to them) since Sabans first year had a defense that allowed 6 points. You think we can replicate that? I don’t. If there’s a key to beating Alabama it’s exceptional qb play. I think pat dye needs to call lambert on October 1st and ask him if he’s man enough because he’d better be. The first thing I’d like to see is the courage to throw over the top of his left toe instead of backing up while throwing.

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      • 3rdandGrantham

        Stephen Garcia wasn’t a mediocre QB?

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        • Scorpio Jones, III

          Not that day.

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          • 3rdandGrantham

            But he still was overall a mediocre QB. He already set one parameter by excluding teams/games that Bama wasn’t interested in (apparently he was able to crawl into their collective heads beforehand, notice the apathy, and as a result made several 100k’s betting against them). Now you’re telling me that yet another parameter is mediocre QB’s who played lights on that day….those games too now are excluded.

            I say we keep going with this until we get to the point where Bama is undefeated since that devastating ULM loss back in ’07.

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        • Sides

          He didn’t always make the best decisions (in life or football) but that day he knew to throw it to Alshon.

          Georgia is going to beat a lot of teams by just running the ball. Alabama is not one of them. UGA is going to need at least above average QB play to win.

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          • 3rdandGrantham

            agree 100%. However, he said you’re going to need “exceptional QB play” in order to beat them. I disagree.

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            • Derek

              Again, Garcia played exceptional on that day. I’m not saying that Lambert can’t have it on the day that matters, but I am saying that he better have it on 10/3/15. You aren’t beating Alabama with a game manager on game day. He can be a game manager on every other day of the year, but not on 10/3/15. If he is, we lose.

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              • 3rdandGrantham

                See below…there have been quite a few games where so-called game managers have managed to beat Bama without exceptional QB play.

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                • AceDawg

                  Bama has not lost “quite a few games” during the Saban era to any kind of QB. For UGA to win, I am with those who think we’ll need strong QB play. Not perfect, but definitely a play maker that can stretch the field on occasion that game. UGA’s running game is good enough to challenge even Bama’s front seven, but not without a QB that keeps them honest. And in truth, the best way for most teams to beat Bama right now is to beat them with a passing game. Our goal may still be to run, but we’ll need a good enough passing game that they need to worry and stay honest.

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          • PTC DAWG

            We have had above average QB played covered for quite a while.

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        • Will (The Other One)

          See also: Trevor Knight (who isn’t even starting at OU anymore despite having eligibility left).

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      • Biggus Rickus

        LSU and South Carolina in 2010. The one you referenced in 2011. Oklahoma in 2013. Ole Miss in 2014.

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        • 3rdandGrantham

          Heck, even Cordelle Jones last year, who, IMO, is anything but an exceptional QB.

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          • Denver94

            Thank you. Finally, someone points that out. Fun guy, big fella, ok QB.

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            • AceDawg

              You can call him ok, but that is inaccurate in terms of this argument. The fact of the matter is that his physical running and deep throws were very difficult for Bama. They were hurt by him regularly and unable to stop him when they needed to, which to me means he was a strong QB performer against Bama.

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        • Derek

          Oklahoma doesn’t count and neither does Utah. Those guys could have cared less about those Sugar Bowls and played like it.

          Rather than being universal, lets put it this way: you can play exceptional defense or have a great day out of your qb. We are great on D against a passing team and a finesse spread team. A power team? Makes me nervous thinking we can keep a team like that under 30. Not sure we can without some turnovers.

          So I’m having a hard time believing that we can do either right now. My hope has been that we’d can win a track meet. I don’t think we can win a slugfest. If we have a game manager in that game, I just don’t see a path to victory.

          Go back over the SECCG vs. Alabama in your minds. If they show up with a similar game plan, how do we respond? Murray was throwing dimes while getting the shit kicked out him and Bama ran the ball at will. Are we that much better at stopping the run now? Are we better (or even close) to as good at QB?

          We had a fake work and a blocked punt and a red zone TO to stay in that thing. We got great play out of Murray. And we lost. Why will 2015 be different? My fear is that it will be worse because our QB play is not as good. And don’t say Chubb because Gurley was beast that night in Atlanta. And we lost.

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          • RocketDawg

            I get your points but I don’t think Alabama is nearly as good as they were in 2012.

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          • Sides

            For what it is worth, I think you are exactly right. Chubb is great but you are not going to beat Alabama at their own game.

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          • 3rdandGrantham

            I can’t speak for Utah, but I can promise you that the Bama players were jacked up for the OU game, as a friend of mine works closely with the program relayed tidbits of info to me. One of the many motivations Saban used included remarks from Stoops that the SEC was overrated…things like that, and there was some pregame trash talking taking place as well from OU that didn’t exactly go over well. However, in the end, Bama simply couldn’t keep up with the HUNH offense, which led to all the off-season changes Saban made this past year.

            To flippantly say Bama didn’t care because they lost a game is absurd, especially when doing it in context of trying to make an argument on a message board.

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            • Motivation before kickoff maybe. They were disappointed to be there. Hard to focus on game prep when you think you should be playing for it all. Games aren’t won or lost because of pep talks.

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              • 3rdandGrantham

                Game prep was not a problem. Period. Neither was motivation, not wanting to be there (sic), or anything else. Bama simply couldn’t stop the spread HUNH, as their D was far too big. Everyone connected to the program realized this and admitted as such afterwards (hence the vast changes in the offseason, such as all DB’s now must be sub 200 lbs.) Only delusional Bama fans clung to the notion that the team didn’t want to be there, hence the loss.

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          • PTC DAWG

            We are doomed..I get it. We all get it. Give it a rest.

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          • PTC DAWG

            We had the 2nd best team in the Country that year, it happens. Who says Bama is showing back up in Atlanta again? Who says UGA is? Why not cross this bridge if we come upon it.

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            • Derek

              You do know we play them on October 3rd right?

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              • PTC DAWG

                No shit Sherlock…but according to you we are doomed…unless the game means nothing to Bama, which I am sure will be the case if they lose.

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                • AusDawg85

                  If we beat Bama on Oct. 3, you can count on the following:
                  – Finebaum will beat the wardrum for Bama fans that this game meant nothing…their focus is on the “tougher” West SEC schedule.
                  – Richt won’t get credit for a meaningful win…by a certain segment of UGA fans
                  – We’ll be dawgraded in the polls

                  And our faceplant risk factor will go up by 700%…sighhhhhh.

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          • AceDawg

            Gurley was a beast that night and probably handled that game better than Chubb would have as a freshman. Nonetheless, Chubb is a sophomore and has an even better offensive line. Plus, while Keith Marshall was an afterthought in that game, both he and Michel can spell Chubb any time with fresh speed that kills in 2015. Michel and Marshall can’t break tackles quite like Chubb, but they are pretty strong in their own right. If Lambert or Ramsey offer good QB play, our running game can indeed succeed even against Bama. They are likely to be the tired side in the fourth quarter like UGA’s D-Line was in 2012.

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  6. 3rdandGrantham

    That article made me feel much better about Lambert. Not that I was down on him before or anything, mind you, but I guess I have all his other previous starts at UVA still ingrained in my head.

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    • Biggus Rickus

      I’m not down on him, but I didn’t see anything Saturday that excited me about him. He played fine against a bad team. He’ll get a little more of a test this week.

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      • Cojones

        Were we this doubting of Murray and others who preyed on OOC’S for warmup every year? Until he doesn’t meet that test, he should have our support and admiration as our team’s QB.

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        • Biggus Rickus

          I wasn’t over the moon for Cox, Tereshinski, Mason, or Stafford as a freshman either. Am I supposed to pretend everyone who plays for Georgia is super awesome?

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  7. 69Dawg

    At the risk of being redundant Ramsey has a strong arm which can sometimes mean he gets the ball to the wrong colored jersey faster than most. There is a reason that two seasoned QB coaches picked Lambert. Sorry for all you armchair QB coaches out there that can’t convince them otherwise. This includes you Senator, Virginia sucked last year Peyton Manning would have looked bad behind that line.

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    • So the only reason quarterbacks throw interceptions is because of bad offensive lines?

      And thanks for letting me know about UVa. I guess I missed that.

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      • Cojones

        It’s a big reason, Senator. Trying to make a play (vs throwing it away) with 300- 600lbs in your face certainly affects interception rate. Murray did it w/o having anyone in his face, but we didn’t sit back and count those instances, did we?

        Everyone should get used to the fact that we have a good So Ga guy QBing our team and if you ain’t for him, you are agin’ him – and the team he is leading. If you are for the Red and Black, then you are for the players , each and every one and we don’t try to nit-pick them out of playin. If you don’t like the coaches decisions, then take it up with them or start a Fire Richt!, Fire Bo…uuuh…whoever the new guy is. I swanny, sometimes we really get into stupid conversations and memes here.

        I’m proposing a new meme, one of support and we call it Fur Richt ! and Fur Schotty! …..oh, hell no…that will bring Peta in on our ass.

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        • Two words for your “big reason”: Joe Cox.

          Some quarterbacks throw picks because that’s what they do, line or no line.

          Again, I’m guessing I watched a whole lot more of Lambert last year than you guys did. Not that any of that’s gonna stop you from letting me know about your expertise.

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          • 69Dawg

            Not questioning your expertise versus mine just yours versus Richt and Schotty’s. Bit Dawgs do bit don’t they.

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            • 69Dawg

              Damn Bite.

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            • Even Richt acknowledges that Lambert’s game is a work in progress.

              I’m not sure why you guys are upset with me. I’m not saying Lambert sucks. All I’ve said is that, based on what I saw last year, he’s a project. He did well in his first start and certainly deserves a second one. Why not wait and see how he continues to improve?

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              • Irwin R. Fletcher

                I’ll have to admit that while I didn’t watch any UVA games last year, I got nervous when I saw the screen plays based on the ‘highlights’ you can find showing his picks from 2014. Some were pressure related, some were bad routes (I saw one where a receiver just stopped running)…but woo boy, some were terrible decisions.

                He’s going to throw a pick at some point. The thing that worries me is that he’ll do it in the box and gift a TD for someone else rather than 15-30 yards downfield. I hope that the Vandy game isn’t close. But at the same time, there is a little bit of me that hopes they get a little pressure so that Lambert can see some of that live prior to Carolina.

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              • Lakatos Intolerant

                No one is doubting the fact that you’ve seen more of Lambert than anyone else here (at least those who comment). But have you really taken the time to break down the film? Analyze his technique, what went wrong on each INT, etc? Basically what Cory Brinson did but for every throw he made at UVA…because that’s what a coach who helped produce Greene, Shock, Staff and Murray did (with JTIII, Cox and Mason being serviceable)…and what a 10+ year NFL OC/QB coach did. There was clearly something on film that they really liked and I think it’s safe to say in retrospect it wasn’t just his measurables. It’s easy to look at a team’s record, an individual’s stat line and recall what I’m sure were many bone-headed decisions…and conclude that he’s a project rather than a product of his old environment and coaching. I mean, isn’t just about every college QB – Jacob Eason included – a project, just with different floors/ceilings and a different time continuum re: how long it will take for the project to be “complete”?

                I’m not one of those “Lambert was my guy all along” and I’ll be back to remind you if/when things go well…we already have enough of the “I told you so” crowd here as is. But – unless you’ve done the work I’ve laid out above like MR/BS have – I really struggle with asserting that his shortcomings at UVA are cause for concern in his current situation. As someone put it a few days back….shits I give about his time at UVA = zero.

                The reaction here after Lambert’s first INT should be epic. Get yo popcorn ready.

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                • Tell you what – go find a replay of the UCLA-UVA game and tell me what went wrong. It’s not that hard to pick up.

                  Here’s the reality: Lambert had a mediocre 2014 season and lost his starting job. Georgia took a chance on him and the coaches have been working carefully to rebuild his game. But it’s been less than two months on that. Even Richt describes his starting status as a game by game thing. There’s no shame in that; he’s being prudent.

                  I don’t understand why so many of you are worked up about what I saw from him last year. You can say it doesn’t matter if that makes you feel better, but it’s where his current coaches had to start. But that’s all it is – a start. It matters to me, but where he finishes matters a helluva lot more.

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                • dudemankind

                  It is tough being a skeptic, even on your own blog. 😉

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                • AceDawg

                  I find your analysis fine, Senator. I think it is fair to also recognize that some players change enormously from one coach to the next, one team to the next. New system, new techniques, new talent around you. Maturity too. Matt Stafford SUCKED his freshman year but got better pretty quickly. Jason Campbell at Auburn and Carson Palmer at USC also had big turnarounds with new coaches. There are lots of those stories out there. Hell, Brett Favre was considered a lost cause by Jerry Glanville in Atlanta, so he went on over to Green Bay and did himself a few things.

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          • Cojones

            Weak sauce, Senator.

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          • Sides

            Senator, I trust you. You won’t be proven right this weekend but there is a playmakin’ defense coming to town in 2 weeks…

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            • dudemankind

              USCe defense did look better, but I don’t know if I would call them playmakin’ yet. Two of those UNC interceptions were boneheaded throws to the same guy, in the same spot, and you were getting gashed at the games end by a RB who couldn’t carry Chubb’s jock. Just sayin….

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  8. AusDawg85

    Pretty clear we should have abandoned last year and played Ramsey. Path to CFB would be so easy now. Even a 13 year old gets this.

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  9. So, I know I’ve been difficult on the whole QB/offense thing but for anyone who has felt at all like I have, I seriously suggest you go on the Georgia Live app and watch Coach Richt’s presser for vandy game week. It’s 20-30 minutes long but seriously with the time. No matter if we win or lose, no matter what questions or concerns I have…the man always has a way of putting things into proper perspective and it nearly always makes perfect sense.

    His thoughts on the passing game, the offensive direction going forward, and the tough games ahead are exactly what I wanted to hear. He knows that the running game will carry us most of the season but that we’re gonna have to lean on the passing game at critical points, and they’re gonna have to come through, if we’re gonna do something special this season. I also like his thoughts and reminders about recent trips to Vandy.

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  10. shane#1

    IMO, a quick release is something one is born with, either you got it or you don’t. Like bat speed or club head speed. Look at Bubba Watson’s drives, he does everything wrong and still knocks the ball a mile. BTW, Jacob Eason has an extremely quick release and he is 6′ 5″, maybe 6’6″. I like the way Lambert takes care of the ball, he is not too proud to throw it to the cheerleaders rather than try to force a play.

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  11. Scorpio Jones, III

    Im just a dumb old Georgia fan, I don’t know from arm speed or measurables or any a that shit. All I know is we won Saturday. Anything else is like talking about sex.

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  12. DawgByte

    The difference between Will Grier and Greyson Lambert is about 3″ and a whole lot of body stiffness on the later player. Coach Schotty and Richt are trying to make Lambert a play action QB, which I don’t believe he’s entirely suitable. There was a reason why Virginia observers called Lambert “Statuesque”. When you have a non-mobile QB like that you’re better off putting him in the shotgun the majority of time. His slow 5 step drop is going to get him crushed against a stout Defensive Line with good DE rushers.

    It pains me to see this, but it appears Florida is back. They now have two serviceable QB’s, solid WR’s and a very tough defense. The East in 2015 just got a whole lot more competitive this year.

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