Those of you who were asking me yesterday about Greyson Lambert’s release should watch this clip from Chip Towers and Seth Emerson previewing the Vanderbilt game. During part of their conversation, you can see film of Georgia’s three quarterbacks throwing in practice. Compare Lambert’s motion with Ramsey’s motion and you’ll get an idea of what I was referring to. Lambert’s kind of lanky and it takes just a little longer for him to get his throw off as a result.
It’s not a bad release. (Remember the hitch Mettenberger had in his throwing motion when he came to Georgia? That was a bad release.) It’s not the most efficient, either. Yes, we’re talking split seconds here. But when you aren’t the most mobile quarterback in the world, sometimes those split seconds are a big deal.
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IMHO, if Ramsey does what Schotty and Richt want, he will be the starter by the Bama game.
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I wouldn’t want his first start to be the Bama game.
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Gotta agree with that, not an ideal situation for a first start.
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It would be a hell of a first start, but if he can out throw the Bama coverage, then he might be the best option.
Maybe, Lambert holds onto the position. We will all know over the next few weeks.
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So, you’re saying Richt is lying when he says Lambert will be the guy as long as he plays well?
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Playing well is relative. If Ramsey plays better, then does that mean Lambert isn’t playing well?
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I’ll bite on the second question…if Ramsey is playing substantial minutes, it means that Lambert isn’t playing well.
IMO-Ramsey isn’t overtaking him based on practice. This is so similar to 2001…folks couldn’t grasp why Greene was the QB and were just waiting for Shock to overtake him….howls only became louder after the early loss to Carolina. Then Tennessee happened and the rest was history. Not saying that Ramsey is Greene…but I assume the whole point of getting a starter chosen is to hopefully have him ready for that stretch against Bama, U10, and Mizzou. If UGA is putting in a new starter for the Bama game…or having to think about starting someone else for U10 or Mizzou..it’s going to be a disappointing season.
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I agree. It’s Lambert’s job to lose, and if he does, that’s not gonna be a good thing.
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That change WAS going to happen, but DJ got injured
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Yep
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As someone who was chanting “D-J-Shock-Ley” as I walked out of Sanford after the loss to South Carolina…that’s not how I remember it. They weren’t going to burn the redshirt unless it was his job…thus no snaps in the Arky State game in mop up duty. After the 9 point showing against Carolina, I remember thinking they may get him ready for the Houston game…then Sept 11 happened, Houston got postponed, and conference play started with Greene playing well against Arky and Tennessee…never looked back from there.
Remind me of the injury issue…because I sure don’t remember it. I certainly don’t think it made a difference after the Tennessee game.
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DJ had a foot injury at some point that kept him out of some game plans too. IF I remember correctly.
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That was 2002. In 2001 there was no chance Shockley would play. I think he might have beaten out Greene in 2002 if he hadn’t injured his foot against South Carolina.
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http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2001/08/29/col_321975.shtml#.VfGkERFViko
Funny how some of the quotes sound the same.
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If he hasn’t done what the coaches want by now, he probably isn’t going to.
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this. everyone can see ramsey’s arm talent. unfortunately, i think that’s about the extent of his qb’ing skills.
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Yes. Jeff George could throw it to china but he was a head case.
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That is exactly who I think of when someone says: “But he has a great arm”. A littlle more to it than that.
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There wasn’t any need to bring Jeff George into this.
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I agree Noon my thinking has after 3 years a stud should be ready to get it.
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Ramsey did not prove himself very well last year, and his interviews sort of showed him as a guy that wasn’t “all-in” on preparation. I think that has had a residual affect on his chance to win the job. Still, he has worked hard, and I have suspicions that Ramsey is being tested with coaches hoping that he responds well to the current situation and sharpens his focus and preparation each week so that they are comfortable with him being a leader at the quarterback position. However, Lambert has a good arm as well, and maybe he really is good enough to remain the starter and do big things for the Dawgs. I don’t think Lambert is just a stopgap QB holding the fort until Ramsey proves a certain thing. It’s just that if Lambert proves himself to still be mistake prone or struggles at a certain point, Ramsey is going to be enticing on account of his better arm and mobility. Let’s just hope the best man wins and that coaches handle the situation in a way that maximizes the team’s success overall.
After a year of Mason, I personally am willing to have a guy that slings it a bit more, even if that includes more turnovers. Not Everett Golson level turnovers, but certainly Murray or Stafford level.
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QLD..that seems very reasonable to me..but “if” is a big two letter word. If Ramsey come in and throws a couple of pics or has mental lapses, at least we know Lambert is a better than serviceable option. If it’s true that Ramsey only truely shines in games (vs practice, meetings, etc.), how do we find out? And what if the same is true about Fauta? I’m really anxious to see all three of them for enough reps/series to be able to even form an opinion. We’ve seen so little of them that we’re all grasping at straws, hearsay and maybe prejudices over which guy we would like to see in there.
It may come down to us having to rely on the coaches to make the right choice..can you imagine? 🙂
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But, but, but…these coaches of whom you speak, they have made their decision and some of us are not happy with it…what you speak of is commonisim.
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People keep saying Ramsey shines in games, well the Belk Bowl was a game and he was mediocre at best. I appreciate the fact that we won the game but his first pass was an Int. He’s a gunslinger and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose just look at Matt Stafford.
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Sorry, it is simply not worth these two faces made for radio spouting everything you already know. I’ll take your word for it.
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Oh…for an Anti-Pawl moment on the SEC Network, catch David Greene interviewing Spurrier on SEC Film Room…good stuff. What was Greene’s release like?
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/16/qbs-in-focus-time-to-throw/
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In my mind, Ramsey could go down as one of the biggest mysteries to ever wear red and black. As far s abilities it’s not close.
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Ramsey hasn’t shown any ability to play QB in the SEC. The only extended time we saw was in the Belk bowl and he looked atrocious.
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He had a sty in his eye and was coming off the bench to run a game plan made for Hutson Mason with the TE coach calling the plays and no QB coach. Not exactly an ideal situation.
It’s now 9 months later and he has gone through spring, summer, and fall with an NFL QB coach and a renewed motivation to work hard (competing for the starting job). We don’t really know what he would look like in a game, but the Belk Bowl isn’t a great place to look at this point. Mason’s performance against Tech after Murray’s injury certainly didn’t seem to tell us much about how he would perform in 2014.
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Would that we had the same attitude about our starting QB, Lambert.
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Neither has Lambert and Ramsey has the much better arm. So it looks like it comes down to who is safest but safe only got us so far last year. Here’s to having a much improved defense this season if we’re going the safe route.
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Much ado about nothing. Lambert, with both Ramsey and Bauta on the sidelines ready to go, is probably no worse and maybe even an ever so slight uptick over Mason last year. We can and will score points.
UGA’s season is entirely dependent on the Defense. I got plenty of worries there…no time to stress over the QB play. Visions of SEC running backs busting up the middle and freshman DB’s getting burned is the greater concern. Our stellar LB corps is going to have to make the difference…can they?
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You are right on point, Aus.
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Correct. If the defense had been able to contain a miserable Florida offense last year, we would have played in Atlanta. If they could have stopped the dive play against Tech, we would have been in the playoff picture.
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That inability to punch it in from 1st and G at the 3 and/or to hit a 25 yard FG against South Carolina had nothing to do with it, right?
If you don’t have good to great play in all facets, you’ve got no chance at a championship. The margin of error is too small to rely 100% on D or O.
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I’ll also add that the offense’s inability to put a drive together in the 2Q of the Florida game. They had a FG att to go up 10-0. Missed it. Then went 3 and out, 4 and out to end the half. The first three possessions of the 3rd Q…3 and out…2 plays and a fumble…3 and out…
Is that when you need the defense to step up and make a stop? Yep. But was the Florida game entirely on them? Nope.
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Offense didn’t score for 44 minutes in the UF game. It was a total team failure.
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What UF game? We didn’t play UF last year, as far as I’m concerned. 🙂
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The offense scored 7 first half points and no more until the game was out of hand. They also kept going 3 and out. To claim that it was all on the defense just isn’t true. The USC was nearly as bad and it’s no coincidence that our QB had a QBR in the 50s in each of our 3 losses.
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Of course is wasn’t all on the defense, it is never all on one unit, one player, or one coach. Football is the ultimate team game where are the pieces are interlocked. The similarities regarding the defense was the inability to stop the run that could have gotten the ball back to the offense more or, in the SC debacle, at game’s end. You can certainly make a case about the offense getting stonewalled was a key factor in the FU game, and the two fumbles at the 1 yard line in the GT was a major factor. But the defensive front getting gouged in the FU and GT games stand out more. Regardless of where you specifically want to put the blame, there are valid arguments because there were other areas that get a share of the responsibility. Team game, everyone has a role in the credit and blame of the results.
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I agree that neither our offense, nor our defense played well against Florida. But those failures aren’t equivalent.
Florida’s defense was pretty good last year. Their offense … wasn’t.
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The offense scored 35 in the Carolina game – totally different team that day.
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I agree with you about Lambert. From what the coaches have said and the little we’ve seen of him, he seems to have a good grasp on game management as Mason did. He also has a much better arm than Mason which will allow us to stretch the field in a way we couldn’t last year. Example: There is now way Mason makes that TD throw to Mitchell last week.
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I don’t see Lambert giving up the job unless he struggles in a game. It isn’t Richt’s track record to change QBs after a week of practice. Further David Greene had a slow release and wasn’t the most mobile. In college it is more about reads and ball placement.
I still like the argument for Bauta, he puts in the prep work and a read option could be very dangerous especially given the focus teams will put on the RBs. However I don’t see CMR going that route especially with a pro-style OC in Schott. I would be very happily surprised if the staff moved toward what talent gave them/gives the best chance for the W rather than making talent do what they want to do.
With all that said, IMO UGA can win every game on the schedule with any of the 3 QBs barring an injury bug.
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Happy Birthday Otis…sigh.
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I hear he has itchy feet as well. With all these syndromes, we should contact Ron Courson to give him a complete physical. His ears are rumored to have a wax buildup problem so we have to look out for that doomsday scenario when he doesn’t hear the signal….oh….they read cards?….Taro cards? Hell, heard his eyes weren’t as good as the other guys as well.
BTW, I hear that Ramsey picks his nose to help get a grip on the ball and lets opponents see it before he goes under center. It makes them drop his picks. Also, they are dumbing down the game in order to get Ramsey in because he can’t compete and learn at the level Lambert does. A brain transplant is being rumored. Looking at film last week, he appeared surly and said he had lost his focus. Don’t think we want that on the field to influence other guys downward, but we can fix his personality because we have experts here who can incisively tell more about QBs than the coaches and psychology is right up their alley. Their specialty is trying to convince everyone that the coaches have the wrong QB in place and they aren’t going to stop until their ego is salved for being wrong about Lambert.
Oh! 🙂
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You act like it’s sour grapes. I think it’s just most of us can see that Ramsey is more physically gifted than Lambert and wish he was better at the other stuff because it would be good for the team. I’m not overly concerned about it. I mean, Mason was less gifted than Lambert (at least when it came to arm strength), and Georgia should have won 11 or 12 games last year. If Lambert is indeed the steady decision maker the coaches have apparently seen in practice, the team will be fine. Until they have a meltdown against someone just when we think they’re on the cusp of doing something great.
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Where – in areas other than velocity/arm talent – have you seen that Ramsey is more physically gifted? At least reference 40 times, verticals, bench press, etc before you make those type of proclamations. There are other, less measurable items that contribute to one’s physical gifts: footwork, hip flexibility, explosion/quickness, build (center of gravity/foundational), the list goes on. Are there any quotes from coaches (not media members) suggesting who the better, more physically gifted all-around athlete is?
Based on very little evidence, I agree that Ramsey has a slightly cleaner motion/release and a little more velocity at this juncture… but what else can we conclude in absolutes about overall physical gifts?
I also thought it was interesting – again, 1 short out-route rep – that we didn’t see where Lambert’s ball ended up. Ramsey was high and Bauta was low.
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Considering they’re both drop-back passers, release and arm strength are THE most important physical attributes they possess. I will say that Ramsey moves around in the pocket more smoothly based on what I’ve seen, but neither is going to do anything in the running game unless the defense ignores him.
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Sour grapes because you like Ramsey? Bullshit. You seem to have the sour grapes. You don’t have any idea how I feel about Ramsey. He is a DGD who I hope gets his chance, but Ramsey has made his chance and won with the coaches. They are both good Georgia boys.
My posts are to encourage everyone to get behind the QB that our coaches have said is the best one at this time. That takes nothing away from Ramsey (and I would defend him just as vigorously as I do the coaches’ present choice), but do you have to try to nitpick our Red and Black leader that’s on the field in order to propose that Ramsey is better? Hell no. You denigrate Ramsey’s abilities by doing so because it’s necessary to put doubts on the guy we have in order for you to have Ramsey inserted. It doesn’t work that way.
Ramsey will be given his chance all through the season and if he leads better than Greyson, then I’m sure that the coaches will insert him as the starter. It’s not necessary to nitpick all things wrong with Lambert than it is to do that toward Ramsey. I think they are both capable to take us as far as this team is worthy this year and I’ll be totally behind either one because this team doesn’t function on personalities. The proof is on-the-field play (notice I didn’t say “in the arena”) and doing a drip-by-drip denigration of the guy we are cheering to be successful for that team does nothing toward instilling confidence or changing the QB rotation. It’s just a downer towards the fans.
I will continue to defend him throughout the season and through his mistakes, but I resent that Lambert is being set up to be booed at the first hint and/or actual int. We know it will happen, but having the negatives hung on him after his good performance I view as downright disloyal to the team’s efforts (I know, the Senator didn’t sign one and neither did you).
We should be emphasizing Lambert’s first game was successful and that we want to see more; we should not be comparing warts.
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I wasn’t accusing YOU of sour grapes. Ah, whatever. You’re probably high.
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No, I wasn’t, but could I offer you a brownie?
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Well said Cojoney
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Thanks for the post Senator. From the layman’s eye, its hard to deny Ramsey’s snap at release. Lambert’s release looks about the same as Bauta’s but with perhaps more power, but I really have no idea what I am talking about.
Do you think the coaches are working on Lambert’s mechanics any?
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Not answering for Blutarsky, but if the coaches see something wrong, it would stand to reason they would be working on it, right?
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Guess that was my question, do they see something wrong?
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His footwork needs improvement, so I would think yes.
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The footwork is much more concerning than the slow release IMHO. Stafford could get away with throwing off his back foot; Lambert won’t be able to against a good defense.
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It has already been pointed out that Lambert can make his throws off his back foot. Depending on what you mean by a “good defense”, he will be no different than any other QB here or elsewhere. Where do you get this …; Lambert won’t be able to….” knowledge?
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Yes, Lambert can throw off his back foot. Every QB can. What Lambert cannot do, and few QBs can, is throw off his back foot with high velocity and accuracy. When a receiver is wide open, slow, inaccurate throws aren’t much of a problem. But good defenses don’t tend to leave receivers wide open. So good throws, which require good footwork, become more important when one is playing Alabama than when one is playing a Sunbelt team. Get it?
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You can only get away with it if you have an absolute cannon for an arm, which I don’t think he does. I said it was my opinion, I could be wrong.
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I can’t put a smiley face after my remark w/o confusing it further, but the question wasn’t meant as the rejoinder that it appears on my reread. Apologies for putting it the way it could be read. Too often we use words that don’t fully describe our intent here and I’m the worst one for doing that.
We assume the take words we have read as what we intend to say, yet the read meaning isn’t the same for everyone.
I think that Lambert can get enough velocity on the ball to make that throw off his back foot as needed to get it to the receiver in time without throwing so slow as to invite interception. I think he has proven that already. That’s not to say he doesn’t need the improvements as stated in observations by others. I like to think that my takes are validated by the action of the coaches. If something bad happens in the QB focus, motion or dynamics that will imperil the game, they will yank him in a heartbeat. That said, nothing good can come of fans tucking away negative takes by other fans and blog leaders as if it’s the gospel truth that is to be applied when watching the game and applying it to their perception of what’s going on. The lawyers on here know the “jury will disregard” meme and outcome is in full swing with those kinds of remarks. I chose to rebut them, not disregard.
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Jesus Christ, senator.
Get off Lambert’s ass. Ramsey couldn’t beat out Hutson freaking Mason. He sucks.
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This.
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The RS freshman, 2 years removed from running the Wing-T, couldn’t beat out the 5th-year senior, who ran a spread passing offense in high school, so he sucks. Let’s also ignore that Brice actually almost wrestled away the QB job mid-season last year.
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How many times has the Wing-T excuse been brought out on here in the last 2 months? Good grief.
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You are a sucky fan
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That was directed to Juan, the QB genius
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Anybody else think the ball comes out of Lambert’s hand slightly nose-down? Or maybe that’s just the angle it comes out when you’re 6’5″? Ultimately, I don’t care as long as he keeps throwing strikes.
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Flash? really? Come one AJC, level up.
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No kidding. I turned off my flash extension in Chrome earlier this week. Got tired of flash ads crashing by browser. I recommend it. All I had to do was click on the vid to enable flash for that one instance. The flash video player still sucked. No preview when scrubbing. Lame.
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From Major Dick Winter’s, of Band of Brothers fame, “Ten Rules for Leadership”. 1-Physical preparation 2-Spiritual preparation 3-Mental preparation, or knowing your job and knowing the job of everyone on your team. So the three most important rules had to do with preparation. Lambert had to work his tail off to enter UGA in July and start the first game. My UGA cap is off to him and I hope he does well.
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The last time I saw controversy at Georgia this bad was….
every season ever.
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