The advanced stats’ tale of the tape…

won’t tell you much you didn’t already know from watching the game – namely, Georgia’s run defense wasn’t bad and every thing else was putrid.

David does add one thing that’s a pretty good summary of this team’s structural flaw.

Georgia just seems to be out of sync with itself since winning the conference in 2005.  Matthew Stafford, Knowshon Moreno, and A.J. Green made the offense great, but that coincided with a great defensive decline. Then came the Aaron Murray era, which was great and had an improving defense but only had 2012 as a pinnacle year thanks to 2013’s injury plague. The defense seems to be in good hands with Jeremy Pruitt, but as he works on it the best he can—the secondary is a bit young, and it showed on Saturday—the offense suddenly is out of playmakers at quarterback and receiver. UGA has had the whole package together at once twice in the last decade, in 2007 and 2012.

That is not excuse making for Mark Richt.  Quite the contrary, it’s a mild condemnation of his roster management practices before Pruitt’s arrival.  As good as the last recruiting class appears to be and as fast as they’re shoveling true freshmen into games, you don’t fix roster problems overnight.  Especially when you have quarterback issues.

I’ve mentioned the balancing act Richt is trying to pull off this season, between getting a ton of green players game experience while still trying to win the East.  It ain’t easy, as we’re seeing.

87 Comments

Filed under Georgia Football, Stats Geek!

87 responses to “The advanced stats’ tale of the tape…

  1. Richt’s qb roster management effectively wrote this season off. If someone can explain to me how we couldn’t sign more than one qb in 2014 and 2015 despite knowing Murray would leave and Hutson had one year left, then I’m all ears. I guess Richt thought that highly of Park? He should have let Hutson transfer and recruited two or three studs in 2013 and 2014.

    I’ll speculate that Richt has a soft spot for guys like Cox and Hutson because Richt couldn’t beat out the studs at Miami. I’m getting tired of these soft spots (see, Martinez, Willie).

    Your program is in a sad way if everyone is putting their hopes in a kid that won’t even get to college until January 2016.

    Like

    • Irwin R. Fletcher

      This is all revisionist…there were many fans and media (Estes, Gentry for one) that thought Ramsey should have been starting last year. Everyone thought Park and Ramsey had the talent.

      The “Richt likes backup QBs” because he was one at Miami could be the dumbest ‘hot take’ I’ve read in the last 48 hours. Thanks for taking us even farther down the rabbit hole.

      Like

      • So you’re saying:
        1. Lots of people thought Ramsey should have started last year.
        2. Richt choosing Hutson over Ramsey couldn’t have been a bad decision and not one driven by rewarding loyalty, despite the “many fans and media” that think Richt made a bad choice.

        Look, Hutson played well. But playing him in 2014 left us nobody for 2015 and it’s hurting us. There’s at least a chance that Ramsey or Park could have developed with game experience, and certainly they would have benefited from the run game last year like Hutson did. Instead we played Hutson, then brought in a failed UVA qb, causing the talented Park to transfer, and then sat Ramsey until we’re down multiple touchdowns against Alabama, then hoped he’d play well.

        Call it revisionist all you want, but it’s crap QB management at it’s finest. And from a coach that’s supposed to be known for developing QBs.

        Like

        • Irwin R. Fletcher

          I’ll call it inaccurate and factually false. How about that?

          Any opinion based upon false reality means literally nothing. It’s the stuff of Children’s Fairy Tales.

          Like

          • It is just not debatable that playing Hutson in 2014 then not recruiting a qb in 2015 led to us gambling that Ramsey or Park would be able to run the ship (Bauta isn’t part of the equation, let’s be honest) in 2015. With one of them being a wing-t guy from high school that didn’t impress in his time in 2014, that’s a lot of gamble.

            The decision to play Hutson and not recruit anyone last year came at a considerable cost to this year. Surely Richt understood what was going on when he made the choice, and it’s why he went out to get Lambert as an “insurance policy.”

            In 2014, Alamaba lost AJ McCarron. Blake Sims had 2 years experience. Still, they went out and got Coker, and signed a 4 star out of Oklahoma to go with the two qb prospects they signed in 2013.

            Richt gambled on Brice Ramsey and Jacob Park in 2015, then saw the bet losing and got Lambert. It’s reactive shitty roster management at the most important position and I can’t figure out why he chose that path.

            Like

            • Jeff Sanchez

              How were they “gambles”? Check out their offer lists. I’m sure you scoffed at them the day they committed

              Like

              • Russ

                Exactly. Park and Ramsey were heavily recruited by all the teams we are trying to beat. For what ever reason, they haven’t panned out, so Richt brought in Lambert.

                Like

                • When you’re down to two guys and have go to go get a Lambert, your plan sucked all along.

                  Seriously, Richt said Lamber was the insurance plan. We’re starting the insurance plan. That’s not good. And it’s on Richt, who is apparently putting all his eggs in the Eason basket.

                  Seriously, if Eason doesn’t pan out, 2017 will be to Richt as 2000 was to Donnan.

                  Like

                • paul

                  Well, I posted a few of thoughts here several times over the summer. 1) I don’t watch the NFL so I don’t know anything about Shotty other than his reputation is bad. So far, he’s getting mixed reviews in college. Saturday was very, very bad. He got schooled. 2) I have a good friend who is a UVA alumnus and fan. He told me if Lambert ever saw the field in anything other than mop up duty we were likely in deep doo doo. He couldn’t foresee Lambert rising above third string. I think He’s been proven to be exactly correct. 3) I, along with most of us here, wondered if Lambert winning the job was an indication that he is very talented or an indication that our other two are not. It is clearly the latter. When your head coach made his reputation developing quarterbacks then it really makes you wonder how this situation came to be. We can talk all we want about what did or did not happen. Quarterback is Richt’s wheelhouse. Whenever you find your cupboard this bare, several somethings went seriously wrong.

                  Like

              • It’s a gamble to only have two viable qb recruits competing for the qb spot, especially when one came out of a wing-t offense. The gamble isn’t on the two of them as players, it’s on the roster management of only having two guys competing.

                Bama had 5 4-star or better guys compete for the job in 2014 and 2015.

                Did u scoff when we didn’t sign anyone out of HS at qb this year? How’s that looking now?

                Like

                • Russ

                  Faton Bauta – 3 star recruit, over a dozen offers including Bama
                  Jacob Park – 4 star recruit, nine offers including Bama, FSU and ND
                  Bryce Ramsey – 4 star recruit, six offers including Bama, FU, tOSU
                  Greyson Lambert – 3 star recruit, 10 offers including Bama, USCe, Clemson

                  Now, I know all of you are expert recruiters along with coaches, but if you can say that all of these were going to flame out, I’m going to go ahead and call BS right now. For whatever reason, the coaches that developed previous good quarterbacks have somehow haven’t developed these guys. It’s an inexact science, and this is the perfect example right here. Throw Christian Lemay (4 star, over a dozen offers from everybody who’s anybody) and you can see how it can be a crap shoot.

                  Like

                • Russ

                  Gah, I don’t do the grammar so great.

                  Like

                • Scorpio Jones, III

                  And Christian Lemay can’t even start at Jacksonville State, where he is the back up.

                  Like

                • LeMay would be a 5th year senior, and we’d be back where we started again next year. No way he was ever in the plan to be our qb this year.

                  Like

                • Bauta obviously isn’t being taken seriously and never had a chance to be a starting qb here. I suspect he’s depth and scout-team fodder for simulating mobile qbs. If any of what we’re hearing about him is true, we’d have seen him in action by now.

                  Bringing in Lambert caused Park to leave. You can’t list all these dudes up there like it happened all at once. This was always a 2 man race, and we swapped Park for Lambert. And you can say “offered by Bama” all you want, but he bombed at UVA by the time we offered him. So much more data on him than “3 stars” and a bunch of noncommittable offers.

                  Like

                • Russ

                  So, you knew they were going to suck before they sucked. Got it.

                  Look, I’m just as pissed as you are, but Richt and company have developed some pretty good QBs here, and many people felt like we had a couple of good options ready for when Murray left. People ragged on Mason (who wasn’t a problem with our offense) but maybe we should have taken it as a hint that the others weren’t ready rather than the typical “Richt is loyal to a fault” argument. Your hindsight is 20/20, but I don’t think it was cut and dried at all.

                  Like

            • adam

              If only Richt’s foresight was as clear as your hindsight, we’d be in much better shape.

              Like

              • Everyone knew from the second Huston was declared the 2014 starter we’d be in this spot.* It’s just math.

                Richt is paid to have foresight. Forsight includes managing your roster to make sure you have more than 2 viable SEC arms to compete for an open job in 2015. Instead he gambled that we’d win with Hutson and that one of the 2 qbs without experience would step up in 2015. He was wrong. Now we’re playing the insurance policy.

                *LeMay announced his transfer in Jan 2014. Even if he stayed till now and won thejob, we’d have to again start a 5th year senior.

                Like

              • Got Cowdog?

                We pay that guy 3.5 million plus for his foresight.

                Like

        • SAtowndawg

          only thing I’ll argue with is that Park is talented….saw him practice a few times prior to the AA Bowl and he was less than impressive, to put it kindly.. Bobo chose him over the Clemson QB from right up the road who should be starting for us now….what could have been is the Georgia way…

          Like

          • RocketDawg

            Watson was never coming to UGA and anyone who told you that is full of shit. Clemson runs the exact same offense that his HS ran and he was promised a chance to start as a true freshman. Not to mention that UGA doesn’t use dual threat QB’s.

            The current QB situation was caused by two highly rated players not panning out. Christian LeMay should be a 2 year senior starter this year. Instead he transferred to Jacksonville St and isn’t playing there either. I think him not playing his senior season in HS really stunted his growth as a QB. Park was brought in to compete and in my opinion had a real shot of winning the job in the fall. Instead he got impatient and transferred to a JC and will probably end up at Auburn or LSU next year (purely guessing here).

            Ramsey has all the physical tools, he just won’t get his head out of his ass long enough to put in the work to be a complete player.

            Like

            • Spence

              If the plan was again to start a 2nd year senior in LeMay then I want no part of the plan.

              Like

            • I don’t think LeMay was ever part of the plan for 2015. So you said it correct that two highly rated players didn’t pan out, but swap out Ramsey for LeMay in your analysis. My problem is not that they didn’t pan out, it’s that in reality we only had two guys competing. How that’s possible I don’t know, especially when neither has impressed that much in their time in the program.

              Like

          • Derek

            We damn sure tried to get Watson.

            Like

        • Big Al

          Let’s not forget DJ, Joey T and Cox too. You might be on to something. Even if DJ was a DGD!

          Like

    • PTC DAWG

      Lemay was supposed to be a Sr this year….

      Like

    • Cosmic Dawg

      Hutson Mason kicked ass last year and did exactly what wss required of him. Sick of people dishing on that DGD.

      Like

      • Not dishing on Hutson. He did what he needed to do and I haven’t said a bad word about him. He’s a damn fine representative of my alma mater.

        But playing Hutson over Ramsey or Park in 2014 meant we’d again be starting a green qb in 2015. And Richt didn’t recruit anyone other than Park or Ramsey to compete for the job, at least until it was clear they weren’t going to get it done (enter Lambert, exit Park). The combo of going with Hutson and not recruiting better for this year is where I take issue. You have to develop a 2-3 year starter in 2014 or have some serious chips lined up for 2015-2016 to play until Eason matures.

        Has nothing to do with Hutson as a player or person.

        Like

  2. Irwin R. Fletcher

    What’s crazy is that the QB talent issue didn’t seem to be a problem…Park and Ramsey were both pretty much universally accepted by fans and experts to be capable starters.

    I guess it’s a good thing Eason will be an early qualifier…can he start the bowl game? 🙂

    Like

    • Biggest mistake I’ve made so far this year was thinking there was a consistent, competent SEC-caliber quarterback on the roster.

      If anybody should know to take what happens at G-Day with a grain of salt, it’s me.

      Like

      • Will (The Other One)

        Prior to Saturday I was sure the Dawgs were in better shape because the QB play was better/more versatile than last season. Gotta hope Lambert can trust some WRs other than Mitchell, and that the TEs don’t disappear. Because physically, Lambert does have a stronger arm, and certainly reads defenses better than Ramsey. But he’s got to calm tf down and “gun it” to rip off Bobo from last season.

        Like

    • Not sure about that. Accepted as good recruits, sure. But Ramsey didn’t come from a pro-style offense and didn’t give Hutson a run for his money. Then he looked pretty bad in his games at qb. I don’t remember anyone saying how he looked to be a capable starter this pre-season. Certainly not true with Park.

      Like

      • Irwin R. Fletcher

        http://georgia.247sports.com/Article/Second-Year-Surge-Georgia-Bulldogs-quarterback-Brice-Ramsey-29122169

        While his experience has obviously been limited so far to practice reps, it doesn’t take many of those to figure out that Ramsey is the most physically gifted passer on Georgia’s team right now — and perhaps among the best in the SEC already.

        http://georgia.247sports.com/Article/Brice-Ramsey-makes-early-appearance-for-Georgia-Bulldogs-31754929

        UGA coach Mark Richt said the decision was made during the week to rotate quarterbacks and get Ramsey some time on the field. While Richt did not reference this, Mason had struggled the previous week against Tennessee, throwing two interceptions, while the passing numbers have not as impressive as Georgia typically enjoys.

        http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/brice-ramsey-needs-big-offseason/

        Look for Brice Ramsey and the Georgia offense to have a really good year in 2015.

        https://ugathomasbrown.wordpress.com/2014/08/18/brice-ramsey-is-looking-pretty-darn-good/

        Ok….threw the last one in as a joke…but I digress. Please go away, revisionist Internet commenter.

        Like

        • SAtowndawg

          and then there were those who two years ago knew and stated that Ramsey either couldn’t or wouldn’t pick up the offense, which remains true to this day

          Like

          • Irwin R. Fletcher

            I don’t remember anyone saying how he looked to be a capable starter this pre-season.

            Alls I did was show you that you were wrongs, ok? That’s the thing…as much as you want to try, you can’t just decide to rewrite 18 months of reporting and opinions in order to fit the opinion you now have. Funny you brought up Johnson…I’d say the same thing about Auburn. I don’t think many in and around the program thought they would have a QB problem based upon the talent he’s got. That’s the point. Not that there isn’t a QB problem, but that it truly is a surprise. Heck…I was shocked that Lambert got the nod as the starter. That should’ve been the first sign that we’ve got Nuke Laloosh backing him up.

            I’m not saying it’s a pass for Richt…I’m just saying it is a surprise.

            Like

            • You’re very condescending and should work on not doing that. I’d call you worse but I’d like to keep it civil.
              Even if the Ramsey hype was as real as you’re making it out to be, we still had an open qb battle with Ramsey and Park as the only viable competitors. That’s bad qb management, and it was a conscious choice by Richt made back in 2014. I’m done saying it (I’ll prob get banned if I make the point again), but it was a gamble and it’s not paying off. It seems like you’re defending going into this season with only two real potential SEC arms on the roster, neither of which impressed anyone along the way since they’ve been here. You’re cool with that?
              As to the hype – Richt didn’t buy the Ramsey hype when he took the job away. Richt probably didn’t believe the hype when he started Hutson or when he didn’t give Ramsey meaningful reps even after saying he was going to in 2014. Yes, there were bloggers that pumped him up, but that’s what bloggers do sometimes. Your version of history doesn’t reflect the ambivalence of the fan base towards our 2015 qb going into the season, and I think I can find posts from this blog suggesting as much.

              Like

  3. BMan

    Eason will come along and the excuse will first be, “they’re too young at QB to be serious contenders.” Then as he ages, Chubb and Michel will be gone and it will be, “Eason’s a great QB, but they are too young at other positions (RB, OL, receiver, etc.).” Lather, rinse, repeat. It’s college, so the roster turnover is a known factor, but we just don’t seem to handle it well. I’m undoubtedly generalizing and negatively projecting, but I’m a UGA fan, so that’s my jam.

    Like

    • Derek

      We’ve got some good backs coming up after Michel and Chubb are gone. Michel probably plays a fourth year too. Not sure he’d leave after three with a chance to be the guy as a senior and then a high draft pick.

      Like

  4. Thankfully with another stellar recruiting class on the way the roster management issues will straighten them self out in the next year or so. Couple that with the fact that Richt has basically given up redshirting now unless there is specific reason to do so leads me to believe that the ship is righting in that area.

    It’s unfortunate we are missing the QB play this year that we have all been spoiled with and come to expect I know Eason is coming but I’m not sure you can rest the chances of a SEC title on the shoulders of a true freshman. Seeing as we will only have Chubb and Michel one more upcomming year we will have to keep our fingers crossed and see what happens the rest of this year and the next.

    Like

  5. Steve

    Not undersigning is a good start. Glad CMR finally understood that.

    Like

  6. 3rdandGrantham

    Only carrying around 70 players on your roster over a several year period, including 65 at our nadir in 2012, certainly deserves more than just “mild condemnation.” That same year, for example, USC was still suffering from their major punishment from the NCAA, in which they were relegated to 65 thanks to the 20 scholly reduction/punishment. In other words, we purposely put ourselves under severe NCAA probation for no reason whatsoever; that’s basically how poorly run the program was during that period.

    Of course all of that is under the bridge at this point, but I’d submit that we just now are starting to recover from that gross negligent period, that to this day hasn’t been explained or had anyone truly held accountable for.

    Like

    • RocketDawg

      I have seen this bandied about as a condemnation of Richt and staff but has anyone done the research to figure out why we got to that point?

      From what I remember we were left at the alter (I was going to write left holding the bag, but in these cases it was the recruit holding a bag full of $$$) by several recruits on Signing Day and we didn’t have back up plans or we didn’t want to tie up a scholarship with a player that we really didn’t want. We also had massive attrition during those years due to failed drug tests/other legal problems and some early jumps to the NFL that I don’t think the staff were expecting.

      Not saying it is right or wrong how we got to that point but I think it is a bit disingenuous to portray it as Richt deciding not to sign the full allotment of players.

      The last two years recruiting has been a lot more aggressive in early offers and many more offers. It paid off with a very good 2015 class and I think it will do the same for the 2016 class.

      Like

      • georgiajeepn

        All of the good SEC teams have had the same attrition problems as Georgia had and they still managed to keep the roster at 85 and some have even fudged higher at times. Grayshirts. Yes they have caught up and yes they were woefully behind is why they have had to play catch up in the first place.

        Like

        • 96 Law Dawg

          I guess that I’d have to go delve into the stats on the other good SEC teams to determine their attrition rate. What I do know is that in the very large signing class in 2013, which should be the redshirt sophomores and true juniors at the heart of the team, 39% of those guys are no longer playing football in Athens and another third see little meaningful time. 2012 class also has had its share of problems. More than 25% of the class are no longer Dawgs (not including Gurley). When you look at the holes, especially in the secondary, it shows how hard it is to overcome 2012 and 2013 with the rash of transfers and dismissals. This isn’t a defense of Richt. It is a simple statement of fact that it will take a couple of years to replace the numerous holes caused by misses, transfers, and dismissals from those two classes.

          Like

      • DawgPhan

        CMR and company screwed the recruiting up pretty good during that cycle.

        UGA was way to bust and boom during that period in recruiting. 30 guys one year 19 the next. When you miss on a couple of guys in a 19 person class, that really hurts you.

        UGA has not recruited at an elite level. Not sure why we would expect elite performance on the field.

        You have to have a #1 class every 4 years if you want to win a national title. UGA doesnt have a #1 class.

        Like

        • FSU, Auburn, LSU and OSU. All teams that did not have a #1 class w/in 4 years of winning the Championship.

          Like

          • DawgPhan

            FSU #2 in 2011 #1 in ACC Title in 2013
            LSU #2 in 2004 #1 in SEC Title in 2007
            OSU #2 in 2013 #1 in B10 Title in 2014

            Auburn is the odd ball… nothing new there.

            You are right though. You dont have to be #1, but being #2 and #1 in your conference sure does seem to help.

            For your consideration.

            UGA

            2015 – 6th Nationally. 4th in SEC
            2014 – 8 and 6th in SEC
            2013 – 12th and 7th in SEC
            2012 – 8th and 3rd in SEC
            2011 – 6 / 3
            2010 – 11 / 6
            2009 – 5 / 3

            We are basically recruiting the 4th best team in the SEC. We typically finish about the 4th best team in the SEC.

            Nor surprising we recruited as the 3rd best team for 3 of 4 years and played for the SEC title twice, and lost.
            UGA has basically recruited like Auburn, but hasnt had nearly the same volatility in their success as they have. They got 2 miracle plays one year and landed Cammy Cam with $180k worth of church renovations.

            Like

            • why do we even play the games when they’re over before the season starts? why did Virgina Tech bother suiting up against OSU last year? What does Ole Miss think it’s doing trying to play against the #1 recruiting class the last 2 years? LSU in 2007… kentucky and arkansas must have been #1 classes in 05 and 06, right?

              if we dont have a number 1 class this offseason i think we should just take our ball and go home because it’s not fair 😦

              people with less talent beat the big dogs. we’ve got more than enough talent year in and year out to show up better than we did on saturday

              Like

              • DawgPhan

                Agreed, UGA has plenty of talent. We should have played better.

                But it sure does help to go and get the best class every once and a while if you want to win a championship.

                Like

        • 3rdandGrantham

          I don’t think you have to have a #1 class…but you better be in the top 7 or so yearly, with an occasional slip in which your class comes in around 10-14. UGA, meanwhile, for most if not all of those years had classes generally in the 9-14 range, or roughly 5-7th best in the SEC.

          Like

      • The problem (as I perceived it) was that Richt was terrified of the “oversigning” label. So if we had, say 23 spots open, he was only going to give out as many offers as he thought would get him close to that number, without daring to go over. Which inevitably would leave us several short when we missed on a few guys. Then we’d have the inevitable attrition that SHOULD have been considered in the first place. I kept posting here during that time that we should be oversigning by 2-3/yr, because we ALWAYS have at least that much attrition, so you would never end up having to screw a kid by asking him to take a greyshirt at the last second. I mean, this last offseason was the quietest we’ve had in years, and we still had an attrition of 4 – We had a signee not qualify, Park & Tibbs transferred out, and Seymour did whatever he did (It was 5 if you count Bing-Dukes who announced right after practice started – 6 if you count Tramel Terry). And that was in BY FAR the quietest offseason in years.

        So we’d undersign by a few, thinking we’ll just hold those scholarships to the next year, then we’d see massive attrition, and it just compounded on itself. Richt was easily signing 5-6 less players per year than he should have been.

        And NOW the biggest problem is that just because we’ve changed our philosophy, it’s not an immediate fix. I’d argue you need a solid 3 years of the new recruiting philosophy to realize the full benefit, largely due to class distribution. Yeah, we’re close to 85 now, but are heavily skewed towards a younger roster. We’re at least a year away, maybe 2, from fielding a truly deep roster as far as experience goes.

        Like

        • 3rdandGrantham

          Excellent thoughts…didn’t read this until I already posted similar thoughts below. On top of this, many recruiting experts would argue that this doesn’t just rear its ugly head in years 1-3 as you mentioned, but also further down the road as well. Why? Well as you said, we now are heavily skewed towards a young roster. 2-3 years from now we’ll have a ton of departures all at the same time, which means a rebuilding year or two.

          Heck, in, say, 2017 or ’18, we might have 20 seniors all depart at one time, which is a brutal hit for any program.

          Like

        • PTC DAWG

          This..exactly this.

          Like

      • 3rdandGrantham

        That certainly was the case Rocket, which is precisely why you always, always oversign. Most SEC coaches oversign due to these exact same reasons; we certainly aren’t the only SEC program that suffers early departures for various reasons.

        CMR, on the other hand, would only sign up to 85, because–as he told it–he was afraid what would happen if everyone qualified and nobody left. This is an absurd position to take, especially as all of your counterparts were oversigning by 7-10 or so, and thus within a few short years we were sitting in mid 60’s.

        We also hung our hat on far too many players that were 50/50 at best to sign, in which some years all of them would have to swing to UGA in order for us to come close to filling a roster. We had no backup plan as we didn’t bother recruiting others until panic set in and we started offering guys close to NSD.

        Like

    • PTC DAWG

      We need at least one more FULL class to recover…as far as someone being held accountable at this point, what do you recommend? Timeout? Detention?

      Moving on. Piss on Ut.

      Like

      • 3rdandGrantham

        Well, as I mentioned, its water under the bridge at this point. What I meant by nobody being held accountable is that, since around 2009 when our roster started shrinking till its lowest point in ’12 and beyond, at the time nobody was really talking about it all that much. It was kinda glossed over in the press, etc., and I don’t recall CMR ever being grilled on it at all.

        CMR also never publicly came out and admitted that his philosophy really screwed up the program, in which its effects are still being felt to this day. By no means am i suggesting that this issue be brought to the forefront again.

        Like

  7. Hobnail_Boot

    You’ve been awfully lenient on Pruitt and Schottenheimer.

    For a supposed DB coaching genius, our kids looked completely lost and unprepared. However, that pales in comparison to the offense.

    Hoo, boy.

    You’re facing a tenacious front 7 and your calling card as a play caller is usage of the TE. You have 4 good ones on your roster. You do not use them aggressively, or even as hot reads vs. pressure. Fail. No wonder Lambert had happy feet. And then on top of that, you pull the kid right before halftime? If he had any confidence before that stunt, it’s gone now. On top of that, your backup is put in an awful position and nobody was surprised by his play.

    I completely understand all the vitriol being thrown at Mark Richt right now, but if I’m him, I’m telling Schottenheimer not to unpack.

    Like

    • Lenient? Beg pardon?

      Coaching? Obviously, it’s hard to be satisfied with that when your team is on the receiving end of a four-touchdown loss. A lot of what went wrong on special teams has to be laid at the coaches’ feet, starting with why nobody at least screamed for a time out when they saw how the teams lined up before the fateful punt block. On defense, it wasn’t a good day for Pruitt as a secondary coach, that’s for sure. I know there’s some background talk about how Georgia still isn’t talented enough in the defensive backfield, but it’s hard to give that excuse much credence when you watch DBs out of position on so many plays.
      Schottenheimer didn’t have a good day. But I’m not sure who would have, when faced with a lack of support from the offensive line and a quarterback who had his shortcomings exposed the way Lambert did. (Again, the first play call of the day said a lot about what the coordinator wanted to do and what his quarterback couldn’t do.)

      Sorry if I didn’t rant enough to meet your standards.

      Hoo, boy, indeed.

      Like

      • Hobnail_Boot

        Regarding the first play:

        It was there, and I’ve no idea why it wasn’t revisited. I know that Mitchell relieved a lot of attention, but it seemed as though Schotty said “well, I tried”, and went into turtle mode.

        I never expect you to rant, Senator. In fact I imagine that’s why your site has such a loyal following. You being a level-headedness that is rare in sports blogging. I honestly am just surprised in general how much is being directed at Richt as opposed to his 2 main guys. I say that fully knowing and feeling the long track record, but this particular game felt like a failure at the coordinating level.

        Like

        • The play wasn’t revisited because Lambert was reluctant to throw downfield.

          Again, as I mentioned in my Observations post, Smart elected to close down the short passing game and stuff the run. The price for that was open receivers downfield. I saw Godwin open several times, including at least once when Lambert elected to run despite no pressure. Not sure how you can blame Schottenheimer for that.

          And I honestly think the decision to replace quarterbacks came from Richt.

          I’m not happy with the game Schottenheimer called, but I’m also realistic enough to concede it’s not like he had a ton of options to work with, given the limitations in run blocking and at QB.

          Pruitt, on the other hand, deserves some crap for how the DBs played.

          Like

          • UGA85

            I have been a Pruitt defender, so I just want to respond. The defense allowed Bama 24 points. Not great, but not bad, considering the absence of an offense, special teams, etc. by UGA. To me, the question I have about the defense is “Where were our all-world linebackers”? No pressure, no disruption equals curtains for our young secondary. Even saying this, I think Pruitt did a better job than CTG or many other defensive coaches would have done under the circumstances.

            Like

            • Bama quit trying to score once the game got into garbage time, so I don’t take much comfort in the “allowed 24 points” argument. Run defense was decent, but pass defense was nothing short of a hot mess. Agree with you that the lack of pass rush bears some of that responsibility, but it was disheartening to see how poor the DBs looked in coverage.

              Like

              • Will (The Other One)

                Pass d reminded me of last September. Justin Worley passed for 250+ on the secondary and didn’t even finish as UT’s QBs at season’s end. I can excuse the secondary a bit based on youth…the lack of a pass rush was far more worrisome. The front 7 isn’t green and ULM managed a few sacks on Coker.

                Like

    • I thought of mentioning the abject absence of any TE routes in this game. Of course, then I figured they were always being relied upon to block; but Blazevich might as well have been chilling out in the press box for all the downfield action he saw. I dunno, and I ain’t going back to watch this blinding 12-inch crap sammich.

      I recall some on here noting the danger of Bama’s TE Howard causing trouble in the UGa secondary, yet he didn’t even have a reception. Instead they kept going to that goofy WR Mullaney who kept beating Floyd down the middle of the field.

      Like

      • Will (The Other One)

        What made the lack of TE passes maddening to me was seeing UF, with a green OLine, carve Ole Miss up with passes to TEs (and I don’t think many Michigan fans are clamoring for Nussmier to come back.)

        Like

        • & UF did not have much at TE I thought (McGee, the listed 1st-teamer also came over from UVa!). Well, with any help from the weather Gods on 10/31 perhaps the Dawgs will have the middle passing game humming along to complement Chubb-Michel jamming it down da Gatahs snouts.

          I reserve the right for reverie.

          Like

  8. Will Trane

    Think the QB play is substandard throughout the conference this year and last. The best QB is Greir at Florida, and that is because he is coached by a solid HC and OC…he fits their system. You would think the MSU coach would have a Tebow 2 with Prescott. He is good, but he does not have enough good players around him.
    My problem with CMR has always been his roster management. No doubt he let himself get trapped in the QB issue, but he has done that with other positions. Other than Mitchell, Chubb, and Michel he has little or no SEC talent on the offense.
    The inexperienced QBs sit behind a first year starter at center. Plus he is not experienced. Not good for that position, too. How did that happen. Well, first CMR bragged he has had only 2 in like 7-8 years. Definitely not good. Ramsey comes in the bowl game. Plays well with John Lilly running the show with no Oline coach and OC…left for CSU.
    I like dual threat QBs. They even up a defense re numbers alone, but they can create more gaps and pressure on a defense. When you look at the teams winning big they all have outstanding QB play…mobile, lethal QBs. CMR had that once at FSU with Charlie Ward. What happened to CMR after that!
    Frankly he can not coach up a QB. But I think he can coach one down.
    Why put Ramsey in with just a few seconds left on the clock in first half. More so when you look at the play calls. Then he trots him back out to start the second half. Lambert starts at UT, but what if UT’s defense rights itself against Lambert. After all they pretty well contained UF until the 4th quarter when the UT offense went CMR style. Who will he bring in then. The man has created uncertainty among the QBs and the rest of the team.
    CMR is searching for a QB in a game. McElwan dropped that at UF in favor of Grier. He let the kid play it out and grow. Not CMR, plus he can not put formations or sets that are favorable to his QB roster. He is going to make them fit his offense or else, else being the results at Vandy and Bama.
    Frankly after Bobo left I would have junked my offense and gone with a spread. Had that opportunity with the kid who transferred to Auburn and beat us and Bama in same year on last second plays.
    Vandy and Bama laid the road to beat CMR…shut down the running game and Chubb, and you beat them…they have no passing game, and their Oline could be suspect, too, with the QBs.

    Like

    • Will Grier is the best QB in the conference? I’m not sure what games you’ve watched, but Kyle Allen’s been the best so far, and it’s not even close.

      Like

      • D.N. Nation

        Forget it, Jake, it’s Will Trane. I mean, read this fever dream:

        “Frankly after Bobo left I would have junked my offense and gone with a spread. Had that opportunity with the kid who transferred to Auburn and beat us and Bama in same year on last second plays.”

        1) Nick Marshall wasn’t a quarterback at Georgia.
        2) Nick Marshall wasn’t in college after Bobo left Athens.
        3) Nick Marshall didn’t beat Bama on a last-second play.

        But hey, other than that, Will’s onto something!

        Like

  9. Will Trane

    Agree Allen is good, but I’ve seen Grier who has started less than Allen. And he sits in a different offense. Think OU and UF have good offenses, at least the kind I like.
    I not sure Bama gets by LSU and A&M
    The other take away from Saturday.
    CMR transfers out better players than he transfers in…Ganus and Lambert…not even recruited.
    UF, and for a UGA alum to say this, is good, will get better, and they are aggressive on offense with a young Oline…unlike CMR’s.
    I understand the game strategy…keep it close, no mistakes, 5 no substitutes on Oline against probably the best 8-9 hands in the dirt Dline In D1 football, and wait…for Lambert to walk on water.

    Like

  10. Macallanlover

    I don’t see us “out of play makers at QB and receiver”, and I think Saturday will show that. Arkansas was able to run the ball against them and I expect our OL to step up after a terrible outing in the mud. If the run works, we will have receivers open, and we have several that can catch the ball. I have confidence that Lambert can throw a dry ball pretty danged well. I think we put up a lot of points against the Vols.

    Like

  11. shane#1

    UGA did not pass he pre game eye test, and I don’t mean the difference in size, though it was obvious. The Dawgs were rocking the team bus and laughing and shouting. In general acting like a high school team. The boys of ‘Bama looked focused and serious as they walked to the locker rooms. Then the boys in red shaking their fist in the pre game pump up showed a real lack of poise and again was “high school”. The UGA players looked and acted like Lee CO before a home coming game with Terrell. But I don’t think Coach Fab would have put up with all that crap. The Tide looked like the Patriots ready to lay down another butt whippin’, and so they did. As Bobby Knight said, “Winning championships isn’t fun, it’s all hard work. Championship aren’t fun until after you win them.” Those Alabama guys at UGA will have to install that business like attitude before UGA wins the big one.

    Like

    • Macallanlover

      I agree, thought the acting bad, childish crap was behind us. Show me on the field. We not only acted liked asses before the game but took some cheap shots during it. I know Bama instigated some of that but we have to be better than respond. PF penalties, at least the silly kind, had been in our rear view mirror for a while. It is selfish to put proving your “manhood” ahead of the team, we cannot afford to give away the real estate and it is not impressive to anyone. And acting like the old Miami/FSU/Gator games isn’t where we need to be.

      Like

  12. Obviously Lambert didn’t play well Saturday and that has thrown your season upside down, but managing QB talent isn’t a problem isolated to UGA.

    A&M, Alabama, UGA, UF, Ole Miss, AU, South Carolina, LSU, UK…all had QB races heading into the season and all of them had a fair degree of uncertainty except for Jeremy Johnson.

    As the season has progressed, all of those schools, except for maybe A&M, have had some inconsistency in how their QB has played.

    The era of McCarron, Newton, Manziel, Murray, Shaw and Mettenberger was a great one. Replacing them is not just a matter of next man up.

    Have a good one,

    BD

    Like

    • AthensHomerDawg

      You make it hard to dislike you. …in spite of the spankin’ we received. I could have never allowed myself to write that if you were ,a ‘Barner. I do retain some amount of discretion. 🙂

      Like

    • Russ

      How dare you bring rational thought and logic to our discussion! This is the internet. We demand hyperbole!

      Like

    • AusDawg85

      You’re too smart to be a Bama fan. Must be a Vandy guy in disguise.

      Like

    • Irwin R. Fletcher

      I think it’s common to have some growing pains after a 3 or 4 year starter or superstar leaves. Probably not that common it happened in so many places at the same time.

      Like

  13. Will Trane

    CMR should feel good going to Knoxville. It is reported he is 26-28 against ranked teams. Not sure if that includes Saturday.
    Plus Butch Jones at UT, McElwain at UF, Mason at Vandy, and Stoopes at UK have not beaten a ranked team.
    Coach at top of list in SEC is Saban.
    Still stand by Grier. A&M is ranked slightly higher in polls than UF this week. How a QB moves his team is more important than their numbers, and Grier for a first year starter looks good in that system. Time will tell.
    And yes DN Nation I knew Marshall was not a QB at Georgia and had moved on from Auburn after Bobo left UGA. My point was they had a dual threat QB in fold and never CMR or Bobo knew what to do with him, except Auburn and Bama. And yes, the last play was the FG return, but his pass play made it happen. You good boy, now Nation!
    Glad you guys read everything I post because I rarely read yours. Frankly I don’t give a damn what you write. We just post up for reactions and laughs!

    Like

  14. Will Trane

    Grier beat a ranked # 3 team. Not sure Allen has done that yet. Plus that # 3 team had beaten higher ranked team, Bama, at home. One reason I picked him. Plus his play in second quarter totally took Ole Miss out, like he did to UT in second half.
    Allen is good did not say other wise, but I look at how a QB moves his team in games that count, and so far, Grier has done that.
    Your opinion is Allen, good for you. I just see it different.

    Like

    • Macallanlover

      Which shows precisely why that stat is worthless. Does any one really think Ole Miss is/was the third best team in CFB? Or there are 12 teams better than Alabama? If we could have played Auburn early enough we could have had a #6 pelt on our belt for those of you who assign importance to that. Remember when our schedule had 5 or 6 ranked teams on it? Now, not so much. The whole ranking system is a mirage, and with the smoke and mirrors you cannot tell who is coming and who is going. But Notre Dame will get credit for beating a ranked GT team, we won’t get credit for that win. And Kentucky beat a ranked Mizzou team, we won’t get that chance. And LSU and MSU got to beat a ranked Auburn team. The stat is crap. But then, so are your observations on Georgia football.

      Like